Didn't see the option for opensource enthusiast computer company neutered the Intel ME.
or did they?
Why not both? My understanding is they can't get it all but they do get a lot.
Now that you'v'e got the results for which exploitable CPU is most used here when's the attack come? :-)
How about a poll like:
Which glows the brightest when supplied with a sufficiently high voltage and current:* Light bulbs* Vacuum tubes* Crystal oscillators* Transistors* Integrated Circuits* EEPROMs* LEDs* Other (Specify)
with a sufficiently high voltage and current
I think the best way to pull this off would be to vaporize the component and use that ion channel to start an arc and just go with an old fashioned arc lamp using the LED as a sacrificial part to start it. Lots of light, current and voltage.
All LEDs can be light emitting, at least once.
Then we move on to light emitting resistors. Especially the 15 ohm 1/4 watt variety. Ah, brown, green, black.
After preliminary research in the area of light emitting resistors, the principle investigator's wife said that further experiments in the field of light emitting resistors must be moved to the garage.
Ugh, I meant all diodes can be light emitting, at least once.
Ah yes that sounds like fun. As a teenager I did a lot of experiments with car batteries and light emitting strips of aluminum foil. Great stuff!
Need to add Annoying Users to the list.
That suggests that in addition to measuring brightness data must also be collected on which one makes the most noise or yells the loudest.
Nah, that's just an enjoyable side effect. Like fractals being pretty when plotted.
You want to set the poll to make it a contest you have good odds of winning? ;)
Well it won't work. Won't mention any names, but there's some stiff competition around here.
Nice. Best reply all day.
Future Poll Suggestion
Which one shines the brightest when subjected to a sufficiently high voltage and current:* ARM* Intel x86 (with Management Engine)* AMD x86 (with Platform Security Processor)* Pre-2008 Intel or Pre-2013 AMD (or any models without known backdoors)* POWER or PowerPC* RISC-V* MIPS or SPARC* None of the above (comment your answer)
High voltage and current would turn an LED into a DED, a Dark Emitting Diode.
The brightest light source is a thermonuclear explosion.
No, the brightest light source, as far as we can tell, is a sufficiently well fed supermassive black hole. [wikipedia.org]
That feels like a joke
"Yo mamma so fat she's the brightest object in the universe"
How about a poll like: Which glows the brightest when supplied with a sufficiently high voltage and current:
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Polls that ask factual instead of opinion-based questions (i.e., Which city is the farthest from NYC? Buffalo, NY; Rochester, NY; Sydney, Australia, etc., or Which glows the brightest when electrified) tend to rate as "lame" and "pointless" and, while they reveal something about the general level of knowledge of the base of respondents, don't reveal much else.
We already know that (a) almost everyone on the Internet is an idiot, and (b) almost everyone on this site is a genius; thus, such a poll is unlikely to serve any useful purpose.
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It is (perhaps not) obviously intended to be funny. It might make a good April 1 poll.
Here's my suggestion for April 1st: What is your favorite type of fuse?
I realize this is one over the permitted 8 options, but I couldn't in good conscience merge 1 and 2. I'll let the editors do that.
You forgot the "I don't use fuses you insensitive clod" option. Fry everything! Burn down the whole lab, melt the transformers and knock out the power to the entire neighborhood for a week.
Most components are self fusing.
Damn, I like that one. Dropping it in #editorial on IRC.
i'm upset that my favorite type of fuse, 'cannon', is not listed.
with the write application to the cannonball delivery stack, one can learn a whole lot about compression and payload delivery and packet fragmentation! (pun intended--whoever heard of a useful read only ballistic device?)
What do you have canon fuse for, Bert?
Free Unix Spectrum Emulator [sourceforge.net]
this text added to make this post "more original" :-)
That's actually pretty good.
Also see the top level post which says:
Shouldn't the first poll option be ARM (with TrustZone [arm.com])?
I don't know if there are ARM models in use without TrustZone. So I just didn't care.
Really, I would love the ability to have more than 8 poll options, excessive as it may be.
I'm pretty sure there are models in use without TrustZone as it is not available on the oldest ARM processors. However, I don't know which models do or do not implement it, and my search engine skills are failing to let me find out easily.
As for more poll options - I would not object. On the other hand, it can be an engaging exercise to construct a poll that fits within the constraints. In any event, they are not exactly rigorous, but they do serve to generate interesting talking points.
Various Intel Atom CPUs do contain Management Engine. I'm having trouble finding a full list though. Maybe Intel is poisoning the search results.
BayTrail forwards had the TXE: https://www.win-raid.com/t624f39-Intel-Trusted-Execution-Engine-Drivers-Firmware-amp-System-Tools.html [win-raid.com]
And in fact TrustZone is disabled on ANY ARM processor whose bootstrap doesn't use a signed kernel, last I checked.
If the stage0 bootloader doesn't authenticate the stage1 bootloader/kernel as authentic to the vendor key then TrustZone is never initialized.
This is because TrustZone is only truly used for device encryption and media/software company DRM, neither of which is considered trustworthy if the end user has control of it. Bugs in it that allow 3rd parties to exploit it are preferable to end user control, because the end user is the product and financial extraction target, not the customer.
An Apple IIgs to read Soylent via Contiki and an Uthernet II. Does that make me a masochist?
No, that's well within the standard SN weirdness range.
Why can't be both?
An Apple IIgs
That's the one that makes the "boing"/"bonk" sound instead of a plain "beep", right?
An Apple IIgsThat's the one that makes the "boing"/"bonk" sound instead of a plain "beep", right?
With an Ensoniq DOC5503 on board that's the least you should expect.
You link them to these poll results and ask them about their vote.
I would like to run a variation of this poll every year to see if the results change over time.
Problem is that if you want a decent computer these days it comes with crap on the CPU.Maybe in time better options will be available. For today, the ME can be neutered on some types.
Maybe in time better options will be available.
I have my doubts. Witness the number of mobile devices sold with invasive spying applications. I suspect that it will become more and more difficult to find good options.
Start with a 4(3.75-3 usable) gigabyte memory capable pentium motherboard. Include PCI, USB 1.1 (2.0 if it is out of patent), ISA. Ensure it emulates 8059 ps2 keyboard/mouse ports (it can internally run a usb stack and convert HID devices to these, but it must be separate from the actual usb stack/bus). iCE40 FPGAs have up to a theoretical 1066mb/s of throughput at 533@16 bit width. That should be enough to run 2-3 full speed PCI slots/busses, ISA, plus have an SDRAM memory controller attached (maybe even DDR, but SDRAM is out of patent now both dimms and bare SDRAM chips are still cheap enough to produce new parts.)
With this hardware stack you will have a system capable of operating most software without mandatory SSE2/AVX/NX bit support, have enough ram to keep a modern multitasking OS running, and show there is demand for user controlled systems. If you want to get really badass, there is no reason 64 bit BAR support, IOMMU, or other features can't be added, so long as you adhere to the pre-i686 AT system expectations, and provide emulation modes for the expected devices of that era. Plus if you add 64 bit BAR support, with PCI to PCIe bridging you can begin supporting modern 64 bit only devices on your 32 bit system, leaving the way open for either a Super Socket 7 x86_64 chip, or even an fpga update of the system with protocol level compatibility for all modern system features, but over unpatented bus technology.
- Digital Open Hardware Luddite Kook
Mmmmmm. I see "pentium" yada yada yada, uh-huh, alright, OK, then "super socket 7". Right there, you have me.
I took a Super Socket 7, with an AMD 450 mobile, slightly overclocked it (I think I clocked to 515, can't remember for certain if that's the "stable" speed I settled on), provided a full gig of PC-150 memory, and installed WinXP on it. With careful tweaking, I could convince the less savvy user that he was running an Athlon class computer. You would never convince the tech savvy of that, but the machine was far more responsive, and seemingly faster than the new-at-the-time 1 ghz Athlon chips. Later, it held it's own against the Athlon XP chip, at some slightly higher CPU speed. By the time the Athlons reached 2 Ghz, I gave in and bought my own Athlon, and retired the Super Socket 7.
If you could resurrect that kind of sweetness, I would certainly drive it!
Just in case anyone thinks PowerPC is obsolete or only the domain of IBM big iron, they might want to check out the Talos II: https://www.raptorcs.com/TALOSII/ [raptorcs.com] No back doors either.
I ended up purchasing an AmigaOne X5000 [amigaonthelake.com] in between the failed crowdfunding of the original TALOS and the announcement of the TALOS II. It is an interesting system, but now with the cheaper options from Raptor it is hard to recommend. Even if you want to try out Amiga OS4 or MorphOS, G5 MacPros are considerably cheaper and likely more powerful (both computationally and wattage).
My two main machines are both 2009 models and have the last Core 2 Duo, "Penryn" in them. I guess they have all kinds of backdoors and unpatched exploits between ring -1 and the chipset, but I'm not sure if their old AMT units count as "proper" ME, so I didn't vote yet. That proto-ME stuff must have been there before the "pre-2008" that can be voted, I really don't know about the specifics.
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Firefox is my CPU. It is a full virtual machine in all it's horrific glory. All hail the web overlord!
But what is Firefox running on? The cloud?
I use my iPhone.
Intel 86 with disabled Management Engine
Kindle Fire 1st Gen. Texas Instruments Dual-core OMAP4 2x ARM Cortex-A9 @1.0GHz. Last nightly CyanogenMod.
I use the Cloud to browse SN. What do I use to connect to the cloud? Blockchains of course. CPUs are for neanderthals.
It's clouds all the way down
Kaby Lake i5 with BIOS modded by me_cleaner, so ME is turned off.