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Wednesday November 18, 20
09:12 PM
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As Predicted: Parler Is Banning Users It Doesn't Like
Conservatives are flocking to a new 'free speech' social media app that has started banning liberal users
Parler, the 'Free Speech' platform is already banning people
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All this time I've been VIEWING a RUSSIAN MIDGET SODOMIZE a HOUSECAT!
(Score: 5, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday November 18 2020, @09:17PM (3 children)
Twitter does not advertise that they will not deplatform people.
The quote is taken directly from the Parler website.
The difference between what they are doing and what Twitter does is FRAUD.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 19 2020, @01:07PM (2 children)
Do you not find it a bit of a tell that literally no article on this topic is saying what the users actually posted? The only clue is the one guy quoted who said, "Pretty much all of my leftist friends joined Parler to screw with MAGA folks". I suspect "screwing with MAGA folks" probably translates to something like spamming various users and posts with unrelated content and likely porn, and so on. People don't bemoan Twitter banning people - they bemoan them banning them *unfairly*. People who are clearly trying to ruin the site solely for the sake of ruining the site, should be banned on both Twitter and Parler. The issue is when Twitter bans people out of political bias.
Anyhow, add a troll downmod and continue your circle jerk in complete denial of reality - as usual.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday November 19 2020, @05:16PM
Thanks for proving my point!
You want the freedom to censor whoever you want and also the freedom to force other people to publish whatever you want.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @12:17AM
The entire Reddit community would like a word regarding T_D users who flooded other subs with their partisan Trump bullshit. Oh that was OK? Because you're a hypocrite? Understood.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 18 2020, @09:47PM (5 children)
Cambridge Analytica! Ok, the same founders. Yay psychological manipulation! Bonus for their efforts to convince conservatives that Parler is the real free speech zone. *facepalm*
Gotta credit SN, not 100% free speech but a lot better than these clowns.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 18 2020, @10:12PM
Parler is for snowflakes.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 19 2020, @03:55AM (3 children)
It's a safe space for conservatives.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday November 19 2020, @05:20PM (1 child)
Which is fine! Websites are allowed to choose what to publish and what not to publish.
But they do need to remove the fraudulent language from their website.
And I'm still gonna make fun of them!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @03:31PM
It's not fraudulent of they're not getting anything from the users. The customers aren't the people who use these things.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @07:54PM
Except for the TLAs tracking them.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Arik on Wednesday November 18 2020, @09:54PM (9 children)
That's why the internet was built on open protocols instead.
Then the 'platform' people just started buying standards boards...
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday November 19 2020, @05:22PM (8 children)
It's just a website provided by an entity. Same as Soylent and 4chan so I'm not sure that's the root cause.
(Score: 2) by Arik on Thursday November 19 2020, @09:51PM (7 children)
The function of the platform is conceptually quite simple, though the API has developed some complication it's still fundamentally doing the same thing it's always done - allowing people to broadcast very short text messages to their 'followers' and to receive the same from those they 'follow.' It's a simple idea, and certainly one with some utility, however it could be implemented many ways. And the devil is in the implementation.
Twitter, and Parler, and these 'platforms' generally are deliberately designed to have a single point of control. This gives whatever entity is behind it the ability to collect rent, which is what they're after, but it is an abominably poor choice in every other way.
Want a twitter without censorship? It has to be a peer to peer protocol. No central authority with the power to ban anyone - or to force ads down anyone's throat either. Which probably means it would have to be 100% produced and maintained by volunteers, because without generating revenue it can't have employees. You could 'ban' anyone you wanted, by simply ceasing to follow or publish to them, but it wouldn't affect their relationship with anyone else.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 2) by dry on Friday November 20 2020, @06:53AM (6 children)
Usenet? Everyone running a news server? Usenet died due to being overrun, sure you could continuously add to your killfile but after a while the signal to noise ratio got so bad that most left.
(Score: 2) by Arik on Friday November 20 2020, @12:17PM (3 children)
But with this, there would be no group to follow or spam out of existence. Just one-to-one relationships. So spammers wouldn't have a group to spam, they could only broadcast to those that specifically follow them, and would get unfollowed quite quickly by anyone that doesn't like spam.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 2) by dry on Friday November 20 2020, @03:40PM (2 children)
Seems if it is 2-way, the circle that you follow would still quickly grow. You follow person A, who posts something and you want to see the responses and respond to some of them. 1-way would likely get boring.
I do admit to not knowing how things like twitter works besides statements from others having never used it.
(Score: 2) by Arik on Friday November 20 2020, @09:46PM (1 child)
I think what you're talking about is if you follow person A, who follows person B, but you don't follow person B, right? So either way person A effectively quotes and reposts what they're responding to, so that you can still see it, even if person B has banned you from their feed; at least as far as I understand that's how it works now, and how it would work P2P as well.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 2) by dry on Saturday November 21 2020, @01:48AM
OK, then you're depending on quoting sanity., and judging by email, that might be a hope.
Anyways, I'm happy with sites like this and some focused forums where off-topic is pretty clear and I almost never see politics. The cupcake forum should be free to kick off the barbecued meat people if they choose.
I also seem to have got stuck doing a bit of support and do see political crap, I ignore it as it is off topic.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @04:34PM (1 child)
Bittorrent with DHT would allow for serverless peer-to-peer connections. It's not a huge leap from there or the many similar technologies to a fully-distributed open source social media platform, and the main barrier is actually getting people to use the tech.
(Score: 2) by dry on Friday November 20 2020, @04:46PM
Which can be quite the barrier. I guess if it came in a simple app, it might catch on.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday November 18 2020, @10:00PM (9 children)
The code is very simple: when they speak of freedom, liberty, etc., there is a very strong ingroup/outgroup divide. The freedoms and liberties are only for the ingroup, and they are freedoms and liberties to do certain things to the outgroup. In other words, said freedoms and liberties are negative-sum; they are the freedom to remove *other peoples'" liberties.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday November 18 2020, @10:09PM
Free Speech: My right to censor whoever I want but to also force you to publish whatever I want.
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Wednesday November 18 2020, @10:20PM (1 child)
Conservative Freedom: freedom to impose their will on everyone else.
aka "my fist doesn't stop at your nose"
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 2) by dry on Friday November 20 2020, @06:58AM
It's been updated to "my spit doesn't stop at your nose"
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 18 2020, @10:57PM
Relax! The market will sort this, won't it? </sarcasm>
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 18 2020, @11:25PM
You are speaking of Twatter, right?
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 18 2020, @11:51PM
I always wonder why bullies imagine they got a monopoly on harming others. When you get to eat what you dish out, the indignation is always SO righteous: "How dare they! Prey should not fight back! No fair!!!"
Do not do unto others, what you don't want done unto you. Else do not whine when you get an answer in kind.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 19 2020, @02:03AM (1 child)
It's a lot like Turning Point USA's Professor Watchlist [professorwatchlist.org], which supposedly is a list of professors that push liberal views in the classroom.
If you look at the actual watchlist, you'll find many faculty who are on there for things they did outside of the classroom like writing op-ends or posting their political views on Twitter. Those cases don't even attempt to make the case that liberal views were pushed in the classroom, but that they expressed views on their own time that TPUSA dislikes. You'll also find faculty who assigned students to do things like research and argue for positions they disagree with. That's not liberal bias; it's critical thinking and understanding both sides of an issue. TPUSA claims they support free speech but they seem more interested in silencing speech they disagree with.
No, faculty should not be pushing their political views on students. That would be wrong. But this doesn't mean that faculty have to entertain factually incorrect nonsense to give the appearance of neutrality.
To give you an example, I teach a class about climate change. It does venture into some of the societal issues. Neutrality means that I treated Libertarian ideas about mitigation and adaptation with the same respect that I treated Democratic ideas. That meant that the students were assigned to read articles from reason.com and similar sites. The articles all implicitly or explicitly supported the theory that humans are responsible for much of the warming observed over recent decades, a theory that has been tested and supported by a very large number of experiments. Libertarian ideas for solutions deserve the same platform as Democratic ideas like carbon taxes. However, neutrality does not mean giving a platform to Republicans who want to deny a well-tested theory. I did make it a point to praise Republican politicians like Teddy Roosevelt, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, and George Bush, who promoted environmental policies like creating the National Park System, the Clean Air Act, and the Montral Protocol, which were enacted on the basis of good science.
I'm all for the free exchange of ideas. But neutrality doesn't mean putting BS and lies on equal footing with facts and truth.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 19 2020, @04:47AM
That site is hilarious. I know one of the professors on that list. They are a life-long Republican and conservative. I wonder what they'll think about being labeled a professor "who discriminate[s] against conservative students and advance[s] leftist propaganda in the classroom." Other than laughing out loud, that is.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Thursday November 19 2020, @04:15PM
The people who scream the loudest about "maw rats" are the least concerned with anyone else's rights.
The Electoral College voting is an affirmative action program for low populated states.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by aristarchus on Thursday November 19 2020, @12:17AM (4 children)
I tried to get a completely free speech account at Parle, and they shadow-pre-banned me! Not even a foot in the door! I guess they are not philosophy compatible, like many soylentils, but at least SN does not ban people who are inconvenient to the alt-right. Well, not outright, at least.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Thursday November 19 2020, @03:59AM (3 children)
Logs. Screenshots. Citations. Your story looks like a story. With your proclivity toward impersonations, I have to ask what user name you chose to register with. That might explain things.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 19 2020, @04:37AM (1 child)
"That might explain things [censorship]."
Hurr durrrrrr conservative runaway is now making excuses for censorship from a platform billing itself as totally all about free speech.
Irony, gotta love it! Fuck off you fascist!
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 19 2020, @05:44AM
Right-wing Nut-job censorship is already a thing here on SoylentNews. So probably aristarchus tried to register as aristarchus. I mean, why would he not? But perhaps, some devious scumbag, much more likely to have signed up for Parle earlier on, has already registered aristarchus' handle, to keep aristarchus from registering on Parle as aristarchus? Could have happened. Quite likely happened. Right-wing Nut-job censorship, without even the "libertariantard" veneer of free speech and why can't we let Nazis speak at your prestigious University pretence.
They are going down. Ted Cruz is not God's appointed. Trump told us his wife is ugly, and he did nothing. The Rubio from the Movie with Robin Williams, Rubio, oh, sorry, Rufio. Well, all those rich bastards that fled Cuba after the peasants decided the had had quite enough, they are going nowhere. And Mormons! Mitt is catching, now, I hear, even though that is totally against Elder's Doctrine. And the racism apology, totally a hoax, Mormans are still racist. So that is all that is left of the Republican party, other than some random Bushes. And poor Runaway, left high and dry, in Arkansas, where the sun never shines on an honest man. I hear tell.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 19 2020, @03:48PM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 19 2020, @02:48AM (4 children)
This is nothing.
Pinochet did nothing wrong. Leftists like you need to be deplatformed, with the particular platform being the floor of a flying helicopter. It's for the greater good, so I know you won't object. Be a good leftist, doing something that will make the world a better place.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 19 2020, @05:47AM
And rightists like you need to be, oh, let me think about this. Sent to community college? Required to serve on truth (yes, truth) and reconciliation committies?
Make to labor in the Civilian Conservation Corps, to combat Anthropogenic Global Warming! Or, we will just require you to wear a mask in public, to not contaminate your fellow citizens. If you cannot do that, there is always SoylentGreen instead of Soylent news.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 19 2020, @05:54AM
Pinochet is dead, his entrails ripped from his body, and scattered across kilometers of Chile! The children he kidnapped, and delivered to the barren (sterile, infertile) upper classes, have learned of their history, and many have killed their captors (alleged parents). And you have the gall to come here and say this! I kill you in my heart! I kill you in my mind! I kill you in my soul! I kill you with my colon! I kill you repeatedly over and over again with the death of those in the soccer stadium! I kill you with the Americans the Pinochet killed, with the complicity of the United States Government! I kill you will the fury of the Mothers of the lost ones! I kill you like you were a Republican! And, I kill you with the dim mak. Now, you are doomed to die. Go, and I hope you reconsider the stupid things you said.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @12:20AM (1 child)
Conservatives seem to love fascists, so strange.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 23 2020, @02:26AM
Not strange at all. There a many fine people on both sides.
(Score: 1, Redundant) by shortscreen on Thursday November 19 2020, @03:45AM
You're supposed to be shocked and disappointed that this venture did not live up to its lofty goals. You aren't supposed to gloat over the fact that the newcomer (allegedly) showed itself to be just as unprincipled as the old. Or maybe you should welcome them to the club?
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Mojibake Tengu on Thursday November 19 2020, @07:07AM
Freedom ends where fear begins.
This rule is archetypal, even pre-civilization. It works on anyone, from top power sovereigns down to animals and infant babies.
That brings us to the network problem: do internet corporations fear something? Because, if they don't, they are literally free to handle you willfully as they wish.
Possible solution is indicated in old Russian proverb: Они знают, чего боятся. They know what they are afraid of.
The edge of 太玄 cannot be defined, for it is beyond every aspect of design