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For all this talk from Republicans about how evil it would be to change the amount of Justices in the Supreme Court they must have forgotten about the eight times they attempted to do so in recent years in various State Supreme Courts.
Two of those attempts were successful.
GOP has been aggressively trying to pack supreme courts at state level, study says
Here’s a state-by-state rundown of the court-packing attempts Levy documented.
Arizona: Republicans successfully expanded the state Supreme Court from five to seven justices, over the objections of the chief justice, in 2016. Two new justices were chosen by the state’s Republican governor shortly thereafter. The bill’s GOP sponsor directly acknowledged the partisan concerns driving the effort, saying “if there were different person appointing [the justices], I might feel less comfortable.”
Georgia: Georgia Republicans pushed a successful court-packing bill through the legislature in 2016, allowing Republican Gov. Nathan Deal to add two justices to the seven-member court. Deal’s lawyer told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution he hoped the more conservative court would issue rulings that were more favorable to businesses.
Florida: Other Republican court-packing attempts stumbled. In 2007, Florida Republicans attempted to more than double the size of the court, from seven to 15 justices, because they were upset over a ruling that found the state’s school voucher system unconstitutional. In 2011, Republicans proposed splitting the high court in two, adding three justices along the way. The change would have left “the [court’s] Republican-friendly justices as the ultimate arbiter of all the borderline constitutional civil matters,” as the Palm Beach Post put it at the time. That effort also failed to make it out of the legislature.
Iowa: The state Supreme Court’s 2009 ruling striking down the same-sex marriage ban similarly inspired Republicans in the legislature to attempt to pack two more justices into the court. That bill died in committee, in part because Democrats controlled the legislature and the governor’s mansion at the time.
Montana: Lawmakers have also attempted to unpack courts, by reducing the number of justices. One such effort was led by Montana Republicans in 2011, which would have eliminated the positions held by two of that court’s most liberal members. The bill’s supporters were frank about their partisan motivations, and it ultimately died in committee.
Oklahoma: In 2017, a Republican who had previously threatened to set himself on fire in response to some court rulings on abortion introduced a bill to shrink the court from nine to five members. At the time, most of the court’s justices had been appointed by Democratic governors. The effort failed.
Washington: In 2013, in what Levy calls “a particularly dramatic interbranch display of hostility,” Washington Republicans introduced a bill to remove four members from the state’s nine-member Supreme Court, immediately following the court’s overturning of Republican-imposed restrictions on tax hikes. The Brennan Center for Justice characterized the proposal as a threat to judicial independence. Levy notes that while the bill failed, Republicans have periodically attempted to revive it in recent years.
Pennsylvania: In 2014, state Republicans considered a proposal to reduce the size of the court as part of a larger package that also would have eliminated the office of the lieutenant governor and shrunk the general assembly. It had bipartisan support — a rarity among these cases — but was ultimately not taken up.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 13 2020, @06:26PM (12 children)
n/t
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday October 13 2020, @06:37PM (10 children)
Biden on adding SC Justices: Not a fan but not ruling it out [npr.org]
(Score: 4, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday October 13 2020, @06:43PM (9 children)
Too bad Trump chickened out of the next debate. Trump (or more likely the moderator) may have asked him to clarify his position.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 13 2020, @09:26PM (8 children)
Do you mean quid-quo-pro Joe bin-Biden? [realclearpolitics.com]
That's what I like about you DeathMonkey - your principles!
(Score: 3, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday October 13 2020, @09:58PM (7 children)
If Trump wasn't such a cowardly little bitch he could've asked Biden about that at the next debate.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 13 2020, @10:05PM (5 children)
And Russian collusion? [thepostmillennial.com]
I don't think this was the story you were presenting here was it?
(Score: 4, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday October 13 2020, @10:09PM (4 children)
Too bad your boy is such a cuck he couldn't handle getting back on that stage with Biden. Yet another question Biden could've been asked. But, Trump was triggered by the last one and needs his SAFE SPACE.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 13 2020, @10:33PM (3 children)
Your candidate has had more lids than Oscars trash can, however, stopping the stench of Democrat policies is much appreciated.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday October 14 2020, @03:43PM (2 children)
Fleeing in fear at the though of debating the Democratic candidate is not a great start to the goal of stopping the Democrats.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 14 2020, @03:54PM (1 child)
Who fled what? The commission on presidential debates unilaterally (at least Trump's camp wasn't consulted) canceled the agreed upon debate.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday October 14 2020, @04:49PM
Nope.
They changed the format slightly because Trump was contagious with COVID and he used that as an opportunity to bitch out because he got his ass handed to him in the last one.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 14 2020, @05:23PM
He's not little.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 14 2020, @03:25AM
Yeah, that's important but before we get into that, it's important that we find out about whether Amy Coney Barrett plays an instrument and about her children. [cnn.com] We have to have our priorities straight, after all!
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday October 13 2020, @06:29PM (66 children)
Who is the target audience? And do you think they care any more than they did last week?
We will just have to wait and see if the point spread is for real
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 5, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday October 13 2020, @06:41PM (3 children)
The audience is definitely not the Trumpets. As you note, they can't be convinced by anything (including Trump's own words).
The audience is the people the Republicans are trying to scare by claiming that this would be some unprecedented move.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday October 14 2020, @03:16AM (2 children)
Well, Trump should be scaring enough people into voting for democrats to even things out.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 14 2020, @02:24PM (1 child)
Reagan(Bush, Bush), Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Obama(Clinton)
And now we know they want Biden(Clinton). Anything not to lose control.
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/united-states/2020-10-09/hillary-clinton-national-security-reckoning [foreignaffairs.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 14 2020, @03:30PM
Shouldn't it be? Reagan(Bush, Bush), Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Obama(Clinton, Clinton)
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Tuesday October 13 2020, @08:39PM (61 children)
Agreed, though I have a sneaking suspicion that it is, and that Trump will lose bigly. In 2016 there was a lot of enthusiasm for Trump, and very little for HRC, and he barely got enough votes in the right states to win the EC. This year the Democrats seem a LOT more motivated to vote.
That being said, it will not shock me if he does win again.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 2, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 13 2020, @08:48PM (60 children)
Yes, the levels of enthusiasm are truly amazing!
https://thespectator.info/2020/10/12/trump-supporters-drown-out-sleepy-joe-bidens-ohio-speech-with-chants-of-four-more-years-video/ [thespectator.info]
https://noqreport.com/2020/10/11/image-of-biden-harris-campaign-event-in-arizona-shows-the-polls-are-dead-wrong/ [noqreport.com]
I've heard that in Colorado, Team Biden has taken to shooting Trump supporters to influence the vote!
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/12/business/media/denver-photographer-shooting.html [nytimes.com]
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday October 13 2020, @08:54PM (40 children)
We're willing to literally murder people to win (according to you) but at the same time we lack enthusiasm.
UMBERTO ECO: A PRACTICAL LIST FOR IDENTIFYING FASCISTS [faena.com]
8. The enemy is both weak and strong. “[…] the followers must be convinced that they can overwhelm the enemies. Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 13 2020, @08:57PM (38 children)
Yeah, I've read that list of 14 signs of fascism. Still no hamburger. I'm going across the street for enchiladas.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday October 13 2020, @09:01PM (20 children)
So which is it then?
Do we lack enthusiasm? Or, are we so enthusiastic that we're willing to murder?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 13 2020, @09:08PM (2 children)
You lack the numbers of enthusiastic supporters that you claim. A small core of supporters are enthusiastic enough to assault children and pregnant women who support Trump, as well as shooting potential Trump voters.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 13 2020, @09:23PM (1 child)
May we remind you of this on November 3?
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 13 2020, @11:31PM
Is that when Joe gets elected to the Senate? [nypost.com]
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday October 13 2020, @09:57PM (16 children)
One of the major planks of fascist fearmongering is "Schroedinger's Enemy of the People." Their foes are somehow at the same time incompetent, bumbling, weak, stupid, spineless, and doomed to failure, BUT at the same time omnipresent, evil, insidious, scary, and, to hear the Two Minutes' Hate tell it, already 3/4 of the way to their sinister goals from day one.
Most people don't seem to notice this contradiction, which is rather unsettling. It's the same as how they will tell you that, e.g., Mexican immigrants are all lazy leeches, but somehow simultaneously terkin' er jerrhbs, errl uf 'em.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday October 13 2020, @10:02PM (5 children)
We hate Trump so much that we're suffering from a Derangement Syndrome. But simultaneously, we lack the enthusiasm to vote.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 13 2020, @10:48PM (3 children)
Progressives were devastated by the Bernie loss and are not enthusiastic at all about Racist Uncle Joe and Top Cop Harris.
Get out and vote for Howie Hawkins, Jo Jorgensen, Kanye West, or anybody but Trump and Biden.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday October 13 2020, @10:59PM (2 children)
Progressives are pretty fucking enthusiastic about kicking Trump's ass out of office, though.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 13 2020, @11:20PM
Ya really not a problem this time. They figured no one was stupid enough to actually vote Trump.
THEY SURE SHOWED US HAHAHA
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday October 14 2020, @06:07PM
But they vote for Biden reluctantly, without enthusiasm, only because it is so necessary to get rid of Trump.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 14 2020, @04:23PM
Well, to be fair, I have noticed over many election cycles what appears to be a chronic tendency among Democrats to be enthusiastic about political issues right up until the point that the voting starts. I just really hope that they decide to break that trend this election cycle. C'mon, Democrats! If you really don't like the status quo then get out there and vote for a change! Frankly, protests and demonstrations are a piss poor substitute for voting.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 13 2020, @10:16PM (9 children)
The state may be incompetent and bumbling, but it still has a monopoly on violence.
The mainstream media may be spineless and doomed to failure, but it's still omnipresent and insidious.
Not all immigrants are lazy, but hand them an all you can leech welfare buffet...
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday October 13 2020, @11:01PM (8 children)
Someone should tell that to Kyle Rittenhouse.
(Score: 2, Redundant) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 13 2020, @11:20PM (6 children)
Riiiiight - but don't DARE tell it to the rioters who burned down a significant portion of Kenosha's businesses.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday October 13 2020, @11:30PM (5 children)
They should be arrested by the police, not killed by vigilantes.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 13 2020, @11:35PM
So you'll be voting Democrats out? [dailywire.com]
DeathMonkey - closet Republican. It all makes sense when you think of him as an NPC style reverse propaganda agent.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 13 2020, @11:44PM (2 children)
The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance. - John Philpot Curran
(so sue me, I quoted an Irishman)
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday October 14 2020, @05:28PM (1 child)
:-) Having to sleep with one eye open is not "liberty". You have no liberty until you can be at ease for more than a few seconds.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday October 14 2020, @05:42PM
Bullshit. Ben Franklin and "he who would give up essential liberties for the sake of" uhhh, what was that word? Ease? You'll be able to take all the ease you wish when they've thrown the dirt over your coffin.
The fact is, many Americans have been lulled fast asleep, and many more have been lulled into apathy. Far too few people are vigilant. Lucky for all of us that there are still a few.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 21 2020, @01:08PM
I am sorry but I saw George Floyd murder video. It was obviously a well calculated murder where the policemen were clear in establishing the role of dominance over the people around them and sacrificing George Floyd's life was not outside their arsenal. It was pretty obvious that it was going to lead to rioting.
It was very clear from people attacking Mr. Kyle had it coming. They wanted to physically overpower someone and were the violent aggressors. It was actually very obvious from the video that Mr. Kyle fired in defence as a last resort.
The problem is that both of you are fucking dishonest pieces of shit who don't want to accept a political defeat, damned be lives of common people. Neither of you are fighting for common man, both hate the weakness in them and both are cocksucking parasites of ultra-rich running your country. You both deserve each other.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 13 2020, @11:25PM
Someone should tell it to BLM, to Mayors who will not let the police do their jobs, to Governors who fail to call in the National Guard, to Prosecutors who refuse to prosecute and dipshits who let a kiddie fiddler and a rapist out on the streets to riot.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 13 2020, @09:03PM (9 children)
You can tell a fascist by how unwilling they are to discuss instances of fascism.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 13 2020, @09:10PM (8 children)
Every arrest for marijuana possession is an instance of fascism.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday October 13 2020, @09:20PM (7 children)
Cannabis in the presidential race: Biden-Harris pledge to decriminalize marijuana [wjla.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 13 2020, @10:57PM (6 children)
There's what they say, and then there's what they did when they were in government.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday October 13 2020, @11:04PM (5 children)
Kamala is from CA. What they did was legalize it in CA while she was in government.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 13 2020, @11:18PM (4 children)
Yes, Kamala is from California. The land where they use slave labor every fire season to fight the fires. Kamala, the woman who suppressed evidence that would have freed some of her black brothers from that slave labor. Kamala, the camel faced lying bigot who sold out her own race for political gain. Kamala, the woman who has the nerve to NOW SAY that black lives matter.
This is just an opinion, of course, but I think you prog/dem/libs should fear Kamala more than you fear Pence.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 13 2020, @11:56PM (2 children)
Bruh, get your theocratic boot off my neck.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday October 14 2020, @12:13AM (1 child)
My boot doesn't have a religion, now stop your whining.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 14 2020, @05:45PM
It's just role-play dude, you were supposed to stick it up his ass.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 14 2020, @05:54PM
Nice ad hominem there Runaway.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday October 13 2020, @09:59PM (6 children)
Run (for enchiladas or otherwise) all you want, you can't escape the fact that you're "made common cause" with literal, real-world, this-is-happening-right-the-fuck-now fascists. Lie down with rabid dogs, and frothy fleas will be the least of your worries...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday October 13 2020, @10:04PM (3 children)
Between that and the civil war murder porn journals I really do wonder what's gonna happen with Runaway when Trump loses in Nov.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 13 2020, @10:37PM
He'll be like the Beagle. Lots of noise, no bite.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday October 14 2020, @02:48PM
He can listen to Rush Limbaugh reruns from the 90s
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1, Troll) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday October 14 2020, @09:25PM
I've said a few times before: keep an eye on him and his posts during the runup to and after the election. If he starts making threats, take screenshots and links and send them to the FBI and/or DHS.
Bonus points if the unmarked DHS thugs he's been wanking about "making common cause" with are the ones to come by, execute a no-knock warrant, and drag him off in said van to heaven knows where and do hell knows what with him. It would be horrifying, but amazingly poetic.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 13 2020, @10:14PM (1 child)
You harp on that theme. So, uhhhhhhh, what do YOU do? Each and every day, you interact with assholes of one sort or another. Are you going to tell me that you agree morally, politically, and ethically with everyone you deal with? Coworkers, supervisors, customers, the cashier who rung up your groceries, all of them? Or, do you refuse to associate, even in passing, with anyone who refuses to fill out your "application to associate with 'Zumi"?
Do you vote? How can you vote for ANY of those lying asswipes, if you can't find common cause with some of them?
Stop being a hypocrite on the subject.
Once again - the enemy of mine enemy is the enemy of mine enemy. Nothing more, and nothing less. Entering into some kind of ceasefire, or truce, or common goal agreement with that enemy does NOT make him my friend!
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 14 2020, @04:56AM
Ok boomer
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 14 2020, @05:28PM
We lack enthusiasm for shooting fish in a barrel.
(Score: 5, Informative) by cmdrklarg on Tuesday October 13 2020, @09:20PM (10 children)
Ah yes, two conservative blogs are overwhelming evidence of no support for Biden. *yawn* Please try again.
And that shooting story? It doesn't say what you think it says. If you actually read it, you will see that the shooter was a private security guard hired by a TV station, who opened fire on the guy after being slapped and hit with Mace.
Looks to me like he was defending himself from a guy attacking him. Kind of like that Rittenhouse kid you've put on a pedestal. Hmm, I smell a double-standard here...
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 13 2020, @09:55PM (7 children)
I fear that you need to read more about that shooting. There are serious questions about a "security guard" who has no state credentials, and lacks any Colorado paperwork that would permit him to conceal carry while on the job. (I refer to professional documentation, not to any 2nd amendment right to carry.)
Don't know if you've watched the videos - if you do, I can tell you that there is ONE "good guy" on the scene. That is the white bearded guy who repeatedly intervenes, and pushes the antagonists apart. Every other person involved was either looking for a fight, or looking for a good story about a fight.
Feel free to start a journal entry to discuss this, or we will completely derail the Deathmonkey's journal.
Oh yeah. Don't bring a can of bear spray to a gunfight.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 14 2020, @05:21AM (6 children)
https://www.denverpost.com/2020/10/12/denver-protest-shooting-photos-full-sequence/ [denverpost.com]
it's not video, but a journalist took better than a photo per second of that shooting. Very different to Rittenhouse.
3:36:52 Dead guy has bear spray in his right hand, slaps shooter with his left.
3:36:53 They both back up several feet.
3:36:53 Shooter lifts shirt with left hand.
3:36:53 Shooter grabbing gun with right hand. Spray can is down by slapper's side.
3:36:53 Can is raised and spraying, slide on pistol is back. There is a puff of white smoke in amongst the orange, indicating the gun has already fired.
3:36:54 Can has stopped spraying, guy is beginning to fall over
He'll probably plea bargain it down to manslaughter because he got slapped, but he had no reason to pull the trigger. The slapper had already stepped back, and he was pulling the gun before the slapper even raised the spray can.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday October 14 2020, @05:53AM (4 children)
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/10/12/multimedia/12xp-denver-photo/merlin_178345716_08ae5d52-ef19-4495-8ed9-3a0ab316d0b2-superJumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp [nyt.com]
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/12/business/media/denver-photographer-shooting.html [nytimes.com]
NYT has the same sequence of photos - for some reason, they are larger in the browser. On a couple forums, people have gone over that sequence frame by frame. Focus on the sunglasses in that photo. One reflective lens, where's the other? Fragments of that lens are embedded in spray guy's skull already, along with the bullet. It's being argued both ways - spray guy sprayed first, shooter shot first.
I don't think shooter will be convicted of murder either, for the reasons you cite. But, I'm asking myself whether the shot is justified. Spray guy has a non-lethal weapon in his hand, and he has a lethal weapon in a shoulder holster. In the same circumstances - I may well have taken the shot. Sumbitch has already hit me, he has nonlethal in hand, and lethal within reach - when I am incapacitated with the nonlethal, is he going to kick me to death? Is he going to shoot me?
As already mentioned - shooter boy's professional credentials are being called into question. He may be in more trouble for not being properly licensed, than for taking the shot.
Also - history. The news girl, the shooter, and the cameraman are a team that has been active in supporting Antifa, and provoking Trump supporters and/or "right wing" protesters in the past. That history of provocation may bite him in the ass, even worse than a lack of proper credentials.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 14 2020, @11:21AM (3 children)
Look at the positions in the first two photos cited. They both retreated from the confrontation. Once that happens you don't get to pull a gun, shoot someone, and claim self-defense.
I would guess shooter is going to argue that he was only going to threaten slapper to keep him away, but the gun went off in reflex when he was sprayed. No intent, so it's an easy plea at least down to manslaughter, possibly to brandishing and negligent homicide.
A broader point is the difference in attitudes between the two sides. Deathmonkey is on record in many posts, claiming that being punched or kicked does not justify a lethal response. That seems to be the general attitude of the BLM / Antifa crowd. It's a strange schoolyard sort of attitude, where fights might cause a few bruises before you both get sent to the principal's office.
In the real world, punches and kicks have killed plenty of people and a physical attack has consequences.
I suspect we are going to see more of these cases until they learn that it is not "ok to punch a nazi". It is criminal assault and may be treated as such by the victim.
(Score: 2, Disagree) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday October 14 2020, @03:35PM (2 children)
[CITATION NEEDED]
the best you can find is me saying that being punched is not terrorism
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday October 14 2020, @04:53PM
Ok Mr. Disagree, instead of putting words in my mouth why don't you provide some citations?
I, DeathMonkey, might have a fairly good idea of what's in the posts by DeathMonkey....
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 14 2020, @04:54PM
So Kyle Rittenhouse was justified in his self-defense or not?
He was chased, punched, kicked, hit with a blunt instrument, and threatened with a pistol. Yet you repeatedly claimed that shooting his attackers was murder.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 14 2020, @03:40PM
Excellent primary source.
I know that my personal sense of justice seldomly translates to what comes out of court, but I don't know what to think here. Old fat guy was belligerent, getting separated from Black Guns Matter guy, yet continuing to flip him off.
Somehow he then gets at it with "Pinkerton" guy, pulls his mace and bitchslaps him with "Pinkerton" guy trying to hold him off. "Pinkerton" guy then pulls his gun and old fat guy maces him as he gets shot.
I think that "Pinkerton" guy drew and shot the old fat guy in anger at getting slapped. That's not life preservation, and will probably hurt him in court. I heard old fat guy was packing himself. I don't know why he didn't reach for his own gun. Maybe he didn't want to drop the can of mace from his hand, but that was the wrong choice for him.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday October 14 2020, @12:00AM (1 child)
As usual, it's "guns are good, unless those people have them".
Runaway has no integrity, and refuses to even be consistent.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday October 14 2020, @06:47AM
That is a completely false claim. I've not condemned this shooter for having a gun, or even for using it. If I were sitting on his jury, he would be safe charges for possession of a weapon. He would be safe from first degree murder charges. Almost everything else is open for discussion. Scroll up and read my other posts on the subject.
There was ONE good guy on the scene - the white bearded guy who tried repeatedly to separate the parties to the confrontation. Everyone else was an asshole, everyone else contributed to escalating the confrontation further and further.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 13 2020, @10:54PM (1 child)
I see a Biden rally, with its circles for the six members of the audience to stand in, and I have to think of Archimedes: Don't disturb my circles.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 14 2020, @05:47PM
I see a Trump rally with his supporters in a pentagram.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday October 13 2020, @11:21PM (2 children)
Link 1 from the Spectator.info calls the democratic candidate "Sleepy Joe Biden" so that's obviously a totally unbiased source, and wouldn't make stuff up, or attempt to piggyback on the name of a respected British magazine, would it?
Link 2 is another propaganda site, and one which is going broke, based on the begging they're doing.
Link 3 I can't read, because I don't want to give the New York Times money, but it looks to be the story about the idiot who attacked an armed man and was killed. Unsure what point you're trying to make there. You're usually OK with people getting shot, so I suppose it's just your usual level of hypocrisy when its the wrong people doing the shooting.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 13 2020, @11:39PM (1 child)
There's no such thing! You take that back!
alternet? Yeah, their begging popups are getting annoying.
There's a lot more to the story than that. There were at least 4 people present, who were looking for a fight. Another person who desperately wanted to document a fight. One white bearded person who attempted to prevent any fighting. See my response to CmdrKlarg elsewhere in this thread - there weren't no good guys present except White Beard.
Feel free to start your own journal entry, where we can discuss the shooting further.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 14 2020, @03:34PM
So sad little Runaway has become, a shadow if his previous self now lauding fake news and making dubiously illogical connections.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 13 2020, @11:34PM (1 child)
Then you need to stay out of Colorado.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 14 2020, @12:14AM
> stay out of Colorado
No shit! [youtube.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 14 2020, @04:17AM
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-polls-are-all-right/ [fivethirtyeight.com]
(Score: 5, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday October 13 2020, @06:57PM
Reducing the amount of Justices to eight for a year was also fine by Republicans.
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Tuesday October 13 2020, @08:06PM (1 child)
I don't recall hearing about this, so I'm assuming that this Republican chickened out on the self immolation. Typical politician, all talk and no walk.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday October 13 2020, @09:54PM
If he'd actually done it, the stench of sulphur would have given the game away...!
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 13 2020, @08:13PM (2 children)
My ass, more lime the fascist hypocritical minority.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 13 2020, @10:13PM (1 child)
Why do do they have power? Why are they winning? Why are they succeeding at fucking us over and taking our rights?
Granted, quoting Jezebel for this point is like shooting fish in a barrel. How Men's Rights Activists Swallowed the World [jezebel.com]
But we have evidence that this happens. The Uncomfortable Truth About Campus Rape Policy [theatlantic.com]
I'm not the only person who was abused by feminists as a child, a teenager, a college student, and even still in my career. My whole fucking life I've gotten sick of feminists spewing transphobia and misandry, making threats, and carrying out those threats. In b4 "incel," but if going there, just call me a faggot and say what you mean instead of treading the euphemism mill.
However, statistically speaking, it could be possible that I'm only one of a few women who were subjected to feminist bigotry, and it sure the hell feels like I'm the only one. All the other people who have been abused by feminists must be men, and they must deal with it by going Republican.
Feminists can't stop gaslighting about the abuse. They can't admit that there are people out there engaged in abuse and harassment in the name of feminism. This is why abortion is going away.
What do we do about this, and how can the Democratic Party and hair sniffing president, who is strictly speaking better than a pussy grabbing president, possibly help us?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 14 2020, @12:00AM
Qanon that you?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 13 2020, @08:30PM (12 children)
Why are you conflating state politics with national politics? How does your representation of Republicans as the "bad guys" relate to national politics, where the D team is trying to do the same as the state level R team?
All you're saying here is, you'll support the same conduct by your team, that you'll condemn when the "other" team does it.
Hey, I asked for a hamburger, and all you put on it was a pickle and some catsup!
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by cmdrklarg on Tuesday October 13 2020, @08:41PM (7 children)
No, I think he is saying "don't be surprised when my side does it" since the other side has already done it. Goose-gander sort of thing.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 13 2020, @08:52PM (2 children)
Ohkay, maybe. But, I'm still left standing here with a stupid slice of pickle smeared with some tomato paste. That ain't a hamburger.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 14 2020, @04:29PM (1 child)
What you pulled out of your fridge for lunch is none of my concern.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday October 15 2020, @12:26AM
I dunno if he pulled it out of the fridge...it's a tired, stale, recycled old canard and it stinks. "Fridge," likely not.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 4, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday October 13 2020, @09:52PM (3 children)
I'll go farther than that: If this new Justice is voted in before the election I'm going to be pissed if they DON'T do it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 13 2020, @11:48PM (2 children)
What about in the lame duck period following the election?
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 13 2020, @11:51PM (1 child)
Why mention Obama's presidency?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 14 2020, @03:37PM
You gotta be a real racist piece if shit to say that. Or a socially clueless person with autism or aspbergers.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday October 13 2020, @08:57PM (2 children)
None of that matters until we are rid of all Trumpism
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 13 2020, @09:11PM (1 child)
Huh. Imagine that. It almost appears that you are endorsing Sleepy Creepy Joe. But, that can't be, because there is only one party, right?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday October 13 2020, @09:17PM
There is only one party, and we should make it look nice. Do you want us to be seen going out to get the paper every morning in our mumu and house slippers and hair curlers? No, you make yourself look presentable. What's the matter with you? You want everyone to think we live in a trailer park? Show a little class! At least quit scratching your balls
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday October 14 2020, @02:26AM
Catsup
Shit! Now I know you're a weenie!
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday October 13 2020, @09:53PM (13 children)
Remember: anything, ANYTHING, the GOP bitches about in terms of politics is because they are either planning to do the same or already have done the same.
Trump's bitching about "rigged elections" and "the only way Biden wins is if he cheats" is a shortened form of "only WE get to rig the elections and if Biden wins he "cheated" against our rigging!" Likewise, "butbutbut MUH ACTIVIST JUDGES!" has been cynical, self-serving, gobsmackingly hypocritical projection since Scalia and Thomas, to say nothing of Kavanaugh and, good Christ, this walking nightmare straight out of Margaret Atwood they want to rush through...and let's not forget what they did to Garland of course!
Basically the GOP (and most of its supporters) function on the level of a not-too-bright second grader, complete with the kind of solipsistic magical thinking that believes that accusing your foe of what you yourself have done, wish to do, or are doing somehow absolves you AND shifts the blame onto them.
Trump may actually cause the GOP's downfall, if only because he's the apotheosis of everything they say, do, and stand for, but at 150% over-amplified volume and with not even the basic modicum of political savvy that might stop him from not only saying the quiet part loud but shouting it through a bank of speakers 300 feet high...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 5, Insightful) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday October 13 2020, @11:30PM (6 children)
I was assuming they'll do what they did after you guys rid of George W Bush, and just pretend they never voted for him, and that whole thing never happened.
That strategy seemed to work quite well.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday October 14 2020, @06:09AM
After we got rid of Nixon, we got Reagan/Bush. After we got rid of Bush, we got... Bush. After we got rid of Bush, we got Trump. All the stuff in between were chair warmers. After we get rid of Trump, what horrors come next?
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday October 14 2020, @09:21PM (4 children)
My suspicion is that as soon as Barret is confirmed and the courts are turned into a permanent organ of Dominionist theocracy for the next 50+ years, Trump will suddenly find himself with about the value of a used jizzrag...because to the Birchers and sundry assorted theocrats, that is all *everyone and everything* is in the service of their agenda.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday October 14 2020, @10:23PM (3 children)
My theory is that the religious right are never going to actually overturn Roe v Wade, because it is a convenient stick to hit "The Liberals" with.
It is also a great rallying cry for the religious bigots, and they would lose that if they actually made abortion illegal.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday October 14 2020, @11:51PM (2 children)
Problem is, no one told the loonie fringe that. They do not care. If you tell them that, they will look you right in the left ear and say something to the effect of "It will not matter, God's law will be fully implemented and the issue will never be raised again." At some point, the ones who are doing this to string along poor idiots to vote for them are going to clash with the ones who are 100% sincere about this stuff, and it will be ugly.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday October 15 2020, @12:15AM (1 child)
I hope they do clash, and there is a schism in the republican party.
It is not so long ago that idiots like Sarah Palin decided they were the gatekeepers of what you had to believe to be a proper republican. It is entirely possible they dive so far into the deep end they are no longer taken seriously.
Although, to be fair, if they can tolerate Sarah Palin there may be no depths to which they won't sink.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday October 15 2020, @12:18AM
There are no depths to which they will not sink. They are fanatics, identical in every way to the Taliban save for their particular flavor of Yahweh-pathology. Everyone and everything is disposable, a means to an end.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 14 2020, @02:21AM (1 child)
Does this logic also apply to Hillary's blame-Russia tactic, or are we giving Team Blue a free pass this week?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 14 2020, @02:40AM
Russia! And China! And Nader!! Oh my!
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 14 2020, @02:57AM (3 children)
Oh please, the GOP cannot "downfall". The DNC needs an enemy to keep the game going. What might happen is a "reverse flow of the Chicago River", "moderate" (TeeHee) republicans will merge into the DNC to keep it from becoming too "liberal", which will work, because most of the voters are pretty conservative. But then, they have to create another monster "Trump" to stay on the front page every, damn, day, of the year... to launder billions of "campaign funds". I guess, after the republicans, there will be the evil independents, lone wolf republicans...
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday October 14 2020, @03:40PM (2 children)
I love it how the Republicans who voted for him in the primary and the Republicans who voted for him in the general are NOT responsible for Trump. Somehow it's all the people who DIDN'T vote for him that are responsible.
But it's cool. You're just adding support to PartTimeZombie's hypothesis that we won't be able to find a Trump supporter on the day Biden takes office. And I very much look forward to that day!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 14 2020, @05:46PM
Democrats wanted Trump more than the republicans did, for the simple reason they thought it would be a cake walk. Plus democrats ran a shitty candidate that presented no real opposition, like they always do, Humphrey, Carter, Clinton, Obama, all business as usual.
They tried their little trick in the Kansas senate race too with Kobach too, but it didn't work that time (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/02/kris-kobach-senate-kansas-gop-dread-390089)
Democrats and republicans, working together, gave us Trump. You still don't know who supplied the greater effort. You're still taking the soap opera of "opposition" for real.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday October 14 2020, @10:29PM
Gee! Here I am thinking you knew how the game is played [washingtonpost.com]... Ah well...
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..