No, really, it is my main browser for important stuff and most communities - however for recreational surfing I use chromium. So it is about a 60/40 split between them.
Funnily enough, chromium crashes on me roughly every third to fifth day (every day without adblock) while otter tends to stay up for months.
How is Otter coming along? I have not gotten around to installing Qt5 on any of my machines, so I have not been following its development. More viable than Opera 12 these days, I am sure, but any comments on how far along it is?
(I really wish I could find the magical settings to get notifications when ACs reply)
Excepting that it has the annoying 100% cpu bug when hitting a CSS-looped-animation (most engines had this at some point, usually solved by throttling the framerate after giving up on making webdesigners actually test their sites in standard-conforming browsers) and that I don't use plugins I honestly havn't noticed anything jarring except for that I had to rebuild the language-files to get hotkeys working for menus and that it doesn't differentiate between forms and the rest of the page when using tab/3 (so, it is as bad as non-O12-browsers for keyboard navigation).
Since they do have an appimage (and should have resolved the ssl-issue by now) do give it a spin.
I've decided to assert some control again over some of the most important bits of software I use, so I took Pale Moon and hacked it to remove some questionable features (generally ones which had been inherited from Firefox).
Pretty happy with it.
I thought New Moon was a community build of Pale Moon to keep XP compatibility, or is there some name collision?
Pale Moon is under one of those licenses that keep the name non-free, but permits the name New Moon for forks.
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How about fix your fucking web site.
You're using the web browser wrong.
I don't think this is a legitimate complaint for SoylentNews, but I do believe it is legitimate for other sites.
For example, GitHub and others like them. I prefer to run an older version of FireFox with all my favorite plugins installed, then one day, I went to GitHub and got a nag to upgrade and -- worst of all -- the "download repo" button didn't work. At all.
Now, I can understand more subtle functionality on more complicated structures and components being borked, but having that one simple button do fucking nothing (and other sites that try to flat-out disable all of the website) is just willful malice. Of course, this is Github we're talking about, so their staff are a bunch of fat pink-haired Jews, and Jews of course are annoying for the sake of being annoying. Fortunately, user-agent switchers are a thing.
" B-but muh Git command line! "
When doing research in real time looking for code to s̶t̶e̶a̶l̶ be inspired by, clicking the damn button in the browser is really the quickest way. I just might be pushed into the latest version of Firefox as soon as suitable substitutes for the plugins I like are available and stable -- and no, not just ad and script-blocking shit.
Stupid version checks like this are what drove me to move to PaleMoon and disable sending user agent info.
Even people who find penises attractive aren't going to be amused at your dripping, diseased, dangling bit of flesh. And, there's probably not enough antibiotic in the world to fix that thing. Just cover it up, and keep it secret, alright?
This laptop runs Brave too slowly to be practical but on the desktop with big honking AMD octocore power I made the switch. No more fiddling with noscript, it just works and avoids most ads and other annoyances. It still has other random issues from time to time and it is revving versions fast, but it was time to start getting the Hell away from the Firefox trainwreck we can all see coming.
Firefox is in the terminal stage of SJW Convergence where it becomes impossible to carry out the original mission of the organization. For now it still sorta works but it is all downhill from here. Start planning your migration now and avoid the rush. There are options, start exploring and find one you like.
Firefox is in the terminal stage of SJW Convergence
How about you explain your concerns rather than just throwing around unclear buzzwords?
You mean the Eich thing?
Haven't there been enough threads about the growing dissatisfaction with Firefox's current direction? Do we really need to rehash that in a poll thread? Nah.
And yes, Eich was a big red flag. Giving money to Antifa was another. SJW convergence is a real thing, it destroys organizations large and small, commercial, non-profit and even religious organizations. Learn to spot the warning signs.
I agree they probably shouldn't have thrown money at 'RiseUp' [mozilla.org], but are RiseUp really associated with antifa? It's clear they really don't like Amazon, Apple, Google, Microsoft, [riseup.net] but I'm still not quite clear what they're really after.
They describe themselves thus:
Riseup provides online communication tools for people and groups working on liberatory social change. We are a project to create democratic alternatives and practice self-determination by controlling our own secure means of communications.
Remember the three laws of SJWs:
1. SJWs Always Lie2. SJWs Always Double Down3. SJWs Always Project
You got caught by their obeying Law 1, lying. The "front group" was invented by Commies and religiously practiced by all on the Left because they understand normal sane humans consider their views abhorrent and would destroy them if they ever realized what was in their midst.
Mozilla gave $100,000 to secure email platform harnessed by Antifa groups [foxnews.com] But that is the eeviil Fox so...
A random blog [soylentnews.org] and more important, note that the anarchists themselves seem to consider it an ally. reddit /r/Anarchism thread [reddit.com] But seriously, look at their blogroll. Rogues gallery of tech anarchists. They kept the obvious openly political sites like DU and antifa.org would have been a dead giveaway so it was left off off but yea. Their two services are RiseUp Red and RiseUp Black, they aren't hiding, just throwing up a little plausible deniability.
But that is the eeviil Fox so...
Fox News is indeed untrustworthy, which is why I used a different source. There's no question they donated to RiseUp, though. My question is whether RiseUp are the villains you claim them to be.
A random blog
But seriously, look at their blogroll
Where? Link please. I'm after a definitive answer. You may even be right, but all you've done so far is re-state your opinion.
Ok, no idea what Soylent did to that second link. I just asked google "mozilla riseup" and worked the first page of hits. It wasn't hard to find a lot of clues that RiseUp is Antifa related.
I entirely realize you troll for fun but at least put some effort into it, dude.You're like an old, crusty Moldbug on tranquilizers and Alzheimer's meds.
Not "like". And off his meds.
Wait, what is Antifa? I'm looking around at all the major news and tech sites and can't seem to find any mention of them. Did they once exist and then just magically disappear overnight, like Osama bin Laden?
They're a Fox "news" and Breitbart red herring for the conservative conspiracy crowd. They're supposed to be violent left-wing extremists that they feel should be listed as a terrorist organization according to these sources. Funny that they feel that an anti-Neo-Nazi group should be listed as terrorists but, not the Neo-Nazis, who are "exercising their free speech rights."
not the Neo-Nazis, who are "exercising their free speech rights."
We the main stream Republican Party now, so the actual argument is something like describing the current ruling party as neo-nazi is kinda conceptually ridiculous. With a side dish of Trump's a civic nationalist, so its not even remotely technically correct to call him a german national socialist workers party member. From memory, he's not even German, he's American, unlike the Kenyan guy we had before.
Its a genealogical mistake, like calling Hillary a Khmer Rouge. Yes, they're both commies at some basic level but there's not really anything in common beyond a certain general shared worship of all that is Marxism. Or its like calling Pope Francis a Lutheran, I mean, yeah you got the "generally Christian" thing correct in common but there's, like, history between them and things and some disagreement on several important points.
The other argument with nazi is all good republican candidates for my entire adult life have been slandered as "nazis" so its a name without meaning anymore. Like think of famous nazi Tommy Thompson or famous nazi Ronald Reagan or famous nazi Bush (well, OK maybe that one is right) but a name thats content free doesn't mean anything any more.
Trump harped on the Birther thing so much because it is true, of him! Trump was born in the Bahamas, no doubt for tax dodging purposes. Not a natural born American, not legally allowed to be POTUS. Lock him up!
Hillary harped on that birther thing, because she's not a natural born American. She was poured from a vat, aboard the lizard ship, in orbit around Uranus. You've never seen that creature in a skirt or a dress, because it's so hard to keep a tail hidden under a skirt. Lock the bitch up!!
Not disagreeing with your data, but I thought for sure you were going in the direction of
Robert Conquest’s Three Laws of Politics
Everyone is conservative about what he knows best.
Any organization not explicitly right-wing sooner or later becomes left-wing.
The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies.
The Three "jmorris" Rules of Thumbs:
1. Never insert your thumb into jmorris. Never.2. jmorris is always lying, down, doubling.3. Just because you are worried about "SJW convergence", Commie infiltrators, and anti-fascist groups like the US Military, that does not mean you are paranoid. No, really. jmorris has been trying to tell us. WAKE UP! Sheeple! (oh, no, ) [xkcd.com]4. There is no fourth Rule of Thumb for jmorris. You think we're made of thumbs here?
that's what self interested single issue voters do no matter where they are on the political spectrum
and whenever someone says SJW, i expect the social justice is actually a good thing. they arent being called evildoers.
but the republican party often is called that, or their donors anyway. most of the rust belt aren't evil and I wouldn't lump them into the same category
i wish you and others like you would get your head out of your ass and realize this isnt all black and white
I'm confused, are you anti-government or pro-government? Because "anarchist" is about as anti-regulation, anti-government as you can get. Somebody get the good old "libertarian" straw man AC in here to back me up.
1. Trolls Always Lie2. Trolls Always Double Down3. Trolls Always Project
Mozilla should be spending their funds on improving the browser, not settling into high priced real estate in Taipei, nor getting milked by random political projects.
In general, for one charity to spend money on another possibly unrelated charity, it runs the risk of losing spending authority on the PR battlefield. Case in point: Susan Komen and Planned Parenthood.
He means crap like this [mozilla.org].
Participation is open:internationally to all women (cis and trans), trans men, and genderqueer peoplealso open in the U.S. to all Black/African American, Hispanic/Latin@, American Indian, Alaska Native, Native Hawaiian, and Pacific Islander people
Participation is open:
So in the US, it's open to everyone except white cisgendered men and ethnically oriental cisgendered men, and outside the US, it's open to all women (cis and trans), trans men, and genderqueer people.
Would it be politically incorrect to call it a 'whitelist'?
As long as you don't prefix it with the NOT operator, then it would be problematic.
Well, it uses Google's rendering engine, which is FOSS.The UI layer is their own and is proprietary.
Back in the day, Opera's Presto engine was my 2nd try when a page rendered in a crazy way.
Similar to how the Eudora email app dumped its own core and went with Thunderbird's with their own UI pasted on.Corporations do weird things.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
I voted Chrome because that's what I use at work, and I spend much more "browser-time" at work than I do at home (or via mobile). At home I almost exclusively use Firefox. Mobile is all Safari/iOS.
OS (almost), login shell, browser, ...
Kind of surprised that this wasn't on the list (assuming that the author doesn't own any Apple products).
Safari? Is that some kind of sports car or something? This was a list about web browsers used on computing devices.
I wouldn't call a Nissan Safari a sports car. Maybe a sports utility vehicle.
Safari is what you use when browsing on a Giraffe
Most of the Firefox bashing is from people that hate that Firefox is becoming more like Chrome.
When they say that they might as well use Chrome, they don't mean that they are going to. They mean that using Firefox is just as bad as using Chrome would be.
Some have gone for Vivaldi or Opera. Some for Pale Moon or Water Fox. Some are on Firefox 52 ESR, and some are still looking. Note that the survey does not differentiate between Firefox ESR and Firefox 57.
the survey does not differentiate between Firefox ESR and Firefox 57
Yeah. The standard length of the list of choices is pretty limited WRT browsers."A fork" might have been a useful entry.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org](Mozilla 1.2 --> SeaMonkey)
Chrome lost the smart IT people a long time ago
if IT people say they use it they are usually 'enthusiasts' and not pros.
pros don't roll over and be google's bitch like that. pros are using ad blockers and no script and... all the things that are the opposite of what google represents
firefox and palemoon and a few others at least let people pantomine freedom from tracking. pretending that chrome lets you not be the product via various auto updating addons and encrypted backchannels and stuff... maybe there are some cool things, but windows 10 has some cool things to. but you'd have to not be a pro to willingly use it for personal purposes. at work, yes... yes for both. but at home? no
Nothing but Firefox. Loving the new release too...so goddamn fast. The UI changes aren't my favorite thing ever, but it's tolerable. I don't trust Microsoft/Google/Apple so most other browsers just aren't an option. Could maybe do Pale Moon, but I couldn't care less about plugins (IME they cause more problems than they solve...) and they've got a worse UI and smaller dev team...and it's just a Firefox fork anyway.
Mozilla is still the only major browser manufacturer that won't benefit from fucking up your browsing experience, so I'm pretty fully committed to that, and have been for a while :)
I haven't noticed any speed difference, but at least now when an extension crashes, it just restarts instead of nuking the browser. For example, I've seen Tree Style Tabs crash a few times in the last week. The tabs just disappear and respawn, which is nifty. But you have to create a file and paste some CSS into it to hide the stock tab bar.
Nothing but Firefox. Loving the new release too...so goddamn fast.
We must be using different Firefox 57s. The one I'm running -- on multiple operating systems -- is, at best, about as fast as earlier versions and is often slower. Worse, though, is that Firefox 57 is a massive RAM hog compared to earlier versions and it must be more processor-demanding because the fan on my notebook constantly ramps up when I'm using Firefox. It never did that with earlier versions.
It never did that with earlier versions.
I'm not sure I can believe that.
Worse, though, is that Firefox 57 is a massive RAM hog compared to earlier versions
Worse?? Is that even possible?
Firefox holds on to RAM the way hoarders hang on to old newspapers and bottles of urine.
Firefox is the only independent major player. Their philosophy is much more along the lines of what I support than Microsoft, Google, or Apple. You can say, go Pale Moon! Which is great and I applaud their efforts, but they have their own issues as well. I've tried Pale Moon, but it never seemed to be any better than Firefox. I've tried Opera, but by the time I did; that ship had sailed. My work place's "offically supported browser" is Google Chrome. I'm guessing more to do with someone's bias and the fact that it's easier to develop for one Specific browser. Thankfully, they're not draconian in their enforcement of what exact software you may use. I work at an Academic Library, give me the tools, or let me get my own, so I can get stuff done.
My work's officially supported browser is also Chrome, and they don't give us admin rights to our laptops. So I use Firefox portable :)
The only problem is once they discovered that I have it, the people I work with started constantly borrowing my laptop for *company sites* that won't load properly on IE/Chrome...because we're a company full of software developers who don't understand stuff like PortableApps apparently...all these fuckers care about is Football...
...[who don't] understand stuff like PortableApps
Sounds like an opportunity for some profit.Populate a bunch of empty thumbdrives. [quickturnflash.com]
I've tried Pale Moon, but it never seemed to be any better than Firefox
Except that its UI isn't all fucked up? Which was the entire reason to start using Pale Moon in the first place?
Well, I remember finding Pale Moon as it originally was-- an optimized build of firefox for specific processors, from when Mozilla disallowed using their trademarks for modified versions. However, Moonchild's decision to fork over the UI overhaul is why most people, myself included, use it.
Maybe, I've just grown accustomed to having to adopt random UI changes, then. With the XP -> Vista -> 7 -> 10 changes, and all the Window Server iterations. Then there's all of the Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, Puppy Linux, and Arch UI changes / reversions. I can even muddle my way around OSX, if given the need. Back to strictly browser UI changes, I did find it a bit annoying that they changed the history icon with the most recent version, but again I shall adapt. I would rather see things being refreshed, kept up-to-date, and thriving. Perhaps, Firefox needs these changes to stay relevant and continue adding new young users to the mix. Maybe, they're full of crazy, and they will eventually implode. Currently, I don't see the latter. In any case, to each their own, and I'm glad there can be a fork of Firefox.
Chrome gets to be the "officially supported browser" because of the cross-platform administrative tools they offer. It's even better at Windows group policy than IE. Not to mention being waaay more safe and secure than anything else they could lock down (which is pretty much just IE).
One could say that generally, Google is doing the Microsoft thing these days but without shooting themselves in the foot every god damned minute.
Or am I being too pedantic?
Yes, that's how I voted, just wondered if that would skew the figures. It's a small sample set after all.
Well you're using an obscure browser, so 'Other' is the right way to handle it. There's no skewing here.
Chromium != ChromeOr am I being too pedantic?
I voted "Pale Moon" but I occasionally use Chromium for sites that don't load/work for me in Pale Moon on Debian. Like lumosity.com [lumosity.com].
Is there any significant difference between Chromium and Chrome, licensing aside?
Google adds some proprietary things to Chrome that aren't present in Chromium and it enables some more video codecs (and flash). Crash reporting and some (minor) user tracking isn't in Chromium but once you start using Google services (especially sync etc) then I think the tracking will be much the same.
Main difference for me is that Chromium is available in the Debian repos.
Have you found that "learning accelerator" to be useful?I've heard several sources say that it's a scam;not even as good as numerous $0 alternatives.
...and, getting back to the won't-render-properly thing, for folks who claim to be able to sort out smartness, you'd think they could find someone who knows how to make a proper webpage without any errors. [w3.org]
Luakit is my "daily driver", seamonkey my backup. I dropped Firefox years ago for being such a resource hog, but I might try again it to see if it's any faster now, are there any vi-keybind plugins for the new version yet?
browsers never get smaller--not until they nearly go out of business and have to reinvent themselves to 'cut out the bloat'.
wait a few years and firefox will be what you are looking for. its not dead enough yet to be reborn without the bloat. (again)
Safari under OS X / macOS.
Pretty funny that wasn't in the list. :)
I assumed it was a list of working browsers.
You must not have read it, then. It includes Internet Exploder. :)
I use Iron [srware.net] for all my regular browsing (along with SafeScript plugin.)
When I do development work, I use Vivaldi [vivaldi.com].
I use chrome only for Gmail and banking sites... nothing else.
In the last year, I only use Firefox for the very rare sites that do not work with chrome... and yes I had to use one web app that was so poorly made that only firefox and IE worked. (and I dont use windows at all.) The last major revision of firefox I used was 3.5... I was annoyed at losing things like the status bar and each revision seemed to get worse.
Because I trust our supreme overlords.
Check out SRWare Iron -- based on Chromium with the spy features removed:
(I'm not affiliated, I just remember seeing it mentioned a long time ago. I use Pale Moon.)
...or at least that's what they want you to think. They also want you to think it's open source yet they don't actually release much source code. I used Iron for a little while back when it was new, but it does not feel very trustworthy anymore...
They also want you to think it's open source
Clearly, they're shysters who engage in false advertising.
yet they don't actually release much source code
None at all for a very long time say my sources.
Iron [thesimplecomputer.info]The original version of this article was written in December 2011 [Updated October 12, 2014]. At that time, Iron was on version 14 but the code available on SRWare's website was only for version 6, and evidently incomplete. This is despite Iron traditionally having been released under a BSD license. In 2013, Iron's source was moved to Rapidshare and blocked to outside access. There are no repositories on the usual project sites like GitHub or SourceForge, either. Thus in actuality, SRWare Iron is entirely closed source and has been since at least version 6.
The original version of this article was written in December 2011 [Updated October 12, 2014]. At that time, Iron was on version 14 but the code available on SRWare's website was only for version 6, and evidently incomplete. This is despite Iron traditionally having been released under a BSD license. In 2013, Iron's source was moved to Rapidshare and blocked to outside access. There are no repositories on the usual project sites like GitHub or SourceForge, either. Thus in actuality, SRWare Iron is entirely closed source and has been since at least version 6.
Come on babe, it's a surfing Safari
Slimjet [slimjet.com], which is based on Chromium with a built-in adblocker, some built-in anti-tracking options, and a better file downloader.
Granted, I have the built-in adblocker disabled and use uBlock Origin instead, but the built-in anti-tracking options and the better file downloader are nice. Plus, it doesn't call home to the Google mothership.
I have SlimJet installed along with many others. I can rarely find a reason to actually use it though.
SlimJet's vaunted customizable toolbar is lackluster, with no apparent way to add additional icons/actions than the handful that are baked in.
On the desktop, I use a combination of Vivaldi & Pale Moon.
On mobile, I use a combination of Brave & Lightning [f-droid.org].
Work or home was not specified so I went with work. I unfortunately use IE because oracle peoplesoft 9.2 has severe stability issues with chrome and firefox.
IE is dying, hopefully there's some thoughts about switching to Edge. Unless you're conflating the two. Though, looking up the new IE11 with Windows 10, it looks like it will be supported for quite some time to come.
I currently use Waterfox as my main browser; I just copied my Firefox profile and I have a browser that behaves like Firefox, with all my extensions and plugins working, without having to resort to running older versions, as is the case for some extensions with Pale Moon.
I also use Vivaldi as a backup browser.
Interesting that even Pale Moon is beating out Chrome in the poll. Though the obligatory disclaimer at the top tells us these number shouldn't be used for anything important. It gives an interesting glimpse into the world of Soylent at any rate. Considering Pale Moon is a fork of Firefox. The browsers based on Firefox Code together are over triple the usage of Chrome. I know, I've been a fairly big pusher of Firefox for anyone who would listen. Perhaps other Firefox users are similar? I even eventually converted my Father In-Law to using Firefox. I also recently added uBlock Origin to his browser. Maybe now, he'll get less viruses.
I push FF as well. Their new browser is a step backwards for web-devs though so i've had to recommend chrome for any debugging (typescript especially). The FF developer edition is nice and dark. If they'd fix the debugger then it would certainly be the best in every way. Rewriting a browser isn't an easy thing to do though so i'm not being too hard on them.
I'll echo this. SeaMonkey uses the same engine as Firefox, though currently stuck at the 52ESR level of Firefox due to wanting to continue supporting legacy add-ons, and it does run most Firefox legacy add-ons, sometimes with a little help.The UI is stable. The suite can also do newsgroups (not bad now that the spammers have moved on), email etc.
Me too. Seamonkey is basically the version of Firefox that the hipsters forgot about - and thus forgot to f*** over with BS features and retarded UI changes. Can you imagine a Firefox where you don't need 12 different plugins to restore sane look-and-feel and default behavior? It's called Seamonkey. I didn't even realize how many of the plugins I used on Firefox existed for the sole reason of unf***ing the default settings until I made the switch. As parent mentioned, you can get most FF plugins running on SM, but I've found that beside ublock origin, you need almost no plugins...
To you and the root commenter:If you look at the title bar of your browser, you'll notice that the M in SeaMonkey is capitalized.
Additionally, SeaMonkey is a continuation of The Mozilla Suite, done by a volunteer team after Mozilla Inc. dropped support for the all-in-one thing.
It includes an email module with address book, as well as an HTML editor that will do basic stuff.Back before SeaMonkey 2.0, Fabien Cazenave AKA kazé, the developer of KompoZer, said he would work on an update of SeaMonkey's HTML editor, but nothing became of that.
Mostly still using Opera. Haven't had time to look into alternatives lately. My boss likes Brave but I haven't tried it yet.
In addition, I use (in approximate order of most-to-least) these ones for various work functions: Internet Explorer, Edge, Chromium, Firefox, Pale Moon, Safari, Vivaldi, Windows Telnet.
Mostly still using Opera
Presto or Chinese-botnet edition?
I use Qupzilla, which is now being adopted by KDE and renamed to Falkon.
Firefox was my primary browser for more than ten years, but it has become less usable for me in recent years and isn't even my secondary browser anymore.
https://www.qupzilla.com [qupzilla.com]https://github.com/KDE/falkon [github.com]
It's a damn shame that KDE Fiber never ended up going anywhere.
I prefer to use uzbl because I like using programs which try to follow the unix philosophy.
The project can use some love if you have spare time...
I use the world or orb browser. The one with the blue and white globe, the map of the Earth. Which came with my phone. They call it Browser. Barron put on the one with the color wheel, he says many people are using that one. Those are foolish people, because it's very difficult!
How about changing the poll more often than 3 times per year?
☐ Yes☐ No☐ Other -- Specify
I was a happy Opera user until Opera 12, then a decreasingly happy Firefox user until I finally dumped it around version 52 for Chromium. Chromium is the best of a bad bunch. I've tried Firefox Nightly 58 and it's a vast improvement on recent versions, but it's still fairly bad overall.
It's remarkable, considering how much we use the damn things, that pretty much every browser is awful in one regard or another.
This place had the right idea returning to Slashcode. It's like a calm, simple oasis in the middle of a multi story neon-flashing pollution spewing concrete dystopia.
Vivaldi has won me over and is now my main desktop browser. With UBlock Origin, Disable HTML5 AutoPlay, and HTTPS Everywhere to clean up modern web crap.
SeaMonkey is my backup (also with the last compatible version of UBlock Origin). I really like SeaMonkey, but I have a feeling it'll be dead soon due to them being forced to start using the new changes from Firefox's codebase which will kill off pretty much everything SeaMonkey is based on. I am still holding out someone will fork it (and if this happened it'd probably become my default browser).
Lynx on anything with a command line - Also useful for some news articles with a bunch of crapware/client-side enforced login-and-click-12-ads-to-read-this-article pages for stripping things down to just the text.
On mobile, there really are no good options right now. I think I've tried everything for iOS and Android over the last few years. I'm holding out that Vivaldi's eventual Android port will have all the functionality of the desktop version, but that seems a long way off either way. The fact that nobody really offers a mobile web browser with extension support is pretty telling on the current state of the web. Sure, desktop users can use ad/tracker blockers since they don't count, but don't even think about allowing the new mobile generation to have any control of their device and browsing experience!
Firefox ESR, I tried FF57, didn't like it, gonna stay on ESR until I find something to replace it, that isn't Chrome