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Creator of horrible puns I try to inflict on people daily. I haven't been voluntarily or involuntarily committed to a mental institution yet -- as far as I can tell. Despite programming in Java.
Background:
Loser Trump Lost. Group of crazies filed baseless lawsuit in Michigan to overturn free elections and put fascist minority in power. Court finds this entire fiasco without merit, baseless with no factual basis. State wants legal costs for this absurd waste of resources. Anyone, everyone whose name is on this lawsuit is scattering like cockroaches. Who? Me? Not I! It was someone else! I swear under plenty of perjury!
- Pro-Trump attorney Lin Wood said he had virtually nothing to do with an unsuccessful lawsuit in Michigan challenging the results of Joe Biden’s victory over Donald Trump.
- The remarks came in a hearing on whether to impose sanctions or financial penalties on the plaintiffs and their attorneys, including Sidney Powell, who filed the legal complaint. Wood is listed as counsel in the complaint.
- The lawsuit in Michigan was one of dozens of failed bids by Trump’s legal team and his allies to reverse his loss to Biden in 2020.
Pro-Trump attorney Lin Wood, who had unsuccessfully challenged the results of President Joe Biden’s 2020 election win in key states, said Monday that he had virtually nothing to do with one such election lawsuit in Michigan, where he was listed as counsel.
How do you get listed as counsel on a lawsuit and not know it?
Wood’s effort to distance himself from that case came in a contentious videoconference where a federal judge considered whether to impose sanctions or financial penalties on the plaintiffs and their attorneys, including pro-Trump “Kraken” lawyer Sidney Powell, who filed the legal complaint in November.
“I did not review any of the documents with respect to the complaint. My name was placed on there, but I had no involvement,” Wood told U.S. District Judge Linda Parker in the virtual hearing.
“I just had no involvement whatsoever with it,” Wood said, adding that he had not been following the litigation and found out about the motion for sanctions through newspaper articles.
But David Fink, a lawyer for the city of Detroit, shot back that Wood had been notified by email and first-class mail and given an opportunity to withdraw from the proceedings in mid-December.
“Any other representation by him is blatantly false,” Fink said.
[....] Powell said she “can’t imagine” she would have added Wood to the lawsuit without his express knowledge.
Yeah, right. And Powell defends herself vs Dominion by saying no reasonable person would have believe any of the lying lies she told because she is a liar whose lies cannot be believed.
Moving on. Let's try a different source.
Trump lawyers might be penalized over Michigan election case
DETROIT (AP) — A federal judge considering whether to order sanctions against some of former President Donald Trump’s lawyers spent hours Monday drilling into details about an unsuccessful lawsuit that challenged Michigan’s 2020 election results.
The lawsuit alleging widespread fraud was eventually dropped after the judge found nothing but “speculation and conjecture” that votes for Trump somehow were destroyed or switched to votes for Joe Biden, who won Michigan by 2.8 percentage points.
Well, that's not a good start.
Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and the city of Detroit now want the plaintiffs and a raft of attorneys, including Trump allies Sidney Powell and L. Lin Wood, to face the consequences of pursuing what they call frivolous claims, the first effort to wrench fines or other penalties.
“It was never about winning on the merits of the claims, but rather (the) purpose was to undermine the integrity of the election results and the people’s trust in the electoral process and in government,” the attorney general’s office said in a court filing.
[....] There is no evidence of widespread fraud in the 2020 election. Indeed, election officials from both political parties have stated publicly that the election went well, and international observers confirmed there were no serious irregularities.
See past similar fraudulent election lawsuit stories in Michigan:
So many court smackdowns
my most favoritest court smackdown
See past similar fraudulent election lawsuit stories:
Judge orders GOP to pay costs of election lawsuit
You can't make this stuff up
Judge Orders Arizona GOP to Pay Up for Filing ‘Groundless’ Lawsuit Challenging 2020 Election Results
Judge rips Arizona GOP for 'groundless' lawsuit challenging Biden's win, orders it to pay legal fees
Judge rips Arizona GOP for 'groundless' lawsuit challenging Biden's win, orders it to pay legal fees
Arizona GOP Must Pay $18,000 In Legal Fees For Failed Election Lawsuit
Judge rips Arizona GOP for election lawsuit, orders party to pay thousands in legal fees
Giuliani claims ‘Chavez approved’ Venezuelan election technology was used to rig election
Trump’s New Vote Fraud Theory Is So Much Crazier Than You Realize
(Score: 2, Interesting) by fustakrakich on Monday July 12 2021, @06:41PM (20 children)
Why didn't the judges immediately file frivolous lawsuit charges on the first day in addition to legal fees? Why doesn't the DOJ? They let it go way too far. Just keeps Trump in the headlines, exactly where he wants to be. The dems don't mind the distraction either.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday July 12 2021, @07:08PM (5 children)
One thing I learned in the SCO vs IBM fiascao (March 2003) was that these things take time. Forever. Even simple things like what you suggest will take weeks or months.
It's frustrating.
We don't just skip to the "off with their heads!" part.
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday July 12 2021, @07:30PM (4 children)
Didn't take weeks or months to bind and gag Bobby Seale..
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday July 12 2021, @08:09PM (2 children)
The wheels of justice grind at low angular velocity, but they grind exceedingly fine.
The wheels of injustice grind very rapidly with unbridled haste.
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday July 12 2021, @08:34PM (1 child)
Well, somebody's not keeping up.
*Justice delayed is justice denied.*
Some things shouldn't take more than a generation, much less a lifetime.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday July 12 2021, @09:21PM
Don't tell me. Write your congress critter. Maybe they should fund more courts and clear up the backlog.
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 12 2021, @08:09PM
50+ years ago
Bind order considered extreme
You should be happy the wheels of justice usually grind slow, rushing things through should be reserved for emergencies.
Shouldn't you be crafting a journal detailing the political activity that all the trump news is trying to distract us from? We could really benefit from someone with as much experience as yourself cataloguing some of the machinations!
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday July 12 2021, @07:14PM (1 child)
Ah yes, the Dems control the Judicial branch now including all the judges Trump appointed.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday July 12 2021, @07:25PM
:-) Getting a bit sensitive, are we? Didn't say anything about democrat judges. But if they can slam a contempt of court judgement at the drop of a hat, they can do the same for frivolous lawsuits. A contempt charge would be perfectly legitimate in these cases. None were filed. Dragging this out seems to be the intent, as there is much benefit for those involved on to do so.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 12 2021, @08:24PM (8 children)
"Why didn't the judges immediately file frivolous lawsuit charges on the first day in addition to legal fees?"
Because we have this little thing in America called due process. Yes, it can grind on painfully slow at times but that's the price we pay for living in a republic with certain guaranteed liberties. You and the folks who live in whatever shithole you are posting from should try it sometime.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday July 12 2021, @11:28PM (7 children)
Yeah, it's spread like butter
A frivolous lawsuit is a frivolous lawsuit. There is no "due process" involved. They can appeal, and hopefully get charged twice. There is no liberty to waste the court's time with frivolous bullshit, and the judge has the authority to stop it.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday July 12 2021, @11:44PM (1 child)
Fortunately, we have you. Just set up a citizens' court and fine all these people right now! Hell, I bet it wouldn't even slow down your posting.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday July 12 2021, @11:50PM
Nah, just send them to night court [youtube.com]
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 12 2021, @11:47PM (4 children)
[Foghorn Leghorn voice] Boy, ya gotta stop shooting your mouth off. It's one thing for people to think you're dumb, another for you to keep proving it. [/Foghorn Leghorn voice]
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday July 12 2021, @11:58PM (3 children)
:-) Find the due process in a contempt of court charge.. you can appeal it later, after time served
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 13 2021, @01:19AM (2 children)
There is no "due process" in a contempt of court charge because the infraction typically occurs right there in front of the judge. The judge doesn't need a jury to decide if you are being lippy and mouthing off in court. In other instances, the judge has given a specific court order which the defendant blatantly (and often very publicly) decides not to follow (e.g., a gag order). That also does not need due process because the court has already given clear instructions which the defendant has decided to ignore. Or, perhaps more accurately, the judge has already handed down a court order and the defendant has chosen to defy the order. I hope this clarifies for you.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday July 13 2021, @02:06AM
Wasting the court's time also happens right there in front of the judge. Stop making excuses... It should never have gotten past the first day.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 13 2021, @02:52AM
There actually is due process in a contempt of court charge. It's just that people usually don't push the matter because pushing it involves getting another judge involved, higher costs, and higher penalties.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday July 12 2021, @11:39PM (2 children)
Why didn't the judges just raise their divine fists to the Heavens and just make it so through force of will?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday July 12 2021, @11:55PM (1 child)
What, they do that kind of shit all the time, goes with the territory
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday July 13 2021, @01:34AM
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Monday July 12 2021, @08:07PM (10 children)
Did Nuclear Joe decide to nuke Cuba this morning?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by DannyB on Monday July 12 2021, @08:19PM (9 children)
What happened this morning was the sanctions hearing.
Hear is more news.
Federal judge grills Sidney Powell's legal team in Michigan elections sanctions case [freep.com]
Woah! Wut? Mere claims of fraud and misconduct are supposed to be investigated? Can't we just take Trump's word? Or Fox News' word? It was Dominion and Smartmatic. And the Italians using satellites to flip votes in US voting machines! Why would anyone need to investigate? Just listen to Lou Dobbs.
Isn't that why they filed this baseless lawsuit without any factual basis? To create a big outrage so people would storm the capitol?
Wait! What! Affidavits -- and the lawyers haven't even spoken to these people!
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Monday July 12 2021, @08:26PM
Biden didn't pull the trigger?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Monday July 12 2021, @08:32PM (7 children)
Alright - I'll be a little bit serious here.
You do realize that much, if not all, of that was "political speech"? I'm ambivalent on this. It's looking a lot like a witch hunt. No - don't give me that "impartial judges" stuff. We all know that patent trolls, corporations, and political parties are going to shop the courts for friendly judges. I think Trump did it, I think the Dems are doing the same. The Dems want blood, they're dragging Rs in front of Dem/liberal judges.
Now, back to that radiation. It should all blow toward Africa and the Med, right? We don't have much to worry about here in the US. You should have known that after threatening Americans with nukes, Nuclear Joe would launch some, somewhere, anywhere.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by DannyB on Monday July 12 2021, @09:31PM (2 children)
Did you read the things the judge wrote? That is not political bias. This was a frivolous lawsuit for the purposes of announcing it in right wing news media. It has no facts. No basis. If there were some facts, if this were a serious lawsuit, the lawyers who filed this wouldn't all be trying to run away like cockroaches when the light is turned on.
Earlier on requiring Lin Wood to have a mental health evaluation or be disbarred is not a political stunt. Why didn't this get major media coverage on right wing news media? Oh, because the entire thing is as embarrassing as I point out once you actually look beyond the announcement of the lawsuit.
I'm not telling you judges are perfect or impartial. But if something is terribly wrong here, it will be appealed. Furthermore, I would expect Lin Wood, Sidney Powell, et all to be screaming about it rather than running away from it because of the circus it is.
Not investigating the facts alleged in the complaint?
Affidavits without lawyers even talking to those witnesses?
That just doesn't happen in an actual lawsuit.
The taxpayers of Michigan should get their money back for legal costs of this nonsense. Just as taxpayers in Arizona did after the GOP frivolous lawsuits there fully played out. (see some of the links I provided above) Don't bring a lawsuit just for PR purposes. Be prepared to back it up. Especially when alleging something as serious as election fraud that goes to the heart of our democracy.
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday July 12 2021, @09:59PM (1 child)
Heh, back in March.. I'll be impressed if they see a dime
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday July 13 2021, @01:41PM
Yep. Another example of injustice. Just like what you pointed out earlier.
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday July 12 2021, @09:38PM (3 children)
Look at some of the antics I pointed out.
Lin Wood says: "I just had no involvement whatsoever with it", adding that he had not been following the litigation and found out about the motion for sanctions through newspaper articles.
But David Fink, a lawyer for the city of Detroit, shot back that Wood had been notified by email and first-class mail and given an opportunity to withdraw from the proceedings in mid-December.
"Any other representation by him is blatantly false," Fink said.
And then this lovely . . . Powell said she "can’t imagine" she would have added Wood to the lawsuit without his express knowledge.
That from Sidney Powell who defends herself from Dominion by saying that no reasonable person would have believed anything she said on Fox News about the voting machines.
And you're blaming the judge?
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 12 2021, @09:53PM (2 children)
RWN tactic #1, blame everyone else.
The saddest excuse for "real patriot true rugged individual manly men." No wonder their ideals are such caricatures, it is everything they wish they could be and due to the party line propaganda they all develop the same insecurities.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 13 2021, @01:40AM (1 child)
But she's not wrong!
Indeed, no reasonable person would have believed anything on Fox News.
Can't we develop some kind of poll test that would disqualify unreasonable people from voting?
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday July 13 2021, @05:46PM
Do you believe anything that is said on Fox News?
Even after Fox News got rid of Lou Dobbs?
Even after Fox News begin showing disclaimers warning that you can't trust anything Tucker Carlson or Sean Hannity says?
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday July 13 2021, @12:43AM (2 children)
Definitely has potential, pretty good stuff [abovethelaw.com]
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 13 2021, @01:28AM (1 child)
hahahahahahahah
awesome
except for the trend of turning normal professional happenings into batshit crazy "I can say whatever I want" theatrics
not a fan of normalizing that insanity, hope they get a big fat boot up their asses
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday July 13 2021, @02:01AM
That was supposed have happened a long time ago.
We are obsessed with past elections when we should be fearful of the next one. Not a bright future ahead.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 13 2021, @01:32AM (5 children)
Isn't the whole point of a lawsuit and trial to find out if a case has merit? Why not save money by doing away with the courts and all that and just "know" what the answer should be?
Your whole journal entry seems to be saying that you should just toss out due process because everybody knows "Orange Man Bad'. If the case has no merit then award costs against the filer.
It sort of reminds me of;
First they came for the Nazis, and they didn't get a fair trial because everybody knows "Nazis Bad"
Then they came for the Alt-Right, and they didn't get a fair trial because everybody knows "Alt-Right = Nazi"
Then they came for the rest of the Conservatives, and they didn't get a fair trial because everybody knows "Conservative = Alt-Right"
Then they came for the swing voters, and they didn't get a fair trial because by then they were "the most right wing"
Then they came for me, and I didn't get a fair trial because I wasn't Woke enough.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday July 13 2021, @01:46PM (1 child)
What I did is present links, to news sources, which tell of what happened. Don't blame me for what happened.
This ridiculous case is getting all the due process it deserves.
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 13 2021, @03:21PM
FTFY
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 13 2021, @03:27PM (2 children)
Oh, Dear God! I'm going to vomit all over my keyboard!
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 14 2021, @06:21AM (1 child)
And then they came for the people who vomit on keyboards, and they finally had someone who deserved it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 14 2021, @05:29PM
^ that comment encapsulates the alt-right attitude so well. Mad that their bullshit didn't play out, mad that their whining about fake persecurion is mocked, and eager to punish those who simply disagree. It is kind of like everything they say is a lie projecting their own weaknesses on to others.