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Monday November 02, 20
03:55 PM
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In other totally-not-a-slide-into-fascism news, peaceful protestors who had a permit to march were teargassed on the way to vote.

Peaceful march to the polls in North Carolina is met with police pepper spray and arrests, causing outcry on eve of election

They have elections in all those shithole dictatorial countries too. They just make sure the wrong people don't vote.

The participants in Saturday’s “I Am Change” march had intended to conclude at an early-voting site to emphasize turnout in the final days of the presidential campaign. Those plans were thrown into disarray when law-enforcement officers in riot gear and gas masks insisted demonstrators move off the street and clear county property, despite a permit authorizing their presence.

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  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Monday November 02 2020, @04:16PM (1 child)

    by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday November 02 2020, @04:16PM (#1071982) Journal
  • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by khallow on Monday November 02 2020, @04:28PM (53 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 02 2020, @04:28PM (#1071992) Journal
    Was the peaceful march actually peaceful?

    And going to vote? I thought election day was tomorrow?
    • (Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @04:55PM (10 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @04:55PM (#1072015)

      Was the peaceful march actually peaceful?

      As I understand it, it was a "Souls to the Polls" event. It's a bunch of black people. Voting. While I gather that can be rather terrifying to Republicans, it is what most of us ordinary folk consider peaceful.

      And going to vote? I thought election day was tomorrow?

      Many states have early voting. In my home state of New Mexico, for example, you may go to your county clerk’s office beginning the 28th day before the election and vote and many counties in the state have expanded early voting beginning on the third Saturday before the election. [state.nm.us] Have you seriously not noticed the wall-to-wall news coverage of early voting the last few weeks? Really?!?

      • (Score: 4, Funny) by c0lo on Monday November 02 2020, @05:23PM (6 children)

        by c0lo (156) on Monday November 02 2020, @05:23PM (#1072035) Journal

        Have you seriously not noticed the wall-to-wall news coverage of early voting the last few weeks? Really?!?

        Understandable.
        He's in a lockdown somewhere in Yellowstone. The bears there didn't care enough to inform him he can vote earlier and he likely thought the smoke messages on the mountains top are just from the fires in California.

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        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday November 02 2020, @05:58PM (2 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 02 2020, @05:58PM (#1072054) Journal

        As I understand it, it was a "Souls to the Polls" event. It's a bunch of black people. Voting. While I gather that can be rather terrifying to Republicans, it is what most of us ordinary folk consider peaceful.

        I see North Carolina has early voting through October 31 [ncvoter.org], the date of the protest.

        But since there was voting there rather than just a protest outside a future polling place, that means that laws on buffer zones outside North Carolina polling places apply - nothing within 50 feet. The Washington Post photo with the rather unprofessional police officers spraying pepper spray shows the protestors fairly close to the entrance of a building (I'd say within 50 feet). If this building is a polling place, then they are too close.

        Needless to say, I need more than your say-so that something untoward happened here.

    • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday November 02 2020, @05:05PM (21 children)

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday November 02 2020, @05:05PM (#1072020) Journal

      Was the peaceful march actually peaceful?

      As peaceful as when the Trumpers blocked some traffic [nbcnewyork.com]

      Notice how interrupting traffic while black results in teargas but interruptinc traffic while white doesn't.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @05:23PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @05:23PM (#1072033)

        In new orleans there were protestors that blocked the traffic. The police asked them to leave and when they refused the police said "Ok, we are going home for dinner then. Have fun hanging out in the middle of the highway" and laughed their asses off at them as they drove away. After the police left the protestors got bored and wandered off.

        Basically you have to use reverse psychology on them like 5 year olds.

        • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday November 02 2020, @05:30PM (1 child)

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday November 02 2020, @05:30PM (#1072041) Journal

          I wasn't aware of that incident. I assume you're talking about blocking I-10 back in June.

          It doesn't support my hypothesis but it does make me happy to see.

          Apparently, protestors blocked an overpass for a couple hours peacefully. The cops showed up, took a knee for a bit, then left.

          AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @07:28PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @07:28PM (#1072095)

            Haha, no.

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday November 02 2020, @08:26PM (17 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 02 2020, @08:26PM (#1072129) Homepage Journal

        Re the Trump Train:

        New York State Police say the caravan briefly slowed traffic going over the bridge three times for between 2 and 7 minutes but the bridge was never closed completely.

        So at worst, you might say that the Trump Train constituted a "rolling roadblock". At worst.

        Re the "counterprotest":

        A Trump caravan was scheduled to roll through Manhattan on Sunday, but the vehicles never showed up. Instead, a group of counter-protesters marched from Madison Square Park towards Chelsea Piers and they were met with police in riot gear.

        Police began warning protesters to leave the roadway and officers then went on to arrest 11 people.

        So, the counterprotesters were actually blocking roadways?

        Gotta make up your mind here. Is blocking a roadway a public safety issue, or not? What constitutes "blockage" anyway?

        All of us who drive have sat in traffic for uncountable hours. When is it a crime? When is it not a crime? Does it all come down to political party affiliation, or do you have some more objective criteria?

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        Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Monday November 02 2020, @08:34PM (15 children)

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday November 02 2020, @08:34PM (#1072135) Journal

          I would say that inconveniencing people should basically never be a crime.

          But of course, I haven't spent the last couple months using that crime of inconvenience to justify running down lefties with cars.

          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday November 02 2020, @08:45PM (13 children)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 02 2020, @08:45PM (#1072143) Homepage Journal

            running down lefties with cars.

            Most, but not all, righties have learned to not play in the streets. I suppose it makes people's groins tingle to walk fifty abreast down the street, right up until they are hit by a car.

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            Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
            • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 03 2020, @12:46AM (10 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 03 2020, @12:46AM (#1072262)

              it's called civil disobedience and it's a very American thing to do. This country was founded by people who routinely engaged in civil disobedience like the Boston Tea Party. Perhaps you should go back and read how the colonists rebelled against British rule.

              Hitting protesters with cars sounds a lot like the murder of Heather Heyer. It should be noted that both the Unite the Right rally and the counterprotesters marched in the streets of Charlottesville. Although it didn't involve a car, Bloody Sunday was an ambush of peaceful civil rights protesters.

              There's a long history of marching in the streets, going back at least to the Selma to Montgomery marches. The intent is to get attention and for the protests to be inconvenient [washingtonpost.com] while not physically damaging anything. After Bloody Sunday, the marches were explicitly permitted by a federal court order issued by Judge Frank M. Johnson, Jr., who ruled that the rights of the protesters were protected by the first amendment [latimes.com].

              Those rights have since been scaled back, essentially allowing the government to designate free speech zones while preventing any sort of demonstrations in other areas. The effect is to minimize the impact of protests by confining them to less visible areas.

              During this past week, a bill has been introduced in Nebraska that would make it a felony to block roads while protesting [omaha.com]. But conservatives are outraged when they're told to move to free speech zones [aclu.org].

              If you truly care about liberty, anyone should be free to protest on public property when they want to, provided they're not damaging the property. This means that both liberal and conservative protesters should be free to protest in this manner. Protesters shouldn't need a government permit to exercise their speech on public property, even when it's inconvenient for others. Protesters shouldn't be allowed to block emergency vehicles but should otherwise be free to exercise their freedoms of speech and expression on public property. They shouldn't need to demand a permit from the government; the first amendment is the only permit they should need.

              • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday November 03 2020, @01:46AM (9 children)

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday November 03 2020, @01:46AM (#1072276) Homepage Journal

                If you have a PERMIT, as Unite the Right had, then it becomes LEGAL to march down a street. At that point, you are not impeding traffic, because traffic has been shut down, so that you may march. Please tell me that you understand that crucial bit of data.

                Protesters who shut down interstate highways, especially, should be mowed down like bowling pins. Major highways, ditto. You want to mill around down at the courthouse, in front of the police station, and crap like that, I'll give you some measure of respect - unless I'm headed to an emergency of my own. How 'bout those silly rat bastards who mocked the expectant mother, on her way to the hospital - I think that was in Houston.

                Uhhhhh - free speech zone? That zone extends to wherever my feet are planted, thank you very much. Same goes for you - you may speak any damned place you choose to speak. Just don't block the traffic, you idiot. Blocking traffic is not "civil disobedience", it is an infringement on the rights of others. Get your ass on the sidewalk, or the bike lane, or parking lanes, and leave travel lanes the hell alone. That ambulance that wants to go by may well be on it's way to rescue one of your own fucking mates!

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                Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
                • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 03 2020, @04:39AM (8 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 03 2020, @04:39AM (#1072343)

                  Blocking traffic is not "civil disobedience", it is an infringement on the rights of others.

                  Unless, of course, that traffic is a Biden/Harris campaign bus, in which case you're completely okay with it.

                  • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 03 2020, @04:51AM (7 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 03 2020, @04:51AM (#1072347)

                    The Biden bus was not stopped. It may have been somewhat impeded, in that it couldn't go as fast as the driver wanted to go. But the bus continued it's journey without interruption, despite some asshole in a little white car crashing into a Trump pickup truck.

                    Why don't some of you pull your heads out of your asses? What you saw in the Biden bus video does not compare in any way to fuckwits completely stopping traffic on the interstate highway. Antifa halted at least one person who was on her way to the hospital, and they just didn't give a shit.

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 03 2020, @07:17AM (6 children)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 03 2020, @07:17AM (#1072385)

                      Interstate highways have a minimum speed limit of 40 mph. The Biden bus was forced to slow to 20 mph, which most certainly violates the law. The bottom line is that you have different standards for breaking the law to obstruct traffic. It's apparently completely okay when your side does it but it's terribly wrong when the other side does it.

                      As for the collision, the Biden bus and the white SUV were both attempting to change into the rightmost lane. It appears that a black Trump truck in the rightmost lane sped up to block the white SUV from changing lanes, forcibly pushing it back into the center lane. Some camera angles of the incident show a much larger gap initially between the rear of the Biden bus and the trailing Trump truck. The driver of the white SUV may not have expected the black Truck to accelerate.

                      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday November 03 2020, @03:11PM (5 children)

                        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday November 03 2020, @03:11PM (#1072440) Homepage Journal

                        The Biden bus was forced to slow to 20 mph,

                        Correction: Someone associated with the Biden campaign said that the bus was forced to slow down to 20 mph. The clips that I have seen of the bus all show the bus rolling at speeds in excess of 40 mph.

                        which most certainly violates the law.

                        If so, then we must castigate every police officer who fails to write hundreds, even thousands, of tickets every rush hour morning when the traffic slows below 40 mph.

                        The bottom line is that you have different standards

                        Perhaps. And, you're saying that you don't? Face it, you're up in arms because a bus was slowed down a little bit. But you have not one word of sympathy for the woman who was on her way to the hospital, and was forced to sit in traffic for a half hour or more when YOUR SIDE completely closed an interstate.

                        A little honesty on your side would be a good thing. If, in fact, you were honest, then maybe you could claim the high ground here. Now, kindly fuck off. I'm really not into drama, and I'm not voting to give you an award. America's got talent, but you aren't that talent.

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                        Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
                        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 03 2020, @05:18PM (4 children)

                          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 03 2020, @05:18PM (#1072494)

                          The hypocrisy and dishonesty from you is absolutely incredible.

                          The fact is, I'm not bothered by Trump supporters slowing the bus. And the collision was probably the result of the white SUV trying to stay right behind the bus and two cars trying to fill the same gap behind the bus as it changed lanes. I doubt the collision was an attempt at expressing political views.

                          In regard to blocking emergency vehicles, both you and the other AC have misrepresented my position, where I explicitly said [soylentnews.org]:

                          Protesters shouldn't be allowed to block emergency vehicles but should otherwise be free to exercise their freedoms of speech and expression on public property.

                          You lied when you claimed I didn't care about emergency vehicles being blocked. But we should acknowledge that protests like the Trump Train or the gridlock around Michigan's capitol could also block emergency vehicles, yet conservatives were okay with those protests. Emergency vehicles should always have the right of way. But you're being disingenuous and misrepresenting what I've already said.

                          Aside from your dishonesty, my objections are that:

                          People shouldn't need to engage in permits for exercising their first amendment rights. When it comes to marching in the streets, it would be a good idea to notify the authorities to make sure it's done safely, but the permission of the authorities should not be required. In the present day, the government would most certainly refuse to grant a permit for a similar march like the Selma to Montgomery marches. Permits have been used as a tool to silence protests by moving them to a location where they wouldn't be visible or inconvenient.

                          For that matter, modern protests are usually very tame compared with the methods used by colonists rebelling against British rule. Riots and looting were part of the American Revolution. That is a pretty good description of dumping British East India Company's tea into Boston Harbor. The Slave Insurrection of 1741 involved burning numerous buildings in New York, including the governor's house. The right often justifies the need to own guns as protection from tyranny. However, actually using those guns in such a manner would constitute a violent act of civil disobedience.

                          Some of the actions taken during civil disobedience are illegal. But that doesn't justify the use of deadly force unless it's to protect someone else from killing or seriously injuring another person. That means you don't get to drive your car into a group of nonviolent protesters blocking the streets, something you claimed you would do earlier in this thread. If a person is accelerating toward a group of protesters with the intent of mowing them down, it should be legal for people to shoot at the car's tires or even at the driver to prevent this from occurring. You don't get to run down protesters just because their civil disobedience is inconvenient for you.

                          I don't intend to reply to you again because you've shown you won't debate honestly.

                          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday November 03 2020, @05:48PM (3 children)

                            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday November 03 2020, @05:48PM (#1072501) Homepage Journal

                            No, I don't see that I've been "dishonest" anywhere. Perhaps if you used a registered nickname on SN, I wouldn't have misinterpreted your position on any particular issue.

                            Protesters shouldn't be allowed to block emergency vehicles but should otherwise be free to exercise their freedoms of speech and expression on public property.

                            Thank you for that - it goes a long way toward explaining your position. And, the constitution backs that up - there's really not much to argue there. But, we must keep in mind that emergencies happen when there are no official emergency vehicles around. If Joe has severely injured himself, and his wife is driving him to the ER in the family car, that is an emergency. Impeding Joe's progress should be punishable. So, long story short, you DO NOT have any right to shut down a street, unless you have coordinated with officials. Said coordination would probably include detour signs and police traffic direction, which would route Joe down a couple side streets, so that he arrives at the ER in a timely manner.

                            People shouldn't need to engage in permits for exercising their first amendment rights.

                            Agreed, in principal. But, then you get into local laws. Some jurisdictions are more constitutional than others. Want to stage a demonstration, you just go to City Hall and file the paperwork, and there you go - you have a demonstration. Other places are less constitutional in their approach, and presume to grant or deny permission for your demonstration.

                            You've gone to City Hall and filed your paperwork? City Hall denies permission? Well, you belong in court. City Hall has no right to deny permission for your right to assemble. Challenge that authority, request an emergency injunction from the judge for your own demonstration, then follow up with a suit to establish that City Hall is over stepping it's authority.

                            As for random violent acts this election cycle? How about the left be honest, and admit that the left is rioting. Portland, St. Louis, and Kenosha are prime examples of violence. I'm sick of the "fiery but mostly peaceful" bullshit from the left. Violence is violence. Stop spinning bullshit as "peaceful protests". Those are the lies.

                            All the talk about a boogaloo, or a revolution, or a coup, comes from the left. The left needs to make up it's mind whether it wants an armed confrontation, or it wants peaceful dialogue.

                            You speak of hypocrisy, but you don't seem to see that damned near all the hypocrisy is coming from the left?

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                            Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
                            • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 03 2020, @07:01PM (2 children)

                              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 03 2020, @07:01PM (#1072541)

                              YOU were the first to start calling for civil war 2.0 to protect your grandchildren from the darkies.

                              Not surprising you're a hypocritical lying turd yet again. Go fuck yourself you nazi collaborator (your admission not my accusation), your constant shitposting to minimize the right's fascism is pathetic. Get a life wanker.

                              • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday November 03 2020, @07:10PM (1 child)

                                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday November 03 2020, @07:10PM (#1072543) Homepage Journal

                                That is a lie. Go back and re-read what you thought you have read. I have promised that IF the left pushes for a civil war, it's going to be far uglier than they can imagine. The right won't just roll over after the left waves a gun around.

                                Reading comprehension - try it.

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                                Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
                                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 04 2020, @08:33PM

                                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 04 2020, @08:33PM (#1073101)

                                  Nice revisionism you hack.

                                  Own your own shit for once, and if you regret your own words THEN ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG AND APOLOGIZE!

                                  Don't worry, I know you are incapable.

            • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 03 2020, @10:10AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 03 2020, @10:10AM (#1072403)

              Trumpies blocking public thoroughfares to slow down emergency vehicles so that Trump voters with the Covid-19 can't make it to intensive care in time, which lowers health care costs for everyone. A Public service, actually.

              • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday November 03 2020, @03:14PM

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday November 03 2020, @03:14PM (#1072441) Homepage Journal

                Had to give you a funny mod for that one. The really funny part is - those people who hate Boomers should be praying that Covid-19 sweeps the nation coast-to-coast then sweeps back again, taking all the Boomers out of the picture.

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                Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @08:46PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @08:46PM (#1072144)

            I would say that inconveniencing people should basically never be a crime.

            Actually, I must disagree. And if they become too much of an inconvenience then they should expect to hear about it from me. Other consequences are also possible. Don't be an asshole. Stay out of the way. Shoo!

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @08:42PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @08:42PM (#1072142)

          So at worst, you might say that the Trump Train constituted a "rolling roadblock". At worst.

          Actually, I hate rolling roadblocks. Especially on my morning commute. The only lower form of life are those who would use rolling road blocks as a form of voter intimidation. Stay to the right, assholes!

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @05:15PM (6 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @05:15PM (#1072025)

      In quite a few states, early voter turnout has already passed 2016 total turnout.

      • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday November 02 2020, @05:17PM (5 children)

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday November 02 2020, @05:17PM (#1072028) Journal

        Oh yeah, I think they're starting to see the writing on the wall!

        Bunker Bitch builds an 'un-scalable' fence around the White House [vice.com]

        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday November 02 2020, @07:39PM (3 children)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 02 2020, @07:39PM (#1072101) Journal

          the writing on the wall

          Vandalism!

          No worries though. Just build another wall.

          Trumpty Dumpty can't build a wall
          Trumpty Dumpty had a great fall
          All Kim Jong's horses
          And all Putin's men
          Couldn't put Trumpty together again

          No matter what kind of fences they build around the white house, if Trump loses the election, he will automatically stop being president on Jan 20. Walls or no walls. And there is enough force to come in and forcibly remove him.

          I just worry about the "scorched earth" policies he will enact during the nearly three months he has after he loses. Telling his cult like supporters to block traffic will be the tip of the iceberg.

          And then again, he could win. Which means twelve more years of scorched earth.

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          If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
          • (Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Monday November 02 2020, @08:32PM (2 children)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 02 2020, @08:32PM (#1072134) Homepage Journal

            Which means twelve more years of scorched earth.

            I'm more into the 'Four Score and Seven' plus another seventy. We need more eloquence when measuring time.

            “Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

            Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field as a final resting-place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

            But in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate, we cannot hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead who struggled here have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us — that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion — that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this nation under God shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.”

            Dems just don't do eloquence!

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            Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @08:47PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @08:47PM (#1072145)

              >> ...The world will little note nor long remember what we say here...

              Wrong on both counts. Ain't it just like a Republican.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @08:49PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @08:49PM (#1072146)

              Dems just don't do eloquence!

              Frankly, neither do Republicans these days.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @11:25PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @11:25PM (#1072230)

          Un-scalable from the outside or the inside?

    • (Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Monday November 02 2020, @06:08PM (10 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 02 2020, @06:08PM (#1072059) Homepage Journal

      Was the peaceful march actually peaceful?

      I've not yet seen anything that looked un-peaceful, TBH. On the other hand, "fiery but mostly peaceful" has become a thing in the past few months. Almost anything is possible, including the "protesters" being armed with AK-47s and grenade launchers.

      And going to vote? I thought election day was tomorrow?

      I voted in person last week. Most polling places are open for early voting. The number of people who have already voted already equaled ~2/3 of all votes recorded in 2016 Saturday evening.

      Few people want to stand in line for hours on voting day, just to bring home the flu, a cold, covid, and some strange jungle rot.

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      Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
      • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @06:23PM (6 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @06:23PM (#1072070)

        Few people want to stand in line for hours on voting day, just to bring home the flu, a cold, covid, and some strange jungle rot.

        Sir, exactly what the hell are you getting up to while waiting in line to vote? Enquiring minds want to know. And, if we should ever meet in line while waiting to vote,...I want you to keep your hands to yourself at all times. Just so you know.

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday November 02 2020, @06:48PM (2 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 02 2020, @06:48PM (#1072077) Homepage Journal

          It's the immigrants and the zombies, the dead and the undead, constantly sloughing off bits of flesh everywhere they go. The larger gobbets are easy to spot, and avoid. It's the little bitty chunks that are deadly. Who touched that door before you opened it?

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          Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @11:31PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @11:31PM (#1072235)

          Sir, exactly what the hell are you getting up to while waiting in line to vote?

          He just likes to teach dogs to whistle while he waits.

        • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday November 03 2020, @06:35PM (1 child)

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Tuesday November 03 2020, @06:35PM (#1072531) Journal

          Sir, exactly what the hell are you getting up to while waiting in line to vote?

          Waiting. It's just that since he looks a bit brown he gets the ten-hour line.

      • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday November 03 2020, @08:31PM (2 children)

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday November 03 2020, @08:31PM (#1072577) Journal

        "Strange jungle rot?" What the fuck, are you having 'Nam flashbacks you didn't earn, just like the president?

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        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday November 03 2020, @08:59PM (1 child)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday November 03 2020, @08:59PM (#1072594) Homepage Journal

          I take it then, that you have zero experience with any flesh eating diseases, or even disfiguring diseases, that might be brought back from South America, Africa, Asia, or some island in the tropics. Never seen it for yourself, so it doesn't exist, right?

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          • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday November 04 2020, @09:43AM

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday November 04 2020, @09:43AM (#1072825) Journal

            You would be *amazed* what I've run across in the course of jobs that ostensibly involve "shuttling medicine from A to B after putting it in vial C."

            It's more your choice of words that I wonder about. This isn't a tropical nation even if the Deep South feels like it sometime. So what sort of "jungle rot" are we speaking of here, and how would one logically expect to be exposed to it...?

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            I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @07:24PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @07:24PM (#1072093)

      Classic asshole conservative, assuming some wrong doing before being angry. Funny how conservatives getting fucked with always get support first, even when they are the guilty party!

    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday November 02 2020, @07:30PM

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 02 2020, @07:30PM (#1072098) Journal

      And going to vote? I thought election day was tomorrow?

      Did you know there is this thing called "early voting" ?

      My family voted a couple weeks ago. It was quiet. Convenient. Not too long of lines. Everyone following protocol of masks, hand sanitizer, etc. Everyone polite. Calm.

      Tomorrow? We will be hunkered down in safety. Sadfully we can't do what we did last time. In 2016, we voted early and made sure we were in Walt Disney World on election day, because it is a good safe space. Princesses and fairies. Colorful parades. Loud music. Lots of fun rides. Especially Mission Space (orange).

      --
      If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
  • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @05:19PM (13 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @05:19PM (#1072031)

    Stores across the country in republican-dense areas are boarding up in fear of riots when Trump loses.

    • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday November 02 2020, @05:23PM

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday November 02 2020, @05:23PM (#1072034) Journal

      Denver warns downtown businesses to prepare for Election Day unrest as shops board up their windows [denverpost.com]

      Downtown Denver isn't exactly Republican-Dense but we're preparing too.

    • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @06:16PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @06:16PM (#1072065)

      They probably remember all the riots that happened when Obama won.

    • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @06:39PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @06:39PM (#1072073)

      I'm preparing to shelter in place again for about a week. When the cops are booger boys and only the FBI is interested in preserving the Constitutional order, we're in for a world of shit. Record gun and ammo sales. Well if men have to run around killing each other in an orgy of violence, making themselves a minority again, maybe it'll be fun to watch from my balcony.

      Though if I'd been thinking I should have made myself an armored smoking enclosure.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @06:53PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @06:53PM (#1072082)

        Red-legs. They will be mopped up quickly enough.

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by DannyB on Monday November 02 2020, @07:41PM (8 children)

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 02 2020, @07:41PM (#1072102) Journal

      Stores across the country in republican-dense areas are boarding up in fear of riots when Trump loses.

      Yes, because when Trump loses, the left wing liberals will be out burning everything.

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      If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
      • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @08:08PM (7 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @08:08PM (#1072118)

        Don't you know that Trump has done more for blacks than any other President? He's like a woke superhero!

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Monday November 02 2020, @08:22PM (5 children)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 02 2020, @08:22PM (#1072126) Journal

          I have heard Trump say that. In fact, Trump will always say he has done more for ${X} than any other president. Yet the blacks seem to overwhelmingly disagree for some odd reason? I can't imagine why. /sarcasm

          I'm still trying to figure out the meaning of "woke". I keep seeing that. I've recently figured out what "my bad" means.

          Trump has the highest approval rating! He approves of himself so much!

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          If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
          • (Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Monday November 02 2020, @08:41PM (4 children)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 02 2020, @08:41PM (#1072141) Homepage Journal

            Yet the blacks seem to overwhelmingly disagree for some odd reason?

            Because - none of these people are black. Biden said so, so it must be so.

            Hmmm - the list is obviously not very inclusive, I don't see Kim Klacik on that page.

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            Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
            • (Score: 4, Informative) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday November 03 2020, @12:26AM (2 children)

              by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Tuesday November 03 2020, @12:26AM (#1072255)

              This is an actual quote from the guy who is the president of your country:

              "Think of it: 151 countries. Somebody said to me today that wasn't in this particular world -- they didn't know that we had that many countries. A hundred and fifty-one countries. That's something."

              Defend that, go on, I dare you.

            • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 03 2020, @10:18AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 03 2020, @10:18AM (#1072405)

              Says "Black Runaway". You know, blackface is no longer socially acceptable, even for Halloween, you racist piece of shit asshole hillbilly cornholing doofus!!

        • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @08:25PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @08:25PM (#1072128)

          Everyone says so, and look, just last week I had a black mother, strong woman, cries as she thanked me and just handed me this beautiful baby. I kissed it on the cheek and she started sobbing. Even a strong black mother was brought to tears by how much I've done for those people!

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by turgid on Monday November 02 2020, @09:04PM (1 child)

    by turgid (4318) on Monday November 02 2020, @09:04PM (#1072158) Journal

    Here's a good article [theguardian.com] about the current dangers of fascism all around the world, including the USA.

    Dozens of historians of fascism and authoritarianism have signed a letter warning that democracy “is either withering or in full-scale collapse globally”, and urging ordinary people to take action.

  • (Score: 1, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday November 02 2020, @09:13PM (15 children)

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Monday November 02 2020, @09:13PM (#1072168) Homepage Journal

    Is it just me or does anyone else think DM would be singing an entirely different tune if a bunch of Trump supporting protesters were marching towards a polling place?

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    My rights don't end where your fear begins.
    • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @09:48PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @09:48PM (#1072189)

      His partisanship and hypocrisy are off the charts. He never ever admits that anything leftist is even slightly evil, stupid, demented, or wrong. (exception incoming?) He never admits that anything pro-Trump could ever be OK at all. It's a spotless record of partisanship.

      He could be a character in a fake interview for the Babylon Bee.

    • (Score: 4, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @10:19PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 02 2020, @10:19PM (#1072202)

      Is it just me or does anyone else think DM would be singing an entirely different tune if a bunch of Trump supporting protesters were marching towards a polling place?

      Probably just you and a few other Trump supporters. As for me, I have no problem with a bunch of Trump supporters marching to the polls if they are coming to cast their votes. It's when those "protesters" attempt to discourage, or otherwise intimidate, others casting their ballots that I get a bit irritated. You do believe in allowing people the right to vote, yes?

    • (Score: 5, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Monday November 02 2020, @10:34PM (4 children)

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday November 02 2020, @10:34PM (#1072212) Journal

      See, I'm one of those crazy Democrats. We're the ones who WANT people to vote. So no, I am opposed to teargassing Trump supporters on their way to vote.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 03 2020, @12:48AM (6 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 03 2020, @12:48AM (#1072263)

      Not just you. I would expect him to be all "The fashists are intimidating voters!!1!" if these were Trump supporters.

      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 03 2020, @03:36AM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 03 2020, @03:36AM (#1072307)

        Trumpers are doing that, sitting outside polling places with weapons and harassing people by trying to run them off the road and then trying to fight them.

        So hilarious how badly you fuckwits have been brainwashed. Or super sad how many of you fuckwits just roll with the fascism cause "them people bad!"

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Subsentient on Tuesday November 03 2020, @04:06AM (3 children)

    by Subsentient (1111) on Tuesday November 03 2020, @04:06AM (#1072322) Homepage Journal

    Democracy is dying. America's people have forgotten the nation's principles.
    It was doomed from the start. Our species is too inferior to manage its biases and baser instincts for the good of the populace.
    The parties have polarized. What used to be civil debate and disagreement has now become a nauseating holy war on both sides.

    I suppose much of it is religion and secularism warring against each other. When half the population believes in logically unethical principles that are declared correct by their evil god, it's difficult to save those people.

    I have a natural propensity to want to compromise, bridge the divides, not take sides, be on everyone's good side. That's why I only read news from the most unbiased sources I can find, right now BBC and Reuters. But, it's becoming clear to me that, right now, at this moment in time, the Republicans are the morally debased in this war. It might not be logically correct, but my heart views this as a struggle between mercy and callous selfishness.

    My fellow liberals, please, don't stoop to their levels. We must be the better of the two. History will judge us for how we behave in the near future.

    I genuinely hope I don't live to see the worst of what's to come.

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    "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." -Jiddu Krishnamurti
    • (Score: 2) by Subsentient on Tuesday November 03 2020, @04:09AM (2 children)

      by Subsentient (1111) on Tuesday November 03 2020, @04:09AM (#1072326) Homepage Journal

      When I joined The Satanic Temple a year ago, it was partly out of jest. But, now, witnessing what religion and its cancer of the mind has done, and what happens when you try to enforce the ethically depraved principles of "God", I have truly become a deep supporter of The Satanic Temple and their principles.

      Hail Satan.

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      "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." -Jiddu Krishnamurti
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 03 2020, @10:21AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 03 2020, @10:21AM (#1072407)

        Hail, Runaway!

        • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 03 2020, @07:13PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 03 2020, @07:13PM (#1072545)

          He may be Satan's operative here on SN, but no way is he the big man. For one thing he wouldn't be so terrified all the time. Nah, Runaway is just a boot licker cosplaying a tough guy.

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