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I may be 72," Maria Arredondo from Michigan told us when we called her. "But I'm alive and breathing. My mind is working fine and I'm healthy."
Maria said she had voted for Joe Biden and was surprised to hear that her name had appeared on a list of supposedly dead voters in the state.
We spoke to other people in similar situations to that of Maria in Michigan and found similar stories.
To test the list, we picked 30 names at random. To this we added the oldest person on the list.
Of this list of 31 names, we managed to speak directly to 11 people (or to a family member, neighbour or care home worker) to confirm they were still alive.
For 17 others, there was no public record of their death, and we found clear evidence that they were alive after the alleged date of death on the list of 10,000. A clear pattern emerged - the wrong records had been joined together to create a false match.
Finally, we found that three people on the list were indeed dead. We examine these cases later.
When we looked for another centenarian, who according to the list had died in 1977, we found that she had still been alive when her postal ballot was returned in September. However, a neighbour told us the woman had died just a few weeks ago. We also found a matching obituary from October to confirm this.
Two other men on our list of 31 died some time ago, yet votes had been cast in their names - with the correct postcodes and years of birth - according to the voting database.
We found that for both men, there were sons with the same name currently registered at the same address as their deceased fathers.
In both cases, a ballot was sent in for the dead fathers.
Local election officials told us that one of the votes had been counted but there was no record of the son having voted.
In the other, it was the son who actually voted, but it had been recorded as the father's due to a clerical error.
US Election 2020: The 'dead voters' in Michigan who are still alive
(Score: 4, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Thursday December 10 2020, @06:11PM (4 children)
And in other Biden won the election news: All 50 states and DC have now certified their presidential election results [abc57.com]
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 10 2020, @07:00PM (3 children)
[Laughs in 1776]
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 10 2020, @07:44PM (2 children)
[Sighs in 1865]
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 10 2020, @09:35PM (1 child)
[Dies in 1963]
(Score: 4, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Thursday December 10 2020, @11:57PM
[Runs Away in 1956]
(Score: 2) by krishnoid on Thursday December 10 2020, @06:50PM
At least it's not the next worst possibility [youtu.be].
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 10 2020, @06:59PM (66 children)
Maybe all this fraud shit will get more conservatives actually caring about election reforms instead of smirking while their team uses every dirty trick to subvert democracy.
Wait, what am I thinking. Conservatives thinking for themselves instead of following their marching orders? They probably need a reminder that the GOP sat on a bunch of election reform legiation. Wonder how they'll blame Ds for that.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 10 2020, @07:22PM (23 children)
(Score: 5, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Thursday December 10 2020, @07:27PM (22 children)
Senate GOP blocks three election security bills [thehill.com]
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 10 2020, @09:14PM (19 children)
From your article:
One of the allegations about the vote counting in Michigan is that voting machines were connected to the internet. There wasn't even Republican support to ban this, something that should be totally obvious. But it's now part of the conspiracy theories about supposed massive voting fraud.
Republicans block common sense security measures, then claim that the lack of those exact security measures undermined the outcome of the election.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday December 10 2020, @11:22PM (16 children)
You missed the primary objection to federal laws regarding the elections:
The states are responsible for their own election laws. The objections raised by dissenting Senators, was that the Feds would be infringing on state's rights by passage of these proposed laws. It would require a constitutional amendment to give the federal government some kind of authority to force the states to do as required here. Or, a couple progressive activist judges.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Friday December 11 2020, @12:00AM (1 child)
So they would be opposed to the federal government overturning a state's election based on, say, a lawsuit from Texas?
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Friday December 11 2020, @12:54AM
Legal recourse permits all sorts of legal challenges, that can be appealed all the way to the US Supreme Court. I didn't much like it when Bush beat Gore, and I wouldn't much like it this time either. But, I could accept it if Creepy Joe were sent home to Delaware.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @12:03AM (4 children)
And yet they seem fine with allowing one state to sue another state because they don't like the results of their election. So much for no constitutional amendment that allows the federal officials to force states to do what they want with their election. Or it being the fault of progressive activist judges if it does happen.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday December 11 2020, @12:45AM (3 children)
I'm sure that un-American-as-fuck lawsuit has nothing to do with the fact that the guy filing it might be going to jail...
No selling out democracy in exchange for a corrupt pardon going on here for sure! [khou.com]
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @12:55AM (2 children)
Pardon me, Senpai. OwO
(Score: 4, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Friday December 11 2020, @01:18AM (1 child)
I'm so glad you asked for clarification!
The State of Texas, at the command of their Attorney General Ken Paxton, is suing to force the federal government to overturn the election results in various swing states.
Ken Paxton has been subpoenaed by the FBI because he's being investigated for abuse of office, fraud and bribery.
I'm alleging that Paxton knows he's going to jail and is fucking with our Democracy to save his own ass via a pardon from Trump.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @03:07AM
I think you misunderstood. That was a joke at Paxton. A note of his probable pardon intent, the meme "Notice me, Senpai," and the use of "OwO" to ram the joke home. But thank you for your clarification either way.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @12:23AM
If you think those Senators gave two shits beyond their own power consolidation I've got a bridge to sell you. I used to think Republicans had a sliver of integrity regarding their small gov states rights crap, but the current ctop of conservatives have proven that it really is just window dressing.
If those pricks believed what they say, AND they cared about securing democracy, then they would have pushed states to secure thwir elections. Since they did not it is clear Republicans have been cheating for years and don't wanna give up their power. Even if you don't believe they are complicit in fraud they are still not doing anything to stop it.
Better luck next time dummy.
(Score: 3, Informative) by fustakrakich on Friday December 11 2020, @02:43AM (1 child)
No amendment required. The fed's authority is in the body of the constitution itself
Article 1 Section 4:
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 4, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @03:11AM
A conservative read the Constitution? They read it like the read their bibles, pick and choose the parts that already agree with what their dogma and high priest says.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by hemocyanin on Friday December 11 2020, @03:03AM (1 child)
No Constitutional amendment necessary and no infringement on states' rights -- just do what they did with the drinking age, deny Federal highway dollars for those states which refuse to hold fair, auditable, secure elections in which only eligible voters vote. The states are free to turn down the money and run rigged systems. End of story,
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 12 2020, @09:54PM
lolololol
how quickly conservatives violate their own ideals
everyone should listen to hemo so they know the kind of shit to ignore
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @04:19AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/pennsylvania-texas-supreme-court-trump-election-2020-b1769664.html [independent.co.uk]
Hmm, the state leader of US 'patriots' is trying to undermine states' rights. Fucking hilarious, could you start condemning the traitorous GOP fuckers? Or do you really need human ovens before you acknowledge they might be bad?
(Score: 2) by dry on Wednesday December 16 2020, @03:12AM (2 children)
The Federal government just has to offer money if States follow these rules, like they do with highways.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday December 16 2020, @03:19AM (1 child)
The justification for most all that funding BS comes from the fed's authority to regulate interstate commerce. I don't know how they can bring the vote under the interstate commerce balloon.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by dry on Wednesday December 16 2020, @03:39AM
Is that the only justification? What about when they forced the States to have a uniform drinking age? Hmm, that was tied to highway funding too. Well just do the same with elections, from the decision of S. Dakota vs Dole, as long as the highway funds are only reduced and honest elections are good for the general welfare, it would likely be Constitutional, at least if pushed by Republicans so the Supreme Court knows how to vote.
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Friday December 11 2020, @03:50PM
How else are they supposed to buffalo the ignorant into thinking the election is insecure?
Right out the GOP playbook. Call something shitty, and do everything in their power to make it that way.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Joe Desertrat on Thursday December 17 2020, @07:04PM
All of the shouting may just be a smokescreen. Draw the attention away from the real problem. Maybe we shouldn't be looking at where Trump lost, but looking at where he won. Most of those red states have significant numbers of voting machines with no paper trails...
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @05:53PM (1 child)
Democrats are more to blame than republicans.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 12 2020, @02:46AM
This is true, they're always losing. I think they do it on purpose and use the republicans to pass legislation they can't be caught advocating themselves.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by DannyB on Thursday December 10 2020, @07:34PM (41 children)
So called "conservatives" simply do not care about Democracy. Sorry to have to say that. But it seems to fit.
If they like the result, then everything was great. If they don't like the result, then there was massive fraud. I love how in one of Trump's lawsuits, the Democrats argued that Trump had talked about election fraud well before election day. If he knew of fraud, then why did he wait to bring this case until after the election? The only reason is that he did not like the result of the election rather than the process of the election.
The fact that so many of Trump's followers, and media outlets, have continued to embrace the lie that Trump won is very revealing. And troubling.
It is perfect symmetry that Trump presidency would end with a massive, repeated and debunked lie about winning the election. It mirrors how he began his presidency of lies with a lie about winning the popular vote (easily debunked), winning the electoral vote by the biggest margin ever (trivially debunked), and the most important thing: his inauguration crowd size, which was clearly quite small.
Four years ago, half the country (more than half by popular vote) was disappointed by the election outcome. But you didn't see anything like this. Hillary conceded, as all respectable presidential candidates would do. Everyone accepted the result, even if begrudgingly. There weren't people making death threats to election officials. There weren't people trying to disenfranchise millions of voters.
The most amazing thing is that while Trump tells everyone with a convincing conman straight face that he has evidence of massive voter fraud -- he never presents any of that in court. His court cases get thrown out for lack of evidence, any evidence. And thrown out by Republican judges. Some of whom were appointed by Trump or GW Bush. Some of whom are definitely conservative, former Federalist Society members. Yet Trump's lies continue to play on so called "conservative" media, and the people who listen to that continue to believe it uncritically.
Fascists have managed to hold on to power in prior human history. It could happen again. In fact, it might be easier to happen than we think. All we need is people who value party over democracy, over the constitution, over the rule of law, and who don't take their sworn duties seriously.
The checks and balances in our system are broken. They make the assumption that most people in government take their role seriously and treat it like a sacred duty to do the right thing. No more.
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 10 2020, @07:50PM (11 children)
And they conveniently believe the rightwing propaganda that Dems are the ones lying and cheating so ignoring the rule of law is the only way to get justice. Nevermind the overt fascism that goes along with it.
Absolute horse shit from the people angry about peaceful protesters and sportsball players taking a silent knee. Pure facepalm smacking the rolling eyes right out of the head.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Friday December 11 2020, @12:29AM (10 children)
And we ALREADY have a serious rightwing terrorism problem. [nytimes.com]
What happens in January when Biden takes office and all these nutjobs believe the election was stolen by literal pedophiliac demons?
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Friday December 11 2020, @03:15AM (8 children)
When progressive news sources are writing the "news", all terrorists are "right wing". Especially when people like Aristarchus crawl the web on a daily basis searching for the terms. He ignores all left wing terror hits, and cherry picks those that fit his agenda. NYT does the same, saving Ari some of the work.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @04:21AM (6 children)
Because leftwing *cough* "terrorism" doesn't even make the cut, and it is always punished properly.
Rightwing actual terrorism is defended and hard to prosecute.
Try again you dimwitted jackass.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday December 11 2020, @05:21AM (4 children)
So, all those rioters in Portland are going to be prosecuted?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @12:42PM
No, they're right wing. You can tell by how they're Americans, and affiliated with the Dems.
Another easy method is that right-wingers want to take other people's shit, but not do any work themselves (looters and thieves). Lefties want to give people shit, but they're trying to cut down on their own workload by forcing everyone else to also work. Anarchists just want to be left alone
(Score: 5, Insightful) by DannyB on Friday December 11 2020, @03:08PM (2 children)
There are protesters. There are rioters. The two are different. That is how you can distinguish between left wing and right wing.
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Friday December 11 2020, @03:43PM (1 child)
I'm glad you can distinguish between rioters and protesters. When some CNN idiot reporter gets in front of a camera to report "fiery but mostly peaceful", that idiot is defending RIOTING. There may or may not have been peaceful protests before the fires were started, but after the fires, after the broken windows, when the looting started, and old men were being beaten half to death, those were RIOTS. #freekyle #prosecuterioters
Take that Wall of Moms as an example. Stupid bunch of women knowingly stepped in front of active rioters, to shield them. Presenting the world with nice images of wholesome mothers, while the people they shielded were tossing explosives, shining lasers into cop's eyes, etc.
Prosecute the rioters, and I'll be just about finished bitching about that shit. Instead, people like the McClosky couple are being persecuted for protecting their own property. Kyle Rittenhouse is being persecuted for defending his own life.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 12 2020, @09:42AM
Oh, so now you're fine painting with a broad brush and supporting politicial fascism against protesters?
Since some conservatives are literally Nazis that means you are a nazi by association. Glad you finally gave us the excuse the call all y'all Nazis. Runaway you get the little nazi cuz you a coward.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @04:22PM
You'll be hearing from the attorney for dimwitted jackasses shortly. I believe that would be Giuliani or Powell.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday December 11 2020, @04:53AM
That's because they are all right wing, just like your "antifa". Left wingers are dope smoking anarchist hippies
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out...
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @06:30AM
Boogaloo. They're gonna fucking boogaloo. I thought, no way, they're not stupid enough to boogaloo. I thought, an electoral college roflstomp like that, Republican governors defending Biden win results, they gotta know they don't have the support they'd need to avoid being political incels. Then I listened to some AM radio during a road trip. The fucking idiots are gonna boogaloo. They think they're Jefferson Davis 2.0 and Man Jeebus is going to descend from the heavens in the form of the traitor Robert E. Lee and command Yahweh's Army of the Apocalypse on a jihad to cleanse the world of the inferior races and genders.
Oh man lol, they're gonna all get locked up so fast their heads will spin. I just can't believe these political incels. He surrendered! Get over it!
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 10 2020, @07:51PM (17 children)
You mean conservatives are starting to act like liberals? Well, yes. Yes they are. Many (not all) of them are finally starting to see that being nice and playing by the rules just means the lawless freaks that make up the Democratic party will steamroll right over them.
I doubt that Trump's court cases will result in anything. Not because the lying cheating asshole Democrats didn't lie and cheat -- they did. But our courts, even the Trump appointees, know that if they don't rule for Democrats then Antifa will kill them. So the Bidenreich will begin -- he's literally Adolph, you know. So is Harris. Long live the PedoFuhrer!
As for the BBC -- Bigoted Bastards and Cunts -- I don't believe a single word they say. If they claim so and so is actually alive, it's almost a certainty that they've simply hired actors to claim that they're who they say they are.
(Score: 5, Touché) by DannyB on Thursday December 10 2020, @08:18PM (16 children)
Evidence? Or just more Trump hot air?
Evidence?
Gaslighting? (because after out gassing you must light your own gas because nobody will do it for you?)
So like Trump. A lot of hot air and rage and thunder. But no evidence.
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 10 2020, @08:34PM (10 children)
Evidence? We're past that. No evidence was presented when people were called racist. No evidence was presented when people were called sexist. It was all about how somebody feels.
So no more evidence. Just insults, derision, contempt, and raw seething hatred. You know, what you all have been dishing out for years. Now thou shalt take it.
Don't bother to bitch because you're on the receiving end now, you child-sniffing commie shills. You taught us well. We learned it by watching you, Dad!, er, Mom!, er, Feathered Otherkin! We learned it by watching you!
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday December 10 2020, @08:59PM (5 children)
I started calling Trump a racist when he told a black lady who was born here to go back where she came from.
Maybe stop saying racist things if you don't want to be called a racist?
(Score: 2, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Thursday December 10 2020, @11:24PM (4 children)
And I started calling Joe a racist when he stated that poor kids were just as smart as white kids.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday December 10 2020, @11:30PM (3 children)
A statement that isn't racist taken at face value and also isn't racist with whatever substitution words you want us to put in his mouth.
(Score: 4, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Thursday December 10 2020, @11:41PM (2 children)
Yeah, well, at face value, the statement IS racist. Joe thinks all white kids are really really smart.
And, don't forget that if you don't vote for me, you ain't black. Arrogant hair sniffer.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @12:04AM
I started calling Runaway a racist when he was one. That is, forever.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 12 2020, @03:00PM
You forgot another claim that exists in such a statement: no white kid is poor.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 10 2020, @09:03PM (2 children)
There is tons of evidence Trump is racist amd sexist. Only morons scream fake news and demand a photo of him lynching a black person before they'll believe he is racist.
I laugh at your insults, they are no different from the last 20 years, and that lovely 8 year stint by a black man which for SOME STRANGE REASON pulled a LOT of shit from the GOP. Whine harder, at least you understand that you're playing the victim card instead of the tough guy persona you desperately wanted everyone to believe.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Thursday December 10 2020, @11:47PM (1 child)
So is grabbing women by the pussy because he's famous NOT sexism?
Or, is the tape of him admitting to it, plus the 21 witnesses of him doing it, multiple ongoing lawsuits and even a cum stained dress all fake news?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @12:25AM
I know it is easy to mix up the lines to the left that show hierarchy so I'll give you a minute to sort that out :-)
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 13 2020, @06:50PM
Evidence? We use RussiaGate as the standard for "evidence" now. Hearsay works there, it can work anywhere. IOW, we don't need no steenking evidence! So, why should they?
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday December 10 2020, @08:47PM (4 children)
There is no evidence of course. The very last of the bullshit lawsuits concedes this fact by claiming the fraud they are fighting is "undetectable."
The Trump team throws in the towel on proving voter fraud [washingtonpost.com]
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 10 2020, @09:19PM (2 children)
Any scientist should be cringing at that statement. Republicans have ensured that their allegations of fraud aren't falsifiable. That means they're also not a valid theory to explain the outcome of the election.
I'm just angry that the attorney general in my state (Doug Peterson) is wasting time and probably taxpayer money on this nonsense. Surely there are much better things that he should be doing.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 10 2020, @10:11PM
If he's wasting time, he's wasting taxpayer money.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 13 2020, @08:24PM
If they are not going to cringe at "the science is settled", then they won't cringe at "undetectable fraud" either.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @03:34AM
You also have to appreciate the irony of Texas suing because other states non-legislatively changed election procedures when they themselves did the same.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Thursday December 10 2020, @07:53PM (4 children)
This debacle has really highlighted the flaws in our ridiculous system.
I did not know, for example, the House and Senate could simply vote to not accept the results of the election and install whoever they want instead.
You know damn well they would be doing that right now had the Dems not taken the House in 2018. Elections really do matter.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday December 10 2020, @08:16PM (3 children)
They received 98.3% of the vote, nobody wants to jinx that, much less risk the great flood of money
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday December 10 2020, @11:52PM (2 children)
And if 51% of them hadn't voted Dem in 2018 we would be talking about a successful coup right now, not an unsuccessful one.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday December 10 2020, @11:57PM (1 child)
Yes, speculation is fun. Pretty neat how things work out, huh? Keep the game running
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @12:32AM
You are a childish cunt.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday December 10 2020, @08:07PM (3 children)
We broke it ourselves. Only 13 incumbents were voted out of congress.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 10 2020, @09:06PM (2 children)
A start. Trump might be the catalyst that wakes people up. Reminder that Biden only won yhe DNC due to the usual media smear campaigns and complicity from Warren and Buttigieg. So don't go on whining about votes for him, 100% will choose the not-fascist again.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday December 11 2020, @05:04AM
Of what? It was one of the worst election elections ever for removing the old lizards.
A start would mean electing a hundred or so independents and putting a small dent into the DNC/GOP
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 3, Interesting) by DannyB on Friday December 11 2020, @03:13PM
This is hearsay. But I hear that young people now take voting seriously and are registering. In the past young people couldn't be bothered to vote. Now they see that their futures could be taken away by old white rich "christian" "heterosexual" racist misogynist vain petty vindictive clowns.
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday December 10 2020, @08:22PM (1 child)
It is interesting that you mention the Federalist Society in your post.
As an outsider that looks to me a lot like the republicans are only loyal to their party, and the Federalist Society is where they send potential judges for training.
The fact that the current crop of challenges to your recent election are being thrown out by these judges is not an indication that they will continue to do that, it is a sign that they're going to need to do better next time, and I think they will. The people who are driving these cases are circus clowns who can't book a room in a hotel for a press conference and wind up doing it in front of a landscaping business instead. That seems to be a step too far, even for the republican party, but it shouldn't be too hard for them to find someone less moronic next time.
Yes, your system is broken and desperately needs reform, but the problem is the built in inflexibility which makes change too hard.
For example, your election was in November, but the winner can't take office until January, because it took that long to ride a horse to Washington in the 18th century. That needs to change, but it won't.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @12:27AM
Actually, Inauguration day was originally 4 March, and wasn't changed to 20 January until 1937 [wikipedia.org].
I'd also point out that the winners of down-ballot elections (both federal and state/local) generally don't take office until 1 January after the election.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 10 2020, @10:31PM (34 children)
So out of 10,000 allegedly dead voters, they were able to prove that 29 were either still alive, or were alive when they cast their vote, and two were mistakes with father and son having the same name.
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Runaway1956 on Thursday December 10 2020, @11:31PM (33 children)
They'll multiply that 29 by 50 states, divide by 1 for the Newbenighted States, multiply by pi, and cube the result, wave a magic wand, then give a press release that "There was no widespread fraud!"
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday December 10 2020, @11:54PM (9 children)
Are you describing the electoral college?
Since you're all about simplicity, how about my proposal: the person with the most votes wins.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday December 11 2020, @03:20AM (8 children)
So you're comfortable with disenfranchising all residents of all states with rural populations?
I'll remind you again, we don't live in a democracy. We live in a republic. The popular vote was never intended to be decisive, in and of itself. 32 wolves and 3 sheep voting on what's for dinner is a democracy.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @04:24AM
The best part is knowing how you'd be howling if Democrats were in the Republican's positions. You'd be crying about democracy and how votes matter. You do realize that using "we're a republic" is totally at odds with your individualistic supposedly freedom oriented position? People should be able to control their lives, up until they disagree with you?
Typical.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @04:05PM
He Lost by 74 electors! Get over it!
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Friday December 11 2020, @04:21PM (5 children)
Rural populations already have disproportionate power in the federal government: The US Senate.
California has 2 Senators and a population of about 40,000,000, so each represents about 20,000,000 people.
Wyoming has 2 Senators and a population of about 580,000, so each represents about 290,000 people. That's an almost 70x difference.
This also directly influences the Electoral College, as each state gets EC votes equal to the number of Reps and Senators. CA gets 55 EC votes, or one vote for every 727,273 voters. WY get 3 votes, or one for every 193,333 voters. WY state voter's power in the EC equals that of 3.75 CA state voter's.
So what exactly is so special about a WY voter that makes their vote more important than that of a CA voter? Why do you insist upon CA voters continuing to be disenfranchised?
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 0, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @06:22PM (1 child)
The solution is clear. 99% of California residents must be exterminated, to bring the population down to acceptable levels of representation.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @08:32PM
Alternatively, we could divide each Wyoming resident into 3.75 pieces, so the representation would be equal. With Wyomingites, it would be hard to tell any difference.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday December 11 2020, @08:02PM (2 children)
How many votes per acre is that?
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @10:51PM
California:
17495826 votes / 99.7 million acres = 0.1755 votes per acre
Wyoming:
278503 votes / 62.14 million acres = 0.004482 votes per acre
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 13 2020, @08:33PM
Unless you meant EC votes;
California:
55 votes / 99.7 million acres = 5.51654964895e-07 votes per acre (1,812,727 acres per vote)
Wyoming:
3 votes / 62.14 million acres = 4.82780817509e-08 votes per acre (20,713,333 acres per vote)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @12:07AM (3 children)
Once again, proven beyond a reasonable doubt, Runaway cain't do no math! That there's why he got busted for his logs when he drove truck. Didn't mean to lie, it just didn't add up, because he couldn't.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @12:52AM (2 children)
Word is that Runaway discovered loose-leaf logs early in his career. No logbooks. Make the math work, quickly and simply. But, I'm sure that's over your head, Ari.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @08:21AM (1 child)
'Mazing! Like to 85% of the time, I can get them to think I are Ari! Ha! Don't even know who Ari is! Who is this "Ari" of whom you speak?
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @09:01AM
I get that too. I checked my post history and it only occurs when I use an exclamation mark. It appears a number of people think he has some sort of monopoly on that particular punctuation or sentence construction.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @12:29AM
Funny how liberals accepted at least two election results where they won the popular vote and where GOP voter disenfranchisement was real. Sorta like one group of people believe in the rule of law whether it conforms to their liking while another group acts like a bunch of spoiled children when they don't get their way. Just a thought.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @01:26AM (17 children)
For someone on 'neither side', you seem rather invested in the conspiracy that Biden stole the election.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday December 11 2020, @03:06AM (15 children)
Where there's smoke, there's fire, I've heard. There are too many instances where funny shit happened, and I have zero faith in the election machines. I want to see the computer forensic experts turned loose on the voting machines, but I guess that's not going to happen. They could answer pretty definitively that there was hacking going on, or there was no hacking going on. The physical ballot forensics is out of the question - those ballots with no signature, those with late postmarks, etc can never be checked at this late date.
Transparent? I thought Dems were all about transparency, except when said transparency might have negative results for their agenda.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @03:17AM (11 children)
Please. If the experts didn't find anything, you'd just move the posts again. Either they were in on the conspiracy too, or they checked the machines after they were wiped, or the hack was so good it is completely undetectable, or whatever crazy excuse the paranoia machine comes up with.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Friday December 11 2020, @03:21AM (9 children)
Cofucious say 'Do not mess with the guy who moves the goalposts, he may rap you on the head with one of the posts.'
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday December 11 2020, @04:28PM (8 children)
Is that like swearing up and down you have piles of evidence of fraud then when you get in front of the judge claiming the fraud is undetectable?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @08:06PM (6 children)
Their "evidence" is every bit as good as your Russiagator bullshit. And no less entertaining.
So hey, what's up with Hunter? Will he slide like Don Jr.?
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @08:47PM
It's up to President Harris to decide that.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @11:04PM (4 children)
Funny how the Russian collusion angle has real evidence you can find in the Mueller report, and that is with the investigation being specifically forbidden from investigating the POTUS and with Barr deliberately lying about the report's contents. Hint: Mueller specifically said the report does not exonerate Trump. But again, here I am explaining reality to a crazy person.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 13 2020, @06:37PM (3 children)
No, there was no evidence, no recordings, no receipts, no pictures, nothing but pure hearsay from gossipy bureaucrats, including the very same James Clapper that lied about the NSA's ubiquitous spying, and there's the intelligence agencies that lied us into war in Afghanistan/Iraq. Your Russiagate is pure bullshit, but by all means, continue your insane blame passing... talking to a crazy person indeed!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 14 2020, @08:18AM (2 children)
You should actually read the report instead of parroting what some internet trolls tell you to believe.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 16 2020, @03:22AM (1 child)
I did, there is no evidence, only gossip.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 16 2020, @06:43AM
Clearly you did not.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 13 2020, @03:57AM
Maybe they would have better luck if they hired real experts. [washingtonpost.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @05:12AM
Don't worry. Trump will be considered part of the Deep State in a few more months. Loony right conspiracy theories are a moving target.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @04:43PM (1 child)
It's amazing that Runaway thinks the Democrats are too dumb for anything and yet they can rig an election and leave no evidence of that rigging. Actually it's amazing that Runaway thinks.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @10:53PM
Fascism depends on an enemy that is simultaneously strong and weak.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Sunday December 13 2020, @07:05PM
Who could it possibly be? Russia??
Wow.. You really gotta stop reading the gossip rags!
Who cares what goes on between republicans and democrats? It's the independents that got fucked. And McConnell's reelection looks mighty suspicious, would explain his happy confident demeanor throughout the campaign
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday December 11 2020, @04:14PM
Remember when Sleepy Joe was suffering from dementia and mental decline, like, a months ago?
That's quite a feat for a mental retard, a massive "undetectable" conspiracy that defrauded the elections in several states...
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Friday December 11 2020, @03:21AM
You're supposed to drag out some whacked out looking woman who is clearly inebriated:
"Some of them, see, are dead BUUUUUT!, some of them WILL be dead at SOME FUTURE POINT, so their votes shouldn't count, see? Amirite? Guiliannibaby, you see? And some of them are cats who are both dead AND alive! I signed my name to something that said that-- i got a book by Angleberb Humperdinger that talks about that and i signed my name on it and then never returned it to the libary, you see? I signed my name to it and that means i could go to jail...... Did you?"
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---