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Say a friend of yours gets a job in the US, would you recommend him to move or not? Why?
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(Score: 5, Funny) by Snospar on Thursday April 26 2018, @01:37PM (3 children)
Even the options suck
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by Snow on Thursday April 26 2018, @04:18PM
It's because the options suck that this is the worst poll in SN history.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday May 09 2018, @06:31PM
Honeycomb's big, yeah, yeah, yeah!
It's not small,* no, no, no!
* not referring to the size of anyone's hands and should not be taken or inferred to be a reference to such
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 20 2018, @05:52AM
What language are the poll options written in?
(Score: 5, Insightful) by shrewdsheep on Thursday April 26 2018, @03:01PM (8 children)
A move is strictly necessary, the commute would be just a killer.
(Score: 2) by Thexalon on Thursday April 26 2018, @05:56PM (7 children)
Unless it were something like Windsor to Detroit, or Tijuana to San Diego, then it might not be so bad.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 27 2018, @01:46PM (4 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 28 2018, @12:54PM (1 child)
One of my co-workers owns what would amount to a multi-million dollar house in Rosarito, and commutes to San Diego as a mechanic (and not a good one at that).
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01 2018, @04:44AM
I've met a guy who was commuting from TJ to SD for a grocery job. He had an apartment he could live in with his dog for a couple hundo a month.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 14 2018, @08:30PM (1 child)
Easy, just take the tunnel... or any of the other tunnels.
(Score: 2) by MostCynical on Wednesday May 16 2018, @04:38AM
You might want to shower, very well, after leaving those tunnels.
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(Score: 3, Funny) by Dr Spin on Saturday April 28 2018, @08:02AM (1 child)
Windsor to Heathrow can take well over an hour. I don't think this is a good option.
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(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday May 02 2018, @04:13PM
Didn't London sell it's bridge to some stupid Yank? You can probably sell Heathrow too.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Thexalon on Thursday April 26 2018, @03:27PM (6 children)
1. What kind of job is it? What kinds of guarantees are there that the job is what their recruiter says it is (there have been horror stories of engineers and scientists being recruited for professional jobs, only to be told their job is slaughtering chickens and they couldn't afford to leave the job for years).
2. Where in the US is it? There's a big difference in quality of life between working in Seattle and working in Hot Springs, Arkansas.
3. What country are they leaving? If they're leaving Syria, they definitely should make the trip. If they're leaving Finland or some other prosperous place, maybe not.
4. How permanent is the new situation? If they're thinking about a sojourn to make big bucks for a while and come home, that's a different matter than if they want to settle somewhere forever.
There are probably more pertinent questions, but that's just some of the complexity.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 26 2018, @06:04PM
Hot Springs: In 2013, the metro was ranked by Forbes as one of the top "small places for business and careers", citing a low cost of doing business, high job growth and an educated workforce.
Seattle: It's a filthy high-stress urban environment with the usual panhandlers, muggers, druggies, pickpockets, etc.
If leaving Finland, they should make the trip to escape the rapidly worsening EU... provided that they don't endorse that shit. If they are leaving Syria as a non-Muslim victim of religious violence, OK, but otherwise they'd be bringing that shit to the USA.
The question of "how permanent" is simple. Unless you will honestly be a 100% patriotic American, fully rejecting all ties to the former country, you should not go.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday April 27 2018, @04:18AM
And most of that has to do with the perspective of the job candidate.
Equal money: cost of living is much lower in Hot Springs - live like a King, big fish in the small pond, or live like a plebe in a rundown apartment in Seattle.
Does the big city, heroin capital of the country (Space Needle for G-d's sake) excite and appeal to you, or do you like to go hunting and fishing after work?
If the candidate is coming from out of country, is it important to them to be able to visit the old country easily? Airport connections are much better in Seattle.
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(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday April 27 2018, @06:17PM (1 child)
You know this because . . . . you've lived in both places?
I am probably not the best of people to recommend cities to live in. For one, I don't like cities. For another, I have never "settled in" to a city. But, I've been around. Hot Springs isn't a real "working" city. It's a freaking tourist trap kind of place. Hot Springs has much in common with places like Virginia Beach, Mayport, or even Seattle. Personally, I have almost zero use for tourist trap cities. Winter Harbor, Maine, is more my kind of place, or Cape Flattery, Washington. The quality of life in either place is much, much, MUCH higher than any tourist trap town.
I suppose that a person's political leanings might sway his opinion of some cities and towns. Seattle is pretty damned liberal. Seattle tends to attract a little more than it's fair share of crazies. If you're a liberal, or a crazy, you'll likely recommend Seattle. If you're less liberal, and a little less crazy, you'll probably prefer Hot Springs. But, "quality of life"? You'll need to offer some serious citations for that. And, I DO NOT mean some crazed politico's talking points about local/state/federal politics, and voting records. You specifically used the term "quality of life". Justify it.
(Score: 1) by DECbot on Tuesday May 08 2018, @10:24PM
If you're looking for the "working" part of northern Arkansas, you'll want to investigate the I-49 corridor (Fayetteville, Springdale, Bentonville, Rogers). That's the better region to compare against Seattle--though the cost of living is accelerating. This is mostly accredited to Walmart's headquarters being located in Bentonville. Basically, anything coming from Arkansas that is not rice, cotton, sod, or soy comes from that area.
The real tourist trap of the region is Branson, MO. That place is the Ned Flanders version of Vegas.
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(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 08 2018, @04:12AM
If it's in the US, stay well away.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday May 18 2018, @04:34PM
Those are, of course, the obvious missing details in the poll question.
I believe they are looking for more generalized prejudices and other inflammatory opinions to be expressed here, logic need not apply to a Yes/No poll with an Oi! option.
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(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 26 2018, @06:38PM (8 children)
Seriously, why would anyone want to come to the US these days? Internet speeds that have not increased since 1999, laying in bed every night wondering if the MPAA or RIAA is going to waltz in and rape you up the butt, oh and Donald Trump. Do I even need to say more?
We're going to build a wall and keep you all out. :P
Please stay in your third world* hovels and don't take glorious American Jobs.
*From the 'Merican Dickshunary of Werds: Third World Country: Any country outside of the US. Except for Canada, which everyone knows is just a frozen wasteland and not a real country anyway.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by realDonaldTrump on Thursday April 26 2018, @09:11PM
We are building that wall. And it has to be built quickly. And I don't mind having a big beautiful door in that wall so that people can come into this country legally. But we need to keep illegals out.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 27 2018, @02:50PM
What rock have you been living under?
In 1999, I was living in Cupertino, CA, right across the freeway from the Apple campus. My broadband options were dial up (56kbs or less, mostly less) or a completely over-subscribed cable plan that gave, at best, 500 kbs, and varied wildly as people used it. No DSL as I was too far from all central offices in the area.
Today, I live in a borderline rural area and I have a cable plan that tests at 140 Mbs. With inflation I don't think the price increase is that much either. It is beyond night and day how things have improved since 1999.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday April 27 2018, @11:52PM
Here's a question to answer your question - What the fuck does the survey question even mean? Was it written by some petrol-hungry Abbo? Does it mean that, upon accepting a position in the U.S., should they then move to the U.S.? Well why the fuck did they even apply in the first place? Were they offered a transfer?
Rich educated kids from Mexico and South-American countries are A-ok. They are intelligent and often raised within the family business so know a thing or two about good ideas and how to avoid being hustled. They flush their toilet paper down the toilet rather than toss it in the wastebasket.
This goes for Africans as well. There are very few educated and civilized ones, but the ones who do make it here are outstanding, quiet, and very well-kempt and civilized people.
Now, nobody who should ever move here, Rich/educated or not, are Middle-Easterners and Indians. They are rude and douchebaggy to the extreme.
Rich and educated Slavs are a mixed-bag. Picking and choosing your average educated and well-off Slav is rolling the dice due to their pop culture being the worst of American magnified by a thousand. They're all legitimate or wannabe drug or arms dealers with tacky bling and believe with straight faces that rhinestones on pink miniskirts are fashionable. Turks and especially Armenians also fall into this category.
White Europeans of European descent are always welcome here, no matter their social class or education level.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 07 2018, @07:06PM
I have gigabit internet here in Sacramento for 80$ a month. Sadly I’m moving to Berkeley I a few weeks and I’m not sure if it’s offered there :/
(Score: 1) by RandomFactor on Monday May 07 2018, @08:43PM
It has increased in some places.
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Incrementally as DOCSIS revs, or just as Google pressures the usual suspects to make improvements. For example I'm in a city adjacent to one that got Google Fiber (just a few miles away, /cry) but interestingly AT&T gigabit fiber promptly became available in my area (totally unrelated, i'm sure) and I have that now.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 08 2018, @03:37PM
Trump would be the reason I'd move to the US. Say what you will about the man, but thanks to him the US has tons of jobs, where as where I live we are loosing thousands of jobs a month. You can deny it all you want, but as someone who has limited job options, I'd go where the guy making the jobs is. I don't give a damn about his personal life, his politics, or anything else he does, I care about decent employment which is seems to offer, despite what I hear about him.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 08 2018, @07:18PM
If the US doesn't build a wall in five years, then in twenty they will be building death camps.
At that point, all that will be left to decide is who is on which side of the barbed wire.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday May 18 2018, @04:37PM
Only people who don't pirate all their movies see those "Piracy is a Crime" warning/threats.
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(Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 26 2018, @06:45PM (15 children)
If the friend is black, I don't recommend he moves to the USA unless the job, package, benefits, etc is wonderful enough to make up for it.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Thursday April 26 2018, @11:22PM (14 children)
The black friend could live almost entirely inside their home, get Amazon to deliver groceries directly to the door, and take an Uber or driverless car to get to and from work. Bonus if the job has telework days.
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(Score: 5, Insightful) by idiot_king on Friday April 27 2018, @02:45PM (13 children)
It sounds funny, but I assure you it isn't.
Living in the Midwest is hellish for PoC, especially WoC. I don't recommend moving to the US until at the very least a Socialist is put into power.
This country is a wreck, and it's not going to get better until people get serious about change. REAL change, not putting a junior senator who also happens to be black into office (Obama).
(Score: 1, Troll) by bradley13 on Saturday April 28 2018, @01:53PM (2 children)
You know, you're probably right: Living in the US as a black person - at least a black person from elsewhere - must be hellish.
That said, the fault lies almost entirely with...the American blacks. They are the ones keeping racism alive, by pulling the race card at every opportunity. If you hire a black person, any if anything doesn't go their way, they will accuse you of racism. So you avoid hiring blacks, because you don't need that crap in your business - therefore you become a racist. The only option you have is to treat blacks with kid gloves, make special allowances, make sure that they don't stub their toe anywhere. Even incompetents must be kept on, and other people will have to pick up the slack. Which causes resentment and drives racism.
Or take a look at the recent Starbucks incident. Two guys hanging around, disrupting a business, but not even as paying customers. Who brought race into this? The guys who were doing the disrupting. So you don't want blacks around your place of business either. You don't want blacks as customer either [dailymail.co.uk] - same thing, if they don't get their way, they'll pull the race card and disrupt your business. Want to keep disruptive customers out of your business? You are - correctly - a racist. If you want to avoid problems, you again have to give blacks special treatment. Which causes resentment, and drives racism.
Now you have American blacks calling for segregation. Segregates businesses, even segregated territories. Clearly, they know nothing of history, not even recent history. They should be careful what they wish for...they might get it.
I forget who it was (maybe Jerry Pournelle?) who originally wrote something I find completely appropriate: Back in my younger days, I thought everyone should be treated as an individual, regardless of skin color - and that was seen as hopelessly liberal. Today, I think everyone should be treated as an individual, regardless of skin color - and that is seen as hopelessly conservative.
Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
(Score: 2, Touché) by idiot_king on Saturday April 28 2018, @03:43PM
Why are racists so unpersuasive?
You know it's fascinating, for something that you spend so much time thinking about, you'd think some of you asshats would've figured out how to sell it by now.
But maybe that's because racism is inherently illogical and unpersuasive anyway.
Maybe you should... drop it. And, you know, join the rest of humanity.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 28 2018, @06:38PM
How were they disrupting the business? The Starbucks manager was disrupting the business - calling the cops is far more disruptive than letting two guys sit and wait. Lots of whites took a look at the Starbucks incident too and they said they have never been forced to pay first before using the toilet (in fact some prefer to use the toilet before ordering just in case it takes longer than expected for them to get their drink). And many have hung out in Starbucks for ages without being asked to leave or the cops being called to kick them out.
Heck meeting people at Starbucks was their fucking selling point at one time: https://www.seattletimes.com/business/new-starbucks-campaign-touts-role-as-global-hangout/ [seattletimes.com]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQmVpHQ8ENs [youtube.com]
It wasn't "Meet me at Starbucks unless you're black".
Even in my semi-civilized third world country I've waited for people at Starbucks without buying anything and the cops weren't called on me. And I've waited longer than the two or so minutes the Starbucks manager took to call the cops: http://www.complex.com/life/2018/04/police-arrested-black-men-in-starbucks-called-2-minutes-after-men-entered [complex.com]
Furthermore those two guys were also held for about EIGHT HOURS at the station. Why so long?
So why should those black guys be forced to have worse choices when the whites aren't?
e.g.
a) Buy stuff
or
b) Leave
or
c) Get arrested by the cops and held for 8 hours.
If the whites wouldn't accept this why should the blacks accept it?
Yes more blacks should reject the terrible gangsta culture that too many of them glorify and love (many do reject it), but the fault far from entirely lies with the blacks. Apologists like you take far more of the blame. You help the worse racists justify their racism.
Lastly, it's no surprise the blacks get so used to pulling the race card and thinking people are being racist when so many US cops and people are actually racist. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/employees-fired-nj-gym-racial-profiling-report-article-1.3942390 [nydailynews.com]
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 29 2018, @05:42PM (3 children)
You always say it isn't "real" socialism when a socialist gets into power and fucks everything up. You want to disavow Venezuela.
Well, suppose you are right. Somehow that isn't real socialism, even though they claimed so and you were praising it before shit hit the fan. OK. Fine. How are we supposed to identify "real" socialism, telling it apart from all the not-real socialism we always get? Every time we try socialism, we get the same shit. We get people lined up outside of empty stores. Why should we try again? Can't you see that this would be, at best, risky?
(Score: 2) by UncleSlacky on Monday April 30 2018, @02:08PM (2 children)
The defining tenet of socialism is ownership of the means of production by the workers themselves. This is not and has never been the case in Venezuela, or pretty much anywhere else, so no, "true socialism" has never been tried.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Dr Spin on Saturday May 05 2018, @07:43AM (1 child)
However, I am sure there must be a middle path between:
the government rowing the ship of state (socialism)
the government letting the ship of state go wherever the (economic) winds happen to blow it (conservatism)
I advocate the government steering the ship of state - preferably away from rocky shores (liberalism - UK definition)
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(Score: 2) by UncleSlacky on Monday May 07 2018, @08:45PM
> the government rowing the ship of state (socialism)
"Socialism is when the government does stuff, and the more stuff it does the socialister it is." - Carltural Marks
Nope, sorry, communism is the end result, socialism (social ownership of the means of production) is the method for achieving it. Marx himself used the terms interchangeably.
There can be no "middle way" - either the MoP is privately owned (capitalism) or socially (socialism). A "healthy mix" that retains private property is still just capitalism with a few sops to the poor to stop them from revolting (welfare).
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 29 2018, @11:19PM (4 children)
Charlie Gard and Alfie Evans were killed by socialism in the UK. Just this past week, Alfie took 4 days to starve. Charlie died last summer.
In each case, group of people running hospitals in the UK decided that they should die. (totally not a "death panel", right?)
In each case, the parents had been offered free care in other countries. (Charlie in the USA, and Alfie in Italy)
In each case, the UK hospitals prevented the parents from taking their children to get that care. The parents couldn't even be there as their children died.
http://thefederalist.com/2018/04/27/single-payer-health-care-denies-care-sick-children-like-alfie-evans/ [thefederalist.com]
Before Hitler started killing Jews, he killed people like Charlie Gard and Alfie Evans. Know your history. The disabled, both physically and mentally, were first to be killed.
To be clear, it isn't the "Nationalism" of the "National Socialist" (Nazi) party that causes this. It's the socialism. Socialism always leads to the killing of undesirables because they are a burden on the socialist system.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 30 2018, @07:38AM
Over ten thousand people die from preventable medical issues every year in the US because they don't have adequate access to healthcare, often because they cannot afford it. This is the context that you completely ignore. Even if you can point to several cases of single payer systems screwing up (and I'm sure you legitimately can), the US system is so much worse.
Then there are the medical bankruptcies that happen frequently in the US. You manage to get care, but then are stuck with crushing debt. Great.
I'd say people being denied health insurance because of preexisting conditions - which was allowed before the ACA - qualifies as a "death panel." People being unable to seek medical help because they know they can't afford it also qualifies. But you don't seem to care about either of those.
You focus on some bad things in single payer systems while completely ignoring the much worse issues in our for-profit price-gouging fake free market system. You are a profoundly dishonest person, and your propaganda is rancid.
(Score: 4, Informative) by isostatic on Wednesday May 02 2018, @09:08PM (1 child)
No they didn't. It was judges that decided it, not people in hospitals you idiotic twat
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 03 2018, @04:45AM
Sure, judges get involved at some point, but they are rubber stamping what the hospital wants. Judges aren't going to get involved in medical issues any more than minimally required.
Hospital: "We should starve this baby to death. It is best for her."
Judge: "According to the hospital, it is best to starve the baby. It shall be done."
(Score: 2) by bootsy on Wednesday May 16 2018, @08:49AM
It wasn't socialism in the Alder Hey Hospital case. Socialism kept the baby alive for the length of time it was. The parents could never have afforded the cost of the intensive neonatal cot that kept him alive, expecially not for that length of time.
The issue is more on the libertarian authoritarian axis. In the UK the state often thinks it knows best i.e. not being able to take children out of school during term time even though you may be taking them somewhere where they may benefit educationally e.g. viewing ancient Greece/ Rome etc. It's often called the Nanny State by right wing leaning tabloid newspapers but there is an element of truth in it. UK politics doesn't really have the libertarian element in it and when it does it tends to be associated with the right wing. We don't have a main stream left wing but libertarian party.
In several recent high profile cases the NHS has said to parents that they cannot treat their children privately. In the case of Alfie it was costing the state a lot of money and blocking an intensive care resource that is scarce. It was actually in the tax payers' interests to let Alfie be "treated" elsewhere. I very much doubt he would have survived and I think the Doctor's opinion on survival was correct but I believe that his parents had the right to take him elsewhere. I don't believe they had the right to keep him on in Alder Hey indefinitely being paid for by the UK taxpayer.
A horrible situation for everyone involved and I hope the family find peace and get another chance at being parents.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday May 18 2018, @04:52PM
Granted: the US is a train-wreck in progress, so much could be better, and so many countries around the world do _some_ things better - however, there is a general trend of forward-ish progress.
People who complain about the discrimination and injustice toward PoC are right, and also missing the enormous progress made in the last 100 years. Not just abolition of slavery, but also real change away from how things were in the 1860s-1960s where PoC could be killed outright without a murder investigation, physical abuse and acts of terror were a very real thing up through the 1960s - there are faint echoes of these days even now, but the echoes are truly dying down as the decades roll by.
Cost of living, wages paid, tolerance of diversity, and other quality of life measures are all quite varied throughout the US, which is why the poll question lumping the whole US together is virtually meaningless.
I will say that our healthcare sucks, expensive, frustrating, and often yielding sub-optimal results due to the reimbursement structure. If you're high enough up the income food-chain, and lucky enough to not need extensive healthcare, it can be O.K., good even - but even before lawyers, 10,000 health insurance executives at the bottom of the ocean would be a good start.
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(Score: 4, Insightful) by edIII on Thursday April 26 2018, @08:00PM (15 children)
Yeah, nah
Nah, Yeah
Oi!
WTF? Which is yes, which is no? What does Oi! mean, and why is it an option?
Let me go smoke a couple bowls and come back. Maybe then I might understand the poll....
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Thursday April 26 2018, @09:02PM (8 children)
The poll seems like a joke of European origin to me. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=oi [urbandictionary.com]
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday April 26 2018, @10:16PM (7 children)
Yeah, Nah is a Kiwi expression meaning no, but in a non-confrontational sort of way. (It may certainly be used by others)
Oi is used in most English (UK) speaking countries, as far as I am aware to mean "hey". Europeans will have a French (or German, or Dutch etc) equivalent I would imagine.
"Oi mate, you comin' to the rugby tomorrow"?
"Dunno, who's playin' "
"Blues are playin' the Jaguares"
"Yeah, nah".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 27 2018, @05:05PM (6 children)
Nah, nah is just regular english-language slang in my experience. The only native-english non-usains I've met are educated professionals who don't use slang, but it's pretty common in the US otherwise. Oi is definitely a british thing though.
(Score: 2) by Dr Spin on Saturday April 28 2018, @08:08AM (5 children)
I am British and live in London.
Oi is a very rude way of saying "Hey, you over there!" unless speaking to Brazillians, in which case, it possibly slightly less rude.
I certainly would not recommend anyone I know going to the USA until Trump, the NRA and the TSA are abolished, and not even then if Black.
Warning: Opening your mouth may invalidate your brain!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 28 2018, @02:53PM
Really, now is the best time ever to be black in America. People are more cautious of racism than ever before, to the point of being polite and tolerant. Pop culture is dominated by blacks, suburbs aren't all white anymore so kids grow up around black people, and police everywhere know that if they get out of line they will end up on social media and probably out of a job. Don't let the narrative fool you, black is the thing to be right now. Being white is totally not cool, being black is automatically cool.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday May 02 2018, @04:24PM
I expect that people will stop being black, before the TSA is abolished.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 08 2018, @07:24PM
That's fair. I wouldn't recommend going to Britain until all the pedos (Muslim and non-Muslim) are cleared out. So, never.
(Score: 2) by bart9h on Thursday May 17 2018, @07:08PM
To Brazilians, "oi" means "hi" (as in hello, not high). So, not rude at all.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 19 2018, @08:25AM
In oz Oi! is generally said in a fairly sharp tone, but is more of an attention getter than rude.
You might yell "OI! Watch out for that car" to some idiot who was about to step into traffic without looking.
(Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Friday April 27 2018, @02:17PM
Way ahead of you. Still doesn't make sense. And is that Oi! as in The Business or early Dropkick Murphys?
(Score: 2) by coolgopher on Sunday April 29 2018, @06:49AM (2 children)
Yeah it's pretty funny how confusing this gets for people who aren't familiar with it. It's Australian (and New Zealand?) slang. "Yeah, nah" is effectively "No way, you've gotta be kidding". "Nah, yeah" being the sort-of opposite at "well, okay, sure". Not to be confused with "Aww yeah!" which is a lot more enthusiastic affirmation. And "Oi!" being anything between "yeah", "hey you!" and "wtf do you think you're doing?!" :)
Let's see if there's anyone else from down under reading this... Aussie Aussie Aussie!
(Score: 1, Redundant) by c0lo on Sunday April 29 2018, @12:21PM (1 child)
Oy! Mate! There nothing in this poll to cheer for!
"Friend" and "job in US" is a contradiction in terms down here.
(...blink...blink)
If I considering the concept a bit more, I'm inclined to think even "job" and "US" may be a contradiction terms... unless the "job" part is prefixed by the "blow" particle, that is (goblin grin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by coolgopher on Sunday April 29 2018, @02:24PM
Yeah well, with SESTA/FOSTA you're not even going to get much of that now, are you...?
(Score: 2) by Megahard on Wednesday May 02 2018, @07:54PM
Nah, nah, nah, nah
Nah, nah, nah, nah
Yeah, Yeah
Goodbye
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 07 2018, @04:13PM
Oi is the American spelling of Oui.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 27 2018, @02:13AM (30 children)
It's a nice Orwellian poll you have there, but you will never convince me that there are any jobs anywhere in the US. You see, I live here in the US. I know how the job market works here. Applicants apply for jobs, and NOTHING HAPPENS. THE JOBS DO NOT EXIST.
THERE. ARE. ZERO. JOBS.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 27 2018, @03:04AM (3 children)
Ah, but you see, there are no jobs only because us foreigners are taking them all. Since the poll is about a foreigner getting a job in the US, it covers that exact situation. Oi!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 27 2018, @03:46AM (2 children)
Why would you want to move to the US which is full of angry homeless people who will fucking kill you for the handful of dollars that your shit job pays?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 28 2018, @02:39AM (1 child)
To get free welfare, medical, education, food stamps for steak & lobster, and a Cadillac Escalade.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 29 2018, @01:13AM
Difficult to spend food stamps on lobster when you get stabbed to death by unemployed American homeless whose job you stole. Go back to your shithole cuntry. We the people don't want you here.
(Score: 1, Touché) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday April 27 2018, @10:14AM (22 children)
Suck less, you might get hired.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 27 2018, @11:28AM (21 children)
It is impossible to get hired when nobody is hiring.
I do not even suck, you see. I am always busy building new projects and learning new skills. My resume gets ever longer every year as the years drag on. I have a ton of tech skills. Interviewers ask me, with such a long list of skills and breadth of knowledge and experience, how is it possible that I am not working. The reason is simple. Nobody is hiring.
Yeah, nah, oi, my simple minded idiot friend, it does not matter what I do. Nobody is hiring.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 27 2018, @05:08PM
Quit relying on others and make your own way then. If you really have the skills, just make something people want and get paid. Make some shitty phone apps and harvest info for mad profitz bro. It's not that hard to get paid.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Friday April 27 2018, @06:07PM (4 children)
But then I read:
A supposedly great resume and you're even getting interviews? While I've heard of a few cases where employers have pretended to do interviews, for the most part, that's real hiring right there. Sorry, not only do you suck, but you choose to suck.
If you really used that line in front of someone who is interviewing you and hence, actually hiring people, then that's doubly stupid - you came up with this flimsy, brazen lie in front of someone who is actually hiring. Of course, you're not going to make the list.
The vast majority of people just find work when they need to. They don't come up with an elaborate fairy tale to explain why they can't.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 29 2018, @02:10AM (3 children)
Yes I am getting recruiter calls daily, and yes I am getting interviews. And nobody is hiring. I'm not the one choosing not to hire anyone. I have no money and no power. The power lies entirely with the employers with all the money who refuse to employ anyone and who get on a power trip by conducting interviews when they know for certain that not a single one of the candidates will be hired. I've heard every excuse there is, from "sorry we had our budget cut and the job was eliminated but the interviews were still on the schedule" to "you should apply anywhere else because you have too many skills and you'll be bored here even though you say you're able and willing to do the work."
You're a sheltered entitled idiot, khallow. Pull your head out of your asshole and see the real world around you, khallow.
You don't know what the hell you are talking about. The situation is I'm seeking a job because I don't have a job therefore I'm seeking a job. The plain truth doesn't get any more true. The employers are blatant liars who lie about hiring for jobs that don't exist. They know they can get away with lying in an employers' market with millions unemployed who will never be employed. Employers don't need to be told nobody is hiring. Employers already know they are not hiring anyone.
Vast majority, you say, you fucking weasel. That's right, you admit the existence of the minority of candidates who have the raw talent and the natural drive and the formal education and the refined skill and the years of experience and the passionate attitude to achieve and yet still never find jobs anywhere.
You fucking suck, khallow. You're just like every other pigheaded cunt I always find everywhere in the tech industry who thinks everybody can just get a job since, ... duh, you gots a jerb. You are utterly toxic poisonous shit, khallow.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by khallow on Sunday April 29 2018, @02:39AM (2 children)
Exactly. I get that looking for work is hard, particularly at the level you're at. But pigheaded cunts find work despite not having your advantages. The only common denominator in all this is you. Think about it.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by PiMuNu on Thursday May 10 2018, @12:04PM (1 child)
and GP's references... could be a poisonous reference causing trouble.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 19 2018, @08:29AM
With an attitude like he has, that's quite likely.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday April 27 2018, @07:13PM (14 children)
There are currently over five million jobs that employers can't find anyone to fill. Try again. Or do like I've been doing the past twenty years or so and create your own job.
Mostly though, stop whining. You seem to be under the misapprehension that you're entitled to being hired by someone else. This is not the case. It is not anyone's obligation to meet your financial needs but your own. Not business owners', not the government's, and certainly not mine.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 29 2018, @02:39AM (13 children)
You mean there are millions of fake jobs that employers refuse to fill. Payroll is an unacceptable expenditure when billionaires are competing to see who can hoard the most money. And so millions of unemployed able and willing workers can't find work, and they are powerless to do anything about the situation.
I've been trying again for years. Meanwhile I've been picking up open source projects, learning whatever language the project uses, and contributing code. I do this because I can, not for what it's worth, which is absolutely fucking nothing at all. Coding doesn't pay, despite the billionaire liars of the tech industry who want every child to learn to code and be jobless and poor.
Shoving fish up your ass and sucking your own dick counts as paid work, I suppose. There are some odd porn fetishists out there.
No.
Certainly I am not entitled to be hired. But I expect much less fraud in the job market than I see on a daily basis. Out of thousands of jobs for which I meet or exceed the required qualifications, I expect at least one job to be real and not blatantly fake.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 29 2018, @06:54AM
Not to mention that a lot of the qualifications are total garbage. Lack a piece of paper but have the skill and experience to do the job? Are you extremely introverted and don't hide that fact? Good luck getting hired, except by yourself. You're not the right "fit," after all.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday April 29 2018, @11:35AM (9 children)
No, I mean there are millions of jobs you simply do not want to do. You seem to labor under the impression that the world owes you a job as a code monkey. This is not the case any more than it was for the buggy whip makers.
If you can't understand that you can create your own job by finding something people either need or very much want and filling that need in exchange for money, you're probably doomed to be a wage slave for life. And one I wouldn't hire as you seem to lack the ability to think outside of very narrow windows. Me, I've been doing exactly what I just described for over twenty years. I did take a couple years off when I first moved out to TN but then I'd done well enough previously that I could. As further evidence that this is possible, I offer MDC's situation.
Back to the wage slavery though... If you haven't been able to find a code monkey job for years it's either because you don't really want to, because you're not worth hiring as one, or because your prospective employers are able to suss out that you are in fact a whiny little bitch that they don't want to have to associate with regularly.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 29 2018, @04:05PM (8 children)
Oi! No one here would WANT to work for you. The moment anyone opens their mouth about a problem or issue they automatically become "whiny little bitches" with no chance of getting a constructive response.
Not everybody is in a position where they can magically "create their own job". That takes resources, contacts, luck, and being in just the right place at the right time. Those that manage to do that are quire privileged.
In case you hadn't noticed, society expects every able bodied adult to have a job. So of course there is a little feeling of entitlement there. You seem to expect everyone who can't get a job to just kill themselves.
Good luck to you when YOUR current gig is up. We'll be sure to keep our fingers in our ears so we can't hear YOU whining as you starve to death.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday April 30 2018, @11:12AM (6 children)
The solution there should be obvious; do something other than whine when you open your mouth.
Working your ass off and taking huge risks so that you're not stuck being a wage slave is privilege now? There is no luck in business except bad unless you're a moron. You look ahead, see that you're going to need $blah, and create a future where $blah == true. Now if you're an utter fool like you, you don't bother with all that, wonder why the world isn't handing you sacks of free money, go bankrupt, and blame "luck", yes.
You have the logic backwards there. The expectation of you to work is an expectation of earning your own way in life. The expectation of someone handing you anything you don't deserve is antithetical to that.
Luck has nothing to do with it. I'll have more work lined up before I get done with what I'm currently working on because I will do everything I have to to make certain that situation comes to be true.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 02 2018, @01:46AM (5 children)
Ya know, normal people do the work of three people at their job and don't have time to look for other work until it is too late.
One lucky mother fucker indeed.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday May 02 2018, @01:57AM (3 children)
You realize that's self-contradictory, yes? It's also false even in sentiment. Normal people work eight hours a day, sleep eight hours a day, and have eight left over to find time for job hunting. That's not even considering the two days off they get each week. Yes, situations do vary but that is normal.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 4, Touché) by isostatic on Wednesday May 02 2018, @08:31PM
Normal people work eight hours a day
LOL
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh wait, you're serious
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 03 2018, @09:54AM (1 child)
You're thinking of Europe.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday May 03 2018, @10:26AM
You guys do realize that the type of folks who spend time on SN are not "normal" people in this particular regard, yes? Most people in the US do not work a salary, contractor, or consultant job.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Mykl on Wednesday May 02 2018, @02:06AM
The job situation is not that bad in all countries. Sure, there are those that are worse than the US (Spain, Greece), but others that are quite a bit better. You can also get other benefits: better food, more affordable health care, less violent crime, a police force you don't need to fear etc. On top of that you may get better working conditions, better annual leave and better wages.
Perhaps (counterpoint to this poll) it's time to look at leaving the US and moving to another country?
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday May 02 2018, @04:33PM
https://bountify.co/ [bountify.co]
Go get a job, you whiny bitch.
(Score: 2) by mhajicek on Monday April 30 2018, @07:23AM (1 child)
Oh there are jobs all right, and my company is hiring, but we have no use for coders. It sounds like your skill set is too common. Coders are a dime a dozen these days.
The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 30 2018, @07:43AM
Whereas good coders are almost nonexistent.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by requerdanos on Wednesday May 02 2018, @03:50PM
My next-door neighbors just moved here (this month) from Guatemala. They have work visas. The landscaping company that employs them had so much trouble finding job applicants that they are importing them from other countries. The employer is providing the apartment and the furniture as part of the benefits package.
So, this serves at least as a counter-example. The jobs picture is strange and spotty, but there are jobs, and jobs that move people from other countries to the United States.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 05 2018, @01:19AM
There are plenty of jobs, you just need to the right group memberships to qualify. Darken up, grow a vagina, acquire a foreign passport, something man.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday May 18 2018, @04:57PM
Not all applicants are equally attractive to all employers. In bad economic times I've pounded down every available door for months getting nowhere. Other times, posting my resume on a company application website got me a call from the CEO within 4 hours, an interview the next day, and an offer matching my last salary and benefits on the spot. I actually quit that job for another, better one and have been offered a large retention bonus more than once.
Find your niche, or create it. Or... lobby for UBI, lots of people are gonna need that in the not-so-distant future.
🌻🌻 [google.com]
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Friday April 27 2018, @06:27PM (8 children)
I most definitely do not like police states. For that reason, I find it hard to recommend any of the surveillance states - UK, OZ, US, France - I don't know just how bad other Euro nations are, but they all suck harder all the time.
I've given some serious thought to where things might be better. Unfortunately, I can't point to any place on this earth where everything is better.
I'm waiting to apply for emigration to Mars, or maybe even further out. The US may or may not be the best thing going on earth, but it still has a lot of suck.
I suppose this is a good place to post some trigger words for the NSA - terrorism bomb nuke lolita white nationalism anarchy human sacrifice treason detonator fuse oath keepers semper fidelis second amendment riot assassination leak Russia sovereign citizen cartel opium cocaine arms dealing
(Score: 2, Funny) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday April 27 2018, @11:53PM (2 children)
I hear Sweden is pretty nice nowdays -- good education, good welfare, good civilization, tolerant progressive values, and peaceful.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday May 18 2018, @05:00PM
The midnight sun (aka noontime no-sun) countries do seem to have a better handle on the social aspects... my theory is that they have to, otherwise everybody would leave.
You'll see the opposite effect in the tropical islands: immigration policies basically state "bring big piles of cash." Social benefits and structures? Nice idea, but with big piles of cash, it all just sort of works itself out one way or another.
🌻🌻 [google.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 20 2018, @05:49AM
The muslims are killing the place
and the people
well, raping the people but same diff
(Score: 4, Informative) by c0lo on Sunday April 29 2018, @12:23PM
I can tell you Antarctica is cool.
No, scratch that, Antarctica beyond cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by requerdanos on Wednesday May 02 2018, @03:51PM (3 children)
Sure, bomb, burner phone, president, allahu akbar, local cell, chatter, etc. But semper fi?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday May 02 2018, @04:10PM
Semper Fi goes right along with Oath Keepers. Once a Marine, always a Marine. And, Marines don't take shit from no one.
Of course, pretty much all veterans are on progressive's shit lists. If references to veterans don't trigger the intel agencies, they will surely trigger some liberals.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by DECbot on Wednesday May 09 2018, @05:07PM (1 child)
US military members and veterans swore an oath to uphold the Constitution and thus frown upon many of the shenanigans our local/state/federal governments are doing. If the government goes complete totalitarian, the veterans are likely to be the group that provides the most resistance as they were combat trained, willing to sacrifice, able to commit to a mission, and follow orders to obtain a common goal yet still largely able think for themselves. Additionally, military members are heavily indoctrinated with US civics classes and blind patriotism. Vets are targeted because they will become dangerous when it is commonly known that the cake is blatantly a lie and voting, petitioning, and the courts are no longer able or willing to do anything about that. They see that they will still have the obligation to uphold the Constitution long after the government has publicly abandoned it.
Vets also tend to operate better under high stress environments. A typically day may include blowing up shit that you've been told to blow up while receiving incoming fire and your friends are getting blown up. That's the whole point of bootcamp--ween out the snowflakes that can't handle stress. There's no safe spaces in bootcamp--except perhaps the air force.
cats~$ sudo chown -R us /home/base
(Score: 2) by requerdanos on Wednesday May 09 2018, @05:50PM
This is a very insightful and wise statement.
Long live the constitution of the united States of America.
(Score: 2) by srobert on Sunday April 29 2018, @02:45PM
Where are they moving from? Where in the U.S. are they moving to? NYC is different from Cedar Rapids, Las Vegas is different from Nome, Alaska. If they're thinking of moving from Sweden, they should probably stay where they are. If they're thinking of moving from Yemen, they should probably jump at the chance to move anywhere.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 29 2018, @11:28PM
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by requerdanos on Wednesday May 02 2018, @01:53PM (6 children)
The 2018 data show a definite downward trend.
Active From Title Votes Visualized Popularity
01-Jan-2018 Which browser... 228 ***********************
05-Feb-2018 How Many OS's... 215 **********************
02-Mar-2018 Programming Font... 205 *********************
01-Apr-2018 Toilet Paper... 198 ********************
26-Apr-2018 Yeah, Nah, Yeah... 59 ******
Although the abysmal Yeah, Nah, Yeah, What Does That Even Mean poll has not concluded and its numbers are theoretically possible to rise, given the meaningless choices, they are unlikely to do so by a substantial amount. Leaving us with the deduction that:
Soylent polls suck more and more over time.
Hint to the cute, clever people having so much fun making these polls: The polls are popular when they are "fun", not when they "completely suck". Please re-evaluate your choices in light of this.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 02 2018, @03:54PM
Number of responses is another measure of how popular a poll is. But for this poll a lot of responses were posted just to talk about how bad the poll is. so maybe not.
(Score: 2) by OrugTor on Wednesday May 02 2018, @04:34PM (1 child)
Have you suggested possible polls? Or are you not cute or clever enough?
(Score: 2) by requerdanos on Wednesday May 02 2018, @05:15PM
Well, having started looking at the data, let's delve a little deeper.
So pretty poor output all around. But still, the data are definitely suggestive.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Monday May 14 2018, @08:08AM (2 children)
You posted that just a few days after it went live, and now it's up to 103.
Polls never close, so it's only natural that newer ones would have less votes.
[SIG] 10/28/2017: Soylent Upgrade v14 [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by requerdanos on Monday May 14 2018, @04:17PM (1 child)
At that time I said "they are unlikely to do so by a substantial amount", and of course only time will tell. The previous poll had about double that at the end of its featured run, which this one won't, by reason of suckage.
Although the "it's only natural" defense has some tendencies towards truth, they're only that.
Once I was in an auto accident in which I was driving and someone backed out of their driveway, into the road, smashing into my driver-side door and pushing my car off the road.
After the "repairs" were complete, the seat belt didn't work properly anymore. Instead of resting while in use, and retracting when the door was opened, it thought the door was always open and always pulled itself trying to retract. This was damage caused by the accident that was not repaired by the body shop.
They refused to repair it, claiming in arbitration that since the driver's door gets more use than other doors, "it's only natural" that it would degrade before the other doors did.
In other words, the body shop used that phrase in order to more fully suck.
Be careful with it!
(Score: 2) by requerdanos on Tuesday May 22 2018, @04:34PM
Self-reply to document the datum that it finished off that featured run at around 138 votes. The reader may choose to interpret that as "Almost as much as other polls" or as "hmm, less than other polls finish their featured run with" as he or she chooses.
One thing's for sure, 103 * 2 != 138.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by OrugTor on Wednesday May 02 2018, @04:32PM
If you are a young straight male in the UK then definitely yes. Remember the Brit in "Love Actually" who went to the US? True story.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @04:11AM
Speaking as a foreign devil, the rest of the world outside the US can burn.
1. Cost of living is so dirt low, even in major west coast cities (how does poverty even exist there?)
2. Low low low taxes!
3. Everything doesn't include insane delivery charges!
4. Everything is made with legendary quality, even if it was really made in China!
5. Drinkable tap water! (Most places, but this is one of the more magical western world experiences)
6. Holy shit! People speak and understand English!
7. FREEDOM to have opinions!
I'd definitely hug the ground while praising the American Founding Fathers again if I made I could afford to visit the US again, or an H1B visa.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by cubancigar11 on Monday May 07 2018, @04:13AM
If you are above average - doesn't matter in which department - then yes by all means yes. USA is all about making money by selling stuff, and being of above average intelligence or height or body or dick size or looks are all things that you can sell. If you want to realize that kind of opportunities, YES by all means YES.
Otherwise, if you are just some average person who wants to live a quite contained life without anybody bothering you, Netherlands might be a good idea. If not that, then you can go to western European countries by chosing what you want to sacrifice: humanity - go to any nordic countries, lack of racism - go to France, opportunities - go to Germany, sanity - go to Spain).
If you just want to live with white people - you can go to Australia, that land of racism and lack of opportunities. Or you can buy some better race relations by losing more opportunities in nearby New Zealand.
If you don't want racism and want money, you can chose to sacrifice your health and go to Hong Kong. If you want racism and don't want a lot of money and don't want freedom but want a European lifestyle you can go to China. Or you can trade European lifestyle with freedom and go to India.
If you want huge loads of money and work in petroleum, then you can go to Africa.
No idea about South America and South Africa.
(Score: 2) by requerdanos on Monday May 14 2018, @05:32PM
Probably the most insightful material in this poll's discussion is buried in a post which is quite properly modded "Troll".
An excerpt:
Indeed.
The curious can read the full EF insult-and-racism laden comment #672845 [soylentnews.org], but for those who only want the wheat, not the chaff, here it is.