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No, really, it is my main browser for important stuff and most communities - however for recreational surfing I use chromium. So it is about a 60/40 split between them.
Funnily enough, chromium crashes on me roughly every third to fifth day (every day without adblock) while otter tends to stay up for months.
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How is Otter coming along? I have not gotten around to installing Qt5 on any of my machines, so I have not been following its development. More viable than Opera 12 these days, I am sure, but any comments on how far along it is?
I've decided to assert some control again over some of the most important bits of software I use, so I took Pale Moon and hacked it to remove some questionable features (generally ones which had been inherited from Firefox).
Pretty happy with it.
I thought New Moon was a community build of Pale Moon to keep XP compatibility, or is there some name collision?
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How about fix your fucking web site.
You're using the web browser wrong.
I don't think this is a legitimate complaint for SoylentNews, but I do believe it is legitimate for other sites.
For example, GitHub and others like them. I prefer to run an older version of FireFox with all my favorite plugins installed, then one day, I went to GitHub and got a nag to upgrade and -- worst of all -- the "download repo" button didn't work. At all.
Now, I can understand more subtle functionality on more complicated structures and components being borked, but having that one simple button do fucking nothing (and other sites that try to flat-out disable all of the website) is just willful malice. Of course, this is Github we're talking about, so their staff are a bunch of fat pink-haired Jews, and Jews of course are annoying for the sake of being annoying. Fortunately, user-agent switchers are a thing.
" B-but muh Git command line! "
When doing research in real time looking for code to s̶t̶e̶a̶l̶ be inspired by, clicking the damn button in the browser is really the quickest way. I just might be pushed into the latest version of Firefox as soon as suitable substitutes for the plugins I like are available and stable -- and no, not just ad and script-blocking shit.
Even people who find penises attractive aren't going to be amused at your dripping, diseased, dangling bit of flesh. And, there's probably not enough antibiotic in the world to fix that thing. Just cover it up, and keep it secret, alright?
This laptop runs Brave too slowly to be practical but on the desktop with big honking AMD octocore power I made the switch. No more fiddling with noscript, it just works and avoids most ads and other annoyances. It still has other random issues from time to time and it is revving versions fast, but it was time to start getting the Hell away from the Firefox trainwreck we can all see coming.
Firefox is in the terminal stage of SJW Convergence where it becomes impossible to carry out the original mission of the organization. For now it still sorta works but it is all downhill from here. Start planning your migration now and avoid the rush. There are options, start exploring and find one you like.
Firefox is in the terminal stage of SJW Convergence
How about you explain your concerns rather than just throwing around unclear buzzwords?
You mean the Eich thing?
Haven't there been enough threads about the growing dissatisfaction with Firefox's current direction? Do we really need to rehash that in a poll thread? Nah.
And yes, Eich was a big red flag. Giving money to Antifa was another. SJW convergence is a real thing, it destroys organizations large and small, commercial, non-profit and even religious organizations. Learn to spot the warning signs.
I agree they probably shouldn't have thrown money at 'RiseUp' [mozilla.org], but are RiseUp really associated with antifa? It's clear they really don't like Amazon, Apple, Google, Microsoft, [riseup.net] but I'm still not quite clear what they're really after.
They describe themselves thus:
Riseup provides online communication tools for people and groups working on liberatory social change. We are a project to create democratic alternatives and practice self-determination by controlling our own secure means of communications.
Remember the three laws of SJWs:
1. SJWs Always Lie2. SJWs Always Double Down3. SJWs Always Project
You got caught by their obeying Law 1, lying. The "front group" was invented by Commies and religiously practiced by all on the Left because they understand normal sane humans consider their views abhorrent and would destroy them if they ever realized what was in their midst.
Mozilla gave $100,000 to secure email platform harnessed by Antifa groups [foxnews.com] But that is the eeviil Fox so...
A random blog [soylentnews.org] and more important, note that the anarchists themselves seem to consider it an ally. reddit /r/Anarchism thread [reddit.com] But seriously, look at their blogroll. Rogues gallery of tech anarchists. They kept the obvious openly political sites like DU and antifa.org would have been a dead giveaway so it was left off off but yea. Their two services are RiseUp Red and RiseUp Black, they aren't hiding, just throwing up a little plausible deniability.
But that is the eeviil Fox so...
Fox News is indeed untrustworthy, which is why I used a different source. There's no question they donated to RiseUp, though. My question is whether RiseUp are the villains you claim them to be.
A random blog
But seriously, look at their blogroll
Where? Link please. I'm after a definitive answer. You may even be right, but all you've done so far is re-state your opinion.
Ok, no idea what Soylent did to that second link. I just asked google "mozilla riseup" and worked the first page of hits. It wasn't hard to find a lot of clues that RiseUp is Antifa related.
I entirely realize you troll for fun but at least put some effort into it, dude.You're like an old, crusty Moldbug on tranquilizers and Alzheimer's meds.
Wait, what is Antifa? I'm looking around at all the major news and tech sites and can't seem to find any mention of them. Did they once exist and then just magically disappear overnight, like Osama bin Laden?
They're a Fox "news" and Breitbart red herring for the conservative conspiracy crowd. They're supposed to be violent left-wing extremists that they feel should be listed as a terrorist organization according to these sources. Funny that they feel that an anti-Neo-Nazi group should be listed as terrorists but, not the Neo-Nazis, who are "exercising their free speech rights."
He means crap like this [mozilla.org].
Participation is open:internationally to all women (cis and trans), trans men, and genderqueer peoplealso open in the U.S. to all Black/African American, Hispanic/Latin@, American Indian, Alaska Native, Native Hawaiian, and Pacific Islander people
Participation is open:
So in the US, it's open to everyone except white cisgendered men and ethnically oriental cisgendered men, and outside the US, it's open to all women (cis and trans), trans men, and genderqueer people.
Would it be politically incorrect to call it a 'whitelist'?
As long as you don't prefix it with the NOT operator, then it would be problematic.
I voted Chrome because that's what I use at work, and I spend much more "browser-time" at work than I do at home (or via mobile). At home I almost exclusively use Firefox. Mobile is all Safari/iOS.
OS (almost), login shell, browser, ...
Kind of surprised that this wasn't on the list (assuming that the author doesn't own any Apple products).
Nothing but Firefox. Loving the new release too...so goddamn fast. The UI changes aren't my favorite thing ever, but it's tolerable. I don't trust Microsoft/Google/Apple so most other browsers just aren't an option. Could maybe do Pale Moon, but I couldn't care less about plugins (IME they cause more problems than they solve...) and they've got a worse UI and smaller dev team...and it's just a Firefox fork anyway.
Mozilla is still the only major browser manufacturer that won't benefit from fucking up your browsing experience, so I'm pretty fully committed to that, and have been for a while :)
Firefox is the only independent major player. Their philosophy is much more along the lines of what I support than Microsoft, Google, or Apple. You can say, go Pale Moon! Which is great and I applaud their efforts, but they have their own issues as well. I've tried Pale Moon, but it never seemed to be any better than Firefox. I've tried Opera, but by the time I did; that ship had sailed. My work place's "offically supported browser" is Google Chrome. I'm guessing more to do with someone's bias and the fact that it's easier to develop for one Specific browser. Thankfully, they're not draconian in their enforcement of what exact software you may use. I work at an Academic Library, give me the tools, or let me get my own, so I can get stuff done.
My work's officially supported browser is also Chrome, and they don't give us admin rights to our laptops. So I use Firefox portable :)
The only problem is once they discovered that I have it, the people I work with started constantly borrowing my laptop for *company sites* that won't load properly on IE/Chrome...because we're a company full of software developers who don't understand stuff like PortableApps apparently...all these fuckers care about is Football...
I've tried Pale Moon, but it never seemed to be any better than Firefox
Except that its UI isn't all fucked up? Which was the entire reason to start using Pale Moon in the first place?
Well, I remember finding Pale Moon as it originally was-- an optimized build of firefox for specific processors, from when Mozilla disallowed using their trademarks for modified versions. However, Moonchild's decision to fork over the UI overhaul is why most people, myself included, use it.
Or am I being too pedantic?
Yes, that's how I voted, just wondered if that would skew the figures. It's a small sample set after all.
Well you're using an obscure browser, so 'Other' is the right way to handle it. There's no skewing here.
Luakit is my "daily driver", seamonkey my backup. I dropped Firefox years ago for being such a resource hog, but I might try again it to see if it's any faster now, are there any vi-keybind plugins for the new version yet?
Safari under OS X / macOS.
Pretty funny that wasn't in the list. :)
I assumed it was a list of working browsers.
I use Iron [srware.net] for all my regular browsing (along with SafeScript plugin.)
When I do development work, I use Vivaldi [vivaldi.com].
I use chrome only for Gmail and banking sites... nothing else.
In the last year, I only use Firefox for the very rare sites that do not work with chrome... and yes I had to use one web app that was so poorly made that only firefox and IE worked. (and I dont use windows at all.) The last major revision of firefox I used was 3.5... I was annoyed at losing things like the status bar and each revision seemed to get worse.
Because I trust our supreme overlords.
Check out SRWare Iron -- based on Chromium with the spy features removed:
(I'm not affiliated, I just remember seeing it mentioned a long time ago. I use Pale Moon.)
Come on babe, it's a surfing Safari
Slimjet [slimjet.com], which is based on Chromium with a built-in adblocker, some built-in anti-tracking options, and a better file downloader.
Granted, I have the built-in adblocker disabled and use uBlock Origin instead, but the built-in anti-tracking options and the better file downloader are nice. Plus, it doesn't call home to the Google mothership.
On the desktop, I use a combination of Vivaldi & Pale Moon.
On mobile, I use a combination of Brave & Lightning [f-droid.org].
Work or home was not specified so I went with work. I unfortunately use IE because oracle peoplesoft 9.2 has severe stability issues with chrome and firefox.
I currently use Waterfox as my main browser; I just copied my Firefox profile and I have a browser that behaves like Firefox, with all my extensions and plugins working, without having to resort to running older versions, as is the case for some extensions with Pale Moon.
I also use Vivaldi as a backup browser.