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posted by mrpg on Friday May 28, @11:26AM   Printer-friendly
from the what-could-go-wrong dept.

Ohio lawmakers want to abolish vaccine requirements:

[...] Lawmakers are working on legislation to call off the lottery immediately. They're also trying to head off any plans for "vaccine passports." And last month, they introduced a sweeping antivaccination bill that would essentially demolish public health and vaccination requirements in the state—and not just requirements for COVID-19 vaccines, requirements for any vaccine.

[...] State Rep. Beth Liston (D-Dublin) blasted the bill, telling The Columbus Dispatch, "Not only would it prevent schools, businesses and communities from putting safety measures in pace related to COVID, it will impact the health of our children... This bill applies to all vaccines—polio, measles, meningitis, etc. If it becomes law we will see worsening measles outbreaks, meningitis in the dorms, and children once again suffering from polio."

[...] "At its core, this proposal would destroy our current public health framework that prevents outbreaks of potentially lethal diseases, threatens the stability of our economy as it recovers from a devastating pandemic and jeopardizes the way we live, learn, work and celebrate life," the letter said.

[...] "HB 248 would put all Ohioans at risk while increasing the cost of health care for families, individuals and businesses," spokesperson Dan Williamson said. "This proposal applies to all immunizations, including childhood vaccines. If passed, this legislation could reverse decades of immunity from life-threatening, but vaccine-preventable diseases such as measles, mumps, hepatitis, meningitis and tuberculosis."

Also: Ohio GOP lawmakers, citing 'need to protect' from vaccines, seek to expand exemptions, nix COVID passports

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  • (Score: 2) by Beryllium Sphere (r) on Friday May 28, @05:11PM

    by Beryllium Sphere (r) (5062) on Friday May 28, @05:11PM (#1139739)

    “Pacifism is objectively pro-fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side, you automatically help out that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, 'he that is not with me is against me'.”

    These lawmakers are objectively pro-disease.

  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by VLM on Friday May 28, @05:17PM (17 children)

    by VLM (445) on Friday May 28, @05:17PM (#1139740)

    The best reason to not get the vaccine, is the worst people out there are pushing it incredibly hard, harder than they've pushed anything recently, and they go absolutely insane toddler meltdown whenever anyone doesn't respect their authority.

    All you have to do it not get a shot and it results in screaming toddler meltdowns laying on floor kicking feet while namecalling.

    That's where the politics comes in, in that the temper tantrum toddlers are essentially 99% Democrat and their childish behavior will look great in the 2022 elections. Assuming we even have them.

    The other side dish is the professional lying class ranted endlessly about how destroying the economy in a lockdown would eliminate the virus. Most people were gullible and locked down and it had no effect on the course of the disease. Then they continued lying about masks, and looking at the historical data wearing masks had no effect on the course of the disease. Now the same professional lying class is screeching about the virtue of the vaccine. I would assume given past performance the vaccine will be proven useless. There's a lot of talk about what the next ineffective control step will be. Most folks seem to agree the next step is we're going to euthanize all housepets canine and feline and hell why not the reptiles too. Well, "we" as in "we leftist authoritarians" not the good people of course. Its a pity, think of every house with the misfortune of having Biden voters in it taking their dog in the back yard and shooting it for virtue signaling points and then doing a two minutes hate on all the nazis who didn't kill their dog to save the universe like they did, but its where we are as a culture.

    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday May 28, @05:56PM (3 children)

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Friday May 28, @05:56PM (#1139766) Journal

      I don't care if you don't get vaccinated. Just don't come into public spaces where other people don't want you to be.

      Employers should not mandate wearing clothing. It should be a personal choice. It only affects me. Junk can't breathe!
      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28, @06:50PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28, @06:50PM (#1139795)

        Oh, I see this works! You are free to vote for the statist left wing party, but then I get to not allow you to set foot in any property I own, and maybe I will have you thrown in jail too just because your kind is dangerous. East German logic, buddy.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 29, @12:29AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 29, @12:29AM (#1139897)

          If only there was a vaccine for the Nazpublican disease.

          Your co-opting of the holocaust is leaning a little too far into yer deplorableness. Maybe you're not a bad seed, but you sound a little like Marjorine Tyler Gadfly.

      • (Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday June 01, @05:17PM

        by VLM (445) on Tuesday June 01, @05:17PM (#1140791)

        OK Jim Crow

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Beryllium Sphere (r) on Friday May 28, @05:59PM (3 children)

      by Beryllium Sphere (r) (5062) on Friday May 28, @05:59PM (#1139768)

      >locked down and it had no effect on the course of the disease

      Australia, New Zealand, and Vietnam are final proof to the contrary.

      For pity's sake, if you think isolation and masking don't do anything, what the $@#! do you think happened to the flu season?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 29, @02:50AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 29, @02:50AM (#1139929)

        Sweden and Belorussia.

        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday May 29, @05:49AM

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Saturday May 29, @05:49AM (#1139961) Journal

          Sweden - population 10 millions. Deaths by covid 14,413
          Australia - population 25 millions. Death by covid 910

          You were sayin'?


        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 30, @09:52AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 30, @09:52AM (#1140215)

          Let's compare Sweden to its neighbors:

          Sweden deaths per 100000: 140.6
          Norway deaths per 100000: 14.7
          Finland deaths per 100000: 17.1
          Denmark deaths per 100000: 43.2

          Yep, that refusing to lock down and not mandate masks totally worked, that is why those numbers are identical! /s

    • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Friday May 28, @06:25PM (7 children)

      by tangomargarine (667) on Friday May 28, @06:25PM (#1139783)

      The best reason to not get the vaccine, is the worst people out there are pushing it incredibly hard, harder than they've pushed anything recently, and they go absolutely insane toddler meltdown whenever anyone doesn't respect their authority.

      And the best reason *to* get the vaccine, is that we're in the middle of a frickin' pandemic, and 593k people have already died from it in the U.S., and maybe we don't want that number to keep going up.

      Our politics are partisan enough already with the knee-jerk "well the other party wants to do X, so fuck 'em, I'm against X", without bringing literal death into the picture.

      If not getting vaccinated only hurt yourself, it would be another matter--Darwin Award. But it's about protecting the rest of the population...a notion many conservatives apparently can't fathom. "If it doesn't help me, why should I do it? Fuck 'em."

      This is why we can't have nice things in the U.S., because the sociopaths would rather deny themselves healthcare etc. etc. than let The Unworthies get it. Cutting off your nose to spite your face.

      "Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by slinches on Friday May 28, @07:37PM (1 child)

        by slinches (5049) on Friday May 28, @07:37PM (#1139809)

        Why are you so quick to throw away the right to self-determination when a vaccine is involved? What happened to the sanctity of a person's bodily autonomy?

        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by tangomargarine on Saturday May 29, @07:53AM

          by tangomargarine (667) on Saturday May 29, @07:53AM (#1139987)

          Widespread plague was the singular exception to my general beliefs on freedom in the U.S. even before Covid was a thing, and that hasn't changed since.

          The human brain just doesn't seem to be wired to deal with low probability of drastic consequences (i.e. death), and that goes double for when it's somebody else's.

          "Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28, @08:27PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28, @08:27PM (#1139822)

        The epidemic is over in the US. Look at the numbers. You will now reluctantly have to return to a normal, pre-apocalyptic world. Sorry.

        • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Saturday May 29, @07:56AM (1 child)

          by tangomargarine (667) on Saturday May 29, @07:56AM (#1139988)

          I still have yet to hear a reason why *not* to get the vaccine other than the knee-jerk "because the other party wants me to."

          Talk about throwing a tantrum. Pot, meet kettle?

          They've said all along that the numbers were going to go down over the summer months. With dropping restrictions, just wait and see what happens in the fall.

          "Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 29, @03:28PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 29, @03:28PM (#1140043)

            Why shouldn't we prevent fat people from buying sugary foods resulting in a dramatic social cost in their healthcare and other negative outcomes? Not only would we be helping society, but we'd even be helping them as well - making them far more likely to live a long and healthy life. In America, heart disease, largely driven by obese lifestyles, killed more people last year than COVID did.

            Why shouldn't we ban alcohol? It's involved in huge chunks of all fatal crashes, countless criminal acts, to say nothing of also similarly causing tremendous long-term health consequences on the individual user that society often suffers for.

            Why shouldn't we ban music that says mean things? It has a strong association with numerous forms of criminal and gang activity, can result in severe and negative influences on young and impressionable individuals, and really does nothing but propagate misogynistic, violent, "values."

            Why shouldn't we sterilize individuals with severe and genetic mental enfeeblement that renders them unable to meaningfully operate in society, and will undoubtedly do the same to their offspring? This can not only lead to criminal behavior affecting outsiders, but these individuals would hardly even register the implication or meaning of sterilization.


            I could offer specific reasons I believe the vaccines are a poor risk:reward offering for certain groups of individuals (and vice versa for others), but they're irrelevant. The fundamental point is liberty. COVID, like the countless flu-like illnesses to precede it, will be obsolete within a few years. The dystopia we create trying to change three years to two, however, will likely stay with us indefinitely. Let us not go down that path. Passports, as a requirement to travel, were generally not a thing until WW1. They were a "temporary war measure" that became permanent and created a far more authoritarian and insular world. The emergence of "vaccine passports" is not something people 80 years from now are going to look back as the beginning as some new era of freedom and liberty...

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28, @08:54PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28, @08:54PM (#1139835)

        VLM is an actual racist Nazi. Anti-vaxxing is the least of his stupidity.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 29, @12:32AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 29, @12:32AM (#1139898)

          Yup, I thought he had toned down the racism a bit at least but he dropped a jewish-bomb recently. Oh well, can't stop bigots from spewing hate, just call em out and move on!

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28, @10:18PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28, @10:18PM (#1139864)

      The best reason to not get the vaccine, is the worst people out there are pushing it incredibly hard...

      They're not pushing it incredibly hard, the opposition's arguments just don't hold up very well. In fact.. you just said so yourself, the best reason you can come up with to not get vaccinated is you don't like who's telling you to do it. That outranks safety concerns, freedom concerns, religious concerns, economic concerns... not exactly a position of strength!

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by PinkyGigglebrain on Friday May 28, @10:18PM (2 children)

    by PinkyGigglebrain (4458) on Friday May 28, @10:18PM (#1139863)

    "When fascism comes to America, it will be draped in the flag and carrying the cross."
    -- Sinclair Lewis

    "America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
    --Abraham Lincoln

    "Beware those who would deny you Knowledge, For in their hearts they dream themselves your Master."
    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 29, @02:41AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 29, @02:41AM (#1139923)

      Sinclair Lewis was an atheist and a card-carrying Socialist.
      Of course he was afraid of religion and democracy. He was a sworn enemy of both.

      • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 29, @08:07PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 29, @08:07PM (#1140095)

        Lawl, take your meds gramps.

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