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Man Dies After Taking Loaded Concealed Gun Into An MRI Scan
A man has died of his injuries, after taking a concealed weapon into a magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) room.
[. . . . ] “Both the patient and [her] companion were properly instructed regarding the procedures for accessing the examination room and warned about the removal of any and all metallic objects,” Laboratorio Cura said in a statement, according to the Miami Herald.
“The firearm was not mentioned by the companion, who entered the examination room with the object by his decision.”
[. . . . ] According to reports, the gun advocate's weapon was pulled out of his waistband by the machine, before it discharged into his stomach. de Novaes had a license to carry the weapon, but it is not clear why he didn't remove it prior to entering the machine. Before his death on February 6, the lawyer regularly posted pro-gun content to his TikTok channel, according to the New York Post.
People have been fatally sucked into MRI machines before, generally when metal oxygen tanks have been brought in with patients.
Tragic as this may be for him and his family and friends, I have to wonder several things.
Did he not understand the danger? (was "remove all" and "no metal" insufficiently clear?)
Did he not care about following instructions? (even instructions intended to protect him)
Did he have a predilection for ignoring orders or instructions because he felt he is not subject to rules everyone else must follow?
Did he consider his right to carry a gun so important that it supersedes the laws of physics? Who needs laws? Especially physics which are generally liberals trying to tell us how everything must be.
Other possible explanation? (necessary for a lawsuit against the hospital)
Radio Shack: You've got questions, we've got blank stares!
See Also:
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Man Dies After Being Sucked Into An MRI Machine
(Score: 4, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 09, @04:39PM (1 child)
Lawyer and gun nut. Darwin Award?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Thursday March 09, @05:09PM
Can lawyers make an appeal to get a permanent exception to allow them to take their firearms with them into the inferno abyss perdition? Especially if they can swing an eternal concealed carry permit. But then I have heard: "you can't take it with you".[1][2] While that may refer to riches and worldly possessions, I suspect it includes firearms also.
[1] [biblegateway.com]
[2] [biblegateway.com] (notice it says "descend")
Two footnotes is a Twofer.
How often should I have my memory checked? I used to know but...
(Score: 3, Insightful) by owl on Thursday March 09, @05:51PM (12 children)
This is indeed a possibility. He may a member of that rather larger than it should be group of pedestrians who walk, full speed ahead, into a crosswalk crossing a 35mph speed limit, 4-lane, two way road, without looking or caring about where any of the cars are positioned on that road, because "pedestrian has right of way" obviously means the laws of physics don't apply there either.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 09, @09:20PM (11 children)
It is incredible to me that he was actually able to sneak a gun into the room. I have had at least a couple MRI scans over the years. My recollection is that before going into the examination room you are taken to a changing area where you are supposed to put ALL your clothes and possessions into a locker and put on a hospital gown. And, yes, there are signs all over the place warning you of the hazards associated with bringing anything metal into the exam room! You go into that examination room wearing nothing but your birthday suit under that hospital gown. How the hell was he able to sneak a gun into the room?!?
(Score: 3, Informative) by cmdrklarg on Thursday March 09, @10:23PM (4 children)
He wasn't the one being examined. He was accompanying the patient.
I saw some videos on the subject of metal objects in the MRI room: very BAD idea. There was one demonstration where they showed an office chair being pulled towards the MRI machine with about a ton of force.
I wonder is this was yet another case of freedumb, where his sense of personal liberty was inspired by his stupidity.
Sure, the rights of the ammosexual shall not be infringed by the government, but the 2A says nothing about the laws of physics.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 10, @03:56AM (2 children)
He was supposedly a fuckin' lawyer! Allegedly, those guys are supposed to, at the least, be able to read. As I recall there are big signs on the doors to the exam room that say things like "DANGER! NO METAL OBJECTS BEYOND THIS POINT!" in big 6+ inch tall letters. How hard can it be to understand this?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 10, @07:32AM (1 child)
Feh! Literacy is overrated!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 10, @05:29PM
But the laws of physics are not?
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday March 10, @06:14PM
The article(s) make that clear. The headline does not.
Some of the questions I asked, lead in that general direction.
One of the linked articles shows a photo of such a configuration.
How often should I have my memory checked? I used to know but...
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 09, @11:08PM (5 children)
> And, yes, there are signs all over the place warning you of the hazards ...
And yet familiarity breeds contempt (or something like that?) An older friend was just in for an MRI a few weeks ago and complained after about the hellish noise. I asked why he wasn't wearing ear plugs and it seems that none of the staff told him about noise or offered ear plugs. Luckily his hearing has survived, but still this seems like grounds for a pretty serious complaint.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 09, @11:30PM (4 children)
They are supposed to give you an MRI headset before putting you in. Those things are way above the noise limits and they'll need the headset to give you directions. If I were your friend, I would call the facility that did it. Maybe get your hearing checked or talk to a lawyer first. That could prevent it from happening in the future to other patients and they might give a nice settlement to make the problem go away since they are definitely and obviously in the wrong.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 10, @07:34AM
And now there's one less lawyer to choose from!*
*Too soon?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 10, @05:35PM (2 children)
As I understand it, Leandro Mathias de Novaes is no longer available to take the case.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 10, @11:30PM (1 child)
Sorry. I thought the "good" part of the lawyer's ability would be assumed.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 14, @03:18PM
Good lawyers may be as mythical as unicorns.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 09, @05:54PM (9 children)
The freedom to make your own decisions as an adult, also allows one to bears the weight of those decisions. It seems like they just grossly misunderstood the power of an MRI machine's magnetic force. You can't legislate IQ.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday March 09, @08:11PM (2 children)
Some adults might be incapable of understanding physics.
Some adults might be incapable of understanding the machine's extreme magnetic force.
Shirley they are capable of understanding the signs. Aslan told Jill: Remember the signs!
How often should I have my memory checked? I used to know but...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 09, @09:09PM (1 child)
Well, he probably understands now!
My guess is that he saw the signs and thought "Gun-free zones are for pansies and sissies!" I hate to say it but his auto-darwination probably raised the IQ of the entire planet. I just hope he didn't further pollute the gene pool of the next generation by breeding.
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Friday March 10, @05:41PM
"Too Soon?" Considering the person died, they probably understood all too well for a very short period of time.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Thursday March 09, @09:32PM (5 children)
And when John Q Dumbass CAN'T just replace a bajillion dollar MRI machine? Who ends up bearing the weight of that decision?
(Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Friday March 10, @05:35AM (4 children)
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday March 10, @06:18PM (3 children)
I assume you are trying to imply that the owners pick up the cost.
They do initially. But in reality, in the end, we all end up paying for it. Even if indirectly through higher insurance premiums.
How often should I have my memory checked? I used to know but...
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday March 10, @07:49PM (2 children)
Only if you go to that particular hospital and they don't clean up their act.
(Score: 3, Informative) by DannyB on Friday March 10, @10:18PM
If other people who go to that hospital are on the same insurance carrier you are on, I think there is a strong possibility that the entire costs of covering everyone's health care, are spread across the entire subscriber base. That is kind of the purpose of insurance. I may not need a $100,000 operation this year. But somebody will. Similar for fire insurance. My house probably won't burn down this year. But somebody's will.
How often should I have my memory checked? I used to know but...
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday March 11, @03:08AM
(Score: 3, Touché) by turgid on Thursday March 09, @06:34PM (4 children)
At least no terrorists, bank robbers or other ne'r-do-wells got past him.
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday March 09, @08:14PM (2 children)
Can we be sure he isn't one of the terrorists or bank robbers?
People who choose those career paths in high school often turn out not to be the brightest bulbs. Especially bank robbers.
At least the school bullies in high school get career guidance cancelling that advises them to become a police officer.
How often should I have my memory checked? I used to know but...
(Score: 2) by turgid on Thursday March 09, @08:42PM (1 child)
It was an attempt at humour that fell flat, my point being that the gun is like the rock you keep outside the front door of your house to keep tigers away.
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 3, Funny) by janrinok on Friday March 10, @12:09PM
That is the way I read it too. Better luck next time.
But as a point of accuracy - my rock also works for iguanas, kerrawary and polar bears. I've not had a problem with any of those or tigers in this part of France. If yours doesn't I reckon you have been sold a dud!
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 09, @11:33PM
The only way to stop a bad MRI machine with a gun...
(Score: 3, Funny) by Runaway1956 on Thursday March 09, @11:43PM (10 children)
All of my experiences with MRIs has a patient and a technician in the room. Sometimes, a second technician. No visitors to hold the patient's hand, as hand holding is going to screw something up. So - - - why was there a non-technician in the room?
This is a lawyer thing, not a gun owner thing. Lawyers are very special people who need not obey any laws, unless and until they piss off a judge.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2, Touché) by khallow on Friday March 10, @05:36AM (1 child)
Or get shot in the stomach.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 12, @10:54PM
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is an MRI with his gun.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 10, @05:58PM (6 children)
I think Maxwell, Gauss, Faraday, Ampère, et al. would disagree with you.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 10, @08:02PM (4 children)
You left out Newton ... [youtube.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 10, @11:24PM
Newton was a lawyer?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 11, @12:09AM (2 children)
et al. = et alia = Latin for "and others".
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday March 11, @03:14AM (1 child)
(Score: 2) by Ingar on Saturday March 11, @12:04PM
Newton was replaced by Einstein.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 12, @12:42AM
Nope, nobody follows those laws.
Those laws describe things.
Predicting is different than forcing. I can predict with pretty good sigma whether racers will turn left or right by looking at the circuit, but I am in no way dictating them anything. How != why.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 12, @02:29AM
I am not sure I understand your point: the NRA should provide every lawyer with a complimentary handgun that they may *accidentally* fatally wound themselves?
More guns being the solution to every problem, no?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 10, @01:54AM (2 children)
pwn3d
Is he Darwin Award eligible?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 10, @05:40PM (1 child)
Eligible?!? My guess is that he going to be, hands down, the winner this year! Maybe even the winner of the decade!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 11, @06:05AM
Only if he hasn't reproduced.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 10, @10:29AM (8 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 10, @05:46PM (2 children)
Probably. It sounds like the MRI machine disarmed the intruder pretty quickly. Even used the intruder's own weapon against him. Most likely, the DA will decide this was a good shoot; no plans to prosecute.
(Score: 3, Touché) by DannyB on Friday March 10, @06:20PM (1 child)
The MRI machine stood its ground.
How often should I have my memory checked? I used to know but...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 10, @07:31PM
When will they install MRIs in Congress?
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Friday March 10, @05:49PM (1 child)
Probably, it sounds like the gun had a clear line of fire.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 11, @03:42AM
Inside an MRI a gun can probably shoot around corners.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 10, @11:53PM
I asked this very same question to a radiologist yesterday. He said that they could start the controlled depowering and possibly the controlled rundown processes. Once the magnets are at a low enough level, the magnetic fields will weaken to the point that you can remove the gun. As long as the magnets stay above the minimum service power and the gun didn't damage the MRI, they can put it back into service immediately once the fields restabilize in 15 to 120 minutes. If they had to be rundown the MRI past that point, the MRI will probably be taken out of service for about a week for its scheduled service, unscheduled magnet service, and performance testing.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 12, @11:43PM (1 child)
How about the gun?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 14, @05:28AM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 12, @12:34AM (1 child)
guy drives while texting and crashes. therefore cellphones are bad. DannyB logic or lack thereof.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 13, @09:35PM
No, ya doofus! Neither guns nor cellphones are bad. It's the idiots who use them that are "bad" (or foolish, or whatever). Next time, try not to reflexively jerk your knee when you see a story about someone offing themselves in a particularly stupid way with their own gun.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 12, @06:44AM (1 child)
I wonder if this now dead lawyer took any training at all before carrying a gun around. Perhaps someone handed him the gun and told him "always keep this with you", so that's what he did.
No reports I read said what kind of gun it was. If the lawyer was told that the gun was a polymer gun (that is, the grip is made of plastic), he might not have actually realized that the slide and barrel are still metal, not to mention the bullets.
I'm just curious as to which brain fart it was that killed him. Probably never know. But a gun enthusiast would be very unlikely to make this mistake. I'd bet he was someone who thought just carrying a gun would act like a magic talisman to keep the bad things away, instead of a tool that can be misused or mishandled if you don't know what you're doing.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 13, @10:01PM
You may recall that back when Obama was President there was a gun buying frenzy because of a near-continuous hysteria that Democrats were about to "grab yer guns". I recall one time seeing a story in which a woman was about to become a first-time handgun owner. The part that made me cringe was when she said that she was buying the gun immediately and would take a course on gun safety a vague future time "later". These are the types of people that end up killing themselves with their own weapon.