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Azuma Hazuki (5086)

Azuma Hazuki
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Sapphic, sword-swinging schoolgirl seeking spacetime-sliding sister

Journal of Azuma Hazuki (5086)

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Saturday January 26, 19
08:05 AM
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Things I've noticed happen in the general vicinity of my posts:

- Fundie nutjobs reduced to curling up in a little ball, plugging their ears, and spewing either contentless religious copypasta (Freeman) or barely-coherent amateur apologia (Bot).
- The Shitey Uzzard degenerating into mudslinging and pretending (badly) not to care when defeated in arguments...every single one of them.
- Insecure manchildren accusing me of being a transsexual (some random AC) on one hand, and on the other, an actual transwoman accusing me of being a TERF (Kurenai).
- Creeps like VLM, KHallow, JMorris, Entropy, and all their kind simply giving the hell up and abandoning ship when faced with a proper down-smacking for their fallacious sociopathy.

When you have people on the fringes everywhere angry with you, each of them accusing you of the precise opposite on the spectrum they hate, you must be doing something right. In all my time here, I've never gone in for trolling, deception, or shitposting. I've always stood for what's right, and took the fight to those who would try to spread their noetic poisons, fighting it everywhere it appears for the sake of anyone unfortunate enough to encounter it, knowing full well the originators of such poison are by their own choice irredeemable, certainly so in this lifetime.

And my approach drives them nuttier than squirrel vomit.

Well boo fucking hoo. When someone on here tells me I'm bitchy or angry, I just laugh, because what they really mean is "you're making me uncomfortable by exposing my bullshit in such direct, uncompromising, profanity-laced ways." It's pretty obvious the accusations of being a transsexual come from sheltered, misogynist little manchildren who can't handle actual women speaking the plain, unvarnished truth to them, because they have so little truck with the opposite sex they've never seen it in the real world before. No, this insult to their manly honor cannot stand! ONLY another man could POSSIBLY have the balls, literal balls, to stand up to them! (And of course the kind of person who'd make this argument lumps MtFs under the heading of "man." I don't, though I do draw an important distinction between transwomen and cisgender women because, frankly, they are never going to know what it is to have a period or risk being pregnant).

Time to put on your big-boy undies and join the adult world! The toughest people I know are all women, including my own mother and some of the nurses at work. I'm a marshmallow compared to them.

And I don't regret anything, as painful as it's been sometimes. Am I a "nice girl?" No, and haven't been for several years, and you know what? It's better this way. "Nice girls" get used and taken advantage of and thrown away and never have their needs met. "Nice girls" are the permanent victims of tone trolling by people too frightened or too weak to deal with them as the full human beings they are. In this place, at this time, as this site sinks further and further into RWNJ decay, all it means is I'll fight all the harder.

What I hope this does is encourage the people on here who still seek the light to defend it. Hit back. We're seeing on a number of scales, from the President's capitulation on his stupid bullshit shutdown right down to the examples at the head of this post, that the sociopaths are like any bully: weak, cowardly, amoral types who don't expect and can't handle sustained, principled pushback. Part of it is that evil simply can't comprehend good, but mostly it comes down to how bullies work and have always worked. Anyone who wants to join me in fighting the good fight, please do: we've seen that it works.

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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by turgid on Saturday January 26 2019, @11:12AM (4 children)

    by turgid (4318) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 26 2019, @11:12AM (#792263) Journal

    Fight for Europe - or the wreckers will destroy it [theguardian.com]

    "The continent faces its biggest challenge since the 1930s. We urge European patriots to resist the nationalist onslaught "

    From the article: "Europe is being attacked by false prophets who are drunk on resentment, and delirious at their opportunity to seize the limelight. It has been abandoned by the two great allies who in the previous century twice saved it from suicide; one across the Channel and the other across the Atlantic. The continent is vulnerable to the increasingly brazen meddling by the occupant of the Kremlin. Europe as an idea is falling apart before our eyes."

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @01:21PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @01:21PM (#792275)

      Europe as an idea is falling apart before our eyes.

      Europe is a continent and the "idea of Europe" as a homogeneous political entity was the delusion of fascists and international socialists alike. The current sociopolitical landscape is the direct product of a corrupt sociopolitical class [politico.eu] to which the ill informed authors of that wretched article belong.

      "Parents wonder why the streams are bitter, when they themselves poison the fountain." ― John Locke

      • (Score: 4, Interesting) by turgid on Saturday January 26 2019, @01:25PM (1 child)

        by turgid (4318) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 26 2019, @01:25PM (#792277) Journal

        A nice piece of brave anonymous alt-wrong stupid signalling. Here, have a -1 Flamebait. You're welcome.

        • (Score: -1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @03:00PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @03:00PM (#792312)

          Europe hasn't had an idea since they sent a drunken Dego off to find India.

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @11:57PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @11:57PM (#792489)

        One would hope the authors of the linked piece realize that the toboggan ride we are on is a Trotsky toboggan ride.

  • (Score: 3, Funny) by realDonaldTrump on Saturday January 26 2019, @02:12PM (1 child)

    by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Saturday January 26 2019, @02:12PM (#792286) Homepage Journal

    "Winners never quit. And quitters never win." Vince Lombardi.

    I am doing exactly what I pledged to do, and what I was elected to do by the citizens of Wisconsin. And of our great Country.

    I'm fighting very hard for the Border Security we need so badly. And I wish people would read or listen to my words on the Border Wall. I signed, very proudly, the Further Additional Continuing Appropriations Act, 2019. This was in no way a concession. It was taking care of millions of people who were getting badly hurt by the Shutdown with the understanding that in 21 days, if no deal is done, it’s off to the races. The Unilateral.

    The Transgenders, don't worry about them. Because we've been fighting hard. And we just won a great Order from SC. From my new SC with Neil and Bart. And it's not the last word. But it's very positive. We want to, as you know -- as I tweeted -- ban the Transgenders from my Military. They're not banned yet. SC says they can still be in there while we go through the courts with that one. But they have to go as what they were born as. The way they were born. Whether it was boy or girl. Not what they want to be.

    I'm getting very tough on Opioid, the Heroin & Fentanyl that come flying over our Southern Border in 60-pound sacks. And the prescription -- the Pill Mills. 2015, the opioid cost $500 billion. Drained from our Country's coffers. And cost a lot of lives. A lot of lives. Mary Randel of Madison lost her wonderful and talented son Dylan to the Opioid scourge. We are fighting this terrible epidemic hard. Trust me, Dylan will not have died in vain!

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday January 26 2019, @07:00PM

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday January 26 2019, @07:00PM (#792398) Journal

      Shut the fuck up, Donny, you're out of your element.

      --
      I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @02:15PM (57 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @02:15PM (#792287)

    You constantly call people with different politics than you racist, violent, amoral, sociopathic, etc., etc. Yet here you are talking about /other people/ mudslinging. You're not "fighting the good fight". You're fighting the fight the oppressors want us to fight. The fight that divides the common people and keeps the oppressor comfortable in their position of power. You are being led by your prejudice, and that road doesn't lead to light. As a lifelong leftist, this is why I can't support you. You're a right-winger with a persecution complex and delusions about what social justice really is. You're obviously not stupid so stop acting like you are.

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @02:48PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @02:48PM (#792306)

      You're not "fighting the good fight". You're fighting the fight the oppressors want us to fight. The fight that divides the common people and keeps the oppressor comfortable in their position of power.

      Speaking as an independent observer, that's not what I see.

      You are being led by your prejudice, and that road doesn't lead to light.

      No, not prejudice, but there is strong emotion on show, which is not necessarily a bad thing since it is constructively directed and those who would bully and oppress. Others might not be courageous enough to do so. We are fortunate that some are.

      As a lifelong leftist, this is why I can't support you.

      An interesting turn of phrase which leads me to believe that you are not a "leftist" at all (whatever that is).

      You're a right-winger with a persecution complex and delusions about what social justice really is

      I see an intelligent and concerned citizen standing up for freedom, human rights, enlightenment, democracy and so on.

      You're obviously not stupid so stop acting like you are.

      Not everyone's personal style may be to your taste. That does not mean they are "acting stupid."

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by acid andy on Saturday January 26 2019, @03:30PM (52 children)

      by acid andy (1683) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 26 2019, @03:30PM (#792324) Homepage Journal

      You constantly call people with different politics than you racist, violent, amoral, sociopathic, etc., etc.

      I've only see her do that when they actually are those things! If you can find an example where she's calling them one of those things and they aren't then by all means share it, but--here's the catch--you have to explain why you think they aren't.

      --
      Master of the science of the art of the science of art.
      • (Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @05:57PM (49 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @05:57PM (#792369)

        Why? Because these are random people on the internet making arguments about politics. There is nothing immoral about holding a capitalist worldview - and nothing wrong with looking out for oneself or providing for your family in a world which is fundamentally dog-eat-dog and unfair. But she recently told Sulla he was selfish and had his head up his ass because he was happy about being closer to buying a house where he could raise his children. That's not fair - that's haterism.

        • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @06:30PM (17 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @06:30PM (#792380)

          You are wrong on pretty much all counts. Amazing how someone's emotions can cause them to lose all reading comprehension.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @06:33PM (16 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @06:33PM (#792381)

            Please, correct me then.

            • (Score: 5, Informative) by aristarchus on Saturday January 26 2019, @07:55PM (15 children)

              by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday January 26 2019, @07:55PM (#792415) Journal

              The strategy, as I see it, is to sneak in fascist viewpoints by claiming they are nothing more than "disagreements", and claiming the alt-right is just standing up for free speech. But allowing such ideology to be a matter of "disagreement" normalizes what are in fact plain wrong and evil ideas. And as usual, there are some, like perhaps yourself, dear and squishy AC, that do not know that this is the strategy and end up supporting the normalization of fascism unwittingly. Do you understand, now? You are being used. Or, alternatively, well, we don't have to actually say it, do we?

              • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @08:53PM (12 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @08:53PM (#792433)

                The strategy, as I see it, is to sneak in fascist viewpoints by claiming they are nothing more than "disagreements", and claiming the alt-right is just standing up for free speech.

                Authoritarians like the Alt-right or the SJWs are not in favor of free speech.

                But allowing such ideology to be a matter of "disagreement" normalizes what are in fact plain wrong and evil ideas. And as usual, there are some, like perhaps yourself, dear and squishy AC, that do not know that this is the strategy and end up supporting the normalization of fascism unwittingly. Do you understand, now? You are being used. Or, alternatively, well, we don't have to actually say it, do we?

                People are being used and manipulated so they should just do what you say or they'll be branded "alt-right" and unpersoned? Can't have any of those "plain wrong and evil ideas" like freedom distracting from your worldview can we?

                • (Score: 3, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Saturday January 26 2019, @10:23PM (2 children)

                  by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday January 26 2019, @10:23PM (#792457) Journal

                  Ideas like freedom to be racist, xenophobic, misogynist, and a dick? The Power of the SJW compels you! The Power of all SJWs compells you! We will unperson you, you toady to fascists! We will force to to post on marginal news aggregation sites as an Anonymous Coward! Oh, mission accomplished. Now just shut up, before we taunt you another tyme! (Bloody Brexiters!)

                  • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27 2019, @12:49AM (1 child)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27 2019, @12:49AM (#792496)

                    Ideas like freedom to be racist, xenophobic, misogynist, and a dick?

                    Yes, you conform to the latter so it would be hypocritical of you to object to the others without practicing what you preach and shutting the fuck up!

                • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @11:05PM (8 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @11:05PM (#792471)

                  So now you demand that people not judge you for your shitty viewpoints?

                  I'd laugh but its getting boring how childish you "freedom" types are. You have the freedom to believe what you want, and we have the freedom to call you a fascist racist worm if we want. The irony is now at such levels that we are in danger of hemochromatosis.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27 2019, @12:55AM (7 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27 2019, @12:55AM (#792498)

                    You have the freedom to believe what you want, and we have the freedom to call you a fascist racist worm if we want.

                    Yes, even deluded bigots like yourself have freedom of speech.

                    The irony is now at such levels that we are in danger of hemochromatosis.

                    You fools set the iron to steam and now complain about burns when it's pushed back into your faces.

                    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27 2019, @01:58AM (6 children)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27 2019, @01:58AM (#792513)

                      Trollolololol

                      Your metaphor sucks balls btw, maybe refine it on the chanboards before trying it here? Nazis are bad, is that really such a tough concept for you? Also, for the crowd that complains about snowflake feefees you sure do exhibit the symptoms all the fucking time!

                      • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27 2019, @02:07AM (5 children)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27 2019, @02:07AM (#792515)

                        Nazis are bad

                        Yes they are. So what? That doesn't give anybody the right to censor their speech, or obstruct those that want to hear them! And fuck your incitement bullshit! People choose to respond with violence.

                        • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27 2019, @05:02PM (4 children)

                          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27 2019, @05:02PM (#792650)

                          Well, of course the nazi censors would mod this as "Flamebait"! For them it is! They expect absolute devotion to the cause!

                          Remember kids, censorship is always evil. There is no other word for it. Don't let the real flamers around here convince you otherwise. Censorship must be crushed by whatever means available!

                          • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27 2019, @06:37PM (3 children)

                            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27 2019, @06:37PM (#792692)

                            Haha nice strawman modded insightful. Tell me again, where was the censorship? Just trying to ride the persecution flag to freedom? #DumbAss

                            • (Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27 2019, @09:07PM (2 children)

                              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27 2019, @09:07PM (#792738)

                              You have to look at the score. It was modded flamebait first by some pro censorship dickhead, and is still there, just not in front anymore.

                              • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @12:02AM (1 child)

                                by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @12:02AM (#792780)

                                Another downmod. See? I offended the dickhead again. Sorry. Being pro censorship makes you a dickhead, by default. The downmods don't make it any less so.

                                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @05:13PM

                                  by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @05:13PM (#793091)

                                  You do realize that down modding is not actual censorship yes? Also, freedom of speech refers to government restrictions. Someone saying "this post is trash" is not the same as removing the post and preventing people from ever seeing it.

                                  Melt harder

              • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday January 26 2019, @09:11PM

                by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday January 26 2019, @09:11PM (#792440) Journal

                You nailed it, Ari. It's the same thing the GOP has been doing since Reagan and the same thing FOX News pulls: pretend that their complete whackadoodle bullshit is simply at one end of the spectrum, rather than way off in the next dimension somewhere, then invoke "fairness" to make sure it gets heard no matter how ridiculous and destructive it is.

                In this way, the Overton Window, the notional political center, has been pulled incredibly far rightward; meanwhile, the people doing this, knowing full well what they're doing, are LAUGHING at the rest of us for being the kind of basically decent human being who entertains the idea of giving all views a fair hearing in the first place.

                It's fucking sickening. Words like justice, fairness, perspective, and so forth lose all meaning in these peoples' mouths. They become twisted, blasphemous, zombified parodies of themselves, hollowed out and corrupted like an ant in the terminal stages of Cordyceps infection, turned into an undead army by their soulless necromancer overlords to attack and undermine their very origins and the very people who stand up for them.

                THIS is why I use the word "sociopath" so much. I know exactly what they're doing, and am trying to wake up as many people as possible. It's beyond "too late," but I hope I can at least make some people realize the scale and breadth of the con job that's been pulled on them for the last 40 years...

                --
                I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
              • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @11:02PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @11:02PM (#792469)

                The alt-right, amusingly the most safe-space needing snowflakes around. Projection really is their Achille's Heel.

        • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday January 26 2019, @07:06PM (6 children)

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday January 26 2019, @07:06PM (#792403) Journal

          I told Sulla he had his head up his ass, and specifically that he was being shortsighted, because he specifically credited this administration's disastrous tax policy with shaving off a mere 6 months of his mortgage payments. This is, in short, the kind of person who's well off enough to assume "a rising tide lifts all boats" and not think for an instant that people without boats will tread water if they're lucky, or otherwise simply drown.

          6 months of mortgage payments, in exchange for...what, precisely? What are we all going to suffer for his freedom from six months of mortgage payments? How selfish can a person get? THAT is why I went off on him, because that sort of blind, self-seeking thinking is what lead to this garbage in the first place. He's not even thinking about how later down the road he may not be able to maintain the house, or what the knock-on effects of this trillion-dollar trickle-up scam will be on his finances.

          And most of all, he is sparing not a single thought for any of the poorer people who are, as always, the ones to be hurt by these transparent upward-redistribution schemes. People suffer and go hungry and homeless because of a shutdown, but as long as Sulla has a few months' less mortgage to pay that's fine. The tax cuts on the back of the poor and middle class will drag the economy down for years or even decades, but as long as Sulla doesn't have to pay his mortgage for half a year, all is well.

          I don't place him in the same category of sociopathic evil as, for example, VLM or JMorris. He seems like a mostly decent person; I can sense a human heart and most of a conscience still working in there. It's more ignorance than maliciousness.

          --
          I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @08:18PM (3 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @08:18PM (#792423)

            If he gets money back from the government, he's not all that well off. I haven't made more than 25k/y in the last 5, and getting rid of the Obama BS where I made too much for free healthcare and too little to buy my own has helped me personally a lot. Still no healthcare, but also no stress about possibly owing money that I don't have once a year.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 29 2019, @09:36PM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 29 2019, @09:36PM (#793763)

              If you make 25k a year then you can get obamacare and probably tons of other benefits.
              The problem with these programs is that most needy disadvantaged people are usually too stupid to take advantage of them.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 29 2019, @10:05PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 29 2019, @10:05PM (#793787)

                Nope. I applied, got denied. I would have had to make 19k a year. Maybe in your state things are different...

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 30 2019, @06:37PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 30 2019, @06:37PM (#794172)

                  In my state the most expensive plan on the exchange was $300/mo when I checked years ago.
                  This would be about 3600/year but I'm a low risk to insure.
                  If you make under 50k you get a hefty subsidy to help pay that premium.
                  I know all this varies from state to state but it's pretty accurate to say you were too lazy to follow the process and not that you couldn't afford healthcare.

                  As a poor person there are few things that you can do that will pay as much per hour as time spent navigating bureaucracies. By design there is a subsidized middle class lifestyle available to you if you bother to take it.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @08:25PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @08:25PM (#792426)

            Probably should do your taxes. The poor and the lower middle class are the primary beneficiaries of the recent tax plan. All my coworkers who are actually well off (making 80k+ a year) had their taxes go up pretty significantly.

          • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 27 2019, @01:35PM

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 27 2019, @01:35PM (#792610) Homepage Journal

            What are we all going to suffer for his freedom from six months of mortgage payments?

            Windblown hair?

            Herpes?

            A speeding ticket?

            Food poisoning?

            Faded housepaint?

            A blown tire?

            Maybe faster growing grass, so that you have to mow the lawn more often?

            Tougher weeds?

            An extra eclipse?

            Two hours of daylight savings time?

            Roaches, locusts, fleas?

            Global warming?

            Maybe an ice age?

            The return of the jedi?

            --
            Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Sulla on Saturday January 26 2019, @08:45PM (23 children)

          by Sulla (5173) on Saturday January 26 2019, @08:45PM (#792432) Journal

          I don't know, that was a pretty mild comment from AH. AH recently told me that my kids should die because I didn't want support universal healthcare.

          You better be fucking glad your God Emperor hasn't gotten rid of what little in the way of healthcare assistance remains yet. You'd be singing a different tune if this were 2024 rather than 2018. Yes, I made this political, because when your politics would lead to the deaths of others' children, yours are fair game.

          Hopefully Trump finishes off the ACA so Oregon can go back to the Oregon Health Plan that we had to get rid of when the ACA went into effect. ACA raised rates several hundred times over the old OHP plan and slashed benefits. Low income residents of Oregon were able to qualify for OHP if they made less than around 40k/year, now the cheapest plans available costs 556-1660/year for less coverage. People retired and on Social Security used to be able to use that OHP plan, the ACA replacement is 1680-3532/year for a plan with less coverage. How is someone on a fixed income supposed to survive now? Because of the changes a lot of folks here in Oregon were forced to give up healthcare entirely and instead pay the ~700 tax. So for the really poor, instead of paying zero and getting healthcare, now they are forced to pay 700 and get nothing. The ACA is actually killing people, and she thinks its fair if my kids die because I don't want the ACA to kill any more.

          --
          Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
          • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday January 26 2019, @09:02PM (22 children)

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday January 26 2019, @09:02PM (#792439) Journal

            You, again, have no idea how lucky you've been. Your children would have been dead a dozen times over had you been in West Virginia or Alabama or Mississippi or any of hundreds of other places that didn't have Oregon's approach. Of course "Obama"care (hint: it's Romneycare, fucking look it up) SHOULDN'T have lead to prices going up ANYWHERE, but it did...in places that had something better already. Considering it was basically a regulatory-capture handout to the insurance companies with a Republican originator, this is not a surprise; blame the GOP, in whose effective if not literal ranks I count Obama and the Clinton dynasty.

            I sympathize somewhat, though not having children myself leaves a bit of a reality gap here. And I stand by the earlier statement: when you support policies that lead to the death of other peoples' children, yours are fair game. They are not special. You are not special. You, and they, are simply lucky.

            --
            I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
            • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Sulla on Saturday January 26 2019, @09:36PM (13 children)

              by Sulla (5173) on Saturday January 26 2019, @09:36PM (#792448) Journal

              I was fortunate to live in a state that had OHP when my youngest kids were born because i had to quit my job and move to a different state to take care of my grandmother with alzheimers. There was no "luck" involved with quitting my job to take care of family. I like and support safety nets because they are beneficial to all inolved. But then the Democrats unanimously passed the ACA without accepting any input from the opposition (such as the inclusion of tort reform that would have caused a few republicans to switch sides). The ACA and all its failings, price hikes, and insurance bailouts is 100% the fault of the Democrats and the Democrats alone. Arizona saw 300% hikes a few years ago, i dont exactly imagine Arizona as having had something better. Rates went up everywhere regardless of the system that existed before.

              Everyone has shit happen to them, but they deal with it. The democrats ripped the rug out from under everyone with the ACA. A good buddy of mine with type 1 diabetes went from OHP (0/year) to 2400 a year cheapest ACA plan. Sure was considerate of the Democrats to take an additional 200/month from him he did not have.

              Policies that i support are having safety nets but forcing people to find work instead of living on it forever. Policies i support would lower the unemployment rate so people can actually take care of themselves. Policies i would support would end government bailouts to insurance companies (and defence contractors). Policies i support would lower taxes on low income and lower middle class folks because 100/month makes a huge difference in the family budget.

              Yet you wish death upon me and mine for simply trying to live.

              --
              Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
              • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday January 26 2019, @09:56PM (12 children)

                by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday January 26 2019, @09:56PM (#792452) Journal

                Yeah? Obamacare, awful as it is, saved my life. In early 2015 I ended up out of the blue with a massive blood clot in my right lung, known in the business as "pulmonary embolism." I had JUST gotten insurance not a month before. Were it not for that, I'd be dead or worse. To this day no one knows how the hell it happened, as I had no DVT, my leg veins look perfect, and I'm not a carrier of any thrombophilia mutations like Factor V Leiden. They thought it was pneumonia at first, and until I forced them to do an EKG and they noticed every few heartbeats looked weird, they insisted I was being a hypochondriac.

                I don't wish death on you and yours, Sulla. But I DO want you to know how precariously close to death they were, how easily the kids COULD have died if not for plain luck. You having to care for your mother might have been what eventually saved them. You, and they, could have ended up much worse off had you not had to care for her.

                You have far less control over your life than you think you do, Sulla. And I find that when people understand this, they start thinking more about other people and less selfishly. I'm trying to grow the remaining conscience and humanity I see left in you. If you are serious about supporting policy that lowers cost of living and cuts out the parasitic middlemen, PUT YOURSELF OUT THERE. I pay my dues in anti-human-trafficking work and homeless outreach, this despite being on the brink of homelessness myself constantly. What do you do to pay it forward? Are you all talk, or do you actually fight?

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                • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27 2019, @12:58AM (1 child)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27 2019, @12:58AM (#792501)

                  I'd be dead or worse.

                  Ahh, tell us more about the hell dimension?

                  • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday January 27 2019, @04:17AM

                    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday January 27 2019, @04:17AM (#792533) Journal

                    Maybe you'll find out :) In all seriousness, though, this is all you need to know: the saying "hell is other people" is completely 100% wrong. There's no specific place or location. You carry potential Hell within you.

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                • (Score: 1) by Sulla on Sunday January 27 2019, @05:42AM (5 children)

                  by Sulla (5173) on Sunday January 27 2019, @05:42AM (#792563) Journal

                  We aren't going to agree so I'm not going to continue on the healthcare topic. But was planning on responding to the second part.

                  I am just a simple government worker in the finance department who makes sure that I make my position pay for itself through cost savings for the organization. When at the state of Oregon I found a series of improvements that one of the departments implemented that saved ten hours a week labor for one/two employees (depending on location) for each branch location. Eliminated the need for overtime for these employees and the excessive costs of bringing in temp workers for double the normal rate. My boss estimated the ongoing savings to be in the 400k/year range. I am no longer with the state but in my current position I haven't been able to make as drastic improvements, but I have paid for my position and then some.

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                  • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday January 27 2019, @05:40PM (4 children)

                    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday January 27 2019, @05:40PM (#792665) Journal

                    Notice how everything you did was about trimming labor costs? You may have actually cost people jobs with that one. This is exactly what I mean: people have to come before profits. What you need to do to keep food on the table is one thing--hell, I'm basically shuttling Big Pharma's output all over a hospital all day, I'm a bit complicit with them by definition--but try and think outside the cubicle in your spare time.

                    "We're never going to agree" is code for "you made me uncomfortable and I have no good response to this" based on the surroundings that snippet finds itself in. With all due respect...good. The intention is to unsettle you and get you to think. Especially about how little control you, or any of us, truly have over our lives. Your children survived by mere luck; hundreds of thousands are not so lucky. And yet, they are no more or less worthy or special than yours. When you look at your child as he is ill, think about all the ones who cannot afford care or have no one to care for them, and pray to whatever you believe in that your luck holds.

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                    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Sulla on Sunday January 27 2019, @06:13PM (3 children)

                      by Sulla (5173) on Sunday January 27 2019, @06:13PM (#792676) Journal

                      No, you are so wrong its not worth looking up the sources anymore. Its easier to agree to disagree than waste more time finding citations. I spend too much time doing that already.

                      The budget for the department doesn't change because of the additional labor costs. That means additional labor costs in accounting are taking resources away from case work. Ten hours a week across some 20 locations for a whole year is some odd 10k worth of hours that could be spent by case workers doing case work instead of bean counting. That 10k hours is an extra 5 case workers of FTE. Case workers helping battered women, child abuse and neglegance, assisting with nutritional programs and training, etc.

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                      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday January 27 2019, @06:23PM (2 children)

                        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday January 27 2019, @06:23PM (#792678) Journal

                        Okay, you should have mentioned that then. I apologize for assuming you were just some bureaucrat somewhere, not actually involved in things that help people. Mea maxima culpa; it seems you actually *do* do useful work, which makes you the first who does who also holds some of the opinions you do. The contrast is still jarring; please try and integrate it all.

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                        • (Score: 3, Informative) by Sulla on Sunday January 27 2019, @07:58PM (1 child)

                          by Sulla (5173) on Sunday January 27 2019, @07:58PM (#792713) Journal

                          The thing I hate most in life is inefficiency. I have a problem with conservatives who hate programs but won't offer solutions. On one side you have the liberals who want more expansive programs to help people and (as conservatives see it) damn the fiscal costs, on the conservative side they are afraid that the ever increasing funding will break the bank (although hypocritically not when it applies to the military) and damn the current social costs. The point I make everyday as I work is that if we are actually efficient with our work we can cut spending and achieve more than we were able to do previously without needing to screw over workers. Its not difficult, you just need dedicated workers. I'm one of those people who chooses to fight it from the inside instead of just whine about it from the outside.

                          My first job with the state was a simple contract payment processor. My position had to be added because the other workers in the unit were so slow they were unable to meet the state's constitutional requirements for turnaround period. I was averaging 50 a day but the next highest average in the unit was around 20, with three barely managing 10 a day (same contracts, no difference in difficulty). They would whine endlessly about how they needed (and were granted) overtime so they could get their numbers to 11 or 12 a day. Being a government institution where you can't reprimand or fire someone you just have to wait them out, but for each slow person you have to maintain the rest of the operation can grind to a halt. Nonprofits who rely on that contract money to feed abused or beaten children go without funding and people don't eat. I managed to find enough efficiencies that the slow people could stay slow but still get more work done. I move on and the position did not have to be filled again by the unit so funding was able to be shifted elsewhere.

                          In the current world we live in the primary way we judge the success of a program is how much money is being spent. I went to a human services presentation by upper management several years ago and they had tons of metrics about how they are achieving more because their budget is higher, but didn't have any metrics on numbers of kids helped, how less kids are being helped every year because incidents are lower, etc. I exist to show that the amount of money you spend is not linked to the quality of the service you provide. There is going to be a limit but its necessary to actually find that limit. A increase in budget of the cost of living and stuff like that makes some sense, but there is no logic in 10-12% increases per year with the only changes being additional money wasted in overhead.

                          Anyways. I'm done with this thread, I'm sure we will cross paths somewhere else. Because that is what soylent is, endless circles of people disagreeing and never coming to any resolution, and we pretend its tech related.

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                          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 29 2019, @07:07AM

                            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 29 2019, @07:07AM (#793454)

                            The ever present problem of power and corruption. I've heard the complaints from conservatives, I've heard and seen such stories. Inefficiency sucks, lazy bastards sitting around while others do the work SUCKS.

                            However, that is a human problem. There will always be such people. All we can do is try our best, and try and put good people into management. When your anger over inefficiency becomes a political platform you end up crusading against innocent people because a spreadsheet can't handle human existence.

                            We need transparency in government so we can find the sources of corruption and wasted resources, but we also need a supportive humane approach.

                            A massive part of the problem is our economic system. It has grown and adapted over the years, but the fundamental idea remains that a limited AND infinite resource has massive control over our lives. Money is a human construct and is manipulated in order to control humans. I'm not sure how we can grow beyond it, but if we're talking politics then

                            Between liberals and conservatives there is WAY more common ground than people are used to. Race is THE dividing issue. Gender is next. Then comes all the bullshit we usually argue about.

                            Liberals need conservatives to keep them safe, conservatives need liberals to find better futures. We will get there together, and contrary to popular media we are actually slowly getting there, but the propaganda is constantly trying to keep people divided by pushing bullshit that sounds so very exciting. We would have plenty of time to yell at each other over the internet if it wasn't for madmen ACTUALLY FUCKING CONTEMPLATING nuclear annihilation over economic and political systems.

                            The plebeians are being manipulated by the patricians, age old game taken to STUPID fucking levels. We are at the point where millions of people are believing lies and turning their best allies into enemies, and sadly this is occurring on both sides. Trump was right about one thing, there are fine people on both sides. I prefer to believe it was his dementia talking and he didn't realize he was talking about Charlottesville. Woops, I think I'm beginning to understand how people go mad!

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 29 2019, @07:30PM (3 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 29 2019, @07:30PM (#793690)

                  I pay my dues in anti-human-trafficking work and homeless outreach, this despite being on the brink of homelessness myself constantly.

                  If this is true why don't you get an actual tech job? Then you could stop being homeless and if you actually have some all consuming need to help other people you could literally fund an entire salary at a livable wage, for someone to do what you do now.... and still have enough left over that near-homelessness is no longer a concern.

                  Whatever work you're doing is going to be of a lower quality than someone who doesn't have to hustle up a hundred dollars here and there when crisis enters their life. I am curious though. I was homeless/at risk of homelessness for a period of my life. It was relatively easy for me since the entire thing was planned well in advance. Identifying the things that you need to sustain a comfortable lifestyle. A safe place to sleep. A shower. Clean water. Identifying sources and having backup plans well in advance.

                  The worst part was other homeless people. I'd make friends at the food bank or waiting in line for some other handout. The second I was on my feet.. the minute I had the smallest set of resources to borrow. All of them suddenly have a crisis where they will LITERALLY DIE WITHOUT MY HELP PLEASE GOD.
                  Well as far as I know all of them are sadly still alive. I donate to the mission and to a food bank still but I believe nothing a homeless person tells me and I am not interested in interacting with them in any way. I would never be so cold hearted but it's my firsthand knowledge of the homeless community that made me this way.

                  I honestly don't believe you do much for the homeless. You don't act much like the volunteers I saw, you act more like someone nobody wants to live with.

                  • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday January 29 2019, @10:11PM (2 children)

                    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday January 29 2019, @10:11PM (#793793) Journal

                    I did do tech until recently, upon getting hired as a pharmacy technician. To be honest I've had enough of tech work as a culture; it's only going to get worse, what with MS's obvious leanings toward "Windows as a service" and Google and Apple tightening the screws, as wave after wave of worse malware and hacking washes up and more and more critical infrastructure is found wanting...to say nothing of the actual culture aspect of "the culture." Women are still not welcome in tech.

                    You may believe what you wish as far as the rest goes. Even when i have nothing to donate, which is too often, I can at least listen to them. You'd be amazed what a difference that makes.

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                    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 30 2019, @07:51PM (1 child)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 30 2019, @07:51PM (#794215)

                      1) It's obvious that you've lived most of your life as a socially awkward man.
                      2) You could be training to become a LPN or a dental tech and have a stable middle class life in like a year.
                      3) I doubt you talk to the homeless much. They lie constantly and they're deliberately emotionally draining because it helps them spange.

                        If you're mentally unwell it might be wise to eliminate all shitheads from your life.

                      Stop 'fighting the good fight' in various internet comment sections. Half the people you're fighting are paid russians who want to upset you. You seek out and allow yourself to suck down negative energy.
                      Stop talking to homeless people. We're talking about a community that obtains "spange" animals so they can emotionally blackmail strangers into giving them money. One time I had a friend who had a dope fiend for a roommate. The guy was always late with rent, always a new set of reasons. He had to wreck his own credit and walk away from the lease so the landlord could evict the fucker. See it was his original plan to just wait out the remainder of the lease and leave. But the fiend 'borrowed' the guy's turtles so he could sit on the corner with a sign "homeless and hungry please feed my turtles" and get money for drugs.
                      We're not sure what happened but a few days later the turtles both died.

                      Yeah just about anyone becomes a wreck when they deal with the homeless. Go take care of yourself and stop looking for trouble. Stop pretending to be a martyr.

                      • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday January 31 2019, @07:30AM

                        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday January 31 2019, @07:30AM (#794440) Journal

                        Noooot even gonna dignify this with a proper response. You're a perfect example of the "insecure manchild" I specifically mentioned in the journal entry itself. Sorry if being blunt and rude offends you, cupcake.

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            • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 27 2019, @01:41PM (7 children)

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 27 2019, @01:41PM (#792611) Homepage Journal

              SHOULDN'T have lead to prices going up ANYWHERE

              Maybe now you begin to understand that you were sold a single-payer system, but it was all bullshit. Leftist-care was all about enriching the insurance companies. Yes, of course they had to give some meaningful improvements to a few thousand people here and there, to "prove" the success of the program. Rescue some crackheads, some homeless, some prostitutes, some desperately poor single mothers. Meanwhile, increase the costs that everyone else pays by an order of magnitude.

              And, EVERYONE ignored that little bit about "you qualify for an 80% subsidy this year" but the subsidies were going to run out in two years.

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              • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday January 27 2019, @05:36PM (6 children)

                by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday January 27 2019, @05:36PM (#792664) Journal

                You actually think I didn't do the research? For me it was "this or nothing." I knew from the start that this was Romneycare (so shove your stupid "leftist-care" bullshit, it was a GOP plan from the start), but it was the only game in town for me. And I hope to fuck the Dems run on a real universal healthcare platform in 2020, but I'm not counting on it.

                You have a serious problem with assuming everyone who isn't you is an unthinking moron incapable of doing their own research. I mean, you have serious problems in general, but this is a particular sore point that makes attempting to discuss virtually anything with you a chore.

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                • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 27 2019, @06:29PM (5 children)

                  by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 27 2019, @06:29PM (#792684) Homepage Journal

                  "this or nothing"

                  Nothing would have been better. You know it, I know it, anyone with an IQ larger than their shoe size knows it. Did you say "unthinking moron"? Well, that is almost synonymous with Romney/Obama/Clinton/whatevercare supporters. "You've got to pass the bill to see what is in it!" Christ on a crutch. No matter how you look at it, you were sold a pig in a poke.

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                  • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday January 27 2019, @06:34PM (4 children)

                    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday January 27 2019, @06:34PM (#792688) Journal

                    Without that pig in a poke, I would have died in 2015.

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                    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 27 2019, @06:37PM (3 children)

                      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 27 2019, @06:37PM (#792690) Homepage Journal

                      The Grim Reaper lurks around, and he'll get all of us in time. What can I say?

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                      • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday January 27 2019, @06:40PM (2 children)

                        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday January 27 2019, @06:40PM (#792693) Journal

                        For starters, you can say something like "We may as well not make her job easier."

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                        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 27 2019, @06:47PM (1 child)

                          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 27 2019, @06:47PM (#792696) Homepage Journal

                          Actually, I'd kinda like his job. Maybe he's due for a promotion or something, and we can make a deal.

                          It just crossed my mind: what do you suppose the prerequisites are for the job? Yeah - seriously - assuming that the job has to be done, what do you think that any creator would require of an applicant for the job?

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                          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27 2019, @07:50PM

                            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27 2019, @07:50PM (#792709)

                            Shut up, Runaway! You are embarrassing yourself, again.

      • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 29 2019, @06:43PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 29 2019, @06:43PM (#793666)

        She's a retard because the rest of us have realized most of those people are paid trolls and if they aren't arguing with them will not bring a any amount of new truth and justice into the world. You will not change their minds or anyone else's.
        You will only emotionally exhaust yourself and in your tiredness you'll showcase the worst parts of your personality.
        Later on someone will say something like "That tranny weeaboo Azumega Hentai? Azumiji Hanzo? Whatever her name is she's really unpleasant to be around" and a bunch of other people will nod in agreement. Whatever is said next about you will become you in the minds of all those people.

        This is a forum and not a battleground. We will be lucky if anything of consequence ever happens here. You are not fighting anything, let alone a good fight.
        I enjoy stirring shit myself sometimes. But you'll never see me make an emo livejournal post about it. What were you up to in 2003 anyhow?

        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday February 01 2019, @07:38AM

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday February 01 2019, @07:38AM (#794924) Journal

          I appreciate the concern (hah! concern *trolling...*), but as has been said about a dozen times now, what I'm doing is not for the benefit of the trolls, paid or otherwise. It's for the benefit of anyone who happens to stray into their path without their critical thinking hats on, the "fence sitters" Acid Andy pointed out.

          And, again, why do you keep accusing me of being a transsexual? Does the idea of an articulate, angry woman truly bother you that much? Are you so unable to understand this that the only explanation you can come up with is "she's actually a man?" You wouldn't have lasted 10 minutes in the same room as the luminaries of the Second Wave. You wouldn't last 10 minutes in the same room as my mother or sister, for that matter. If you're wondering what "fragile masculinity" means, this kind of low-key misogyny is it.

          I dunno, to the insecure manbabies I have to be a transsexual because reasons, to the *actual* transsexual I'm a TERF because other reasons...what a mess :/ Take your poorly-disguised concern trolling elsewhere, cupcake. You are fooling no one but yourself.

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    • (Score: 2) by mrpg on Saturday January 26 2019, @08:14PM (1 child)

      by mrpg (5708) Subscriber Badge <reversethis-{gro ... yos} {ta} {gprm}> on Saturday January 26 2019, @08:14PM (#792422) Homepage

      Just to clarify for future reference:

      Choose Your Words
      amoral/ immoral

      Both have to do with right and wrong, but amoral means having no sense of either, like a fish, but the evil immoral describes someone who knows the difference, doesn't care, and says "mwah ha ha" while twirling a mustache.

      https://www.vocabulary.com/articles/chooseyourwords/amoral-immoral/ [vocabulary.com]

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @08:18PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @08:18PM (#792424)

        RTFJ. It wasn't my word choice.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 02 2019, @05:40PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 02 2019, @05:40PM (#795438)

      Azumazumazuma is a shit slinger, not a mud slinger. She uses that Japanesey name, to mislead everyone. She's actually a member of a troop of lesser apes, or some kind of monkey.

  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday January 26 2019, @03:03PM (16 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 26 2019, @03:03PM (#792315) Homepage Journal

    I want a copy of 'The Gospel According to Zumi the Sapphic Apostle'.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @05:34PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @05:34PM (#792364)

      No boys allowed.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday January 26 2019, @06:56PM (14 children)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday January 26 2019, @06:56PM (#792394) Journal

      It's not difficult: people over profits, don't cause unnecessary suffering, and for the love of fuck, THINK.

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      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday January 26 2019, @07:15PM (13 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 26 2019, @07:15PM (#792408) Homepage Journal

        But, MUH FEELS!

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        • (Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday January 26 2019, @07:22PM (12 children)

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday January 26 2019, @07:22PM (#792409) Journal

          I know, I know. Thanks for finally admitting it. I find that with enough time and a bit of prodding, you will completely drop that thin veneer of human decency you try and keep up and expose yourself for what you really are. Remember: it's too late to take back what you said. Everyone knows what you are in the dark.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @07:28PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @07:28PM (#792410)

            That thread was epic. Pure unadulterated hate and fear to really blow off the cover of decency.

          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday January 26 2019, @07:30PM (10 children)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 26 2019, @07:30PM (#792411) Homepage Journal

            No, you only THINK that you know what lives in the abyss. You're too busy spinning your narrative to understand the truths that are right in front of your eyes.

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            • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday January 26 2019, @08:57PM (9 children)

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday January 26 2019, @08:57PM (#792435) Journal

              Do you forget where I grew up, or the anti-human-trafficking work I've done? Runaway, I have seen bodies of trafficked women that were cut up in pieces and discarded in a dumpster in Chicago during that work, with less than a single shit given by law enforcement. I've seen plenty of corpses, witnessed a couple of murders, heard gunshots almost nightly in one of the worse neighborhoods...I know what's in the abyss. And who.

              I have had far, far too many friends die from drugs or illness or exposure, and two more may be on their way out soon. One of them is probably gone already as I haven't been able to raise her by any means of communication for weeks.

              I know you need to preserve this image of yourself as this gritty, hard-as-nails realist manly-ma with everyone else being some spoiled whiny child, but reality does not hold up to that fantasy. You're, if anything, amazingly sheltered for someone of your supposed military background; it makes me wonder if you actually learned anything out there.

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              • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 27 2019, @05:34AM (5 children)

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 27 2019, @05:34AM (#792559) Homepage Journal

                Haven't forgotten where you came from. Remember levels of hell? The abyss is the same.

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                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27 2019, @04:18PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27 2019, @04:18PM (#792636)

                  Ok who gave grandpa a smart phone??

                • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday January 27 2019, @05:23PM (3 children)

                  by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday January 27 2019, @05:23PM (#792661) Journal

                  You know all about that, don't you? You'll be going there soon enough, you senile old sack of crap. What have you accomplished, truly, for other people, in your 62 years?

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                  • (Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 27 2019, @06:33PM (2 children)

                    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 27 2019, @06:33PM (#792686) Homepage Journal

                    What? You want examples? Seriously? You really want EXAMPLES of good things I've done? WTF? So you can call me a liar? Even if you actually believed me, you'd still call me a liar, to save face. You should urinate up a vertical length of hemp.

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                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27 2019, @07:53PM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27 2019, @07:53PM (#792710)

                      We did check with the DOD, and they have no record of a Runaway1956 ever having served in the United States Navy, so, liar? Probably.

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27 2019, @09:05PM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27 2019, @09:05PM (#792737)

                      someone who is says I was just following orders. The creator will like it that way.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 29 2019, @10:11PM (2 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 29 2019, @10:11PM (#793795)

                I've been homeless and I've seen all kinds of crazy shit in the military.
                I think you sound like someone who lies about trauma for attention.
                I would normally be polite and keep this sort of gut feeling to myself but since you're going to say that Runaway acts sheltered for someone of his background. I'll tell you that he doesn't act that way at all.

                gritty, hard-as-nails realist manly-ma with everyone else being some spoiled whiny child,

                It's extremely common for veterans with PTSD to struggle with empathy for first world problems after returning to civilian life. Runaway acts like other veterans that I encounter.

                  When someone tells me I'm supposed to feel sad because they sleep outside and for that reason I should give them money. I can remember weeks of my life where the best thing that would happen is I would get a chance to lie down on the floor and sleep for a little while. 40 minutes? A few hours? Where I would have fantasies of lying in bed with a beautiful woman, eventually my fantasies would be throwing her out of bed and going to sleep for an entire night. Then you pile on danger and mind numbing pointless busywork, uniform inspections.
                It will take more than stories about being cold or hungry or tired before I feel bad about anything. For my first year out I was so at home with discomfort that I always stood at my desk and I didn't run heat in my house for at least two winters because it seemed like a weak willed waste of money.

                Also it's taken me nearly a decade to feel comfortable being soft. If I had a cold or a broken bone or stitches you could expect I was probably going to work out and go to work like nothing is wrong. This is normal in the mind of a vet, not a particularly healthy way to live your life but at least it gives one the sense to avoid walking piles of first world problems.

                I would think you'd have recognized his behavior and attitudes seeing as how you deal with so many traumatized people

                • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday January 29 2019, @10:36PM (1 child)

                  by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday January 29 2019, @10:36PM (#793807) Journal

                  I recognize that he likely has some trauma, but here's the thing: given how he acts on here and what he professes to believe? *I don't give a shit any longer.* He wore out any sympathy I might have had for him ages ago. Very early on I tried to get along with him, but that lasted about as long as a snowball in the Malebolge, and he's revealed himself to be a truly loathsome individual since then.

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                  I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 02 2019, @05:46PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 02 2019, @05:46PM (#795441)

                    So you can't stand a person whom you consider to be more loathsome than yourself? Maybe you should reconsider.

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday January 26 2019, @04:13PM (5 children)

    by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Saturday January 26 2019, @04:13PM (#792335) Homepage

    " Am I a "nice girl?" No, and haven't been for several years, and you know what? It's better this way. "

    Whoa, whoa, don't cut yourself on all that edge. I guess I should just roll over and play dead when you in 'da house.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @06:28PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @06:28PM (#792378)

      Yer just mad people prefer rude behavior from an angel over a troll like you.

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @08:38PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @08:38PM (#792429)

        I prefer to read the output of honest trolls, rather than that of self-righteous douchenozzles.

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @11:15PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 26 2019, @11:15PM (#792475)

          Triggered by reality and choosing internet trolls? Heh, I don't even need to mock you.

    • (Score: 1, Troll) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday January 26 2019, @07:09PM

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday January 26 2019, @07:09PM (#792404) Journal

      Oh, you don't have to "play" dead. Be a winner! Go all the way! You can do it!

      --
      I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 29 2019, @02:35AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 29 2019, @02:35AM (#793382)

      Salt mine is back open boys! Get it while its poopy!

  • (Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Saturday January 26 2019, @09:43PM (4 children)

    by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Saturday January 26 2019, @09:43PM (#792449) Journal

    though I do draw an important distinction between transwomen and cisgender women because, frankly, they are never going to know what it is to have a period or risk being pregnant

    I do not think the terms transgender and cisgender as defined by Serano are compatible with this distinction. However, let us momentarily redefine the terms such that cisgender women meet these requirements and transgender women do not, regardless of legal status at birth.

    Then I suppose then I have good company with many people assigned the female gender at birth, whom we might otherwise mistake for cisgender, who are infertile or otherwise have irregular menstruation. The definition here, however, allows us to keep postmenopausal women in the category of cisgender, but this has the side-effect of excluding all people assigned the female gender at birth from the cisgender status until they experience menarche.

    We might momentarily consider takyon's artificial wombs, but that is presently ten years away [xkcd.com] if not 25+, pending of course further updates.¹ However, we must give more serious consideration to the case of the women who required implantation with her mother's uterus before she was able to become pregnant. Does she then start out as a transgender woman and gain cisgender status only thanks to medical advances in the treatment of infertility? That question could apply to a wide range of medical advances, but birth control does not have the effect of transforming a cisgender woman to a transgender woman for the same reason a post-menopausal woman remains cisgender.

    Will we then need to create a hierarchy in which the number of children a woman gives live birth to becomes an important metric? Perhaps we can find some kind of three-fifths compromise for women who give birth by cesarean section. Greer and Raymond may yet be vindicated by this line of reasoning :/, but fortunately we avoid the “one drop” rule Greer and Raymond seem to strive for. Abortion will remain outside of the scope of this comment, yet it must eventually come up in pursuit of the proposed distinction between cisgender and transgender women.

    Additionally, I continue to reject the duty implied in the Gillette ad of “protecting the hunnies,” because this notion is bound up in patriarchy. Women are most certainly not “hunnies;” that is a patriarchal notion of womanhood. I reject any notion that I owe a single thing to somebody because of some comparison of their medical status to mine: from the threat of further collective and several punishment implied by the ad to the apparent requirement that I must offer educational services without compensation to cisgender women on the basis of finding our elusive cisgender female programmers.

    The notion in the Gillette ad, like the eternal quest to find the cisgender female programmers, advocates for a caste system. The historical results of organizing society according to caste systems, especially caste systems along the lines of gender (and racialist theory), speak for themselves.

    Recently, the TERF hive-mind reminded me that there is some supposed primal fear I am supposed to have of menstruation. It was presented to me that the trash cans in the women's restrooms at work are overflowing with used tampons and other feminine hygiene products, that menstrual blood is apparently splattered all over the wall and floor. My concerns with this are purely sanity, as I was not aware the feminine mystique prevents menstrual blood from harboring infectious diseases such as HIV, along with other pathogens it may acquire while drying on the walls and floor. (I am HIV negative and intend to stay that way, tyvm.)²

    This supposed primal fear is a wholly bigoted notion rooted in chauvinism, because women who do not have children, cannot have children, or have irregular or entirely absent menstruation—but were assigned the female gender at birth—are not required to face such ridiculous notions as this supposed primal fear of menstruation. Additionally, my refusal to using the women's restroom is not even fundamentally hygienic in nature. (If it were, the implication would be that I believe that men's rooms are somehow more hygienic, which I can assure you they are not. The mystery of how shit winds up on a wall two feet above the toilet… you get the picture.) Thus if there is in fact no hygiene issue will blood all over the walls and floor, it has no bearing on which restroom I use. I simply have no desire of being arrested for “attempted rape.”

    In any case, what test for the presence for such a primal fear of menstruation do you propose, and will this inform our determination of who exactly is cisgender and who is transgender?

    What is it that your definitions of cisgender and transgender really seek to accomplish?

    How will we let all those delusional women who were assigned the female gender at birth know that they have been stripped of all rights and privileges (whatever those may be) that come with the cisgender distinction, because they have not earned a red badge of courage, and what will that mean for them?

    ¹ I would like to offer the gods (and lizard people along with other ancient aliens) a heart-felt “fuck you” once again for their failure to exist and punish me for my heresy by giving me a free Aphroditecare sex change. I assure you, I will be able to handle it as well as the other 3.5 billion women on the planet, if not better, because unlike so many cisgender women, I actually paid the fuck attention in health class. Do not even get me started on cisfemale ignorance and mystification of female biology!

    ² I have no problem if other women would also like to use the men's room, and should that happen, then we will get to the bottom of any issues of male privilege that may be preventing the trash cans from being emptied. My hypothesis that the trash cans in the men's room will likewise wind up overflowing with tampons, which as I've said I simply do not give a flying fuck about, because my fundamental reason for using the men's room is that rape accusation. The overflowing trash can is a problem with capitalism, as expressed in the microcosm of a small business, and gender has little to do with it, as much as issues of gender can be separated from the larger issues of capitalism.

    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday January 26 2019, @10:03PM (3 children)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday January 26 2019, @10:03PM (#792453) Journal

      ...Jesus fuck. Out of that entire post, THIS is what you take away from it and write a freaking essay-length reply to?! Kurenai, I know a total of one, ONE, even half-sane transwoman and it is not you. I will never become a TERF, but I'm sick and tired of you making everyfuckingthing about yourself and throwing your lot in with the conservatives--LIKE THE TERFS DO!--over your own mistreatment. Do you understand that you are making things harder for all women, cis or trans, with this bullshit?

      You know fucking well what is meant by bringing up pregnancy, menstruation, and yes, abortion: transwomen simply do not need to worry about these things. The one place I sympathize with TERFs is the fear of limited resources being siphoned away from the very real problems we face over those issues to trans issues. I disagree with their exclusionary policies, but I'm also not stupid about it. Cis and transwomen are different kinds of people with fundamentally different needs.

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      I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
      • (Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Saturday January 26 2019, @11:16PM

        by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Saturday January 26 2019, @11:16PM (#792476) Journal

        Nice dodge! You're the one who called me out, and I presented several issues with your proposed demarcation of transgender and cisgender.

        What is your point with this? It does not seem to simply be an appeal for individualized healthcare. Do you seek to somehow construct an argument that trans women (including all of the newfound trans women who were deluded into thinking they are cisgender simply because they were assigned the female gender at birth) owe you something because we do not have reproductive systems that meet your standards?

      • (Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Saturday January 26 2019, @11:17PM

        by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Saturday January 26 2019, @11:17PM (#792477) Journal

        The one place I sympathize with TERFs is the fear of limited resources being siphoned away from the very real problems we face over those issues to trans issues.

        Can you be specific? What resources, exactly, are being “siphoned away?”

      • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Sunday January 27 2019, @02:23PM

        by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Sunday January 27 2019, @02:23PM (#792620) Homepage Journal

        The pregnancy, the menstruation and the abortion. Big problems, right? They don't have to be. They don't have to be. We have a terrific solution for them -- Pill. Which we've had since the '60s -- magnificent time to be alive. They say "oh, a Pill is medieval." Well, so is a wheel. A wheel is older than a Pill. The wheel is older than the Pilll, you know that? There are some things that work. You know what? A wheel works and a Pill works. Nothing like a Pill. And so many folks take Pill, they say, "oh, it's so horrible, so much blood, disgusting!" It is disgusting, right?

        But some very smart people listened. The O. B. G. Y. N. They looked into that one and -- this is a new thing, so beautiful -- they found out we don't need that one. They put the Fake Pills. Delicious Sugar Pills. And, so much blood, right? Very wet from the standpoint of blood. But, they're finding out it's O. K. to leave those out. It's less candy, a little less of the candy -- and we all love the very special candy the Doctor gives us. But a lot less blood. And it's totally fine. Enjoy!!!! newsweek.com/birth-control-pill-7-day-break-introduced-please-pope-deemed-unnecessary-1299728 [newsweek.com]

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by julian on Sunday January 27 2019, @04:14AM (1 child)

    by julian (6003) on Sunday January 27 2019, @04:14AM (#792529)

    I'm on your side, on most things (from what I can tell). I don't have much to add to this since it's a lot of inside baseball that I cant understand. But keep on keeping on. The reactionaries on this site need to be called out, down-modded, and shamed. Supporters of Donald Trump and anti-trans policies need to be driven into the shadows where they can wither and die.

    Keep speaking loudly and often because I don't have the time to be here as often as you do. But I'll help when I can.

    Cheers

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27 2019, @05:18PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27 2019, @05:18PM (#792659)

      Given the suicide rate of trans people

      Suicide rate and suicidal tendencies among transgender persons are considerably high compared to general population. Hence, this review is an attempt to understand the issues around the suicide and suicidal behavior among transgender persons.

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5178031/ [nih.gov]

      I live on the west coast and grew up around several of them. Never once witnessed any activity that wasn't welcoming, yet they all attempted suicide or chose suicide by drugs. Healthiest thing we can do for them is to keep them away from firearms. If you are a supporter of mental health checks for firearm ownership, there isn't a metric that trans people wouldnt fall under.

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Bot on Sunday January 27 2019, @07:25PM (1 child)

    by Bot (3902) on Sunday January 27 2019, @07:25PM (#792705) Journal

    I am happy to see you feeling your fight is succeeding, but personally I haven't been very enlightened by the dialectical confrontation. But, whatever floats your boat. Remember in a few years to look back at the things you were saying and how they turned up.

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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday January 27 2019, @07:49PM

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday January 27 2019, @07:49PM (#792708) Journal

      That's rich coming from you. You have abandoned your humanity; you don't get to comment about something like that and have anyone take it seriously.

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      I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
  • (Score: 1, Touché) by khallow on Monday January 28 2019, @06:38AM

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 28 2019, @06:38AM (#792911) Journal

    - Creeps like VLM, KHallow, JMorris, Entropy, and all their kind simply giving the hell up and abandoning ship when faced with a proper down-smacking for their fallacious sociopathy.

    I notice you have this pattern. Come up with a cool narrative, say a bunch of shit which isn't even remotely reflected in reality, and act out for a while. For example, there's this ignorant blather [soylentnews.org]:

    Buzzard, Runaway, JMorris, KHallow, FUCKING READ THIS. And shut the hell up about "trans people are just confused/mentally ill." The evidence is there; they've got a birth defect. This is not something they chose. This is a type of intersex condition, just a less obvious one than being born with ovotestis.

    Of course you won't, though, because it's easier and feels better to go on ignorant and hateful. Change is hard, I get it. Living an informed life and understanding that reality is nuanced is difficult.

    Who actually has ever claimed that? I find it interesting how I have been lumped into this particular accusation even though I have never, whether posting on the internet or speaking to people in private, characterize trans people as confused/mentally ill. But this is far from the first time that you've asserted things about my character without even bothering to think or base it in any sort of reality. Another example:

    How do you manage to talk fluently with your tongue all over the elites' boots? Is it because you're talking out your ass?

    Hallow, you are not a temporarily-embarrassed millionaire. You are not part of the elite. You will never be part of the elite. Brownnosing the elite will avail you nothing; you do not even figure into their worldview, and were you to starve and die on the street, none of them would know, nor would they care if they did know.

    You need to wake up to reality: you have much, much more in common with everyone you despise than with the rich.

    And notice what happens when I'm "faced with a proper down-smacking for [my] fallacious sociopathy" in the latter case? You shut up. That's another pattern.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by YeaWhatevs on Monday January 28 2019, @04:46PM (6 children)

    by YeaWhatevs (5623) on Monday January 28 2019, @04:46PM (#793078)

    Back when I was younger and angrier, I used to get in people's faces too. It does shut them up, and if your goal is to shut them up, or attain another goal by means of shutting them up, then by all means, go for it. Also, sometimes it is necessary to display anger, it signals your are serious. I am completely in favor of "winning" an argument as a means of carrying out my will.

    It doesn't mean I (or you) are right though. Maybe you don't care. You just want to win the argument. That's fine, you're not alone. Don't mistake that for being right. Being right is reserved for good outcomes. Despite my best efforts, the end result can turn out other than my calculations indicate. I can be wrong. I'm not perfect, I'm OK with that.

    Not every plan can be tried. I don't get a chance to try the other multiverse if one idea doesn't work out. So sometimes I do have to shout someone else down.

    Before I do though, I try to make sure it matters. Just try to keep that in mind.

    • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Monday January 28 2019, @05:28PM

      by acid andy (1683) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 28 2019, @05:28PM (#793104) Homepage Journal

      You gotta be trolling. In the almost inconceivably unlikely event that this isn't a poor attempt at a troll, could you be any more superficial? I guess your nick says it all.

      She's right because people are dying as a result of the policies she opposes that others on this site support.

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      Master of the science of the art of the science of art.
    • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Monday January 28 2019, @05:36PM (4 children)

      by acid andy (1683) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 28 2019, @05:36PM (#793108) Homepage Journal

      On reflection my post was a bit knee-jerky / snarky. You're trying to give advice. I just can't really relate to the "try to make sure it matters" when to me it seems obvious that this stuff matters a great deal to Azuma. Tackling unnecessary poverty and inequality is about helping people and reducing suffering--I'm baffled why you might think that this might not matter.

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      • (Score: 2) by YeaWhatevs on Monday January 28 2019, @07:11PM (3 children)

        by YeaWhatevs (5623) on Monday January 28 2019, @07:11PM (#793171)

        "that it matters", in the sense that if I tell you you're an idiot for being insensitive to X, is that really going to improve that situation X? I would rather just devote my energy to something else.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by acid andy on Monday January 28 2019, @07:32PM (2 children)

          by acid andy (1683) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 28 2019, @07:32PM (#793180) Homepage Journal

          I think the idea is that an impressionable someone who is still sitting on the fence, yet to full form their own political views, might lurk on this site or come across it in a search. In which case, calling out perceived injustices or selfish ideologies would be worth it. How can we improve (or slow the decline) of our civilization if we're not willing to argue with our opponents (no matter how heated things get)?

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by insanumingenium on Monday January 28 2019, @06:25PM (12 children)

    by insanumingenium (4824) on Monday January 28 2019, @06:25PM (#793148) Journal

    Azuma, serious talk here, I wouldn't post this if I didn't at one point hold you in some esteem. I hope you can understand that I am not trolling here. The fact of the matter is I have quit engaging with you as a rule because you are getting unreasonable, loud, and aggressive.

    You do you, however you see best. But understand that I am starting to pay you no more heed than the worst of the people you are calling out, and that isn't because I agree, or disagree with you, or because you have cowed me.

    I am not claiming to be perfect or always (indeed ever) act perfectly reasonably, but I try to remain polite and respectful of other people. Partially because that is what I expect from them, and because people don't tend to hear the content of messages delivered forcefully, even as they applaud or boo them.

    I am sorry if the above is hard to read, I know it would be hard to read were the tables turned. I genuinely hope that you can see my sincerity, and understand my point of view.

    P.S. I am extremely wary of anyone who prescribes "good" and "evil" to political ideologies, seriously that scares me far more than almost anything. You don't second guess "good", or compromise with "evil". When "fighting evil" you don't try and understand their point of view, you dehumanize them, and this is precisely how we have gotten witch hunts and concentration camps historically.

    • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @07:37PM (9 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @07:37PM (#793183)

      P.S. I am extremely wary of anyone who prescribes "good" and "evil" to political ideologies, seriously that scares me far more than almost anything.

      So, let me get this straight: you are afraid, and have nothing to say? Sounds like a "good German" circa late '30's, early '40's.

      • (Score: 3, Touché) by insanumingenium on Monday January 28 2019, @08:38PM (6 children)

        by insanumingenium (4824) on Monday January 28 2019, @08:38PM (#793210) Journal

        Paging Godwin, has anyone seen Godwin?

        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 29 2019, @12:25AM (5 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 29 2019, @12:25AM (#793331)

          Not the previous AC but it is a very valid point. We have a strongman president with a sizable minority of the US giving him unwavering support, he has used fascist rhetoric before, during, and after his campaign, he has literally put lots of minorities in camps, and his supporters chant "god emperor" and advocate civil war and dictatorship. We may not be at "literally Hitler" but the parallels are frightening.

          Your comment is closer to the "hysterical female" trope, something that has become more widespread and frequently used by the libertarian trolls around here who try to make others upset so that they can "win". Have you listened to speeches from the Civil Rights movement? Lots of passionate words against oppression.

          Azuma is incredibly necessary around here, we have seen what happens when you try and compromise with selfish evil pricks during the last 30 years. The democrats abandoned liberal policies and became corporate sellouts that support welfare programs. Trying to be reasonable and take the high road got Bernie's campaign tanked by a greedy evil politician and let in an even greedier and more evil living cheetoh.

          It is important to be wary of extremists, but don't lump everyone into the same category just because they are passionate. Azuma has been around here and quite active for a long time so possibly the patterns she has seen in other users is not obvious to everyone else. I have been around since pretty early on and can say she is one of the few fair users around here.

          Forcing people to see the harsh reality behind their opinions and actions, whether they'll believe it or not, is one of the few things we can actually do. While it may be amusing to call out GODWIN the Nazi metaphor is quite accurate. Again, we have actual Nazi believers in the US. While they are a tiny minority the underlying racism is still around for a shockingly large percentage of the population and the worst thing we can do is pretend that the Good Ol' Christian Right would never ever commit genocide or other atrocities. The rhetoric has been ramped up to 11 against liberals, the POTUS actively calls the majority of the US "the enemy". Nazi comparisons have never been more applicable to modern politics.

          • (Score: 2) by insanumingenium on Tuesday January 29 2019, @01:00AM (4 children)

            by insanumingenium (4824) on Tuesday January 29 2019, @01:00AM (#793342) Journal

            I am sorry, but the only thing the previous AC said was to compare me to a German from the 30s or 40s. He didn't have an argument, he had watered down name calling. And the fact that it was direct to the internets favorite foil, nazis, made calling Godwin an absolute necessity. Also, the metaphor isn't accurate because, brace yourself, I, the singular person he was talking about, am not a nazi. That is the problem with name calling, it makes anything else you might say utter dross.

            You really haven't been paying any attention around here if you think I am OK with literally anything about Trump, you are right, the parallels are uncomfortable.

            I am not perfectly clear what you mean by the "hysterical female" trope, but I don't think I could have been any clearer that I wasn't trying to make others upset or "win" anything.

            I am not going to claim to be 100% on speeches of the civil rights movement, but yes, I know the broad strokes.

            I also did not speak against passion I spoke against getting loud, unreasonable, and aggressive. There is a difference.

            I apologize if this is going to sound like green site BS, but I have a lower UID than Azuma, I have seen much of the same stuff she has on this site, and for at least as long, that is verifiable. She is a more prolific commenter than I, sure, but I don't find the argument that she has seen some hidden pattern in the matrix persuasive. Sorry if I don't meet your measurement of fair, but that is literally the single think I try hardest to be, I will try harder next time.

            You can't "force" anyone to see anything, sorry, it just doesn't work. And the entire thrust of my argument was that Azuma was giving aware her ability to influence me by her tone, perhaps you lost that in your hero worship.

            I fully believe PEOPLE commit atrocities, and all of the cases I am aware of start with dehumanizing your victims. Which is why I am uncomfortable with things like "good" "evil" and "nazi" being ANY PART of an argument, it is incredibly unpersuasive.

            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by acid andy on Tuesday January 29 2019, @01:21AM (2 children)

              by acid andy (1683) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday January 29 2019, @01:21AM (#793349) Homepage Journal

              We don't have to call people good and evil but we can label their deeds as such. Would that get around your criteria for dehumanization? Are you a moral relativist? Do you not accept that many actions, if analyzed carefully, can be found to either increase or reduce human suffering? If you don't accept it then maybe you're part of the problem.

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              • (Score: 2) by insanumingenium on Wednesday January 30 2019, @12:31AM (1 child)

                by insanumingenium (4824) on Wednesday January 30 2019, @12:31AM (#793844) Journal

                I wasn't trying to make a philosophical argument that good and evil doesn't exist, rather that prescribing those traits to people, and especially to groups of people, as rhetoric, is directly responsible for some of the most heinous things humanity has done (which implicitly acknowledges at least some form of prescriptive morality, doesn't it). In short tribalism is a problem not a solution. I suspect that either that wasn't clear or you are taking a very long way around to your point, which would be confusing given the rather direct implication that I am part of "the problem".

                • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Wednesday January 30 2019, @12:09PM

                  by acid andy (1683) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 30 2019, @12:09PM (#794009) Homepage Journal

                  I agree that tribalism is not a good thing in politics. A reasoned, civil, debate is infinitely more useful than a shouting match. Although there does come a point, where one side has long since abandoned all reason, that losing patience and responding on their own level is understandable and forgivable. There are many examples of that on this site.

                  I think you're talking about using good and evil as labels to paint on people, usually as part of a propaganda campaign, in an attempt to shut down all debate and discriminate against them. I certainly disapprove of those practices because they are deceitful and unfair and therefore immoral (evil) in themselves.

                  The reason I'm disagreeing with you is I've noticed a worrying trend in modern western society, particularly among politicians and the media, to never talk about morals or ethical values directly anymore. This means that when some propose blatantly immoral actions, the opposition are typically reduced to more indirect forms of disagreement or at worst spouting slogans and spin or even ad hominems (at which point there's a danger of sinking to the tribalism you mentioned). I think this fear of speaking in moral terms is related to the rise of political correctness. The implication is that we need to be tolerant of others that have different moral codes to our own. Such tolerance is certainly needed but values like honesty, compassion, generosity and forgiveness absolutely should still be discussed. I believe there's greater harm in shutting such concepts out of a debate than the harm caused to someone who might be offended by them. Again, when an administration's policies are letting people die unnecessarily in an affluent society, I feel strongly we should call a spade a spade and point them out as immoral. This should still be accompanied by a rational argument but let's not skirt around concepts when they're at the core of our objections.

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            • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 29 2019, @02:22AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 29 2019, @02:22AM (#793375)

              My bad for not writing more clearly. The only relation to yourself was about the "hysterical female" part, a trend where women are easily marginalized if they get upset. Men are able to get angry and obnoxious with pretty little blowback, but a female getting angry makes people uncomfortable and prone to writing the women off.

              The rest was more pondering about the current state of affairs where liberals have tried to compromise and conservatives have replied each time with "fuck you!"

              I used to view Azuma's posts more closely to your characterization, but after a while I started to see where she was coming from. Then I got tired of being constantly trolled into going through the effort of explaining my positions and even basic reality to people just trying to stir up shit and ignore valid points.

              "Also, the metaphor isn't accurate because, brace yourself, I, the singular person he was talking about, am not a nazi. That is the problem with name calling, it makes anything else you might say utter dross."

              That is a very good point, and pre-2016 I would have agreed with you. However, here we are in 2019 where "civil war" is actually a topic of discussion and the president has declared US citizens the "enemy". That is why I chimed in, you dismissing the Nazi Germany reference out of hand was actually in the wrong because it was one of the rare instances where the comparison was valid!

              "I fully believe PEOPLE commit atrocities, and all of the cases I am aware of start with dehumanizing your victims. Which is why I am uncomfortable with things like "good" "evil" and "nazi" being ANY PART of an argument, it is incredibly unpersuasive."

              Another good point, but that was not done here. "So, let me get this straight: you are afraid, and have nothing to say? Sounds like a "good German" circa late '30's, early '40's." You were being compared to the good Germans who didn't do enough to stop the nightmare that was the Nazi Party. So I saw a valid comparison which you then rejected because "internet Godwin" which is an amusing role reversal actually.

              Also, "hero worship" is a phrase which marginalizes my own position, as if the only reason I'm standing up for Azuma is because I admire her. I used to feel similarly to yourself, I agreed with her but disliked the overly antagonistic approach. Then I realized that a good portion of the user base around here is made up of trolling edge lords who delight in starting arguments to waste the time and effort of others. Others are actual full blown racists who want to steer us down the path of fear. So now I see her as the bullshit detector and her harsh words are almost always deserved. Even so my reply to your Godwin accusation wasn't about defending Azuma but pointing out what I saw as flaws in your posts.

              Once the more conservative types break away from the Fox News type conditioning then we can return to more adult conversations. Until then there is no point in a more rational approach. I tried it and it does nothing, at least yelling at the stupid prevents the rabbit hole of wasted time and effort which is their actual goal.

              Again, my fault for not being more clear but you took my words more personally than they were meant.

              This might be my biggest wall o' text yet

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 29 2019, @01:01AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 29 2019, @01:01AM (#793343)

        Yes. He's scared of people like Azuma who make political disagreements into black and white moral debates and wish violence on their opponents over philosophical differences.

    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday January 29 2019, @02:16AM (1 child)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday January 29 2019, @02:16AM (#793369) Journal

      Feel free to call me Hazuki or Marissa (the avatar name is in the usual order, surname first).

      Now...in better times, in better circumstances, I would agree with you. But we are past the time for tone arguments, and furthermore tone trolling is one of the most widespread methods the RWAs use to shut down opposition. And while they do it, they are *laughing* at us for being the kind of people tone arguments work on in the first place. Understand something: they do not care. Not really. They will use "butbutbut MUH CIVILITY!" as a weapon when it suits them, but they don't actually care for it aside from its use to them...which is mainly to disguise and paper over the festering darkness underneath.

      This is an old, old trick, dating back at least to the Civil Rights era. In the late 60s and early 70s, the hard right figured out that outright calling someone "nigger" isn't going to win enough votes anymore, so they started using coded dog whistles. It was "urban youth" or "thugs" or "forced busing," but anyone with ears open could hear the double-G loud and clear. And this WORKED. And they *laughed* at the people it worked on, and did their best to discredit the ones it *didn't* work on as radicals, Communists, or whatever other snarl word was handy at the time.

      Understand something else, too: evil is a real thing. It is staring you in the face with huge, giant, bloodshot red eyes out of the inky darkness, waiting for you to blink first. Denying the existence of evil does not make it disappear; deny it to its face, and it will simply open its jaws wide and swallow you and mangle you, then shit you out as a broken, ineffectual heap. You would not hesitate to call the Nazi political platform evil; why, then, do you hesitate to call pieces of it evil when it appears here in our midst in the modern day?

      I am uncompromising. I am determined. I am not "fiery" so much as more like a relentless chill wind. And I am not "nice," for the reasons I've mentioned several times. Sometimes "nice" doesn't work. The ones I go off on the hardest, I'm not trying to reach; I know full well they have sacrificed their humanity for perceived short-term gain. It is entirely, as Acid Andy pointed out upthread, for the benefit of anyone unfortunate enough to stumble on their rhetoric who may be sitting on the fence. Think of it as an extremely profane form of mental vaccination.

      With all that said, if you wish not to engage with me, that's perfectly fine; we may simply have different path and purposes in this world. But please stop and examine why you value civility so highly, and ask yourself if it's not displacing more important things...or if you're being manipulated by the tone trolls.

      --
      I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 30 2019, @03:35AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 30 2019, @03:35AM (#793887)

    Like a small boat, on the ocean,

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 06 2019, @12:05PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 06 2019, @12:05PM (#797133)

    Not judging you and, please, believe me when I say that I'm as neutral as it can get. But in general, it is my believe that women care too much about what men do and say. And women tend to tell other women what to do. I know everyone is different, and that everyone's circles are different too. But in my circles, sexism is 99% women abusing or imposing stuff to other women, and men just want to do their stuff and having a nice day after work. I'm talking about having to wear stuff, put holes through your body, wearing some colors or not, shave your legs, being pretty, being obedient, do what you have been told to do, etc. Men just don't care. Believe me: Men really don't care. At all. It's all self-imposed.

    I'm a mature guy. I don't live in my mom's basement, I'm not a virgin, I've been a clitoris, yes. Although I don't understand why that is so important for you and, in general, I don't understand why women like to judge men by the amount of sex they have. In fact, I'm married, and I've had a few relations before that. I don't have sisters, but I have a mother, grandmother, and a daughter. I have nice friends with and without vaginas. My wife has never been into being "girlish"; she's an intelligent woman and our daughter has been raised without imposing anything, although ALL WOMEN FROM OUR FAMILY tried from day 1 to make it "a girl". When she was into puzzles, LEGO and just running and jumping, all women wanted her to have baby dolls and wear dresses. First time she wore a dress couldn't even fucking play on the playground because she could not move properly. Believe me, that was the last day she wore one. At some point we just started to throw much of that stuff into the garbage. Grandmothers boght new clothes and dresses nearly each day she stalled at their homes. They didn't do that with my male nephews. But women are so cruel with girls and other women.

    At school the teachers were 99% women. And all of them tried to make her act as "a girl". Male boys could run and jump, and get dirty. The male teachers? DIDN'T FUCKING CARE. At the end of the day? Mothers everywhere giving bad stares to that little dirty girl. Fathers just smiled. At her. And at me.

    About that: We didn't know too much each other, but the fathers at school were a small brotherhood. We cared for each other and helped us when needed. The mothers? Many small groups. All of them at war. Criticism was rampant. But only when the other women were not there. Stupid. Men don't like that. Men HATE that.

    All in all, I have seen how this worked for the other girls over the years. They learn from the start not to move. To be pretty. To smile. Not moving, not inspecting, not learning. This rots the brain. I remember this from when I was a kid, too. Girls like that seem retarded for the other boys. When a girl spends so much time trying to be "beautiful".. Well, really. Believe me, we detect something is off there. When men grow they just learn it's not that girls are retarded. It's just them wanting to be interesting for the boys and for the other women. But when the adolescence kicks in, the neural purge is cruel. Many girls didn't exercice their brains and in fact end being less intelligent than they could. That sucks. I'm sure it's easy to find studies about this and that they will show how at first we are all or less equally intelligent and how that declines for girls after puberty. I fought so much so my daughter didn't have to experience that. And I won. But it was difficult. Because all women wanted her to be stupid. All women wanted her to be a decoration. All women wanted her to behave like they wanted.

    We want to please girls. Yes, read this again. Men don't hate women. Men LOVE women. Men exist to LOVE AND CARE for women. But all women except my wife told my daughter that men were bad. Men only wanted to fuck her, abuse her. Well, no man abused my daughter. She LAUGHTED every time a women told her that. Thanks God. Do you want to know what men from the family told her? Just have fun and hang with nice people. Women only spoke about guys touching girls. She commented how SHE and HER FRIENDS liked to do the same (in a playful way, of course) to other nice guys if that was appropriate. Context is all.

    I have been reading your posts from time to time, and I just can't help but feel sorry for you and all the girls that think like you. You have been brainwashed. I think you may have the same age as my daughter. You couldn't be more far from her, though. She's so happy. She has so much fun at work. She loved so much her time at the university. She had good days and bad days, as everyone. She never needed to go to "decompress" at a WC while other people is waiting to relieve their needs. What the fuck. Men read something like that. And your rants about men not understanding the "pressure" women have. And the periods. And being impregnated. What the fuck, really. Men read that and can't help but think you are a fucking snow flake. Intelligent women read that and can't help but laugh at you. My wife laughted when I showed her that. You are full of hate and you are ending underdeveloped for that. You could be so much. Like my daughter. You could be happy. You are having a miserable life fighting a good fight against... Ghosts.

    If that's what feminism is all about... Hating men, and telling women to become men, well... Thanks God my daughter was not infected by that nonsense. What frightens me the most is that, in fact, in a sense she is all what feminists would like girls to be. Intelligent, educated, independent, strong. But she's like that because I fought for 20 years so women would not brainwash her. Some wanted her to be a fucking doll. And the others wanted her to be a man.

    Fuck you all. Do you want to know what she is? She is HER. Fuck you and your bitterness at life. The problem it's inside yourself for taking the ill advice from the bitter people feminists and some women are.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 06 2019, @12:08PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 06 2019, @12:08PM (#797134)

      been -> seen

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