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  • (Score: -1, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 20 2020, @05:30PM (68 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) on Friday November 20 2020, @05:30PM (#1079850) Homepage Journal

    Key word is "widespread". That is, if there was fraud, it was probably contained within a couple of key counties. No need for widespread fraud, if a couple counties will suffice.

    --
    Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
    • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday November 20 2020, @05:36PM (6 children)

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday November 20 2020, @05:36PM (#1079854) Journal

      Faking the 12,284 votes that Trump lost by would be pretty a pretty wide spread....

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @07:07PM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @07:07PM (#1079913)

        They didn't fake them, they sued to change the law to make rejecting invalid ballots infeasible. The GA SOS came to an agreement with the dumbs and updated election guidance... unlawfully as he has no authority to do so. The GA election violates state law and the constitution.

        • (Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @08:56PM (4 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @08:56PM (#1079959)

          Too bad Trump appointee Judge Grimberg found "no basis in fact or in law" to stop the counting of the votes. And by the way, that court case only affects 2,177 votes.

          • (Score: 2, Funny) by DeathMonkey on Friday November 20 2020, @09:38PM (3 children)

            by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday November 20 2020, @09:38PM (#1079974) Journal

            "No basis in fact or in law" is legalese for "get the fuck out of here with your bullshit!"

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @12:37AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @12:37AM (#1080034)

              Republicans are controlled by a bunch of international shape shifting child mobsters.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @05:38AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @05:38AM (#1080112)

                No longer deplorables, they have become the indefeasibles. Soon to become the corrigables.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 29 2020, @10:05AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 29 2020, @10:05AM (#1082004)

              Then you'll love https://www2.ca3.uscourts.gov/opinarch/203371np.pdf [uscourts.gov]

              It is the federal version of their various Pennsylvania claims. That opinion should be sent to everyone you know who claims Trump won there. It cleanly and precisely tears apart their case and describes in detail how terrible it is.

    • (Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Friday November 20 2020, @05:58PM (5 children)

      by cmdrklarg (5048) on Friday November 20 2020, @05:58PM (#1079867)

      Granted.

      Now, we just need evidence of that much fraud in those key counties.

      I'll make sure to not hold my breath waiting for said evidence.

      --
      Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
      • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday November 20 2020, @06:17PM (4 children)

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday November 20 2020, @06:17PM (#1079879) Journal

        Now we just need evidence of ANY fraud...

        • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @08:22PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @08:22PM (#1079951)

          It wouldn't be hard to believe democrats saying that the lack of fraud evidence means no fraud... if not for the fact that democrats blocked all measures to detect fraud. You get no presumption of innocence here. When you purposely make fraud impossible to detect, the only reasonable assumption is that you did indeed commit fraud. Why else would you fight so hard against anti-fraud measures?

          Just remember that the people who create the communist take-over are usually the first people shot. They are troublemakers who are no longer needed. (that's you)

          • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @09:02PM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @09:02PM (#1079961)
            • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @09:41PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @09:41PM (#1079975)

              Democrats proposed changes that would mandate vote-by-mail and prohibit ID requirements. That is exactly backwards of honest election security.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @01:00AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @01:00AM (#1080039)

                [Citation Needed, Motherfucker]

    • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday November 20 2020, @06:15PM (11 children)

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday November 20 2020, @06:15PM (#1079876) Journal
      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @06:22PM (10 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @06:22PM (#1079880)

        Recounting fraudulent votes again is not an audit. It's just a recount that includes all the fake votes for Biden.

        But I agree that the Bidenreich is likely to begin. All hail der Führer Biden, the new Hitler of our glorious age! Vhat form vill ze new Enabling Acts take? Vill zhey burn ze Capital, or vill zhey settle for torching ze National Archives? So many new events to re-create anticipate!

        • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @07:04PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @07:04PM (#1079911)

          Aaaaaahhhh! Nooooooo! Ahhhhh! It's a tyrannical regime! He's gonna continue Barack HUSSEIN Obama's legacy install Islamic Communism and make us all eat vegetarian Karl Marx burgers!

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @09:24PM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @09:24PM (#1079966)

            He's gonna continue Barack HUSSEIN Obama's legacy install Islamic Communism and make us all eat vegetarian Karl Marx *Jrs* burgers!

            FTFY!

            So much fear, such little brains.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @09:49PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @09:49PM (#1079979)

              Karl Jr is the one that said we should socialize the losses, privatize the gains, and suck a lot of corporate cock, right?

              • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @10:11PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @10:11PM (#1079988)

                Exchange theory of value says "I'd rather use technologies of abundance to create artificial scarcity! In the final analysis, fuck you, I'm eating."

                Brought to you by Karl's Jr.

        • (Score: 5, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Friday November 20 2020, @07:11PM (4 children)

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday November 20 2020, @07:11PM (#1079917) Journal

          I know it sucks for all you anti-Democracy types but in America we count all the votes.

          • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday November 20 2020, @09:26PM (3 children)

            by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday November 20 2020, @09:26PM (#1079967) Journal

            Multiple times, apparently!

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @09:30PM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @09:30PM (#1079971)

              I believe an automatic recount can be requested if Georgia certifies a race but the margin is within 0.3%. If the Trump campaign requests the recount, we'll see Biden win Georgia THREE TIMES!

              • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday November 20 2020, @10:50PM

                by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday November 20 2020, @10:50PM (#1080001) Journal

                Yep, looks like it. Some states require the campaign to pay for it but since the GA taxpayers will be on the hook he'll definitely be requesting a 3rd recount.

                Georgia resident should be pissed but most of that taxpayer money came from NY or CA anyway so it won't bother them.

                (Just kidding, the counties pay for it. It's not actually paid for by all that Red State Welfare we send them.)

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @12:34AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @12:34AM (#1080031)

                What will the "Cock" crow after Georgia denies him THRICE?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @07:12PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @07:12PM (#1079918)

          It's just a recount that includes all the fake votes for Biden.

          It included all the fake votes for Trump, too. Got a problem with that? We all know those were more than the fake votes for Biden. But still, Trump, and Trumpsters, are losers.

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @06:46PM (41 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @06:46PM (#1079893)

      Let's be clear about this.

      Georgia conducted a full audit with the assistance of an outside firm, VotingWorks, to investigate irregularities in the election. No large scale irregularities were found.

      They did a hand recount as part of the audit process. They also searched for any ballots that could have been excluded from the original count. They found a few thousand ballots that were not counted by mistake. Trump gained a small number of votes as a result. There was zero evidence that machines had been flipping Biden votes to Trump votes, demonstrating that conspiracy theories about this are without merit.

      The audit was overseen by Brad Raffensperger, a Republican who is Georgia's Secretary of State. From a party standpoint, he had every reason to make sure he did everything in his power to ensure that Trump was treated fairly in the election.

      Georgia's thorough audit should fully debunk any of the Trump campaign's allegations about voting fraud and irregularities in Georgia. Moreover, because the Trump campaign was incorrect about allegations in Georgia, it should be a strong signal that there's almost certainly zero merit to their even more outlandish claims about fraud in other states.

      It is mind-boggling that you would interpret this to mean there was fraud in a couple of counties. There is incredibly compelling evidence to the contrary, yet you won't believe it. I just don't get it.

      • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday November 20 2020, @07:01PM

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday November 20 2020, @07:01PM (#1079908) Journal

        Yes, they hand-counted the PAPER TRAIL!

        Just to remind everybody what the objective reality is.

        Even GA had the ability to fix their crappy voting machines....

          If you don't have a paper trial in your own state at this point it's your own fucking fault.

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 20 2020, @07:07PM (20 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) on Friday November 20 2020, @07:07PM (#1079915) Homepage Journal

        I just don't get it.

        The best frauds are those that are hardest to uncover, or to prove.

        It's going to take a long time for me to get over the rallies. Trump has thousands of supporters rallying, whether he is present or not. Biden can't hire even small crowds of 12, 18, or 24. But, he wins the election? Something smells . . .

        And, those five battleground states that all stopped counting simultaneously on election night, only to see Biden counts increase VERY SHARPLY immediately when recounting began. Yep, I smell fish!

        However, as I said in my original post, if the Rs weren't bright enough to prevent any of it, well, they lose. Let's wait until the Electoral College has it's say, THEN we can talk about a President Elect.

        --
        Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Friday November 20 2020, @07:13PM (1 child)

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday November 20 2020, @07:13PM (#1079919) Journal

          Simpler hypothesis than a massive election conspiracy: Morons are more likely to gather in large groups while a deadly airborne virus is floating around.

          • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @11:51PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @11:51PM (#1080276)

            I strongly believe there is a conspiracy of sorts going on. I'll tell you what I think is going on. Trump knows he lost the election. This cannot be plausibly questioned at this point. He knows that he's leaving the White House on January 20, even if the Secret Service has to drag him out of there like a toddler throwing a temper tantrum.

            These lawsuits and tweets are a distraction so you don't pay attention to the dangerous policies being enacted and moves being made in the final days of the Trump administration. If we're all talking about Trump lying about the election, we're not talking about the damaging economic, public health, foreign relations, and public health actions that this administration is making. This is the most corrupt administration in the history of the United States. Trump is the worst president in the history of the nation, worse than Andrew Johnson, James Buchanan, and Warren Harding. George W. Bush was not a good president but he had enough respect for the office and the country to run a first rate transition at the end of his presidency and to defer to the incoming Obama administration about policy.

            https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/21/us/politics/trump-biden-transition.html [nytimes.com]
            https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/16/climate/trump-oil-drilling-alaska.html [nytimes.com]
            https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/climate/michael-kuperberg-climate-assessment.html [nytimes.com]

            You can find many more such articles. But we're not talking about these things because Trump and his associates are working hard to distract us from the damage that they're really doing. Yes, we should be talking about Trump's efforts to sow doubts about the legitimacy of American elections. We just can't let the Trump administration get away with shady actions behind the scenes.

            Yes, I believe there's a conspiracy. But it's a conspiracy run by the incredibly corrupt Trump administration to distract the American people from their crooked and shady dealings before January 20.

        • (Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @07:16PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @07:16PM (#1079922)

          The best frauds are those that are hardest to uncover, or to prove.

          And the very best, the VERY BEST frauds are the ones there is NO evidence of! The ones that are so good, that there is not the slightest bit of factual support for them, the ones that only exist in the addled heads of those who watch Sucker Carlson. In fact, the less evidence, the more true the conspiracy is. Runaway has gone full-QAnon. Can't say I didn't see it coming.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @05:49AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @05:49AM (#1080113)

            The matrix has him.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 22 2020, @05:01AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 22 2020, @05:01AM (#1080356)

            That ship sailed when he called for Civil War 2.0 to save his spawn's *cough* future *cough* from TeH DaRkIeS. That shit showed he's been over the edge for a while and he probably considered going to the border to help with that big threat from the caravan!

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 01 2020, @12:06AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 01 2020, @12:06AM (#1082615)

            Sucker Carlson got attacked by his own supporters for reporting that he asked Sydney Powell to come on his program and discuss her fraud allegations and her evidence for them, and she repeatedly declined.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @07:48PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @07:48PM (#1079939)

          You put the outhouse too close to the house.

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by Magic Oddball on Friday November 20 2020, @07:54PM

          by Magic Oddball (3847) on Friday November 20 2020, @07:54PM (#1079942) Journal

          It's going to take a long time for me to get over the rallies. Trump has thousands of supporters rallying, whether he is present or not. Biden can't hire even small crowds of 12, 18, or 24. But, he wins the election? Something smells . . .

          Keep in mind the effects of their different approaches to the coronavirus... We're looking at one guy who exhorted his followers to rally together in large numbers in-person, and another guy who intentionally limits the size of his rallies while telling his followers to stay home to avoid spreading a virus; it doesn't seem logical to me to draw any conclusions about their popularity based on the size of the resulting crowds.

          And, those five battleground states that all stopped counting simultaneously on election night

          They actually didn't stop counting; one county had to pause briefly because a pipe burst, others stopped when they finished counting in-person votes but were still counting the incoming absentee ballots:

          https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/nov/04/facebook-posts/battleground-states-did-not-stop-counting-votes-el/ [politifact.com]

          only to see Biden counts increase VERY SHARPLY immediately when recounting began.

          Biden's votes would have increased at a faster pace when absentee/mail-in ballots were counted because a larger proportion of mail-in voters tend to be Democrat, and also because Trump had been actively telling his followers to vote-in person rather than mail.

          Let's wait until the Electoral College has it's say, THEN we can talk about a President Elect.

          That's going to be interesting; I assume that we'll see the same reaction from it as in 2016, where the electors simply stated that it was their duty to vote in accordance with their state's residents. Hopefully that won't happen; it wouldn't surprise me if we saw ANTIFA riots from Hell there if the electors decided to override the voters.

        • (Score: 5, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Friday November 20 2020, @10:24PM (2 children)

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday November 20 2020, @10:24PM (#1079995) Journal

          Let's wait until the Electoral College has it's say, THEN we can talk about a President Elect.

          You had no problem with calling a winner on November 9th last time around. [soylentnews.org]

          What's today's date?

          • (Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 20 2020, @11:31PM (1 child)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) on Friday November 20 2020, @11:31PM (#1080013) Homepage Journal

            And, four years ago, we DID wait for the electoral college. No one was trying to move Trump into the White House on Nov. 9th. We had to wait for the EC to make it official, then wait for inauguration day. Biden wants moneys from the GAO like RIGHT NOW already. He gets no moneys until it's official.

            --
            Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
            • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @12:00AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @12:00AM (#1080020)

              Just like every other president before him received, including Trump and Bush. Although do note that they got it earlier than our current distance from the election and that Bush got it even though there actually was a question as to who would ultimately win. They didn't have to wait until the counting was certified, recounts completed, SCOTUS ruled, the EC voted or was counted.

        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @12:15AM (4 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @12:15AM (#1080023)

          Runaway believes something with zero evidence and clear explanations for his fishy suspicions like the fact that mail in ballots were mostly from Ds and counted after the in oerson ballots. Oh no, VERY SHARP INCREASE due to Trumo's own bad advice for Rs to vote in person.

          Amazing how easily you accept conspiracies with zero evidence because of yer FEELZ while disbelieving Trump's crimes that have tons of evidence because liberals are so mean to the conman in chief. Go fuck yourself you jelly spined boomer.

          • (Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Saturday November 21 2020, @12:36AM (3 children)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) on Saturday November 21 2020, @12:36AM (#1080033) Homepage Journal

            Funny, the non-battleground states didn't swing like they did in the battleground states. Funny as all hell.

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            Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @08:51AM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @08:51AM (#1080139)

              What's really surprising about states that were narrowly won by Trump last time being won by Biden this time? Especially when you factor in record turnout, and the huge portion of the population that hates Trump and everything he stands for.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 22 2020, @09:10PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 22 2020, @09:10PM (#1080490)

                Think about this: Runaway repeatedly claimed that he didn't like Trump and that he would vote against him since he is the heir apparent anyway. Why is he so surprised that so many other people also did the same? There are a number of ways to go from there, but most of them don't paint him or conservatives in a good light.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 26 2020, @12:46AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 26 2020, @12:46AM (#1081413)

                  He is either a liar or a shill. Probably liar via Occam's razor, but I wouldn't be too surprised given his amount of commentary that he is a paid shill who spends all day every day shitposting online for some think tank.

        • (Score: 2) by dry on Monday November 23 2020, @04:43AM

          by dry (223) on Monday November 23 2020, @04:43AM (#1080577) Journal

          What is it with rallies, rallying over a politician, or a reality TV star just seems so weird, though there are lots of stories of paid rallies, and I guess a Billionaire could arrange some pretty big rallies during a recession.
          Here in Canada, I can't ever remember any rallies for any politician, I mean we're talking about low life politicians, a necessary evil it seems. It also seems that many people don't vote for someone but rather against someone and it is really easy to believe a lot of people would vote against someone who is likely to go down in the history books as the worst President ever. How many Americans have died on his watch? Has he shown any signs of caring?
          As for fraud, it does seem the best explanation for Trump getting so many votes, especially with him telling his followers to vote twice and it is believable that the Republicans running the elections in these swing States don't want to go, "Yes, there was fraud, all these double Trump votes"

        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday November 26 2020, @12:54PM (2 children)

          by c0lo (156) on Thursday November 26 2020, @12:54PM (#1081490) Journal

          The best frauds are those that are hardest to uncover, or to prove.

          That's like saying the best lie is the truth.

          --
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday November 26 2020, @03:10PM (1 child)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) on Thursday November 26 2020, @03:10PM (#1081507) Homepage Journal

            No, it is nothing the same. The best lies are those that are repeated again and again, ever more loudly, until people start to believe them.

            The best frauds are never uncovered, period. The best frauds are missed by auditors, and never questioned.

            --
            Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 27 2020, @08:59AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 27 2020, @08:59AM (#1081663)

              So we have now transitioned from "There must be fraud here because there is so much evidence of fraud," to "there must be fraud here because there is no evidence." Maybe you should take some introspection on why all the facts you see, even the ones that contradict the other ones, confirm your beliefs. Somewhat apropos, it might have something to do with having repeatedly heard how the election was a fraud.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @07:15PM (13 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @07:15PM (#1079920)

        "Let's be clear about this."

        Yes, let's. You're an idiituc asshile sore loser POS. 2016 Ds weren't hapoy but didn't push consouracy nonsense to try and iverthrow democracy. Evidence or GTFO, all these accusations based on fake news are getting tiresome. At least Russiagate had real evidence intentionally ignored by Barr and the GOP.

        • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday November 20 2020, @07:19PM (5 children)

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday November 20 2020, @07:19PM (#1079925) Journal

          Hillary Clinton conceded immediately and called up Trump like a man to congratulate him. [politico.com]

          How do you think the whiny little bitch is going to handle his loss once he can no longer deny it?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @10:59PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @10:59PM (#1080004)

            How do you think the whiny little bitch is going to handle his loss once he can no longer deny it?

            Boogaloo attempt. The Christian Identity mullahs will be saying it's now or never. If they don't boogaloo, Man Jeebus won't come out of retirement to command Yahweh's Army of the Apocalypse.

          • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Friday November 20 2020, @11:03PM (3 children)

            by Gaaark (41) on Friday November 20 2020, @11:03PM (#1080006) Journal

            I'm wondering if, like Adolf Hitler, he will just bunker down and shoots himself: he's blaming everyone but himself for the non-loss loss, like ol' Adolf did.

            The loss wasn't Adolf's, it was Germany's, it was his allies, it was his Generals, it was his armed forces, it was his people....but NEVER his fault. Sound familiar, anyone? Anyone?

            --
            --- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
            • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @11:44PM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @11:44PM (#1080016)

              He'd probably miss and hit someone else.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @09:54PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @09:54PM (#1080242)

                I wouldn't mind so much if it were one or the other of Don Jr, Eric, Ivanka, or Jared.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 27 2020, @09:01AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 27 2020, @09:01AM (#1081665)

                We've already had a VP shoot someone in the face and the victim apologized. Maybe we are about due for the POTUS to do it too.

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 20 2020, @11:40PM (6 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) on Friday November 20 2020, @11:40PM (#1080015) Homepage Journal

          You must have slept through the last few months of 2016. Even before Election Day ended, Ds were promising a "resistance" against Trump, and promising an impeachment. They spent 4 years fighting Trump at ever turn. How much of that did you sleep through?

          --
          Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
          • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @12:08AM (5 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @12:08AM (#1080021)

            Well since Trump committed a crime against Clinton soliciting Russia to hack a US government official I don't see any problem there. Then Trump continued making bad decisions so again I'm not going to be upset about his opposition. Care to stop defending a criminal and traitor? Not a good look for you.

            • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday November 21 2020, @12:33AM (1 child)

              by Runaway1956 (2926) on Saturday November 21 2020, @12:33AM (#1080030) Homepage Journal

              Criminals and traitors - that's all we get to choose from anymore.

              --
              Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @05:18AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @05:18AM (#1080105)

                Criminals and traitors, and Runaway1956, - that's all we get to choose from anymore.

                Well, not really a choice at all. More like a clusterfuck?

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @07:38PM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @07:38PM (#1080220)

              Recent declassified evidence showed that the "russia gate" scandal was invented by the Hillary campaign to try to win the 2016 election.

              Which is why the Muller report could not find any evidence of russian interference, even after 2+ years of hunting for it.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 22 2020, @01:35AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 22 2020, @01:35AM (#1080318)

                OK Putin

              • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 22 2020, @05:23AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 22 2020, @05:23AM (#1080358)

                Thanks for trying to lie about something we have direct quotes from Mueller about.

                https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/did-mueller-mean-trump-could-be-indicted-when-he-leaves-n1033901 [nbcnews.com]

                "I believe a reasonable person looking at these facts could conclude that all three elements of the crime of obstruction of justice have been met, and I'd like to ask you the reason, again, you did not indict Donald Trump is because of the OLC (the DOJ's Office of Legal Counsel) opinion stating that you cannot indict a sitting president, correct?" Lieu asked.

                "That is correct," Mueller [responded]. *it says "Mueller asked" in the article but it was just a response*

                Mueller had no desire to be a part of the political narrative so he stuck to his restricted scope and did not speculate beyond that specific boundary. Props to Mueller for being professional.

                That is just for Trump's crimes.

                Now, for your dumb fuck vodka induced inane input:

                Questioner (video didn't show her name), "Would you agree that it was not a hoax that the Russians were engaged in trying to impact our election?"

                Mueller, "Absolutely. That was not a hoax. The indictments we returned against the Russians were substantial in their scope."

                https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/here-are-the-key-moments-from-mueller-s-testimony-64477253602 [nbcnews.com]

                Mueller, "The expectation was, if we did subpoena the president he would fight the subpoena and we would be in the midst of the investigation for a significant period of time." The president did answer in writing but ignored several of the questions.

                So go blow it out yer ass, congratulations on duping a bunch of old uneducated Americans who have been primed by the greedy machinations of the GOP. You shouldn't feel proud, you should feel dirty. The majority of the US understands what you're doing, as does the rest of the world, so don't feel too superior in trolling a bunch of scared and/or angry people. Your president treats you and everyone you know as a slave and your democracy is more laughable than Iran!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @07:41PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @07:41PM (#1079934)

        Evidence? We don't need no stinkin' evidence. We have Giuliani.

        • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @09:29PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @09:29PM (#1079969)

          My Condolences.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @01:15AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @01:15AM (#1080040)

          Evidence? We don't need no stinkin' evidence. We have Giuliani.

          Yeah Mr. noun, verb, 9/11 [politico.com] is quite a colorful [nytimes.com] character.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @08:55PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @08:55PM (#1079958)

        Georgia conducted a full audit with the assistance of an outside firm, VotingWorks, to investigate irregularities in the election.

        From https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/voting-works/ [influencewatch.org] : "VotingWorks was created within and incubated by the left-leaning Center for Democracy and Technology (CDT) in December 2018 and later and spun off as a separate non-profit. CDT’s major donors are large technology firms, such as Amazon, Google, Facebook, Apple, and Microsoft; and large left-of-center foundations, including George Soros’s Foundation to Promote Open Society, the Ford Foundation, and the MacArthur Foundation."

        Any more foxes you care to let in the henhouse to count the eggs?

        • (Score: 4, Funny) by DeathMonkey on Friday November 20 2020, @09:30PM

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday November 20 2020, @09:30PM (#1079970) Journal

          left-leaning Center for Democracy and Technology

          It's true!

          Right-leaning people absolutely HATE Democracy and think technology is just too darn complicated.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 24 2020, @08:52AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 24 2020, @08:52AM (#1080928)

      The dreadful twin of the +5 Troll, the -1 Insightful! Runaway has done it! May his username live on in infamy!!

  • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @06:55PM (17 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @06:55PM (#1079904)

    This is as thorough of an investigation into a state election process as can possibly be done in the available time. This debunks every one of the Trump campaign's allegations about fraud and irregularities in Georgia. The process was led by Georgia's Secretary of State, a Republican. There was zero merit to any of the Trump campaign's allegations about Georgia. Zero.

    The Trump campaign has made even more outlandish claims about fraud in other states. They are so egregious but zero evidence has been produced. The absurdity is so great that even Tucker Carlson called BS on Trump lawyer Sidney Powell [washingtonpost.com]. Carlson is a shill for Donald Trump and that's putting it nicely. When Carlson says the Trump campaign is full of shit, it means they're full of shit.

    Georgia's thorough audit debunked the Trump campaign's allegations about that state. The Trump campaign refuses to provide any evidence of their even more bizarre allegations about other states to the point that even his strongest supporters on Fox News have called BS. Shouldn't this be enough to make even the most hardened of Trump supporters admit that everything the Trump and his campaign are saying has zero merit?

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @07:25PM (12 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @07:25PM (#1079927)

      "Shouldn't this be enough to make even the most hardened of Trump supporters admit that everything the Trump and his campaign are saying has zero merit?"

      Yes it should, but so should have the last 4 yesrs. Trumpers are emotionally comoromised and so far down the rabbit hole that admitting being suckered would be an existential crisis. So just wait and they'll go into denial about ever supporting him or whatever. That is the best we're likely to get. No apologies, no self-reflection, and continued reliance on carlson, hannity, jones. No amount of pointing out their lies makes a difference.

      • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday November 20 2020, @07:43PM (11 children)

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday November 20 2020, @07:43PM (#1079936) Journal

        The old-white-people-poll (Rasmussen) is showing some downward movement in the weeks since Trump started his Fuck Democracy tour.

        Trump Approval Index History [rasmussenreports.com]

        I have no idea what it means but it is interesting....

        • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday November 20 2020, @08:50PM (10 children)

          by fustakrakich (6150) on Friday November 20 2020, @08:50PM (#1079957) Journal

          Trump "approval"? He only cares about the Trump Nielsons

          His actual approval rating so far... 47.2% All within normal margins

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          • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday November 20 2020, @09:20PM (9 children)

            by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday November 20 2020, @09:20PM (#1079963) Journal

            It could definitely just be a post-election reversion to the mean if that's what you're saying.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @09:51PM (7 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @09:51PM (#1079980)

              Fox is going to cancel the next season of "Trump", just like they did "Firefly"? Those Bastards!!!

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @09:58PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @09:58PM (#1079985)

                They must have been pressed into the Liberal Media Gang ohs noes!

              • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday November 20 2020, @10:16PM (5 children)

                by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday November 20 2020, @10:16PM (#1079992) Journal

                Four seasons was enough...

                But enough landscaping talk!

                • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @11:48PM (4 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @11:48PM (#1080017)

                  Lawn Order.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @02:36AM (3 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @02:36AM (#1080067)

                    At least we didn't have another Bush in the white house.

                    • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday November 21 2020, @05:24AM (2 children)

                      by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday November 21 2020, @05:24AM (#1080107) Journal

                      Or a Clinton, or a Roosevelt, or a caesar from the House of Julia. Huangdi! What I always liked about America, thus far: no political dynasties! So far.

                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @10:15PM (1 child)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @10:15PM (#1080246)

                        "What I always liked about America, thus far: no political dynasties! So far."

                        I take it you have never heard of the Kennedys.

            • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday November 23 2020, @06:53PM

              by fustakrakich (6150) on Monday November 23 2020, @06:53PM (#1080763) Journal

              I'm saying he received a 47.2% approval rating on the 3rd.

              Keeping the spread so narrow, that's what counts

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @11:39PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 21 2020, @11:39PM (#1080271)

      "Carlson is a shill for Donald Trump and that's putting it nicely."

      Indeed.

      "When Carlson says the Trump campaign is full of shit, it means they're full of shit."

      No, what it means is that management at Fox "News" have told Carlson that is what he should believe/say. You need to face facts: Carlson is a spineless empty suit. He and all his adoring fans need to learn a simple truth: putting on a bow tie and spouting a few "conservative" talking points does not confer on him the mantle of successor to George Will's ideological legacy.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 26 2020, @01:09AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 26 2020, @01:09AM (#1081417)

        I'm pretty far on the left side of the political spectrum but I find I am still turned off by some of the leftwing media personalities because they are distasteful people who have little problem stretching the truth or outright lying to win the argument.

        That goes doubly so for rightwing media because for some reason they have chosen the path of darkness and lies. If I can see the darkness behind some leftwing pundits manipulating facts for their own purposes then how can rightwing folks not see Carlson, Hannity and Shapiro for the lying fucks they are?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 27 2020, @09:05AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 27 2020, @09:05AM (#1081666)

        This Carlson stuff has aged like milk given how the Trumpers have turned on him now. From one of the last remaining patriots to a pizzagating pedophile practically overnight!

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by canopic jug on Saturday November 21 2020, @07:47AM (2 children)

    by canopic jug (3949) on Saturday November 21 2020, @07:47AM (#1080125) Journal

    And yet, if you note what the observers had to say about the "recount", Georgia is having to deal with voting and auditing processes which are FUBAR and need to be replaced with actual paper ballots. The "recount" was completely unscientific [thenation.com] and, for the literate, a shocking incident. Whether people are happy with the results or not does not affect the importance of ensuring a reliable and sound process. That'st just not happening. Instead the states have methods which don't actually work and, depending on which "side" won, take turns alternately attacking or defending the undeniable need to fix the process itself.

    This week, thousands of Georgians sat at tables in rooms large and small across the state’s 159 counties and counted nearly 5 million paper ballots by hand, in what officials called a statewide audit of the general election outcome. Though the process ended by confirming President-elect Joe Biden’s lead, certified by the state on Friday, expert observers across the nation familiar with the state and its history with election technology looked on, feeling what one described as “horrified.”

    These observers included computer scientists, cybersecurity analysts, an adviser to Congress on election integrity, and the statistician who invented the method of auditing elections that Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said the state was carrying out.

    Their reactions to the noble efforts of exhausted election workers were not, they underlined, due to evidence of wrongdoing, or fraud, or challenges to the election’s legitimacy. Their concerns owed to the process being used, what state officials were calling it, and what this could mean for future attempts to build public trust in election results—including on January 5, when voters in Georgia will once again be in the national spotlight, as a special election decides the balance of power in the US Senate.

    That whole article is worth a read, there just too many mistakes being made, mostly on purpose, to summarize in a short quote. Remember, there are still two US Senate seats to fill in January there.

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    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by canopic jug on Saturday November 21 2020, @04:27PM

      by canopic jug (3949) on Saturday November 21 2020, @04:27PM (#1080187) Journal

      The state of Georgia has already certified the counts, the results are not going to be changed. That is not the issue I am pointing out, even if both branches of the Republicrat party are annoyed. Again, whether people are happy with the results or not does not affect the importance of ensuring a reliable and sound process. From the article from The Nation linked to above,

      As Miller wrote in his essay, “Audits must be sufficiently well-organized and rigorous that they do not potentially risk becoming yet another ‘political football’ for partisans to argue over; the whole point of a post-election audit is to produce clear evidence that reduces uncertainty—not to give politicians a fresh set of new ‘irregularities’ to argue about.”
        from Why Georgia’s Unscientific Recount ‘Horrified’ Experts:Observers, including the inventor of the auditing process used by the state, were skeptical of a measure seemingly aimed at placating the GOP [thenation.com]

      Methods need to be rolled out to ensure veracity, accuracy, and transparency. What is in place now does not allow for any of that and is instead used as a political football for tribalists to argue for or against, depending on whether their tribe appeared to have won or lost the most recent elections. It's a difficult situtation to fix in part because of the tribalism.

      In the long term, failure to address these issues only further undermines faith in the elections making it harder to convince the losers when they have lost.

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      Money is not free speech. Elections should not be auctions.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 01 2020, @05:05PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 01 2020, @05:05PM (#1082862)

      That quote, yikes! Holy run-on sentences Batman!
      They take four or five sentences and just stick commas in there until they get to the point. No wonder it's hard to summarize in a short quote.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 29 2020, @06:25AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 29 2020, @06:25AM (#1081999)

    And with comment #88 we go into the future!

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 07 2020, @09:08PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 07 2020, @09:08PM (#1085009)

    Now Biden's done it thrice!

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