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Creator of horrible puns I try to inflict on people daily. I haven't been voluntarily or involuntarily committed to a mental institution yet -- as far as I can tell. Despite programming in Java.
From Law and Crime...
Judge Orders Arizona GOP to Pay Up for Filing ‘Groundless’ Lawsuit Challenging 2020 Election Results
A Superior Court judge in Maricopa County, Arizona on Monday ordered the Arizona Republican Party to pay more than $18,000 in attorneys’ fees which were incurred through the GOP’s lawsuits challenging the results of the 2020 election. The party filed a lawsuit against Arizona Secretary of State Katie Hobbs (D) in November asking the court to perform a second hand-count audit of the county’s voting tabulations despite the fact that the initial hand-count audit showed no indication of any election irregularities or evidence of voter fraud.
In a brutal 10-page ruling, Judge John Hannah excoriated the state GOP for filing a “groundless” claim that was “without substantial justification,” saying the “relief sought was not legally available from the parties that were sued at the time the suit was filed.”
Now this sounds like someone who refuses to listen and can't stop running their mouth.
“The other parties pointed out these procedural defects in their motions to dismiss, but the plaintiff’s response to the motions barely addressed them,” Hannah wrote. “The response to the fee application mostly continues to brush them aside even though they were the basis of the dismissal order. The plaintiff focuses instead on what section 16-602 says about hand count audit procedures, on the reasons for the hasty filing of the complaint, and on perceived public concerns about the election’s ‘integrity’ or ‘legitimacy.’ None of that addresses the viability of the actual claims.”
From USA Today . . .
Judge rips Arizona GOP for 'groundless' lawsuit challenging Biden's win, orders it to pay legal fees
From Yahoo . . .
Judge rips Arizona GOP for 'groundless' lawsuit challenging Biden's win, orders it to pay legal fees
Instead of living up to the "privileged position in the electoral process" afforded to it by state law, Hannah said, the party sought to undermine Arizonans' confidence in election results.
"The public has a right to expect the Arizona Republican Party to conduct itself respectfully," he wrote. "It has failed to do so in this case."
[ . . . . ] Secretary of State Katie Hobbs said the "damage inflicted upon our democracy by frivolous lawsuits and conspiracy theories can't be measured in dollars." But she called the order "good news for taxpayers" and said it sent an important message to "those willing to abuse the legal process for political purposes."
Arizona GOP attorney Jack Wilenchik, on the other hand, said directives like Hannah's serve only to "stop plaintiffs from rightfully invoking the courts to hear their issues." He said the order "encourages public distrust in the government for being openly hostile to them."
And that thing about when to stop digging . . .
"We will be appealing this ruling, and it will be reversed," Wilenchik said.
More from the Yahoo article . . .
"These were flimsy excuses for a lawsuit. The hand count is not meant to create data points for political parties to 'cross-check with other voter registration data.' The purpose of the hand count audit is to compare the results of the machine count to the hand count to assure that the machines are working properly and accurately counting votes.”
Maricopa County's hand count, which had bipartisan oversight, matched electronic counts exactly. But the Republican Party insisted state law explicitly required the county to use the precinct-based method, rather than the center-based method outlined in the secretary of state's Election Procedures Manual – despite the law deferring to that manual to outline voting center rules.
From Forbes . . .
Arizona GOP Must Pay $18,000 In Legal Fees For Failed Election Lawsuit
The Arizona lawsuit was one of more than 60 failed court cases brought by former President Donald Trump and his allies after the election seeking to overturn or sow distrust in the presidential results, despite a lack of credible evidence showing any wrongdoing or voter fraud. Arizona GOP chairwoman Kelli Ward was involved in a number of other lawsuits in addition to the hand count request, including attorney Sidney Powell’s lawsuit in the state and another challenge that were both thrown out by the U.S. Supreme Court. The legal fees could portend even more consequences Republican litigants will soon face for their unsuccessful legal battles, as complaints and investigations against them mount. Several counties in Georgia are asking the Trump campaign and state GOP for nearly $17,000 in legal fees, Powell and other attorneys are facing an ethics complaint in Arizona and potential sanctions and disbarment in Michigan and far-right attorney Lin Wood is being investigated by the State Bar of Georgia, among other potential punishments.
All those links in the immediately above Forbes article are very interesting.
From AZCentral . . .
Judge rips Arizona GOP for election lawsuit, orders party to pay thousands in legal fees
In all of these lawsuits, if there were any beef there, don't you think this would have gone somewhere? But then you hear about GOP attorneys being investigated, and words like investigated, sanctions, disbarment and punishments.
Maybe it really is some vast secret conspiracy across many states, involving state governors, state elections officers, state courts, local elections officials and up to the US Supreme Court. Or maybe there were some Republicans who didn't vote for Trump but voted for Republican congress on the very same ballots.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by DannyB on Monday March 22 2021, @05:38PM (3 children)
A Treasure Hunter, a Satanism Expert, and Mike Lindell Fight to Overturn Biden Win in Arizona [thedailybeast.com]
“Arizona is always, unfortunately, on the leading edge of conspiracy theories and craziness,” said former Maricopa County Democratic Party chairman Steven Slugocki.
(links omitted, follow link to original story if you want the in-story links)
It is comforting to know Trump will be back in office by this summer.
But continuing . . .
I've got to go bleach my brain now.
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 4, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Monday March 22 2021, @06:27PM (2 children)
Facts in Capitol Riot ‘Do Support’ Sedition Charges, Prosecutor Says [nymag.com]
It'll be fun getting to throw around "convicted seditionist" as an accurate descriptor for these folks should the charges stick.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 22 2021, @08:54PM (1 child)
Been awhile since we've hard some confirmed seditionists. Sorta seem like the same types as before too.
(Score: 0) by Anti-aristarchus on Monday March 22 2021, @09:13PM
There were the anti-revolutionary Loyalists, who fled to Canada, not to mention the Confederates, Johnny Confirmed-seditionists.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday March 22 2021, @05:49PM (13 children)
The lawsuits were clearly frivolous, and nobody was sanctioned for it.
Rule 11 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure [federalrulesofcivilprocedure.org]
I hope the absence of such charges don't indicate some merit not mentioned in the press
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(Score: 5, Insightful) by DannyB on Monday March 22 2021, @05:55PM (12 children)
If there is some merit, I hope the press isn't withholding it. But it seems that some press, especially right wing press would jump all over that to be the first one to break such a story. It would be above the fold news if there real evidence of some kind of massive election fraud. A Trump Republican official said: the most secure election in history. He would be proven wrong. A paradox.
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday March 22 2021, @06:12PM (11 children)
I'll have to defer to the creators of this little drama. After all, maximum profit and subjugation and ratings is the goal above all else, successful on all counts.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 4, Touché) by DannyB on Monday March 22 2021, @06:28PM (10 children)
Giant conspiracy theories are amusing ideas. Especially government cover ups. The deep state. It is even more interesting if you can throw in demons and Satan worshiping pedophile sex trafficking cannibals who drink the blood of babies. And secret Jewish space lasers. Covid-19 was a convenient coincidence to feed into this.
I don't think the founding fathers would have conceived that anyone in congress would believe such things. But I don't really know their thinking.
The thing is, a few decades ago, most adults could tell reality from fantasy.
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday March 22 2021, @06:55PM (8 children)
So, the CIA really doesn't exist? Did Salvador Allende really commit suicide by shooting himself 37 times? And there is No Such Agency? And James Clapper can't tell a lie?
Eh, whatever, this stuff is a good way to kill any investigation into the real shit. I can see why mass media keeps pumping it.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday March 22 2021, @07:16PM (7 children)
I am unclear what your point is?
There is clear evidence the CIA exists. Their building has a perimeter. If you approach it you will be contacted. Similar with NSA. A best friend from college who lives in Washington DC drove me around giving me a tour in early 2013. The NSA even has a museum which we did visit. (and about a month later, the Snowden stuff hit, and a couple months later, I quit watching CNN)
I would suspect that James Clapper, like all humans not named Trump can tell lies. Is there some other question about James Clapper?
Maybe you have a real argument there about why mass media pumps conspiracy theories. Of course, it sounds like a conspiracy theory. But if it is real, there are people who would be interested in investigating. The question still remains why today unlike decades past, we have grown adults who so readily and uncritically accept conspiracy theories as fact. And I mean really crazy conspiracy theories.
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday March 22 2021, @07:28PM (6 children)
The media is being used to cover up real conspiracies with all this lunacy, which would quickly disappear if not for all the coverage and attention it gets. The magic works, so as it goes, I can't argue against success. It's just disappointing, that's all.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Monday March 22 2021, @07:47PM (1 child)
It is disappointing that (some) media pushes conspiracy theories. Not all media sells this.
It is even more disappointing that (some) grown adults uncritically accept whatever conspiracy theories they are fed. Hook, line and sinker.
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 2, Touché) by fustakrakich on Monday March 22 2021, @08:16PM
Well, we sure got a lot of that with the "Russian hackers", despite the proven ease of spoofing such things. It seems that people just run with whatever supports their personal proclivities.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Monday March 22 2021, @09:16PM (3 children)
What real conspiracies are the media being used to cover up?
I don't get it. The conspiracies I keep hearing about are things like Trump actually won (despite no evidence) and JFK jnr coming back to be his vice president when he is sworn in on March 4th.
Those are just a couple of examples. If you have something more believable I'd love to hear it.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday March 22 2021, @09:45PM (2 children)
Real conspiracies are offtopic, I'm not allowed to talk about them. The Trump thing, beyond the phenomenon itself, which is standard fascism of the masses as described back in the 30s, is just a silly circus show to me. About as useful as college basketball/football. On the other hand, if there's a way to make book...
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 3, Insightful) by PartTimeZombie on Monday March 22 2021, @11:57PM (1 child)
That'd be a no then.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday March 23 2021, @12:10AM
Not here. I have my own journal for that. Got one now that kinda relates to why conspiracy theories become so popular and what actually fuels them. Here they want to talk about judges doing what they were supposed to do when the case showed up on the docket, which I already commented on.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 23 2021, @05:15AM
This is slightly off topic but I brought up comparisons between the Qanon amalgamation of conspiracies and the Satanic Panic to a relative. I should have fastened my seatbelt because I forgot that they believe that one was real too.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by DannyB on Monday March 22 2021, @06:04PM (33 children)
I didn't even go looking for this. It was just in the news today. In fact, I didn't go looking for the above articles either.
The rioter next door: How the Dallas suburbs spawned domestic extremists [washingtonpost.com]
There's just so much crazy here. I wish I could quote it all.
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 2, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Monday March 22 2021, @06:25PM (32 children)
Not really, the true spawning is in DC and state capitols with all the official corruption, lies, and secrecy and the complicit media. The fables are created in the absence of truth, they simply fill the void.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 5, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Monday March 22 2021, @06:29PM (15 children)
Or, and I know this may sound crazy, we blame the terrorists who actually commit the acts of terror.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday March 22 2021, @06:33PM (14 children)
Vaccine patents are killing more people than your "terrorism". But hey, you pick your own fights..
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 3, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Monday March 22 2021, @06:35PM (12 children)
When in doubt, whatabout!
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday March 22 2021, @06:41PM (11 children)
That's it. Gloss it over. Run for cover! Your silence speaks loudly. Official corruption aids and abets terrorism
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(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday March 22 2021, @06:48PM (10 children)
I would be happy to discuss that in an ON-Topic thread.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday March 22 2021, @07:01PM
:-) You didn't show up, which is too bad. I am curious about how you would defend it.
Anyway, you are always big on this "incitement" thing. And I just showed you where that comes from, very much on topic.
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(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday March 22 2021, @07:18PM (8 children)
I was thinking exactly as you are.
He should start a journal article with information about vaccine topics. It would be interesting. I'm sure there would be valuable discussion.
But here it is just tossing in a grenade to deflect from the topic.
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday March 22 2021, @07:18PM
I meant to say vaccine patents. That really would be interesting.
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday March 22 2021, @07:34PM (6 children)
:-) Link [soylentnews.org]
In case you need another example of the corruption that starts and fuels wacky and wonderful conspiracy theories.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Monday March 22 2021, @07:50PM (5 children)
If you had a point, I missed it.
Is your point that vaccine patents are a conspiracy theory? Or that these patents are killing people? I don't know anything about vaccine patents. So an article that starts off with some facts would be interesting. Especially if patents are killing people. But you throw that topic out for no apparent reason other than to change the subject.
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 22 2021, @08:03PM
Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! You are a winner!!!
When fusty has run out of rhetorical ammunition his last line of defense is to throw a grenade and pretend he has some oblique point he is trying to make. So sorry it took you this long to figure this out.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday March 22 2021, @08:05PM (3 children)
If you prefer, we can discuss over there to avoid any more distraction here. I'm telling you about the things that start conspiracy theories.. It starts at the top. Their lies and secrecy ignite the feeding frenzy and subsequent ant mill. It doesn't start in Dallas.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 22 2021, @08:17PM (2 children)
It all started with the Big Bang.
But seriously, there is much more to it than fixing the top of the chain. A lot of these wild conspiracies and extremist ideas have nothing to do with Washington leadership. Yes top level corruption plays a part, but some of the problems come from elsewhere. The GOP Southern Strategy has nothing to do with general corruption and everything to do with political propaganda and religious culture wars. Everything in human society is interconnected, all you seem to do is continue pointing at the political puppets as if that would solve all of our problems. Clearly that is bullshit since Biden is now in office telling everyone to wear masks yet some states are removing mask requirements, and Fox is busy telling conservatives how oppressed they are right now with "muh freedom" bullshit narratives.
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I've noticed your attempts to criticize the GOP a little more, but as usual you are totall suspicious since it is always a lead in to how the dems are the real problem. You'll have to do better, you're still a rightwing troll as far as I'm concerned, just recently trying to push a more bi-partisan narrative so your propaganda has better sticking power.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday March 23 2021, @02:37AM (1 child)
I don't care about "bipartisan", that's your narrative, not mine. Try being nonpartisan. Your DNC/GOP are the people doing this. Until you demand transparency and authenticity from the people you elect as leaders, you will only have more people believing the Harper Valley PTA gossip conspiracy theories brewing right next door to you, and the absence of accurate factual reporting will fuel the faithful worldwide
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(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 23 2021, @04:34PM
Funny how you troll mod then shit out a defensive reply if a comment gets enough upmods. Totally not a shill, indeedly doodly!
(Score: 4, Interesting) by PartTimeZombie on Monday March 22 2021, @09:20PM
The guy who used to be in charge of your country managed to kill 500,000 people in the last year, but you're blaming patents now? Ok then.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday March 22 2021, @06:38PM (15 children)
It seems that some media would find it profitable and good ratings to fill the void with truth.
Some of the things the conspiracy theorists say are so crazy that it should be obvious to most reasonable grown adults that they are crazy.
If Trump is going to be back in power by this summer, I wonder if Elvis will come out of hiding too? It would be about time.
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday March 22 2021, @06:44PM (14 children)
On the contrary, it will offend the sponsors who would then divert their financing elsewhere. Remember, they are pigs, their money props up the lies, gives them a platform.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday March 22 2021, @06:47PM (13 children)
It is interesting that ALL sponsors would support the lies, and NO sponsors would support the truth.
That almost sounds like a conspiracy theory. Or maybe there is some explanation how the lies we are actually seeing can somehow benefit commercial sponsors who run ads. I don't see it. But I could possibly be convinced.
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday March 22 2021, @07:12PM (12 children)
The big ones do, or they would lose their "bigness". The Wall Street rain forest canopy (the people getting all that fed money right now) is a whole different economy. It is a world of hyper wealth and privilege. Whatever they do has no consequence on them. It is true anarchy with no controls of any kind, except for the fact that they also eat their own, and we hide from the bombs.
tl;dr version, they are psychopaths, you cannot operate at that level without being one. See? the razor is sharp
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(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday March 22 2021, @07:21PM (11 children)
Just to pick an example, and it is fine if you choose a different one; how does, say, Coke or State Farm benefit from conspiracy theories and lose out if those theories were discredited?
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday March 22 2021, @07:57PM (8 children)
I'm not going to waste much time on this. You already know the answers to that and more.
This will have to suffice [tandfonline.com] as an example of corp/gov't lies and coverups that fuel conspiracy theories. Pick any industry you like, tobacco, agriculture, energy, transport. They provide the nourishment to the wackos to keep them distracted.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 22 2021, @08:33PM (7 children)
<raises an eyebrow> Oh, really?
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday March 22 2021, @08:57PM (6 children)
Amusingly, It seems like all of this wasted a great deal of time with various red herrings.
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 22 2021, @10:34PM
Yes, that was kind of my point. That, and the fact that he has not been "wasting much time" for the last few years on wild-eyed conspiracy theories about his perception of "the true corruption" at the highest levels of government and corporate power.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday March 23 2021, @12:13AM (4 children)
Why? You want to know what fuels conspiracy theories, don't you? Or is it all "Russians"?
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(Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday March 23 2021, @01:49PM (3 children)
The thing that fuels conspiracy theories is the number of people who uncritically accept whatever they are told online by certain media. Those very same statements would have been laughed at by all adults a few decades ago.
In short: fire doesn't burn without
foolfuel.If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday March 23 2021, @05:55PM (2 children)
They believe them because they believe they have nobody to put out the truth, and they are not entirely wrong because of official secrecy and lies, so they will believe anything, no matter how wacky. The sequence of events are as plain as day. If we ever decide to demand transparency instead of charades from our elected leadership, the problem will naturally wither away. For now our society is made of adolescent gossip, but censorship is the wrong course of action. Our obligation is to make the government serve as a fountain of truth, not to tell people what to believe.
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(Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday March 23 2021, @06:07PM (1 child)
Maybe the media should become that fountain of truth? The media once held government accountable.
Unlike any past president, Trump, when confronted with facts and hard questions would say: Fake News.
So the fake news was what people listened to because any real news (and I don't mean CNN) was called fake by the president.
You can't shift the blame here.
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday March 23 2021, @06:32PM
The media can't until the government does. Without that, there's no money in it. Like with medicine, the government needs to compete to keep the players honest. The media is controlled by the rich. But we have complete control over the government, rich and poor alike. All our votes carry equal weight if we are vigilant, our dollars not so much. But we are a paranoid primitive culture. The government we have is the result.
:-) Never did. That is precisely what I said early on. Official lies and secrecy fuel the fake news business. The circle is complete. Or shall we stroll around the ant mill one more time?
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(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 22 2021, @08:06PM (1 child)
Fusty's original point was that the massive amount of corruption in federal and state level politics is what allows the more ridiculous conspiracies to gain traction.
Of course then he delves further into the standard fusty rant of "all politicians bad" which doesn't mesh with the reality of corporate sponsorships being pulled from the truly insane wackos. As usual he has a core valid point, but spins off pretty easily because he just seems incapable of any nuance with his "both sides" rhetoric. Is there truth to the oligarch bi-partisan corruption? Sure. Is it as simple as fusty likes to claim? No.
The nuttier conspiracies are driven by GOP desperation to maintain their voting base, along with opening the blankets for Putin's propaganda teams to get all warm and cozy with US conservatives. Weirdest shit ever.
(Score: 2, Touché) by fustakrakich on Monday March 22 2021, @08:41PM
Oh dear!
Really, man! Conspiracies everywhere...
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(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 22 2021, @08:30PM (2 children)
I think their "issues" would be best handled in a clinical environment. Well, that is, unless a court order needs to be obtained for involuntary confinement in a mental institution. Just sayin'.
It looks to me like really the courts (and most of the rest of us) are "openly hostile" to gaslighting. Yes, there is a big difference. I sure hope that some of these lawyers get disbarred for pushing this bullshit in court.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday March 22 2021, @09:15PM
What I want to know is how throwing out a meritless case discourages others with legitimate cases from availing themselves of the courts?
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 4, Insightful) by cmdrklarg on Tuesday March 23 2021, @03:07PM
They are flinging bullshit at the wall of the courts to see if any of them stick. Once they get a toehold with this line of bullshit you can kiss this democratic republic goodbye.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 1) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday March 22 2021, @09:55PM (9 children)
Sounds to me like their appeal has more likelihood of succeeding than the original case ever did, going by the rather less than unbiased and nonpartisan phrasing of the decision. The judge was likely correct and yet it still may very well get overturned because of the rather thick helping of prejudice written in to the decision itself.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 22 2021, @10:38PM (8 children)
Apparently, prejudice does not mean what you think it means.
(Score: 1) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday March 23 2021, @01:07PM (7 children)
prae: before
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judicium: judgment
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praejudicium
It means judging before you should be able to. Making up your mind before the facts are presented. Taking a shortcut to judgment, usually on irrelevant criteria. Maybe you should get a dictionary if you're not going to learn your own language.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday March 23 2021, @03:27PM (1 child)
If you're standing in front of a judge it is no longer a pre-judgement.
(Score: 1) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday March 24 2021, @12:10PM
Dude. If he's already decided before the evidence has been presented, and it sounds very much like he had, it's most assuredly prejudice. You know this, I know this, and the appellate courts know this.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday March 23 2021, @03:45PM (2 children)
Judges aren't supposed to have an opinion about the outcome at the start of a case. They definitely are supposed to have an opinion about it at the end.
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 1) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday March 24 2021, @12:11PM (1 child)
His opinions smack of having been polished for quite some many years. Can you read them and truthfully say otherwise?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday March 24 2021, @02:03PM
If there is evidence of such a pattern, but especially bias, it can be used in an appeal. A mere pattern of following the law should now work against a judge. But a pattern of bias might be a different can of geese.
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 23 2021, @04:03PM (1 child)
Oh, this is beyond rich, coming from you, little carrion! Did you really think that over the years of making yourself look like a fool so many times that anyone is going to be so easily cowed by your feigned bravura? I won't deign to be lectured by you about "learning my own language". Beyond your apparent confusion concerning applying a dictionary definition to the discussion at hand, you might also want to learn a little bit about how the law actually works. If, after hearing both sides in a case, the judge tells you that your case is meritless partisan bullshit, that is not "prejudicial". No, that is an opinion coming down from the court. An uncomfortable opinion (for you), yes. But it is not a prejudicial opinion. Hope that helps.
(Score: 1) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday March 24 2021, @12:14PM
If he went into the case hating the claimant, yes, it was a prejudiced decision. There is a reason we have the concept of and a phrase for "recused himself".
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 23 2021, @02:20AM (14 children)
This just in: Sidney Powell argues in new court filing that no reasonable people would believe her election fraud claims. [cnn.com] Each time I think this could just not get any more weird, Republicans prove me wrong yet again.
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Tuesday March 23 2021, @03:30PM
She is absolutely correct with that statement. Unfortunately for us there are a lot of UNreasonable people out there ripe for gaslighting.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by DannyB on Tuesday March 23 2021, @03:49PM (5 children)
Re-read Dominion's lawsuit. (I've posted the entire thing in my journal before.)
Sidney Powell (and others, including Fox Noise) present themselves as reliable sources of information that you can trust. Fair and balanced.
So were they lying when they present themselves as reliable and then make defamatory statements about Dominion?
Or are they lying now?
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 23 2021, @04:05PM
Could it possibly be that they just lie all the time?
(Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday March 23 2021, @04:32PM (1 child)
You Literally Can't Believe The Facts Tucker Carlson Tells You. So Say Fox's Lawyers [npr.org]
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday March 24 2021, @01:55PM
Facts that are given to us: (A) No reasonable person would believe Sidney Powell, (B) You can't trust anything Tucker Carlson says (and by implication Fox Noise)
Now it is clear that many Republicans (herinafter "the gullibles") believe both Sidney Powell, Tucker Carlson, Lou Dobbs, and other crackpots (Q, Alex Jones, ad nausea).
But that means "the gullibles" must not be reasonable people.
Does this give rise to a cause of action by "the gullibles" for claims of defamation that they are not reasonable and are being publicly defamed as such?
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday March 24 2021, @12:04AM (1 child)
> So were they lying when they present themselves as reliable and then make defamatory statements about Dominion?
> Or are they lying now?
Yes. To both. That is what her kind does, and the tribe of idiots that follow her eat it up, or worse, don't even care what's true and what's not, because tribalism. Nations cannot and do not survive this.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday March 24 2021, @01:46PM
Her defense is a paradox. She claims no reasonable person would believe her statements, and that she believes those statements. If no reasonable person would believe those statements, then for what motive would she repetitiously make those statements then repeatedly repeat them repeatedly?
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday March 23 2021, @05:14PM
Just wait until she find out what happened at the Capitol on Jan 6!
As a Fox "News" viewer she is likely completely unaware of what conspired.
(Score: 3, Informative) by DannyB on Tuesday March 23 2021, @05:27PM (4 children)
Right here [courtlistener.com] is item #22 on the docket. Her attempt to weasel out of this multi billion dollar damages she caused.
If you don't like documents embedded in a page (I don't) here is a direct link [courtlistener.com] to the PDF of docket item #22.
It's really short and ugly:
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday March 23 2021, @05:51PM (3 children)
The attachments to docket #22 are perhaps more interesting.
Attachment #1 [courtlistener.com] (Direct PDF download [courtlistener.com]) Proposed Order
Attachment #2 [courtlistener.com] (Direct PDF download [courtlistener.com]) MEMORANDUM OF LAW IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANTS’MOTION TO DISMISS
Attachment #3 [courtlistener.com] (Direct PDF download [courtlistener.com]) EXHIBITS TOMEMORANDUM OF LAWIN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANTS’MOTION TO DISMISS
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday March 23 2021, @06:03PM (2 children)
Did she just admit to violating Rule 11?
Rule 11. Signing Pleadings, Motions, and Other Papers; Representations to the Court; Sanctions [cornell.edu]
It's one thing for a trust fund baby opinion host like Tucker Swanson McNear Carlson to make some false claims. She's a lawyer and filed lawsuits about this stuff.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday March 23 2021, @06:11PM
If she did, it will certainly be interesting and entertaining.
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 24 2021, @01:17AM
Her lawyers are not doing her any favors, that is for sure. But their strategy is probably one that I would do as well in their situation.
They are trying to claim that her statements on television and in the press are of "political and hence partisan nature" and therefore benefit from the increased hyperbole allowed in the political arena. At the same time, they are also claiming that they are statements made "as part of the normal process of litigating issues of momentous significance and immense public interest." You are able to do both simultaneously and not run afoul of Rule 11, as long as your in court statements are not hyperbole.
But the problem comes from her attorneys not keeping her statements straight as to which ones are political in nature and which are not. And then, on Page 34, they directly say that all were within the scope of her representation in litigation. The problem that opens up is what will probably end her. As an advocate, her First Amendment rights are not unlimited when it comes to litigation and she went well beyond that several times, which would normally be fine but they just said ALL statements were within that scope. Additionally, the differences in reasonable care as to whether a statement is impugned is different. Finally, partisan comments by definition exceed the bounds of zeal allowed by the ethics rules because they are not made for a fiduciary purpose. So I think she will be fine for Rule 11, as long as they manage to walk (or crawl) that tightrope. But an ethics complaint when all this dust settles will probably not end well for her, especially if one of her former clients flips on her for incompetence.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday March 24 2021, @01:58PM
Another related article:
Pro-Trump lawyer says ‘no reasonable person’ would believe her election lies [theguardian.com]
Bu, bu, but . . . we see that on Jan 6, 2021 quite a few people believed those lies. Therefore the prosecution could argue they are unreasonable to have believed the lies.
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday March 23 2021, @06:00PM
Trump continues to insist that Pence should have 'gone back' after the Capitol riots to overturn the 2020 election results [businessinsider.com]
If vice presidents got to choose who the next president is, the history of our country would be very different.
Republicans always seem incapable of putting the shoe on the other foot. What would they think of letting the current VP, and then all subsequent VPs choose the next president?
People that scream about their rights never seem to think about anyone else's rights. What if things were turned around?
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?