Don't complain about lack of options. You've got to pick a few when you do multiple choice. Those are the breaks.
Feel free to suggest poll ideas if you're feeling creative. I'd strongly suggest reading the past polls first.
This whole thing is wildly inaccurate. Rounding errors, ballot stuffers, dynamic IPs, firewalls. If you're using these numbers to do anything important, you're insane.
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According to a wall clock in a region which observes Daylight Saving Time, one could conceivably obtain 25 hours of sleep in a "24-hour period". =)
That's still covered by the "more than 10 hours" option. Even if you decide to go around the world once per day and thus get a "24 hour period" that approaches infinity, it is still covered.
-- The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
According to a wall clock in a region which observes Daylight Saving Time, one could conceivably obtain 25 hours of sleep in a "24-hour period". =)
That's still covered by the "more than 10 hours" option. Even if you decide to go around the world once per day and thus get a "24 hour period" that approaches infinity, it is still covered.
Brilliant! I was debating whether or not to submit that comment... so nice to see someone take the idea and run with it! I'd never thought about that edge case -- you wouldn't happen to work in QA?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 16 2017, @03:48AM
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by Anonymous Coward
on Sunday April 16 2017, @03:48AM (#494659)
You could actually sleep on the south pole or north pole. Time zones are pretty well toast at that point.
What if you do that and you roll in your sleep? If you roll in your sleep and nobody sees you, did you change time zones?
Also, what frame of reference? How fast, and what is the gravitational field? Different parts of your body will be in slightly different frames of reference. When viewed from one frame of reference, perhaps your left side gets 8 hours of sleep but your right side gets slightly less.
An average of one value is still an average. And a say whose length approaches infinity may well be the only day in your life. Well, strictly speaking, the same can be true for a standard day, but then you are unlikely to be able to participate on this poll.
-- The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
In many fields it is important to have two data points. Once that second data point is acquired you: 1. draw a straight line through those two data points 2. jump up and down 3. yell "we now understand this phenomena completely!" 4. write a paper
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 16 2017, @08:23PM
by Anonymous Coward
on Sunday April 16 2017, @08:23PM (#494925)
That's not how I heard it. At one aircraft company, pre WWII, there were two analysts that made data plots in the flight test department. Some data was extremely hard to get, so that plotter's job was to put a family of curves through one data point (hopefully based on some theory). Other data was readily available but extremely noisy, that plotter had the job of putting a best-fit single line through all the noise.
So, if you were to describe your sleep pattern while stationed on the ISS... 12 days straight sleeping followed by 24 days awake (assuming a 40 minutes period for its orbit). Sure, you can say 8 hours, but using days sounds much more impressive.
If you fly London to NY on a Concorde you can land with the local time being before your departure time. Because you fly faster than the earth's rotation. If you were to do this at the right time of day, you could see two sunrises in the same day.
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Ha! I knew there was a conspiracy hiding the truth about Concorde being shut down! Mankind's first affordable time machine, allowing for two sunrises the same day cannot be allowed for the masses!
Most of us have a "day on" and "day off" mode (or in my case "drunk and not drunk") whether or not they work 9-5 5 consecutive days a week. Some like to sleep more on their days off, some less.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 17 2017, @05:07AM
by Anonymous Coward
on Monday April 17 2017, @05:07AM (#495120)
Unfortunately I suffer from real bad sleep voting.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 17 2017, @09:47AM
by Anonymous Coward
on Monday April 17 2017, @09:47AM (#495190)
Had to answer this as I've been somewhat ill of late, In full health the average would be between 3 and 4 hours per 24 hours, as it has been for the last 30 years or so.
I'm glad they say average, as when insomnia hits me, as it does occasionally, I can be awake for days, usually 2-3 days at a stretch but the longest bout so far was nine days...that skews things a bit.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by ilsa on Wednesday April 19 2017, @05:24PM
When I was in college I got by on 5 hours of sleep for months at a time (every several weeks or so I'd wake up at like 3pm one day after having slept through my alarm). While doing this, I almost never woke up remembering having dreamed. After going back above 6 hours for a few days the dreams would come back.
-- "Is that really true?"
"I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 21 2017, @10:11AM
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by Anonymous Coward
on Friday April 21 2017, @10:11AM (#497325)
The rest of the groups weren't so far behind. While the group that received eight hours of sleep saw virtually no change to their cognitive performance throughout the two-week study, after just 10 days the participants that slept six hours each night were as cognitively impaired as those suffering from a night of total sleep deprivation. And the group that got four hours? It only took them three days before they reached that same level of impairment. By 10 days in, they were as cognitively impaired as if they had gone two days with no sleep. As the days went by, these detriments didn't slow down. “If you looked at the data graphs, there’s no end in sight. That was the frightening thing,” says Walker.
By the way I strongly suspect that being woken up suddenly (by alarm clocks or other) is bad for health.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 21 2017, @10:55AM
by Anonymous Coward
on Friday April 21 2017, @10:55AM (#497342)
Consider this: after the first night of reduced sleep, researchers in Dinges’ study asked the participants in the six-hour-a-night group how well they thought they did on the day’s cognitive tests. They replied that they did well—great, even. However, when the study researchers actually compared the two performances, the tests completed after six hours of sleep were significantly worse than the ones done after eight hours of sleep.
“You don’t know you are sleep deprived when you are sleep deprived,” says Walker, “That’s why so many people fool themselves into thinking they are one of those people who can get away with six hours of sleep or less.” Walker argues that there’s no way you can effectively train yourself to need less sleep. You may get used to feeling tired all the time, he says, but that does not mean you can suppress that tiredness and perform as well on cognitive tests as you would if you received eight hours.
By the way I strongly suspect that being woken up suddenly (by alarm clocks or other) is bad for health.
This time of year the birds are my alarm clock. Sometimes I'll lay there, dozing and listening for a little while. Interesting dreams are often the result. And even though it's still early when I do get up, it feels like I've "slept in."
I don't use an alarm clock at all. Four years of newspaper delivery while in college cured me of that.
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(Score: 3, Funny) by requerdanos on Wednesday April 12 2017, @04:43PM (27 children)
Interestingly, any number of hours from 0 to 24 is accommodated by this poll. Now we really really can't complain about lack of options.
(Score: 2) by martyb on Wednesday April 12 2017, @05:56PM (14 children)
How long is it from: 2017-04-11 12:34:56 until 2017-04-12 12:34:56?
How long is it from: 2017-11-04 12:34:56 until 2017-11-05 12:34:56?
According to a wall clock in a region which observes Daylight Saving Time, one could conceivably obtain 25 hours of sleep in a "24-hour period". =)
Wit is intellect, dancing.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by maxwell demon on Wednesday April 12 2017, @06:21PM (10 children)
That's still covered by the "more than 10 hours" option. Even if you decide to go around the world once per day and thus get a "24 hour period" that approaches infinity, it is still covered.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by martyb on Wednesday April 12 2017, @06:47PM (2 children)
Brilliant! I was debating whether or not to submit that comment... so nice to see someone take the idea and run with it! I'd never thought about that edge case -- you wouldn't happen to work in QA?
Wit is intellect, dancing.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 16 2017, @03:48AM (1 child)
You could actually sleep on the south pole or north pole. Time zones are pretty well toast at that point.
What if you do that and you roll in your sleep? If you roll in your sleep and nobody sees you, did you change time zones?
Also, what frame of reference? How fast, and what is the gravitational field? Different parts of your body will be in slightly different frames of reference. When viewed from one frame of reference, perhaps your left side gets 8 hours of sleep but your right side gets slightly less.
(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Friday April 28 2017, @02:48PM
The same time-dilation problem would arise everywhere except at the equator.
(Score: 2) by Scruffy Beard 2 on Wednesday April 12 2017, @07:18PM (6 children)
The poll question was about averages. Edges cases don't really apply: unless they are repeated.
(Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Wednesday April 12 2017, @07:40PM (2 children)
An average of one value is still an average. And a say whose length approaches infinity may well be the only day in your life. Well, strictly speaking, the same can be true for a standard day, but then you are unlikely to be able to participate on this poll.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 3, Informative) by DannyB on Thursday April 13 2017, @02:30PM (1 child)
In many fields it is important to have two data points. Once that second data point is acquired you:
1. draw a straight line through those two data points
2. jump up and down
3. yell "we now understand this phenomena completely!"
4. write a paper
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 16 2017, @08:23PM
That's not how I heard it. At one aircraft company, pre WWII, there were two analysts that made data plots in the flight test department. Some data was extremely hard to get, so that plotter's job was to put a family of curves through one data point (hopefully based on some theory). Other data was readily available but extremely noisy, that plotter had the job of putting a best-fit single line through all the noise.
(Score: 1) by DECbot on Friday April 14 2017, @05:24AM (2 children)
So, if you were to describe your sleep pattern while stationed on the ISS... 12 days straight sleeping followed by 24 days awake (assuming a 40 minutes period for its orbit). Sure, you can say 8 hours, but using days sounds much more impressive.
cats~$ sudo chown -R us /home/base
(Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Friday April 14 2017, @06:27AM
I'm not sure … sleeping 12 days per 36 days means sleeping 1/3 day per day. Same as 8 hours per 24h day.
In another way it however does sound impressive: Sleeping 8*40 minutes per 36 days gives on average just 8 minutes and 32 seconds of sleep per day.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Sunday April 23 2017, @06:05AM
ISS orbit is about 92 minutes.
I love reading geeks commenting about the impossibility to find holes in the question...
(Score: 2) by VLM on Wednesday April 12 2017, @07:19PM
The word "Average" will handle that issue. Average over last two day or last 50 years or ... that's where it gets interesting.
(Score: 3, Informative) by DannyB on Thursday April 13 2017, @02:27PM (1 child)
If you fly London to NY on a Concorde you can land with the local time being before your departure time. Because you fly faster than the earth's rotation. If you were to do this at the right time of day, you could see two sunrises in the same day.
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(Score: 2) by Unixnut on Thursday April 13 2017, @05:51PM
Ha! I knew there was a conspiracy hiding the truth about Concorde being shut down! Mankind's first affordable time machine, allowing for two sunrises the same day cannot be allowed for the masses!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 13 2017, @02:01AM
Logically, yes. Syntactically, the range includes any number from -∞ to +∞, or even a transfinite number.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Stardaemon on Thursday April 13 2017, @06:17AM (2 children)
Exactly 10 seems to be missing.
(Score: 3, Touché) by martyb on Thursday April 13 2017, @02:31PM (1 child)
Fixed!
Changed "More than 10 hours" to be "10 or more hours".
Many thanks for pointing that out!
Wit is intellect, dancing.
(Score: 3, Informative) by cubancigar11 on Monday April 17 2017, @04:37PM
Hey! That's cheating!
(Score: 3, Touché) by jdavidb on Thursday April 13 2017, @12:39PM (2 children)
ⓋⒶ☮✝🕊 Secession is the right of all sentient beings
(Score: 3, Touché) by requerdanos on Thursday April 13 2017, @05:19PM (1 child)
I live on Mars
The Martian day is about 242/3 hours. Would the above choices not be appropriate for your sleep? If not, why not?
(Score: 1) by DECbot on Friday April 14 2017, @05:28AM
Well, I live on... Uh... Above the clouds on Venus in geosynchronous orbit, you insensitive clod!
cats~$ sudo chown -R us /home/base
(Score: 2) by Anne Nonymous on Thursday April 13 2017, @05:39PM (1 child)
> really really can't complain about lack of options.
You underestimate our power.
(Score: 3, Touché) by requerdanos on Thursday April 13 2017, @08:41PM
Touché.
(Score: 2) by KritonK on Sunday April 16 2017, @05:28PM
Those of us who live on Mars would tend to disagree!
(Score: 2, Funny) by Tedderouni on Monday April 17 2017, @07:37PM
https://xkcd.com/1825/ [xkcd.com]
(Score: 1) by fyngyrz on Sunday April 23 2017, @12:52AM
I'm voting from Mars, you intensive clod!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 13 2017, @01:24PM (3 children)
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 22 2017, @06:01PM (2 children)
Use the Voting Booth link.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @11:14AM (1 child)
Use the Voting Booth link.
Thank you, this indeed seems to work. However my main concern is not getting my individual selection registered but instead filing a bug report.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @05:46PM
Poll votes not getting recorded properly Bug: Non-Critical Priority: Low [github.com]
Feel free to add to the bug report.
It seems to be a caching issue since if you use a copy of the voting form from the varnish cache then the form submission will be rejected as invalid.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 13 2017, @04:28PM (3 children)
It should have age descriptors also, we all know as you get older you get the less zzzzs.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Scruffy Beard 2 on Thursday April 13 2017, @09:11PM (1 child)
seems to follow a "normal" distribution so far.
(Score: 2) by Scruffy Beard 2 on Saturday April 15 2017, @07:53AM
That got modded insightful?
I failed to notice that the intervals of the options were not uniform.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Ethanol-fueled on Thursday April 13 2017, @11:55PM
Most of us have a "day on" and "day off" mode (or in my case "drunk and not drunk") whether or not they work 9-5 5 consecutive days a week. Some like to sleep more on their days off, some less.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by mrpg on Friday April 14 2017, @07:34PM
(Score: 3, Insightful) by mrpg on Friday April 14 2017, @07:36PM (1 child)
Another question would be "are you happy with how much you sleep?"
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 14 2017, @07:51PM
Agreed. I get 6-7h on average but a good night's sleep requires 9-10h.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 17 2017, @05:07AM
Unfortunately I suffer from real bad sleep voting.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 17 2017, @09:47AM
Had to answer this as I've been somewhat ill of late, In full health the average would be between 3 and 4 hours per 24 hours, as it has been for the last 30 years or so.
I'm glad they say average, as when insomnia hits me, as it does occasionally, I can be awake for days, usually 2-3 days at a stretch but the longest bout so far was nine days...that skews things a bit.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by ilsa on Wednesday April 19 2017, @05:24PM
There's option missing, which I though would probably get almost 100% of the vote:
-Not enough
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 20 2017, @10:53AM
does my sleeping for me, come on people
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Thursday April 20 2017, @05:07PM
When I was in college I got by on 5 hours of sleep for months at a time (every several weeks or so I'd wake up at like 3pm one day after having slept through my alarm). While doing this, I almost never woke up remembering having dreamed. After going back above 6 hours for a few days the dreams would come back.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 21 2017, @10:11AM (2 children)
http://www.popsci.com/how-many-hours-sleep-do-you-actually-need [popsci.com]
The rest of the groups weren't so far behind. While the group that received eight hours of sleep saw virtually no change to their cognitive performance throughout the two-week study, after just 10 days the participants that slept six hours each night were as cognitively impaired as those suffering from a night of total sleep deprivation. And the group that got four hours? It only took them three days before they reached that same level of impairment. By 10 days in, they were as cognitively impaired as if they had gone two days with no sleep. As the days went by, these detriments didn't slow down. “If you looked at the data graphs, there’s no end in sight. That was the frightening thing,” says Walker.
By the way I strongly suspect that being woken up suddenly (by alarm clocks or other) is bad for health.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 21 2017, @10:55AM
Consider this: after the first night of reduced sleep, researchers in Dinges’ study asked the participants in the six-hour-a-night group how well they thought they did on the day’s cognitive tests. They replied that they did well—great, even. However, when the study researchers actually compared the two performances, the tests completed after six hours of sleep were significantly worse than the ones done after eight hours of sleep.
“You don’t know you are sleep deprived when you are sleep deprived,” says Walker, “That’s why so many people fool themselves into thinking they are one of those people who can get away with six hours of sleep or less.” Walker argues that there’s no way you can effectively train yourself to need less sleep. You may get used to feeling tired all the time, he says, but that does not mean you can suppress that tiredness and perform as well on cognitive tests as you would if you received eight hours.
(Score: 2) by fliptop on Friday April 21 2017, @03:54PM
This time of year the birds are my alarm clock. Sometimes I'll lay there, dozing and listening for a little while. Interesting dreams are often the result. And even though it's still early when I do get up, it feels like I've "slept in."
I don't use an alarm clock at all. Four years of newspaper delivery while in college cured me of that.
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.