Don't complain about lack of options. You've got to pick a few when you do multiple choice. Those are the breaks.
Feel free to suggest poll ideas if you're feeling creative. I'd strongly suggest reading the past polls first.
This whole thing is wildly inaccurate. Rounding errors, ballot stuffers, dynamic IPs, firewalls. If you're using these numbers to do anything important, you're insane.
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That's not the most notable part of effort, as the time the pint gets lighter is negligible.
Howevs, carrying those barrel equivalents to the toilet while clamping shut your sphincters muscles until the moment... oh, man, that's quite a serious expenditure of calories. And after, what an exhausted man can do?
Lately it's 40+ hours. Churches don't turn into houses on their own and the riding mower is in the shop. It's really cutting into my vidya and nap times.
-- My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 10 2019, @10:11AM
(2 children)
by Anonymous Coward
on Thursday October 10 2019, @10:11AM (#905136)
Vidya is a Sanskrit noun meaning "right knowledge" or "clarity". It is frequently used in Hinduism implying the Puranic conception of knowledge and learning.
bigod, that troll was so subtle I had to google to understand it. Well Done You
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 10 2019, @10:23AM
by Anonymous Coward
on Thursday October 10 2019, @10:23AM (#905141)
The word Puranic literally means "ancient, old", and it is a vast genre of Indian literature about a wide range of topics, particularly myths, legends and other traditional lore.
Not sure a long walk from the parking lot to the store really counts. At least, not where it counts. Now, if you're on a mission in the store, and just go, go, go, sure, that might count along with your long walk to/from the parking lot. A leisurely stroll from the parking lot into the store and back out, isn't going to do you a whole lot of good. Always parking up front and minimizing your walk time, sure isn't going to do you any favors, though.
-- Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
Noooooooooooo! I have a grueling 10 minute commute to work with 5 (formerly 3) traffic lights. Despite that misery, I like keeping home at home and work at work. Including not having a company phone. People do have my number so I could be reached in the event of a catastrophic event, such as a Windows Update.
-- The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.
I've never exercised for the sake of exercise. Instead, I've lived an active life. I have "exercised" more in a single day's work, than some have exercised in a month.
BUT - I no longer do the jobs that I used to do. Hmmmm. Maybe I should start exercising for the sake of exercise. Two or three minutes of somewhat strenuous activity counts for diddly-squat in terms of exercise. If you don't get the heart beating rapidly, and maintain that for 20 minutes or more, it just doesn't count.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday September 30 2019, @04:35AM
(9 children)
TMB, you should dump c0lo for someone that appreciates your uniqueness
I think you're very very confused for reasons that escapes my knowledge (and I really like it this way, don't feel compelled to tell me why)
Here's how it hangs: by his own admission [soylentnews.org], TMB is bound (at least sentimentally, but very likely not only... whatever float his boat, really, I'm not judging) in his neck of the woods by his beloved financial overlords and thus he really-really can't give a fuck. Any other point in regards with TMB's sexual life becomes moot.
Does riding an electric bike count? Even if you don't pedal? How about parking in the furthest corner of the parking lot at work and then taking the stairs? Do you have to break a sweat? What about doing work in a hot/humid environment that doesn't involve much cardio or static muscle tension, but does produce a ton of sweat?
For the past month, I've had some nasty sinus thing with associated body aches - low grade, but enough to make me tired all the time, more than if I exercised vigorously - do I get a pass from working the stairmaster for that?
Riding an electric bike that does the hard work for you, won't do you much good. If you literally don't pedal, it's not any better than riding a scooter. Depending on how long the parking lot is and how many stairs you climb, it can definitely be helpful. Certainly better than parking up front and taking the elevator. Working in a hot/humid environment will likely help you burn some calories, but you're more likely to just get dehydrated. Also, make sure you replenish the salt/enzymes you're sweating out!
-- Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
Riding an electric bike that does the hard work for you, won't do you much good.
Plenty of research (no doubt funded by e-bike makers) says otherwise.
I've got a bum knee, just pedaling with no resistance inflames the tendons, so all I get from my e-bike is a bit of neurological exercise going through the acts of riding, dodging obstacles, etc. But, they say that the people who use pedal assist are still getting the bulk of the exercise benefits, possibly more so because they do it more often than they would without the assist.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 03 2019, @03:03PM
by Anonymous Coward
on Thursday October 03 2019, @03:03PM (#902292)
If you make an effort to ride hard and fast, you can get quite a good core exercise from just balancing on the bike. You would have to check your heart rate to determine if you got any good cardio in though. It's too bad that we don't have a good way to restore cartilage and repair joints yet as that would allow so many to have a much better quality of life.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 30 2019, @06:30AM
(3 children)
by Anonymous Coward
on Monday September 30 2019, @06:30AM (#900711)
Most adult land mammals shouldn't need to run fast for more than a total of 10 minutes a day.
If you're being chased by a predator you've either escaped in less than 2-10 minutes or you're dead and in no longer need of any exercise. If you keep getting chased then you probably will die soon for the greater good of the herd/species.
If you're doing the chasing and you need to run for hours every day to catch food[1] you're doing things wrong.
[1] This of course does not apply for cases like War where the predator and prey species are the same and thus have similar running speeds, and the immediate goal is not food...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 03 2019, @03:07PM
by Anonymous Coward
on Thursday October 03 2019, @03:07PM (#902297)
You have a point, but the main reason "exercise for exercise's sake" is a thing is that food is too easily available.
But if you get more exercise than the average land mammal, you can keep yourself out of the "no longer needs exercise" category for a longer period of time.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @10:36AM
by Anonymous Coward
on Tuesday October 08 2019, @10:36AM (#904021)
Nah you just need to hang around Americans. Then you can stay way below in fitness than the average land mammal and still be out of the "no longer needs exercise" category for relatively longer periods.
Two discoveries I've made using a heart rate monitor:
1) Weight lifting is better cardio than cardio itself. Higher heart rates, for longer periods, less (no) joint pain, no tendon/ligament damage. Note that I OHP just under 200 pounds... you can't work up a sweat or get a high heart rate if you're only pressing 20 pound dumbbells because you're not physically dumping enough energy. This is an interesting aspect of weight lifting that is rarely discussed... you don't need to jog once you're big because your heart will get the same workout as jogging once your muscles are strong enough to exhaust you... I used to elliptical but over 45 minutes killed my ankles and knees and I got better cardio from lifting so my doctor was like "well, stop using the elliptical, then, you idiot" although somewhat more politely.
2) Lots of posts asking if daily living counts. According to my heart rate monitor, yeah, I do like 30 minutes a day of strenuous walking or hard work or some crazy woodworking project requiring brute strength. My fitbit watch thingie reports to the minute, in fact. So yeah, unless you're SUPER ULTRA sedentary, you're probably doing cardio for a half hour a day, sure. I moved over 1000 pounds of salt bags down my driveway, stairs, stacked in basement, filled the water softener, etc, and that got me a couple minutes of cardio level workout, for example.
Its really late at night for me, I might be pretty spaced out but I believe the above to be accurate-ish.
(Score: 2) by arslan on Sunday October 20 2019, @10:34PM
You can get injured though when you are lifting significant loads and you have bad form or just bad natural posture. Sometimes it develops slowly over the course of time as the muscle imbalance slowly builds up and you get joint inflammation in other parts like your elbows or knees or back. Worse case, by the time you feel it, it is already chronic and because it is over time, it is not easy to self-diagnose.
I do lifting as well for my weight management. Been doing it for the last 15 years. Lost close to 20kg the first couple years I started without any sort of cardio and been doing it as maintenance ever since.
Does walking upstairs to the kitchen count? If so, I need to change my vote.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 10 2019, @10:30AM
by Anonymous Coward
on Thursday October 10 2019, @10:30AM (#905145)
This whole thing is wildly inaccurate. Rounding errors, ballot stuffers, dynamic IPs, firewalls. If you're using these numbers to do anything important, you're insane.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 26 2019, @08:14PM (3 children)
I don't want people to think I'm jogging.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Friday September 27 2019, @11:33AM (2 children)
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 3, Insightful) by dltaylor on Saturday September 28 2019, @09:58PM (1 child)
of course, and add in all of bicep curls lifting the pints (Imperial pints are heavier than the weak US version).
(Score: 3, Funny) by c0lo on Monday September 30 2019, @04:27AM
That's not the most notable part of effort, as the time the pint gets lighter is negligible.
Howevs, carrying those barrel equivalents to the toilet while clamping shut your sphincters muscles until the moment... oh, man, that's quite a serious expenditure of calories.
And after, what an exhausted man can do?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 3, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday September 27 2019, @03:30AM (3 children)
Lately it's 40+ hours. Churches don't turn into houses on their own and the riding mower is in the shop. It's really cutting into my vidya and nap times.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 10 2019, @10:11AM (2 children)
bigod, that troll was so subtle I had to google to understand it.
Well Done You
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 10 2019, @10:23AM
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 10 2019, @01:40PM
More of a pun than a troll nowadays, being as it also means "video games" in the modern vernacular.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 4, Touché) by dltaylor on Friday September 27 2019, @10:25AM (2 children)
I often park a long walk from a store while shopping, or use stairs instead of an elevator, which burns a few extra calories.
I will do some trails (3 - 8 km) when visiting State and National Parks.
I have broken up ice and shoveled a clear path for guests on a long (100+ meter) driveway.
I do not do anything at a gym.
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Monday September 30 2019, @06:38PM
Not sure a long walk from the parking lot to the store really counts. At least, not where it counts. Now, if you're on a mission in the store, and just go, go, go, sure, that might count along with your long walk to/from the parking lot. A leisurely stroll from the parking lot into the store and back out, isn't going to do you a whole lot of good. Always parking up front and minimizing your walk time, sure isn't going to do you any favors, though.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 19 2019, @03:23PM
Came here to ask this too (definition of exercise).
My arm/elbow and jaw muscles get an extreme workout as I shove glorious fatty foods into my mouth every minute I am awake.
(Score: 2) by WizardFusion on Saturday September 28 2019, @10:29AM (4 children)
I walk to work and back
(Score: 3, Funny) by c0lo on Monday September 30 2019, @04:31AM
I carry the back with me most of the time, no need to walk to it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by stretch611 on Sunday October 06 2019, @04:48PM (1 child)
Its a great thing to work from home!!!
Now with 5 covid vaccine shots/boosters altering my DNA :P
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday October 07 2019, @08:58PM
Noooooooooooo! I have a grueling 10 minute commute to work with 5 (formerly 3) traffic lights. Despite that misery, I like keeping home at home and work at work. Including not having a company phone. People do have my number so I could be reached in the event of a catastrophic event, such as a Windows Update.
The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 10 2019, @10:16AM
A twit at work who is at least twice as heavy as she should be always takes the elevator. Go figure.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday September 29 2019, @04:45PM (10 children)
I've never exercised for the sake of exercise. Instead, I've lived an active life. I have "exercised" more in a single day's work, than some have exercised in a month.
BUT - I no longer do the jobs that I used to do. Hmmmm. Maybe I should start exercising for the sake of exercise. Two or three minutes of somewhat strenuous activity counts for diddly-squat in terms of exercise. If you don't get the heart beating rapidly, and maintain that for 20 minutes or more, it just doesn't count.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday September 30 2019, @04:35AM (9 children)
Now that sex is off the table... I have to ask: do you think the effort after, to get yourself back on your feet from from under the table, counts?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday September 30 2019, @05:09AM (5 children)
??? After sex? So, you were doing it on the kitchen table? Try the clothes washer next time, you won't fall under it.
(Score: 3, Funny) by c0lo on Monday September 30 2019, @05:25AM (4 children)
Kitchen? No, you silly.
On the periodic table of elements. It broke, though, so we needed to do it under.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday September 30 2019, @05:32AM (3 children)
Well, that's a near guarantee that she will miss her next period. I hope that was your intention.
(Score: 3, Touché) by c0lo on Monday September 30 2019, @05:35AM (2 children)
Non sequitur.
In fact, as you grow heavier, the periods just become longer. A thing with orbitals and whatnow, don't strain you mind with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 22 2019, @04:38AM (1 child)
<insert yo mama orbital joke here>
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 22 2019, @12:00PM
"Houston, we don't have liftoff."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 10 2019, @10:21AM (2 children)
Fine, deny your Life Partner sex, but, did you have to announce it in public on an internet forum?
TMB, you should dump c0lo for someone that appreciates your uniqueness
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday October 10 2019, @11:52AM (1 child)
I think you're very very confused for reasons that escapes my knowledge (and I really like it this way, don't feel compelled to tell me why)
Here's how it hangs: by his own admission [soylentnews.org], TMB is bound (at least sentimentally, but very likely not only... whatever float his boat, really, I'm not judging) in his neck of the woods by his beloved financial overlords and thus he really-really can't give a fuck.
Any other point in regards with TMB's sexual life becomes moot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1) by Sulla on Thursday October 10 2019, @08:14PM
Part of his SN contract is that moving to a different state will cut his pay by a significant percentage
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Monday September 30 2019, @01:54AM (8 children)
Does riding an electric bike count? Even if you don't pedal? How about parking in the furthest corner of the parking lot at work and then taking the stairs? Do you have to break a sweat? What about doing work in a hot/humid environment that doesn't involve much cardio or static muscle tension, but does produce a ton of sweat?
For the past month, I've had some nasty sinus thing with associated body aches - low grade, but enough to make me tired all the time, more than if I exercised vigorously - do I get a pass from working the stairmaster for that?
🌻🌻 [google.com]
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday September 30 2019, @04:37AM
If you actually mean "running a count of electric bikes", it may... depending on how many ebikes you need to count.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday September 30 2019, @05:13AM
Sadly, no, it doesn't count. If it did count, I could claim more than twenty hours per week of exercise.
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Monday September 30 2019, @06:45PM (5 children)
Riding an electric bike that does the hard work for you, won't do you much good. If you literally don't pedal, it's not any better than riding a scooter. Depending on how long the parking lot is and how many stairs you climb, it can definitely be helpful. Certainly better than parking up front and taking the elevator. Working in a hot/humid environment will likely help you burn some calories, but you're more likely to just get dehydrated. Also, make sure you replenish the salt/enzymes you're sweating out!
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Monday September 30 2019, @07:02PM (4 children)
Plenty of research (no doubt funded by e-bike makers) says otherwise.
I've got a bum knee, just pedaling with no resistance inflames the tendons, so all I get from my e-bike is a bit of neurological exercise going through the acts of riding, dodging obstacles, etc. But, they say that the people who use pedal assist are still getting the bulk of the exercise benefits, possibly more so because they do it more often than they would without the assist.
🌻🌻 [google.com]
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Monday September 30 2019, @07:09PM (2 children)
Swimming / pool exercises aren't as hard on the joints. Most people don't have a nice pool in their backyard, though.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 10 2019, @10:13AM
just get a hammer or knife
using a swimming pool on joints is just nuts it will just crush the lot
idiot
(Score: 2) by coolgopher on Tuesday October 22 2019, @04:39AM
Maintaining a backyard pool provides plenty of exercise too...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 03 2019, @03:03PM
If you make an effort to ride hard and fast, you can get quite a good core exercise from just balancing on the bike. You would have to check your heart rate to determine if you got any good cardio in though. It's too bad that we don't have a good way to restore cartilage and repair joints yet as that would allow so many to have a much better quality of life.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 30 2019, @06:30AM (3 children)
Most adult land mammals shouldn't need to run fast for more than a total of 10 minutes a day.
If you're being chased by a predator you've either escaped in less than 2-10 minutes or you're dead and in no longer need of any exercise. If you keep getting chased then you probably will die soon for the greater good of the herd/species.
If you're doing the chasing and you need to run for hours every day to catch food[1] you're doing things wrong.
See also: https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/15/how-1-minute-intervals-can-improve-our-health/ [nytimes.com]
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/fitness/expert-answers/exercise/faq-20057916 [mayoclinic.org]
[1] This of course does not apply for cases like War where the predator and prey species are the same and thus have similar running speeds, and the immediate goal is not food...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 03 2019, @03:07PM
You have a point, but the main reason "exercise for exercise's sake" is a thing is that food is too easily available.
(Score: 2) by Rupert Pupnick on Friday October 04 2019, @07:58PM (1 child)
But if you get more exercise than the average land mammal, you can keep yourself out of the "no longer needs exercise" category for a longer period of time.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @10:36AM
(Score: 3, Interesting) by VLM on Tuesday October 01 2019, @11:40PM (1 child)
Two discoveries I've made using a heart rate monitor:
1) Weight lifting is better cardio than cardio itself. Higher heart rates, for longer periods, less (no) joint pain, no tendon/ligament damage. Note that I OHP just under 200 pounds... you can't work up a sweat or get a high heart rate if you're only pressing 20 pound dumbbells because you're not physically dumping enough energy. This is an interesting aspect of weight lifting that is rarely discussed... you don't need to jog once you're big because your heart will get the same workout as jogging once your muscles are strong enough to exhaust you... I used to elliptical but over 45 minutes killed my ankles and knees and I got better cardio from lifting so my doctor was like "well, stop using the elliptical, then, you idiot" although somewhat more politely.
2) Lots of posts asking if daily living counts. According to my heart rate monitor, yeah, I do like 30 minutes a day of strenuous walking or hard work or some crazy woodworking project requiring brute strength. My fitbit watch thingie reports to the minute, in fact. So yeah, unless you're SUPER ULTRA sedentary, you're probably doing cardio for a half hour a day, sure. I moved over 1000 pounds of salt bags down my driveway, stairs, stacked in basement, filled the water softener, etc, and that got me a couple minutes of cardio level workout, for example.
Its really late at night for me, I might be pretty spaced out but I believe the above to be accurate-ish.
(Score: 2) by arslan on Sunday October 20 2019, @10:34PM
You can get injured though when you are lifting significant loads and you have bad form or just bad natural posture. Sometimes it develops slowly over the course of time as the muscle imbalance slowly builds up and you get joint inflammation in other parts like your elbows or knees or back. Worse case, by the time you feel it, it is already chronic and because it is over time, it is not easy to self-diagnose.
I do lifting as well for my weight management. Been doing it for the last 15 years. Lost close to 20kg the first couple years I started without any sort of cardio and been doing it as maintenance ever since.
(Score: 2) by EJ on Friday October 04 2019, @06:49PM (1 child)
Does walking upstairs to the kitchen count? If so, I need to change my vote.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 10 2019, @10:30AM
This whole thing is wildly inaccurate. Rounding errors, ballot stuffers, dynamic IPs, firewalls. If you're using these numbers to do anything important, you're insane.
(Score: 2) by stretch611 on Sunday October 06 2019, @05:02PM
I've traveled over 1000 km, crafted over 5000 items, and killed over 2500 zombies. [steamcommunity.com]
Does that count?
Now with 5 covid vaccine shots/boosters altering my DNA :P
(Score: 4, Interesting) by RedIsNotGreen on Friday October 11 2019, @10:35PM
Almost every day, wherever I am, I go for a walk and pick up small pieces of trash off the ground.
I think it is one of the most natural forms of exercise that we have been doing for ages-- walking and bending over to pick stuff up.
I know it used to be food and other useful things, but now there's more need to pick up trash, so that's what I do.
I estimate that I did at least 100 pieces today.
Sometimes I am rewarded with finding cool stuff.
(Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday October 12 2019, @12:14AM
Zero...point...zero.