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Linux user. Tries to keep feeding the brain with stuff. Husband and father of a young lady and a younger son who has autism/is autistic... that nut didn't fall far from this nut-tree, I'll tell ya: he gets it honestly. Now if only he'd sleep..............
I believe that God gave us the science, curiousity and intelligence to one day conclusively prove that God does not exist.
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Thursday March 02, 23
05:53 PM
Let's ban 'Drag shows', etc to protect the children:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/02/politics/tennessee-ban-drag-show-performances-governor/index.html
But Dog forbid we ban guns to protect the children:
https://www.wkrn.com/news/local-news/nashville/sad-angry-4-year-old-dead-in-preventable-shooting/
https://abcnews.go.com/US/multiple-people-shoot-tennessee-police/story?id=85048571
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/boy-shot-memphis-tennessee-school-juvenile-detained-n1280482
https://wreg.com/news/local/two-children-shot-in-downtown-memphis-suspect-wanted/
Guns don't kill people, people kill people
Drag shows don't turn people gay: Gay people come out as gay?
Fair play, Tennessee....what are you scared of?
Why ban guns when you can protect the children better...
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(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02, @06:15PM (6 children)
Just don't allow children at drag shows. Is that difficult for you?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02, @06:18PM
Say goodnight, Runaway!
(Score: 3, Touché) by turgid on Thursday March 02, @07:14PM (3 children)
Don't allow children to walk in front of guns.
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02, @09:57PM (2 children)
Judging from your deflection, it is difficult for you.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 03, @05:07AM
Judging from your stupidity you should be a cop!
(Score: 2) by turgid on Friday March 03, @07:14AM
Whoosh.
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 03, @08:19PM
The NHRA would like a word with you.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02, @07:12PM (69 children)
From the CNN article: [cnn.com]
It has become almost cliche now but it appears that those who screech loudest about LGBTQ issues are typically hiding in the closet, so to speak.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Thursday March 02, @07:26PM
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 2, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Thursday March 02, @07:41PM (44 children)
Let us be clear here: Bringing children to sexually oriented events is a pedo issue. Don't try to equate the pedos with transvestites, gays, lesbians, etc. If you're going that route, then it becomes LGBTQPedo.
I haven't forgotten that the LGBTQs welcomed NAMBLA on stage years ago. The greater queer community only disowned NAMBLA after the FBI made a number of high profile arrests of NAMBLE officials.
https://www.nambla.org/Thorstad.html [nambla.org]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWPPyogWfoc [youtube.com]
And, NAMBLA isn't really gone. Now they rally under the B4UAct flag, where they seek an alternative route to general acceptance.
https://www.b4uact.org [b4uact.org]
Now, instead of "Boys and men have a right to love each other" it's more "Yeah, I like little boys, but it's a sickness, and I'm being treated, and really it's safe to let your children play with me!"
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 03, @05:10AM
You are a total idiot, complete and utter. Go to a drag show and record the sexually oriented events, then post your findings. With video evidence, we all know you'd skip and pretend it was a satanic ritual.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by janrinok on Friday March 03, @08:21AM (28 children)
If you are so concerned - Don't take your kids to a drag show. The one event that you publicised on here happened to be raising money for children's charities. But you didn't research the event that far did you, or did you simply choose to ignore that bit?
However, for everybody else, why can't they make their own decisions? Why do they need people like you to insist that laws are introduced? Is it because you yourself might weaken or accidentally enter such an establishment, mistakenly taking one or more of your children with you? Why does it need right-wing Christian fundamentalists to demand a law to cover a non-issue? The USA is NOT a Christian country. Land of the free indeed!
You probably have never heard of imgur,com. But recently they have been covering the prosecutions of paedophiles in the US. There has been a series of many recent examples where members of the Christian church or other leading members of society have been found guilty of assaulting and sexually abusing children. They are published under the title "Not a Drag Queen [imgur.com]" because, well, none of them are. Now you should produce similar figures where drag artists have been such prolific offenders to prove your point. You know what? You can't.
And isn't it is now time for you to move the goalposts like you have done in numerous other arguments where you are proven wrong by many of the comments.
Just butt out of other people's lives.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 03, @12:19PM (27 children)
Oh - so - what you seem to be saying is, "Since Catholic priests abuse children then abusing children is alright." Or something similar.
If you can cite an instance in which Jesus Christ says it's alright to diddle little kids, I'll still be opposed to all of this cultural revolution that sexualizes children.
Goal posts, huh? Leave the kids at home, or find some better venue for their entertainment.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Friday March 03, @12:21PM (22 children)
Prove that drag artists pose a sexual risk to children. You make the claim - prove it!
(Score: 1, Disagree) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 03, @12:27PM (21 children)
I don't need to prove it. You apparently want to drag your children along to sexually charged events. Train up a child in the way he should go.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by janrinok on Friday March 03, @12:39PM (20 children)
You made the claim - You prove it!
I have provided details of over 40 recent sexual abuse cases. It is your turn now.
How do you know that they are "sexually charged"? What was sexually charged about the last one you personally witnessed? If you are going to use a video as your 'proof', provide a completely unedited video where what people say can actually be heard. If you are merely frightened by what people wear then stay indoors.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 03, @02:00PM (19 children)
There isn't just one video jan - there are hundreds. I linked to one. You're going to pretend that there is only the one? Logic fail.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Friday March 03, @02:13PM (18 children)
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 03, @02:29PM (17 children)
Your googlefu is failing you? But, I can't meet your criteria. You pretend that a drag queen show is not inherently sexual. It's all about gender, sexuality, and sex, but you're pretending that it is not.
To meet your criteria, I would have to find an event that degenerated into one or more predators actually humping the children in attendance. Such a video would definitely run afoul of US and international laws regarding child pornography. Surely, you wouldn't want me to post such a link to this site, if I could find it?
If you're that interested, I'll suggest that you install I2P and start browsing the darker sides of the web.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Friday March 03, @03:11PM (15 children)
I know! You never could. This is all created by rumour and innuendo and it has no evidence to support it.
No, that is not what I asked for. I asked for something that shows material of a sexual nature even being mentioned in the presence of children. But you said that there were "hundreds of videos", then criticised me for having no google-foo. But now you cannot even produce one such video. Send a link to me by email if you are that concerned.
And just to reinforce the point that your argument is entirely without merit, you are quite prepared to accept that various members of different churches are conducting sexual assaults against children (I provided a short list of around 40 recent examples) but in the case of drag artists you cannot provide any evidence at all to support your claim. And with no evidence to support it, you still want to see the introduction of a special law just to cover them. Why can't the same law that applies to priests and pastors and everyone else equally be applied to drag artists? We know that it doesn't deter them, but that means the law needs rewriting, not a special law creating for each edge case that you seem to fear for some reason.
I can find my way around I2P and the darkweb quite comfortably thank you.
Why is it so important that you control other people's lives? You live yours how you wish. Let them live theirs how they wish.
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 03, @03:36PM (11 children)
Try to wrap your mind around this fact: I have never told you, or anyone of legal age, that they should not attend a drag queen show. My position is, you don't drag children to strip joints, and you don't take children to drag queen shows. Both are off limits for children.
If you're a drag queen, jan, fine. Do your thing, among other adults who want to see your thing. Children are out of the question. Some dude shaking his ass at little children is just sick. A woman doing the same thing would be equally sick. When the children are sexually mature, and reach the age of maturity, THEN you can do an exhibition routine for them. If they stay around to watch, that's their business.
Keep the kids out of the equation. Inviting kids to watch you perform a seductive act is called 'child grooming'.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Friday March 03, @03:49PM (10 children)
I am not, nor ever have been, a drag queen, just for the record - but it was a nice oblique suggestion that you planted.
Children seeing a drag queen is not grooming - except in your mind. Drag artists are common in pantomime, on TV, in comedy shows etc none of which contain "seductive acts", whatever that may be. You haven't provided a scintilla of evidence that such acts have been displayed in front of children. Let other parents decide what is suitable for their children. It isn't up to you what other people decide. They are not breaking any laws (yet!).
We have discussed elsewhere that puberty can begin as early as 8 years old.
Nobody is telling you how to bring up your children - just stop telling others how they should bring up theirs.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 03, @07:44PM (9 children)
The first part of that statement is false. The Department of Education is actively pushing all the cultural revolution bullshit at children in this country. The second part of that statement would deny me my First Amendment rights. I have every right to tell people that I think they are rearing their children irresponsibly.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 04, @04:43AM (1 child)
Oh look, the SN domestic terrorist is attacking education! Sorry facts trigger you?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 04, @06:00PM
The fact that the education department puts feelz before factz does kinda trigger me.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday March 04, @06:31AM (6 children)
Just as we have every right to tell you that you appear to be a gun-loving, racist homophobe who wants to control how other people run their lives. We believe this because so many posts that you make in journals seems to be on one or more of these topics of discussion.
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Saturday March 04, @05:58PM (5 children)
😁
We're down to the name calling.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 04, @08:43PM
I dunno, this:
seems like a fairly objective and fair description of Runaway1956. He is also an ammosexual and ignorant moron. He's in the same league as Matt Schlapp and Josh Duggar. Not to mention grate fan of the "Little Miss Sunshine" pageants.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday March 04, @10:38PM
I appears that this is what you are frightened of. Probably more of a man than you imagined, but make sure that you have the sound on so you understand what he is doing:
https://imgur.com/gallery/PnBYVhw [imgur.com]
If that is too much 'sexual innuendo' I will try to find some less offensive for you.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday March 04, @10:41PM (2 children)
Saying that people are 'irresponsible' for raising their children to accept race, gender, or the way people dress as non-issues is also name calling.
When children are born they do not hate anyone or anything. They learn that most of all from their parents.
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Saturday March 04, @11:28PM (1 child)
Race is one thing - and no one should be prejudiced against another person based on race.
Gender? Which "genders" do you speak of? I know two genders, and then there are gender benders. The way people dress? Oh, give that one a break. Drag queens are playing dress-up for reasons that include psychological issues, money making, and . . . whatever else. I don't think that drag queens dress like that all the time, or they would be called transvestites.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 05, @12:04AM
Show us on the dolly where the big manly dress hurt you!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 13, @12:00AM (2 children)
https://reduxx.info/context-viral-photo-shows-argentinian-performer-with-5-year-old-surrogate-son/ [reduxx.info]
And the AP unconvincing fact check
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-argentinian-performer-son-photo-536988867152 [apnews.com]
Pedos are well known to groom their victims.
If drag shows weren't influencing young viewers, the LGBT and pedo movements would not bother getting in the radar of parents for them. It appears you haven't approached the subject with the right mindset.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday March 13, @06:25AM
True - but why do you make such a statement about paedophiles? Have you established a link between any of those reading the stories and paedophilia? Have you given your evidence to the police? If not, why not?
If I have understood your post correctly, you have produced 'evidence' of a single event in Argentina and are using it to condemn all drag artists. I produced evidence of over 40 members of the Christian church who have been convicted of sexual abuse of children - not simply one person who has photographed which does not, according to your second link, represent what was he was initially accused of.
Using your logic all American men are both homosexual and murderers. I'm certain that isn't true, but if I produce a claim (even if not proven) that suggests at least one exists then it should apply to all of the others too.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 13, @09:18AM
Unconvincing? A single photo taken from a larger video presented out of context in a way that appears bad happens all the time! But I guess if the "right mindset" is that you dismiss all evidence to the contrary, it would be.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 03, @08:02PM
Links or it didn't happen.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Friday March 03, @12:33PM (2 children)
When you propose a law that prevents children being taken to church then I will understand your argument. If you are only prepared to introduce laws that protect children who in your imagination are facing an unproven threat rather than those who are facing a very clear threat then you are building your argument on shifting sands.
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 03, @02:01PM (1 child)
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 03, @06:30PM
This ^ is the problem with religious bigots. Just the suggestion that children should be protected from clergy is what runaway considers a damning statement. Hilarious how the US was founded on religious freedom but turned into something closer to Saudi Arabia. Until recently the details of US genocide and racial oppression was not well known or considered past history.
The land of the free, home of the brave, deserves better.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 10, @03:48PM
He most certainly did. Repeatedly. And there's video of him buggering young boys too.
God (no pun intended) I love deep fakes!
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday March 03, @04:10PM (5 children)
It is interesting how many people take their kids to Mardi Gras.
Some gay people were born that way, or at least discovered that they were that way. Other gay people got sucked into it somehow.
How often should I have my memory checked? I used to know but...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 03, @06:33PM (1 child)
"Other gay people got sucked into it somehow."
Nice double entendre ;)
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 03, @07:40PM (2 children)
https://www.themanual.com/culture/history-of-madi-gras/ [themanual.com]
There is much, much more to Mardi Gras than a bunch of hedonists prancing around, drunk and mostly naked. Do you have any statistics regarding juveniles engaging in debauchery during Mardi Gras?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 04, @04:45AM
Asking others for proof while you engage in baseless accusations? You must be a rethugnican!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 10, @03:52PM
Yeah, something about an imaginary sky daddy, Some folks need a reason. And for a fraction of those, Mardi Gras is that reason.
Show us your tits!
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Friday March 03, @08:16PM (7 children)
Then your memory is throwing CRC errors, as the LGBTQ+ community has NEVER welcomed pedos. The pedo groups have been attempting to *join* the LGBTQ+ community, but they aren't being accepted at all.
Give it up, man. All you're proving is how bigoted you are. You have no proof that drag queens are any more dangerous to children than the overall populace, yet you cling to your shitty beliefs.
Good day, sir.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 03, @10:02PM (3 children)
That is bullshit, cmdrklarg. The LGBT community was divided, at best. High ranking people in the queer movement literally welcomed NAMBLA officials on stage, for photo sessions. As I've already said, LGBT only divorced themselves from NAMBLA after a bunch of high profile arrests by the FBI.
https://gaycenter.org/archive_item/records-of-the-national-march-on-washington-for-lesbian-and-gay-rights/ [gaycenter.org]
Scroll down, to find NAMBLA's place in the events - they weren't exactly front and center, but they were in "box 9", officially sanctioned by the gay movement. Read what David Thorstad has to say on the subject, keeping in mind that Thorstad was officially sanctioned by the gay rights movement - https://archive.org/stream/ManboyLoveAndTheAmericanGayMovement/Man_boy_love_and_the_American_Gay_Movement_2_djvu.txt [archive.org]
Interesting reading here, I just happened to stumble over it https://leoaffairs.com/no-pedo-bashing-columbia-antifa-group-caught-camera-openly-endorsing-pedophaelia/ [leoaffairs.com]
A somewhat different perspective here https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/the-lgb-movement-was-infiltrated-by-nambla/ [forbiddenknowledgetv.net]
Call it "infiltration" or whatever, LGBT cannot seem to distance themselves very far away from the pedos.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 06, @04:58PM (2 children)
Giving you a huge benefit of the doubt with your sources, you do realize Christian churches are massively larger perpetrators? Doesn't fit your culture war bullshit though. Keep living in hate, hurts you more than anyone else.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 06, @07:30PM (1 child)
So it's alright for some of the gays to diddle a few boys as long as the church diddles a lot more?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 08, @04:48PM
Nope, but people like youself should keep your faux outrage in your pants if you can't even focus that outrage on the biggest offenders. Hypocrite bigot thyself!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 04, @01:30AM (2 children)
That is the argument used to damn right-wingers with regards to racists. Is not turnabout fair play?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 04, @04:48AM (1 child)
"Is not turnabout fair play?"
It is not when Republican leaders are openly racist, and also pedos. Supporting racist legislation at least makes you an ignint dumdum or a racist jerk.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 05, @04:48AM
And supporting pedophiles makes you a pedophile supporter.
(Score: 3, Informative) by The Vocal Minority on Saturday March 04, @08:24AM (22 children)
You (and CNN) are playing an equivocation game here around the meaning of the word "drag". You are taking "drag" to mean dressing up in cloths of the opposite sex - this does not appear to be what the bill is targeting - at least from what I can make out from the article. The other meaning of "drag", as in "drag show", is a performance which plays, in a subversive manner, with the audience's perceptions of sex roles and sexuality.
The former is a normal, healthy, maybe even necessary, part of childhood. The latter likely less so.
I think this is probably a response to the drag queen story time events that I have seen promoted around here and, from my understanding, are being held in other places as well. They didn't last long here, I suspect that because our laws are somewhat less liberal than America's the people promoting those events were getting a visit from Mr Plod. As much as I personally do not like the idea of heavy handed government bans, drag queen story time also creeps me the fuck out....
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 04, @05:26PM (19 children)
Would a woman in a men's business suit creep you out the same way? Making such sweeping judgments without actual experiential lnowledge is a bad move.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 04, @08:49PM
It's the shoulder pads! Eeeekkk! Creepy! Now other "augmentation" is not as bad, but still creepy. It's "The Crying Game" [imdb.com].
(Score: 2) by The Vocal Minority on Sunday March 05, @05:36AM (17 children)
And you have done exactly what I was criticising the op for. I'm am creeped out by what has, until recently, been something that was considered explicitly adult entertainment being done with young children. I don't give a crap about what cloths anyone dresses up in. I wasn't even saying I was right to feel this way and hinted that I was a little conflicted about the whole thing. And yet, instead of having an honest conversation about it, you chose to go with producing more propaganda and bullshit. Why not have another go (as I'm pretty sure you will, but I don't expect anything much better)?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 05, @07:04AM (16 children)
Friends invited me to a drag show decades ago. I had a similar idea as you that it would be highly sexual, but surprise it was about song and dance by men wearing dresses. Your ignorant bias should not be used as the basis for authoritarian legislation.
Personally I think indoctrinating children into religious cults is a much bigger crime, and I'm sure you're tired of hearing it but religious leaders and families have the most grooming and pedophilia. Something about making sex a taboo leads to worse outcomes, wonder when humanity will learn prohibition is rarely a good solution.
(Score: 2) by The Vocal Minority on Sunday March 05, @11:36AM (15 children)
Well this is an improvement, but you should probably also work on not talking down to people or straw-manning them. My view on religion is very different from what you assume - but I'm not going to go into that here as it would just be a distraction.
Yes, my perceptions of drag shows have come largely from American movies and popular culture so I may have a somewhat biased view of them (in fact I almost certainly do because in general escaping from ones ignorance and self deception is very difficult, if not ultimately impossible in anything other than aspiration - but I wasn't going to talk about religions was I). I find it very hard to see how calling yourself "lil miss hot mess" isn't sexual however:
http://doi.org/10.1080/03626784.2020.1864621 [doi.org]
The paper is really worth reading to see exactly where this is coming from, at least as far as some of those involved are concerned.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by janrinok on Sunday March 05, @12:26PM (4 children)
Thank you for the link - as you said it was in interesting read.
My observation is the fact that individual choice is threatened by a minority who believe that all such activities should be made illegal. Nobody is currently forcing everyone to take their children to such establishments and it is a matter for a child's parents to decide. If what is happening is breaking any current laws then I would have expected there to have been arrests made and cases appearing in court. I am not seeing such things. I may not choose to bring my children up in a specific way but that does not permit me to dictate to others that they shouldn't do anything that I wouldn't do.
If however the parents, by virtue of their choice regarding how to raise their children, are causing some form of abuse then there are already sufficient laws in place to punish them. There is no need to create a very broad-brush law to penalise the drag community specifically and in my view unfairly. I suspect this is being driven by the same minority who want the Christian church to be enforced as the American religion, or who are banning books and other material that mentions historical facts that might be the shameful parts of western history, or who want to remove the freedom from women to choose what to do with their own body. The harm should be proven first in court and changes to the law, if justified, introduced if necessary.
It seems to me that freedoms are being restricted in many different areas without justification, and as a consequence it is causing deep divisions in the US population as a whole. The USA uses the term Land of the Free to describe itself yet it is becoming less free with each passing day.
My argument against one specific vocal person in this discussion is that his arguments are hypocritical and inconsistent. He makes claims that he cannot back up with facts and he most certainly does want to see enforcement of what he views as being unacceptable behaviour upon people who have a completely different viewpoint to his own. He is entitled to his own opinions and I will defend his right to express them here, but he does not have the right to dictate how other people live their lives. His cries of "think of the children" fall very flat when it comes to protecting them from being shot at school before the lives have really begun.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Vocal Minority on Thursday March 09, @11:24AM (3 children)
No problem, I'm glad that you found it interesting. And thank you for expressing your thoughts on this, that was very helpful for me and worthy of further comment.
Yes, I agree with you that people should be able to bring up their children in the way they see fit, as much as is possible. And this is consistent with my very liberal views on most other things as well. However, there are things that most modern states do ban that seem to be reasonable to me these days. For instance, if someone’s idea of raising their children includes having sex with them and making them available for sex with their friends, then I am kind of OK with this being prevented by a state - even to the extent of engagement in this sort of behaviour being punished by imprisonment.
Now, I don't know the detail of the laws being proposed in this case, or the legislative environment in which they exist. I only know what I have read in the linked article, so I can’t really make a case for or against them. However I do think there are potential issues here they may justify government intervention. One question is, how much protection do children really need from adult sexual activity? I think pornography could be an issue with children, not least because of the objectification inherent in the art-form (and I can’t believe I’m being critical of porn in this way – I’ll just say that there is nothing wrong with a good bit of objectification now and again!), similarly things like sex shows and prostitution are probably not appropriate for children. On the other hand, I do think a lot of cultures do not have a healthy relationship with sexuality, and the way children are raised in this respect could be improved e.g. adults being a little more “matter of fact” about sex. Also, as per the argument with our esteemed AC, how sexual are drag shows anyway?
What does look very questionable to me, however, is the use of drag to deliberately disrupt identity formation in young children by people with a marxian ideological motivation. My understanding of drag shows is that they play with boundaries – male/female, gender roles, mainstream/kitsch, fetish/straight – which does seem like something that children should have limited exposure to before they have developed a stable identity. I could see this leading to psychological problems in later life – and if there is an problem with drag queen story hour, or children going to drag shows, I would say this is where is will be. Is this something that laws need to be made to prevent? I don’t know, but it is not unreasonable to consider it. Perhaps an analogy, given this is a public health issue, might be COVID vaccine mandates – because let’s face it, having a large cohort of psychologically damaged children would be everyone's problem. Given that I am against forcing people to have vaccines (without sufficient justification) I should similarly be against banning drag queen story hour – and I am! I still think people should be vaccinated, and I also think that if you are taking your children to drag queen story hour you’re nuts.
All of that being said, if these sorts of programs are instituted in public schools, which I think are more prevalent in our countries, then there is much less choice for parents as to whether their children participate in them or not. I would be OK with banning them in these settings.
I do think there is a danger, of which your concerns to are a timely remind to me, that these legitimate concerns might be hijacked by authoritarians to restrict sexual freedoms. That is why the detail of the laws are important, and the threat of overreach carefully considered.
What I do disagree with you about is that the current move in the west (not just the US) towards authoritarianism is being driven by religious conservatives. This may have been the case 5 or 10 years ago (COPPA springs to mind) but in the last few years it seems to be Marxist flavoured busybodies driving this particular race to the bottom – banning books, instituting reeducation (“diversity”) training and, in a least one case, legislating compelled speech.
Lastly I don’t have any issue with your arguing with Runaway – and I agree he often makes bad arguments for the positions he is espousing. My main reason for commenting was that the original article contained a degree of bullshit, in the technical sense (I’ll re-post my journal entry on bullshit when I have the time – the original was eaten when the DB got hosed), and there was a lot of bad faith posting capitalising on this, which I found a little annoying.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Thursday March 09, @01:45PM
Thank you for your well reasoned response. I have found it thought provoking and have moderated it accordingly.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 10, @10:08PM (1 child)
Even using a term like "marxian ideological motivation" identifies you as a wacko. At least you weren't quite on the talking point of "cultural Marxism". No wonder you get condescended to so often! Did you ever think that the problem is not the condescension, but the reasons for it? (And yes, before you get your right-wing minority panties all in bunch, I am aware that you are only using the lingo in order to say you disagree. However, even using the lingo is normalizing fascist talk, and partially agreeing with the censorship agenda.)
(Score: 2) by The Vocal Minority on Saturday March 11, @12:45PM
Frankfurt School scholar Eric Fromm uses the term "Marxian" in To Have And To Be, to refer to his own work. He has fallen out of favor with current day theorists but that book is well worth your reading.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 06, @05:05PM (9 children)
When you make a sweeping generalization on a topic where fascists are trying to oppress people you should be prepared for some condescension. I see you have your preconceptions and will focus on sexualizing drag shows. I recommend you consider how feminine men equates to sex in western societies and what that says about our cultural norms. Ties right back to Abrahamic religious misogyny fyi.
Get condescended biatch! Ok that was immature, but I also tire of reverse condescension where you simply restate your opinion after venting about mistreatment. Poor victim can't spread bigotry in peace!
(Score: 2) by The Vocal Minority on Thursday March 09, @12:13PM (8 children)
No, I don't particularly care what any AC thinks of me - and I'm not weaponizing offense to try to shut down debate. I'm not one of those sorts of people.
I'm talking about promoting authentic dialogue and minimising bullshit. Or do you think that abusing people and attempting to manipulate them will create better world?
We all have our preconceptions. I provided some evidence to support mine, which you complete ignored.
Thanks, I've considered it and don't think it's very credible. You seem to have made a "sweeping generalization" and then tried to tie it back to some sort of neo-marxist critique of western civilization. Try to make a better argument than this sort of hand-waving.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 12, @03:01AM (7 children)
Look, I'm a lefty who believes in universal healthcare, education and public transport and closing tax loopholes that disproportionately benefit the oligarchy, fighting climate change and not shilling for warmongers like Putin.
But I don't really understand 21st century Marxists. These are the guys that deny that Communism/Socialism whatever you want to call it leads a corrupt centralized one party state. i.e. the Trotskyists that hang around university libraries and tell you that one true socialism was corrupted by Stalin. (I had a colleague who was once a big fan of Hugo in Venezuela, and that turned to shit)
Stuff Marx - maybe it is time for a 21st century reexamination of Bakunin's Anarchism. Reading Orwell's Anarcho-Syndicalist adventures in Barcelona sounded dreamy, until it collapsed, of course.
If we can all agree that sham representative democracy has been gerrymandered by a 2-party system controlled by lobbyists and whoever's turn it is to sit in the big chair that benefits not us proles while feeding military-industrial complex re: the war with Eastasia.
(Score: 2) by The Vocal Minority on Sunday March 12, @12:31PM (6 children)
I don't identify as being any sort of "ism" as such, but I don't have too much disagreement with what you have said. I actually live in a country with good public healthcare and reasonable public education and overall it's pretty good. Not prefect, but pretty good. It does seem that you do need to have a strong private sector as well to fill in the gaps that the government run institutions do not cover (and the interface between the public and private sectors can be the source of some not-so-good dynamics). There is not so extreme a "two party" system here either (I assume you are American?) - although corruption can always emerge and there have been two specific instances in my lifetime where the powerful political parties have pull some questionable moves to block smaller players gaining power.
Yeah, I've actually had the "Communism is great it just has never been done right" conversation IRL recently. And the comeback to my criticisms was "well capitalism is not much better" - and it is a good point that a lot of people have suffered under free market systems. Arguably this has not been a result of free markets as such but I did not want to play the inverse of the Never A True Communist fallacy. Thinking about it now I should have said "yes, neither communism or free markets are the answer, let's try to come up with something better".
I don't know a lot about Bakunin, but I am willing to consider anything. I am wary however, as I think in a lot of cases Anarchism is pretty close to Communism (isn't it the case that they were considered to be the same up to a certain point in history)?
I do believe, more and more, that there are underlying religious, or perhaps spiritual would be a better word, considerations that need to be accounted for when building any sort of commune or organisation centered on social change. Ritual and Religious practices (a such as meditation and prayer) need to be invented/reinvented for these to be successful in promoting human thriving.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Sunday March 12, @02:41PM (5 children)
The best form of government is 'Benevolent Dictator'; the problem is, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
I've been thinking that is should be 'Benevolent Dictator with established guidelines and recall ability', or something.
Dictator has absolute control over the country and it's resources, but has to pronounce and have written down what he (she/it) wants to do.
"I want to increase the amount spent on our defensive military, and increase the spending on infrastructure of our cities." and then if a 'team' of citizens decides that the spending was going to the wrong areas (pork, offensive military, cronyism instead of infrastructure), the dictator can be recalled.
This way, he can get things done like a dictator (Democracies are always 2 years behind a Dictatorship. --Winston Churchill), but has some checks and balances against him.
How to vote in the dictator, i have not thought about yet.
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 2) by The Vocal Minority on Monday March 13, @02:13PM (4 children)
I disagree with a Benevolent Dictator being the answer - in very visceral, immediate and absolute way (and therefore possibly in an unexamined way).
If dictatorships were better than liberal democracies, then they would be the governments of the wealthiest, most powerful countries in the world with the most happy populations, whereas the exact opposite appears to be true. This is true even though these countries, to a greater or lesser extent, to not live up to their ideals of democracy and freedom - because of things like manipulation of the systems of government by powerful groups and individuals, as already discussed.
I can think of two problems with dictatorships off the top of my head. One is a more general case of the problem of corruption which you have already mentioned. One person is not only easily corrupted but they are limited in other ways as well - it is impossible for one person to understand the complexities of the modern world and the challenges that this represents . They are also prone to foolishness and self deception (as we all are). I think this is one of the reasons Putin failed, or at least seems to be failing, in Ukraine - he drunk his own Kool-aid and believed the west was too weak to stand up to him, and not realising that his own armed forces were less effective than he imagined. As an aside, and not to take away from the defenders of Ukraine and the human tragedy there, but I am glad that Putin failed. I was worried that the universal surveillance and manipulation afforded by the internet and social media meant that dictatorships where going to be more successful than democracies in the future - at least in the great game of international politics.
The second is that, in (functioning) democracies, the democratic system itself is more powerful than any one individual. This means that, even if there are powerful figures like presidents, they cannot subvert the system itself to do whatever they want. A dictator can change the system at will - so whatever systems you but in place to restrain them, like your team of citizens, can be subverted. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding exactly what you mean by "benevolent dictator", but that is how I see it.
I actually think that he opposite is true - we need more collective thought and decision making. The power of markets, and I would claim religions as well, is that they enable collective decision making. The problem with them is that the decision making is not conscious, leading to poor outcomes like race to the bottom dynamics and environmental destruction. A more conscious form of collective decision making is needed! I'm not sure what form that ultimately takes - but I think it does start here with these kinds of conversations.
Possibly we do still need some sort of symbolic equivalent of the benevolent dictator, like the royal family in the UK or something, just for psychological reasons. I might be convinced of that. But they should not have any real power.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Monday March 13, @09:35PM (3 children)
Yeah, by 'benevolent dictator', i mean "someone fairly trustworthy, who is working for the general benefit of 'the people.'".
Yeah, i know. But basically, not a politician. ;)
Find someone fairly trustworthy and get people to follow them around and make sure they don't do anything shady. Maybe I'm dreaming, lol.
But a single person can accomplish things a 'Democracy' can't, quickly. As Churchill said, a Democracy is always two years behind a Dictatorship, because decisions are immediate in a Dictatorship. A Democracy takes FOREVER to do anything, usually.
Is a benevolent dictator possible to find? :/
Still, a good idea. I think I'd do a fairly good job, but.....
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 2) by The Vocal Minority on Saturday March 18, @06:21AM (2 children)
I had intended to reply earlier, but was a little too busy during the week - Sorry! You have given me some interesting thoughts - I do think there are problems with my approach around decision making and responsibility, but I feel they should be solvable (even if that means the decision, and responsibility, defaults to a particular person in some circumstances - probably some sort of explicit hierarchy/hierarchies would still be needed, but no absolute dictators).
A couple of questions though:
1. Do you think that you have direct access to some sort of "ultimate reality"/things as they are?
2. Would it bother you if I expanded this conversation into a blog post of my own at some time (not making any promises though - depends if I have the time)? It has been very worthwhile, and I think there is much more we could discuss here.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday March 18, @10:34AM (1 child)
1. Don't understand question
2. Go right ahead! :)
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(Score: 2) by The Vocal Minority on Sunday March 19, @01:10PM
I was just wondering if our differences of opinion were the result of a deeper difference in how we viewed the world, because I don't believe I have a direct access to the underlying "reality" of existence. A conversation for another time perhaps.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 05, @05:03AM (1 child)
So the line is what creeps you the fuck out. In that case, please list all the other things that creep you the fuck out so that we may all be duly warned.
(Score: 2) by The Vocal Minority on Sunday March 05, @11:16AM
It took me a while to figure out what this "line" is you are talking about. I don't believe that laws should be made based upon my feelings if that is what you are implying.
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Thursday March 02, @07:25PM (114 children)
It has been demonstrated that gun bans, gun free zones, and gun laws in general don't work. Criminals still get their guns, and commit heinous crimes with them. The only thing that prevents a bad guy with a gun from wreaking havoc, is a good guy with a gun. In fact, the most conservative estimates, touted by gun control people, say that 1/2 million crimes are prevented every year by a good guy with a gun. That is, just common civilians, like you and me. More realistic studies put that number well over 2 million times each year, some estimates run over 3 million. Time and time again, the bad guy runs away when he knows that the victim has a gun. And, when he doesn't run away, the victim with a gun has a much better chance of surviving the incident.
Remember, it's bad guys with guns, lawbreakers, who are the problem with guns.
Now, what I hear you saying is, if children are banned at deviant sexual events, you'll just break the law and bring the children anyway? Is that what I hear?
You are, after all, comparing a myriad of laws that don't work, with a proposed law that really ought to work.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Tork on Thursday March 02, @07:38PM (97 children)
If that were true we'd already be there. Based on your constant damage-control postings I think you already know that, though.
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Thursday March 02, @07:51PM (88 children)
It is true, though. Who do you call when someone starts shooting up your neighborhood? You call a good guy with a gun to end the shooting. The poice are only a small portion of good guys with guns in this country, but that's who you call.
You've heard, "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away"? It's demonstrably true.
If you find yourself in a bad situation one day, you better hope that there is a good guy with a gun in the crowd. Again, and again, and again, the bad guy either runs away when he meets resistance, or he suicides, or maybe even surrender.
Try this article, which explains exactly how the news media has created the situation we have today. I know you've heard, "If it bleeds, it leads".
https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2023/02/20/a-99-percent-solution-to-stop-mass-murders/ [wordpress.com]
It's simple. Repeal every gun law that has been created since about the 1950s, and you'll instantly be safer. Repeal another small number of gun laws that have been created since about 1850, and you'll be even safer.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Thursday March 02, @08:03PM (87 children)
Funny how your answer wasn't "...your heavily armed neighbors, who are a good deal closer than 'minutes away'...." even though the ownership numbers say we should firmly be there.
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Thursday March 02, @08:07PM (85 children)
Where I live, we do call family and neighbors before we call the cops. It doesn't matter when you call the cops, their only job is to gather evidence, and make reports after the fact.
Of course, I understand that many of you city people have no idea who your neighbors are. Only in the big city can a woman be raped, with dozens or hundreds of onlookers, and no one comes to her aid.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Thursday March 02, @08:35PM (83 children)
Ah... so according to you: police AND heavily armed good guys don't actually do anything. Way to shoot yourself in the foot while trying to jab at me. hehe
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Thursday March 02, @10:37PM (82 children)
Don't be obtuse. The good guy ON SCENE is the person who will end the shooting. Cops can only take care of the problem is they arrive ON SCENE before something happens to end the shooting. And, if/when you're present when the shit hits the fan, you're not going to give the smallest damn that the good guy with a gun has a badge, or doesn't have a badge. You won't care anything about him, except, he stopped the carnage.
Of course Mr. Dickinson could have hidden somewhere at that mall, and waited for the cops to arrive. Would you rather he did so? God only knows how many dead people there would have been, if Dickinson wasn't willing to put an end to things.
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/05/27/fbi-reveals-how-many-active-shooters-were-stopped-by-citizens-1243098/ [bizpacreview.com]
Citizens need to feel free to carry their personal defense weapons, anywhere and everywhere. That would help to ensure that an active shooter doesn't become a mass murderer. There was that lady in Philadelphia, I think it was. Dude got into an altercation, fetched his weapons, came back and started shooting. He didn't become a mass murderer, because one lady was carrying, and stopped the fool.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Tork on Thursday March 02, @10:42PM (67 children)
Better keep counting, just the number of mass shootings alone in 2021 exceeded 600.
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 03, @12:33AM (66 children)
You better learn to define "mass shooting". There have not been 600 mass shootings - nowhere near that. https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/fbi-designates-61-active-shooter-incidents-in-2021 [fbi.gov]
I suppose you're probably reading too much of the wrong mass media.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Friday March 03, @12:53AM (65 children)
Your own posts are hurting the case you're trying to make. Your good guys aren't protecting us nearly enough.
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 03, @01:17AM (64 children)
I use the FBI's definition, which has remained unchanged since I first started looking at the stats. The FBI has lost a lot of credibility in the last 10 years or so, but they remain the most credible source of information on mass murders. You claim 600 mass shootings in 2021? Alright, citations then. Everytown doesn't make such a wild claim. Shannon Watts doesn't claim that many. Not sure about that Archive site - they count any newspaper headline with a gun in it, and make up more shootings on days there aren't enough.
Your claim was . . .
Justify that number.
I will not accept gang warfare - it doesn't count. Nor do murders at the border committed by the cartels. Suicides don't count. I haven't noticed, but maybe an armed robbery or the like might count if the body count exceeds 4.
The most common denominator among mass shooters are, they flip out, and start shooting people pretty much at random. They may start with one or two specific targets, but then they start spraying rounds at onlookers and passersby.
So, again - citations for your numbers.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 03, @01:33AM (7 children)
Here are 698, with individual citations for each incident: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2021 [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 03, @02:47AM (6 children)
Whooopsie!
I've already mentioned Gun Violence Archive, right? No credibility whatsoever. Yet, you link to an article that cites Gun Violence Archive. You lose.
Gang violence is out, remember? Suicides are out. We use FBI definitions of mass shootings. We don't use Shannon Watts definitions, or Gun Violence Archive, or Everytown.
With those clowns, if two hunters are out in the field, and one accidentally gets shot, they will turn that into a mass shooting.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 03, @05:53AM (3 children)
That would invalidate 3 citations out of 737. Try harder next time.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Friday March 03, @06:37AM
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 03, @02:20PM (1 child)
You need to investigate that archives place. They are the least credible of a long list of incredible left/progressive/democrat/justplainstupid sites that are determined to put an end to the Second Amendment. Some of the other sites, I might quibble over some of their numbers. GVA isn't worth talking about, it's more than 80% make-believe, and most of the rest is inaccurate or wrong.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 04, @12:16AM
For the sake of argument I had already completely discounted that source. That literally didn't move the numbers on that page at all.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 04, @08:53PM (1 child)
No citations from sites the idiot Runaway disagrees with? But perfectly OK to link to zerohinge, or gatespundit, not-so-brightbarf, or the dildocaller? Tu quoque, Runaway, you, too, you hypocrite!
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 09, @06:58AM
In his latest journal, cribbed from the tanned scrotum of Cucker Tarlsen, he cites a wall of text from Fox News, the liars. Runaway has real problems with knowing who to trust.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Friday March 03, @01:36AM (55 children)
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 03, @02:52AM (10 children)
You're still not paying attention.
Gun free zones? Law abiding people aren't permitted to carry in gun free zones, so they either leave their guns behind, or they just don't enter the gun free zones. Thus, the good guy with a gun isn't there to protect you. Or, if he is there, he is reluctant to do any protecting, because he'll get in trouble for breaking an asinine, useless law.
Several states, including New York, New Jersey, Illinois, and California have legislatures that are actively working to strip citizens of their right to self defense. The good guy with a gun can't help you in those states, because his gun was taken away, in violation of the Second Amendment.
Indiana? There was a good guy with a gun, because the state respects the Second, and won't arrest a guy for carrying. No concealed carry permit required - the Second is our permit.
Take down all the stupid gun free zone signs, and there will be more good guys with guns, in places that you need them.
Gun control laws have failed. Those cities with the strictest gun control laws have the worst gun violence problems, with few exceptions.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Friday March 03, @03:51AM (9 children)
If what you are proposing would work it would have worked by now and you wouldn't be moving goal posts all over the place. We're the one country that can't get this right, mainly because of poorly-justified head-shaking.
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 03, @12:25PM (8 children)
I'm not moving any goalposts. I've said all along that virtually all gun laws need to be repealed and stricken. Anyone who wants to carry a weapon should be able to carry his weapon anyplace, including all those "sensitive places" that politicians are suddenly inventing. All law abiding citizens have that right. The only restrictions should be aimed at the mentally deficient, violent criminals, and the youth. As for the youth, we need to settle on an age at which they can tote their weapons out in public. Most farm children are ready at about age 13, with decreasing adult supervision from that point, up to the age of majority.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Friday March 03, @12:48PM (4 children)
And yet, anyone who wants to hold or participate in a drag show should be told to fuck off?
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(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 03, @02:04PM (3 children)
I said no such thing. Nowhere have I suggested that drag queens or their shows should be outlawed. The issue is whether drag queen shows are proper venues for children's entertainment. Or, whether children should attend the shows for the entertainment of the assorted kinds of people who attend drag queen shows.
However, if you were to propose a law that outlawed drag queen shows, you wouldn't get very much impassioned resistance from me.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 03, @06:37PM
So you want to ban non-sexual fashion shows? Very authoritarian of you, but let us roll with it. Since your goal is to protect children then churches must also have an 18+ legal restriction. Actual grooming any pedophilia should go if you're going to require stupid laws because cross gender dressing makes you feel bad.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 03, @08:07PM
Don't like them? Don't think they're appropriate for your kids/grand kids?
Then don't take them to such events. Otherwise, shut the fuck up and mind your own business.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 05, @04:24PM
"However, if you were to propose a law that outlawed drag queen shows, you wouldn't get very much impassioned resistance from me."
You are a bigoted fascist, WE KNOW!
(Score: 2) by Tork on Friday March 03, @05:19PM (2 children)
Uh huh. But right now we're talking about how ineffective your 'give guns to toddlers' approach you wish to take, so you're trying to play around with the numbers (moving goalposts) to cosmetically boost your point.
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 03, @07:30PM (1 child)
You've been doing so well in this discussion, now you throw in a falsehood. "Give guns to toddlers"?????
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 04, @09:46PM
Defend the pre-natal Second Amendment Rights! An armed foetus is a polite foetus, and one that can defend itself from the abortion industry, and those industrial abortionists and fanatic draggers!
(Score: 3, Interesting) by khallow on Friday March 03, @03:53AM (43 children)
We have this interesting survey [ssrn.com]:
Sounds like there's almost two million legal uses of firearms a year.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Friday March 03, @04:08AM (42 children)
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday March 03, @04:47AM (9 children)
Now, you're puffing. And I'll note that my numbers such as they are, are the first in this thread. It's not tens of thousands of hand wavings.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 03, @04:56AM (5 children)
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday March 03, @06:46AM (4 children)
Point is that there's a lot of bad neighborhoods where police protection is iffy and petty crime frequent. How does one manage to live in places like that? Firearms are part of that answer. Firearms in such a situation aren't merely used to shoot people. The mere display of one can often prevent a lot of crime. You won't typically need to use a firearm in such a way in nice places like wealthy neighborhoods or schools. But a bad neighborhood and/or a tough job (like a security guard in such a neighborhood) could result in a large number of uses of firearms just because of repeated threats that can be deterred by the mere presence of a firearm. My take is that there are a huge number of legal uses of firearms to discourage theft, assault, burglary, etc mostly concentrated in these problematic areas. It's far greater than a "handful of heroes".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 03, @05:27PM (3 children)
From the length of your post I sense you understand exactly what I meant and am bothered by it. You're just counting people who are boasting about "doing good" but you know very well that particular door swings both ways. r/idiotswithguns
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday March 04, @03:17AM (2 children)
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 08, @02:37AM (1 child)
Khallow, you know that thing we talked about? The anti-social behavior? You're doing it again. You asked me to let you know.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday March 09, @05:51AM
Looked pretty social to me. Is your detector plugged in? Have you turned it off and back on?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 03, @05:12AM (2 children)
Bwahahahahahha
So you'll take the obvious joke as your rebuttal? Desperate times eh? Y'all Qaeda!!
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday March 03, @06:47AM (1 child)
Indeed.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 03, @08:15PM
But, it is something of an obvious re-butthole. Khallow on something of a Rand Paul roll, or is that a Ru Paul role?
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 03, @02:23PM (31 children)
You should choose your friends more wisely, young padawan.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Friday March 03, @05:02PM (30 children)
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 03, @07:32PM (29 children)
Like I said, choose your friends more wisely. The gun didn't make anyone stupid. Those friends were already stupid, but you only seem to have noticed that fact when they violated the most basic of safety rules.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Friday March 03, @07:38PM (28 children)
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 03, @07:49PM (27 children)
I would disagree. Laws may save some lives, but education saves more, by many orders of magnitude. Education should start early. Like, sometime in the child's pre-teens, you get them a BB gun or a pellet gun, and you vigorously teach the concept of "you'll put your eyes out with that, kid!" It's a fact that people new to firearms tend to do stupid things. So you start them young, with a weapon that isn't very dangerous, and you cuff them upside the head when they muzzle you, or little sister, or the family's dog. That way, when they reach legal hunting age, they aren't muzzling everyone in sight with their shiny new deer rifle. And, when they're old enough to purchase their first pistol, they've got it down pat, and they won't muzzle the store clerk who sells it to them.
Children should be learning firearm safety LONG before they're old enough to go out and purchase any weapons.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Friday March 03, @07:53PM (11 children)
Oh look... we agree the gun owners in this country aren't safety-minded enough with guns. ;)
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 03, @10:18PM (10 children)
Exactly. Now, let's mandate firearm safety training in the Department of Education. You know, the people who have claimed the right and the responsibility for teaching our kids what they need to know, to get through life. The DoE is a complete failure.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Friday March 03, @10:22PM (9 children)
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 03, @11:14PM (8 children)
Because the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear arms. Would you like to see a poll tax attached to the right to vote? The Supreme Court has ruled repeatedly that you are under no obligation to satisfy government bureacratic requirements before you can exercise a right. That is why poll taxes were stricken down, along with literacy tests. Why not have literacy requirements before you can post on the internet? Again that would conflict with a basic human right guaranteed by the First Amendment.
Requiring that all public school children are educated in the safe use and handling of firearms would have the same end result that you are looking for, and it would interfere with no person's rights.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Friday March 03, @11:18PM (7 children)
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 03, @11:25PM (6 children)
Yes, it violates the 2A exactly the same way that "may issue" permits violate the 2A. It enables some halfwit to judge you to be qualified (desirable) to carry a weapon, or unqualified (undesirable) to carry a weapon. A whole lot of people have been judged undesirable, based on race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, political leanings, and more. The Supreme Court's Bruen ruling is intended to put a stop to that.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Friday March 03, @11:41PM (5 children)
Look, I'm not a fan of banning guns either, but the reality is they're going to have to be regulated because TOO MUCH DEATH. You, and I mean you personally (as well as myself), are damned fucking lucky Newtown and Uvalde didn't end in your weapons being deemed illegal. Obviously I don't know where that red-line is, but one day the wrong person's gonna get shot and the next the public's favor will change and you're gonna get regulation that definitely does not have your concerns in mind. The wisest thing you could do right now is start moving in a serious direction towards curbing the violence.
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Saturday March 04, @12:18AM (4 children)
DUHHH! People in prison have had some or all of their rights revoked, for cause. The capacity to inflict violence on the world is one of those rights that have been revoked.
A lot of regulation is going away. Recent Supreme Court decisions guarantee that. The ATF just suffered a defeat in Texas, trying to enforce their new definition of what a gun is. https://globalordnancenews.com/2023/03/03/federal-judge-grants-injunction-blocking-enforcement-of-atfs-frame-or-receiver-rule-by-dan-zimmerman/ [globalordnancenews.com]
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Saturday March 04, @03:55AM (3 children)
Heh. Okie doke.
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Saturday March 04, @06:07PM (1 child)
Not sure you understand how that works. You have the right to do damned near anything you want to do - travel, work, entertainment, etc ad nauseum. If/when you are convicted of a crime, some or all of your freedom, some or all of your rights are restricted. The court may take your money, your property, they may confine you to a jail cell, they may restrict your communications, your right to work, your right to do business, or, in the most extreme cases, they may deprive you of your life. That word "convict" means a lot to people who cherish their liberty. Along with all the other rights, a convict loses his right to keep and bear arms.
However, some of that may be rolled back in the foreseeable future. There are multiple cases going, in which convicts are appealing to the courts to have their 2A rights restored, and to prevent wholesale deprivation of those rights for all convicts. An accountant, for instance, who fudges some numbers, goes to prison for a couple years, is not especially likely to start gunning people down randomly after he serves that time. The goal is to deprive violent criminals of their second amendment rights, and to restore those rights to everyone else.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Saturday March 04, @06:11PM
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 04, @09:07PM
Mistake! Runaway1956 is an Arkie, not an Okie. Even The Migratory Buzzard believed Arkansasians to be mentally inferior to Oklahomians, and let's just leave Texas out of it, hmm?
And this "constitutional carry" crap is for cowards and assassins. What need would an honest, law-abiding person have to conceal a lethal weapon on their body? There is a reason that this has always been illegal, and even was under English common law. Same for silencers, a tool of murderers, assassins, poachers, and Republicans. The U.S. Constitution cannot create any rights, it only recognizes ones that, according to the Declaration of Independence (which is not US law, btw.) are inalienable rights conferred by the creator. God did not allow any concealed carry, that is the sinful artificial contrivance of a fallen humanity, who thought they needed clothes, once they realized they were naked. LaPierre is French for "Satan", and constitutional carry people are under the influence of a satanic death cult.
(Score: 3, Informative) by janrinok on Sunday March 05, @08:49AM (14 children)
And how is education enhanced by refusing to discuss history or preventing children from reading books? What makes education better when parents are not allowed to teach their own children about diversity and that fact that people are different in so many ways - all of them resulting from their evolution, their own history and their personal choices?
Rubbish - and you know it. They should be learning to live in a multicultural world which they will certainly be part of rather than being indoctrinated that they must learn weapon safety because they will eventually own a weapon. Nobody has to own a weapon - they do have to live alongside other people who may have different views on what constitutes a well-balanced adult.
At last we agree - they should also learn about puberty long before they are frightened by changes in their body that they do not understand or expect. They should know about other people's beliefs and history long before it becomes a divisive issue.
Your arguments throughout this discussion have been incoherent and inconsistent.
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Monday March 06, @12:26AM (13 children)
You know what? Fuck that multicultural world. Give it just a few more decades, and the only culture in the US will be "consume more, spend more, support the Corporation".
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 06, @04:10AM
Runsaway got his ass whipped in someone else's journal, instead of this own. Hurts just as bad, don't it? Finding out that you are the minority, the outcaste, the bad guy.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday March 06, @06:02AM (11 children)
That is an entirely different argument.
But you have just nailed your colours to the mast. By saying "Fuck that multicultural world" you have clearly shown that you do not respect anyone who is of a different ethnic background to yourself, who does not hold the same political views, who does not share the same broken moral compass, or who correctly believes that their rights trump your wishes on how they should behave.
You have dug your hole, despite being advised many times to stop digging. I hope you enjoy being viewed the way you are by others.
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Monday March 06, @11:04AM (10 children)
You have steadily argued in favor of children attending drag queen shows. But, go ahead, blame my moral compass for our disagrement. If that is what you call multiculturalism, then fuck multiculturalism again.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday March 06, @12:23PM (9 children)
Not once I have made such a claim. I am saying that it is not for you to decide how other people raise their children. If other parents want to take their children to raise money for charities or to have stories read to them then that is their right to do so.
You, however, have now started to move the goalposts. It was drag artists that you were complaining about, but now it seems it is only drag queens presumably while performing their act ("drag queen shows"). When the children attended there was no element of a sexual nature taking place, despite your allegations to the contrary. They were not performing their usual act. How they were dressed is totally irrelevant - they could have been dressed as clowns for all I care. The children did NOT attend a drag queen show. Suggesting otherwise is simply being dishonest.
Drag artists can be comedians, singers, dancers. actors, or even read stories to children. They can be parents too. They don't have to be doing anything that is in the least bit offensive or intended to harm anyone, otherwise the police would have had every right to make arrests. The police have not done so.
The new laws that are being touted go much further than drag queens but are designed to target anyone under a very broad brush which includes drag artists, transvestites and trans people of both genders.
I didn't take my children to a show that contained elements of a sexual nature, but they did go to pantomimes and they saw drag artists on television, in films, and on stage. They have grown into well-adjusted adults and are successfully raising their own children. Fortunately, there was nobody like you trying to tell them or me or how we should raise them.
Why don't you just stop digging?
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Monday March 06, @11:15PM (8 children)
But, you are both right and wrong. As a member of society, I have a voice. I have no problem making my voice heard. Society has some people trying to make societal changes that they want to see. I oppose those changes. I oppose this change. I have every right to deny these people's "rights", as you call it, to indoctrinate children into their culture.
But, you are sorta half-assed right. It's not up to me, alone, to tell these assholes to stop being assholes. It is up to me, along with millions of other people who are disgusted with the entire scene.
🙄
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday March 07, @06:58AM (6 children)
So you believe that your rights have more validity than their rights. Well, there is the problem then. You are simply wrong.
You can be disgusted all you want - but you can't dictate how they should live their lives based on your disgust. Lots of people here disagree with your extreme views - but you are still entitled to live your life however you wish so to do.
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday March 07, @02:13PM (5 children)
You're not listening. I have every right to voice my opinion on societal norms. At this point in time, it is NOT a norm to take children to a drag queen show. I don't want it to become a norm. I see it as child abuse and child grooming. No one has a right to abuse children, or to groom them for sexual purposes. Children should be permitted to grow as normally as possible, free of adults forming the child's opinions and preferences for deviant entertainment and deviant sex.
Before you ask - yes, drag queens (and others) are indeed deviant.
When you campaign for laws that permit taking children into strip clubs and bars and "gentlemen's clubs", I may listen to your arguments in regard to drag queen shows in a different light. Children don't belong in adult entertainment venues, thank you very much.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday March 07, @02:44PM (3 children)
Children have not attended a drag queen show. A strip club, or gentlemans' club, without a show being presented has a different name. We call them "rooms" or venues. What you are suggesting happened has never happened. You are being entirely dishonest in your claims in an attempt to garner support.
It is pointless continuing this discussion. You can provide no evidence to support your claims. None whatsoever. You are backed into a corner where you believe it is appropriate to take away peoples rights of free association, freedom of assembly, and other rights (9th: rights not enumerated in the Constitution are retained by the people) in order to 'protect children' by stopping somebody reading stories to them, yet you don't care that more children are now dying from guns than any other cause in the USA because to take action would impinge your rights. How hypocritical can you get?
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday March 07, @03:49PM (2 children)
Now you're being dishonest, and/or intentionally obtuse.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=children+at+drag+queen+show [youtube.com]
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=children+at+drag+queen+show&t=vivaldi&atb=v314-1&ia=web [duckduckgo.com]
We already established that children are attending drag queen shows a long, long way back in this discussion. You wanted more videos, presumably so you could judge the conduct at those shows. If you didn't see a child groping a man, or a man groping a child, everything would be alright, I guess. But the shows are happening, children are there, and queer SOBs are gyrating their hips in children's faces.
Pointless continuing this discussion? Yeah, you're probably right. You can't see obvious child exploitation.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday March 07, @07:04PM (1 child)
No you didn't. You made the claim, yet the video that you provided as evidence did not support your claim. I watched the video. It wasn't a drag queen preformance. It was a story reading by drag artists but they were not doing their show. I did some further digging and that video was reported elsewhere as being a story reading for children. I searched for more information and found another video - it was a show to raise money for children's charities. I contested your claim - I did not accept it.
Dressing in womens clothing is not illegal. I provided lots of references to support my view. Many famous stars have dressed in drag and performed with and for children and it does not of itself constitute grooming. I gave a long list of films and other examples, including some originating in the USA and shown in US cinemas. There have been no accusations of grooming nor has there been a single arrest as far as I can see. Artists who dress as women and even emulate a womans walk are not doing anything illegal and they are not guilty of grooming. You may be intimidated by it but it remains a matter of personal choice. You are not compelled to visit or watch a genuine drag queen show, or even attend a more innocent book reading.
So now you have sent me another list of videos to watch. I chose one - "‘Woke suburban mums’ are taking their children to drag shows to ‘get sexualised’". First of all, with a title like that in scare quotes it does not suggest it is a neutral or unbiased viewpoint. Then I learn that it is in Texas and that the reporter is also American (Defend Our Kids, Texas) - although the interview comes from Sky News Australia, hosted by Rita Pahini. From Wikipedia: Rita Panahi (born 3 March 1976) is an American-born Australian right-wing opinion columnist. She works for The Herald and Weekly Times (HWT), a subsidiary of News Corp Australia [...]. No right-wing bias there then.
A few comments ago, you said that you couldn't provide links to the material but now it seems that you can - thank you.
So I considered more the title. I do not believe everything that I read. Nor should you - there have been many claims made about you on this site. If you wish to suggest that we should believe everything we read then surely that would apply to those comments too? It turns out it was simply the reporters opinion.
I could put it off no longer; I watched the video. It was NOT a show that I would want to take my children to, but that is my personal view. The mothers who were interviewed said that the children were not seeing anything that they have not seen before in more innocent settings, including Disney [World] [03:57]. A search on DDG will provide you with numerous female character actors at Disney, some wearing less than most of the drag queens.
One mother said her daughter was 12 years old and 'she knows about sex'. No other ages were given in the video. My children (one of each gender) viewed pantomimes starting at around age 8 or so. They knew about sex by that age too. They would not, if we take that video as evidence, be shocked or surprised at anything that was said or happened on stage. Perhaps sex education is more advanced on this side of the pond. When challenged by the reporter that the child had seen simulated sex she responded "she goes to school - she sees simulated sex all the time". Wrapping them in cotton wool does not prepare them for later life. Having a caring parent who can explain right and wrong is much more useful to them. As I said, the video not for me personally but that is my choice.
The reporter said that there were existing laws that covered such things so I have to ask why no arrests have taken place. All the evidence (if indeed it is a crime) was there handed on a plate for the police. I believe it is simply because despite how distasteful it might be to some it is still not illegal. Nobody was nude. The most I saw in that video was a bikini. I suspect that children who have been to a pool or a beach will have seen women dressed like that before.
I did not see this act in the video that I watched but I am not going to watch a list of videos looking for evidence to support your argument; that is your job. As I have said earlier - I think you have a hatred or fear of homosexuality (homophobia) and are unable to accept that others do not have to live their lives according to your expectations or mine. You don't have to see it - you must have gone looking for those videos or did they just appear on your computer?
Now, as you are just repeating what you have already said I think that this discussion has run its course.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 08, @02:41AM
Really, jan, you shouldn't attempt to argue with Runaway, it serves no purpose. He is not bright enough to know he is being brainwashed by rightwing yellow journalism. You should just ban him.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Thursday March 09, @01:27PM
It is a 'norm' to take children to church and tell them to trust 'Pastor Bill'.
With all the revelations of late, should this be, now, discouraged and become not a 'norm'?
Should it not be made illegal to take children to a church service?
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Thursday March 09, @01:24PM
So, do you believe in banning religious ceremonies? There is never an element of a sexual nature taking place in a church during a service, but the grooming does occur and the sexual activities happen just outside the service.
Will Tennessee ban church services next?, and do you believe religious services should be banned?
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday March 04, @05:55PM (13 children)
Uvalde would suggest that is not the case. How many good guys with guns do you need? How long do they stand and wait before doing anything. It there a training manual that you get when you buy a weapon that tells you such things?
Those family member 'good guys' were actually prevented from doing what nobody else had the guts to do.
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Saturday March 04, @06:14PM (12 children)
Uvalde was a prime example that you cannot rely on the cops. How 'bout that woman who did an end run around the cops, went into the school, and brought her child out of the school? She, and the child's teacher, would have been even greater heroes if the entire class had followed her out of the school. She would have been the ultimate hero, if she had been armed, and shot the shooter. So many possibilities.
But, bottom line, Uvalde proves that you're a fool if you rely on the police. You are your own last line of defense in any and all situations. If you can't be arsed to defend yourself, why would you expect some random guy with a uniform to bother with defending you?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 05, @12:08AM (6 children)
It is funny how as the truth comes out you become *slightly* more liberal.
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Sunday March 05, @02:40AM (5 children)
So long as no one confuses "liberal" with "progressive" or "woke" or "Democrat". Yeah, I'm a wee bit liberal. That European political spectrum places me just left of center. Being liberal certainly does not mean that I support any politicians who claim to be liberal, but are in fact authoritarians, or worse.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 05, @03:40AM
Most European 'lefties' support big government programs such as climate change mitigation, unions, high speed rail, public transit, socialized medicine and education.
aka Bernie Sanders.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 05, @07:07AM
We'll believe you when you stop defending fascists like dumbo mcgrabbin. Sad that you have so much hate for liberals, and love for GOP domestic terrorists. Baby steps for baby gramps.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday March 05, @09:27AM (2 children)
I didn't realise that you had a sense of humour too. You were joking, right?
We would put you slightly to the right of Attila the Hun, but on the positive side you are about as compassionate as Genghis Khan. You don't need to worry about being viewed as a "wee bit liberal" here. To Europeans, even your Democratic party is often seen as still being right of centre.
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Monday March 06, @12:23AM (1 child)
Serious as a heart attack, jan. I've done that test several times. I always end up just left of center, just a little into the authoritarian top of the charts.
Perhaps you don't understand the spectrum? Or, more likely, you don't understand me. Either way, it's your loss, not mine.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 14, @05:50PM
No, you are the only one missing out. Keep lying to yourself if you want, typical narcissist behavior.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday March 05, @08:54AM (4 children)
It also shows that your 'good guy with a gun' is a fallacy - Of those who died from gun violence this year [go.com] [2033 so far], 227 were teens and 36 were children. Where were the good guys then?
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday March 05, @09:28AM (3 children)
TYPO - that should refer to year 2023 so far! Sorry 'bout that.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 05, @08:48PM (2 children)
That explains why my mod-bans by janrinok are often for a decade, instead of a month.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday March 06, @05:45AM (1 child)
You have compromised another of your comments by making such a statement - you are just incapable of being anonymous despite your claims. You really are hopeless at this.
"often"? How would you know unless you have received multiple bans, including being banned from this site? So the decade is not an error - it is entirely intentional in your case.
Go ahead, claim that you are someone different. Both you and I know better, and you have proven yet again who you are.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 06, @07:58PM
All ACs are compromised by janrinok. Most of them are probably drag queens. Jan outs 'em, Runaway takes them out. Sounds like real team effort.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 04, @07:52AM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 04, @01:47PM
While the rest of the world also being bad guys get entertained at the resulting videos...
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Thursday March 02, @08:04PM (6 children)
And, allow me to go kinda off topic, to draw a comparison for you.
When I was a young man, airline hijackings were routine. As a somewhat older man, hijacking were slacking off, but still happening. Then, we had 9/11/01. Remember Flight 93? The passengers got a clue about what was happening, and they fought back. They preferred to die fighting, than to die being used as tools to attack our nation.
Potential hijackers took notice of that fact, along with all the security theater we have going on today. A hijacker can't be certain that the passengers will be placid littl sheep anymore. The men and women on Flight 93 set an example, and there are many other men and women in the air today who would follow that example.
No more monthly reports of hijackings in the world. That chapter in American idiocy was closed, with a bang.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Thursday March 02, @08:07PM
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02, @08:31PM (4 children)
No guns were involved in the 9/11 hijacking. Reinforced cockpit doors reduced hijacking. Gunplay on an aircraft is not recommended. Runaway is not a militia.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday March 03, @12:45AM (3 children)
He sure as hell isn't a well-organized one...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 03, @12:59AM (1 child)
You OTOH could do with some regulation tho
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday March 04, @02:56AM
How so? :) Do enlighten us all. Let's hear your plan.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 03, @02:17AM
No only not well regulated, but not necessary to the well being of the state. In fact, rather to the contrary.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 03, @01:25AM
Your approach is all wrong. You need to extend the argument. The only thing that prevents a bad guy with a drag show from wreaking havoc is a good guy with a drag show. So the solution is to have more drag shows not less. If you ban drag shows, only criminals will have drag shows. We should make sure that every law-abiding citizen can exercise their First Amendment rights free of drag show control.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 03, @02:14AM
We just want to take your guns, Runaway, not because it is effective, or just, but just because it will stick it to the MAGAts! You know, if you are correct, the only thing that can stop a pedo in drag is a straight white Christian male in drag! Get out there on the runway, Runaway! Strut your stuff, and protect those kids! And, say hello to your fellow Arkansasian, Josh Dugger.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 03, @06:59AM (3 children)
God bless America but you couldn't pay me to live there.
In my country, with low gun ownership, we go about our daily lives without a continual imminent paranoid fear of being mugged at gunpoint.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 03, @08:20PM (2 children)
I live in the most densely populated city in the US. I'm in my mid fifties and have never been afraid of being mugged at gunpoint. Nor have I even been mugged at gunpoint.
I go about my daily life without any fear of being mugged. At gunpoint or otherwise.
So I have no idea what you're blathering on about*.
Want to dis the US? Go for it. There are plenty of things wrong with the US, but what you're talking about isn't one of them. If you feel the need to denigrate the US and its residents, why don't you pick something that's actually going on?
And there are many stupid/dangerous/evil things going on here too. Yet you focus on something that doesn't exist outside the bubble of tabloid rag opinion writers. Perhaps you should pay more attention before spouting off.
Or not. That's up to you.
*And no, I'm not Runaway1956 or a similar jackass posting as AC. In fact, I posted this [soylentnews.org] and this [soylentnews.org] in this very discussion.
You're talking out of your ass and it smells that way too. Yuck!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 03, @11:31PM (1 child)
What, you mean the US isn't a Tanakh-thumping gun-toting Putin-shilling homophobic dystopia ?
CPAC says otherwise.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 04, @04:52AM
Most of it is not, nutters like Runaway are the minority, but a decent sized minority with a very LOUD victim complex. All that white privilege and religious cult bullshit really messed them up.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday March 03, @04:12PM (9 children)
You fail to understand that if the bad guys didn't have guns, there wouldn't be almost daily shootings. And it is getting worse.
Those good guys with guns are usually the ones that should be feared the most. Self styled Rambo. Branding themselves Patriots. Trump won, etc.
How often should I have my memory checked? I used to know but...
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 03, @07:34PM (8 children)
And, I insist that you fail to understand that the bad guys WILL GET GUNS when they want them.
How 'bout 'Straya? Guns have been largely outlawed for years now - but they still make arrests, confiscating guns. Known criminals, convicts, with guns, while the general populace has to jump through hoops to own anything that might go "boom".
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday March 04, @02:34AM (7 children)
And while we're at it, let's forget locking your house doors and cars, huh? If someone really wants in, that person WILL get in. Locks only keep out the lazy, stupid, weak, and honest. And forget laws against murder. If someone really wants to, that person WILL commit murder. Laws against murder only stop the lazy, stupid, weak, and honest from committing murder.
Do you see the problem with what I will charitably call your train of thought?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Saturday March 04, @06:09PM (6 children)
You're entirely missing the point: gun laws have proven to be complete failures, again and again. They deprive law abiding citizens of their rights, while doing nothing about violent criminals. The punishment needs to fit the crime, you don't punish everyone because a criminal used a gun.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 05, @12:17AM (1 child)
Other countries prove you wrong, but hilaroous how you refuse to apply the same logic to drag shows while being entirely incapable of showing any evidence they harm children in any way outside your fevered prejudicial dreams.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 05, @01:31AM
This is the guy who uses the Port Arthur tragedy as a talking point but has clearly not spent any length of time in Australia since John Howard's gun laws were introduced.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Sunday March 05, @04:35PM (3 children)
No other developed country in the world has the problem we have with shootings in the US. Why could that possibly be?
How often should I have my memory checked? I used to know but...
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Monday March 06, @12:20AM (2 children)
It's possible that the progressives have been working for decades to screw our system up, in hopes that it would force us to adopt progressive systems instead.
How many years do you think left/liberal/progressives have been working to disarm the populace? It didn't just start yesterday! I've already said that gun control laws are all demonstrably failures. And, that is intentional.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 19, @06:53PM (1 child)
Egads you are so fucking stupid.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 19, @11:11PM
Translation:
Egads you are so not progressive!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 10, @10:11PM
No, it hasn't. This is a spurious claim, a falsehood, a gun lobby lie. It is in error, incorrect, a fantasy. Evidence? Arkansas.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Gaaark on Friday March 03, @04:04AM (16 children)
I'm just pointing out stupidity:
1. Take away the ability to have drag shows, to protect the children.
2. Why not take away the ability to have guns to protect those same children.
If they think 1. should work, then logically, 2. should work just as well.
But this is America, where logic has no home, i guess. Men are from Vulcan, women from Venus, Americans from Whack-a-doodle-land?
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 03, @05:19AM
"Americans from Whack-a-doodle-land?"
Now you're getting it, and that comes from a murrican! The US has lofty ideals but has done a great job burying our crimes. Until video recorders many people did not believe the racism was so prevalent even in more liberal states. It is hard to wash away centuries of dehumanizing slavery, and only recently did the last human die that witnessed legal slavery in the US.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 03, @05:55AM
As was more eloquently pointed out many years ago by some pommie bastard [wikipedia.org]:
Oh and you're welcome.
I'd note that I'm an American myself and that pommie bastard was absolutely right!
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 03, @02:30PM (13 children)
Social harm is caused by anti-social people. There's no inconsistency, just a pretense from leftists that mass shooters and drag queens who perform for minors don't have cluster B personality disorders.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 03, @06:43PM (3 children)
Proud Owner of Woodchipper here...
Lol, and then you go on to compare men in dresses to mass shooters. Tell us you're a sexually repressed bigot without telling us you're a sexually repressed bigot!
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 04, @06:07PM (2 children)
Most sociopaths are not mass shooters but most mass shooters are sociopaths. Autogynephiles like Biden's baggage bandit get off on transgressing social boundaries. Disregard for the norms of social behavior is a marker for sociopathy. What motivates an adult male to dress in women's clothes and engage in a sexualized performance in front of children? Understand their mental reward system and you understand the psychopathology.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 05, @12:12AM (1 child)
Someone spent some time researching how to sound smart, too bad you are still missing the whole evidence thing. Never stops you rightwing bigots anyway.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 05, @05:00AM
Ok groomer! [youtube.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 03, @08:22PM (8 children)
Now, now, Runaway has only been doxxed, not officially diagnosed. We can tell he is mentally ill from his posts, but to prove it in a court of law we would have to subject him to long term close observation in a nice room with mattresses on the walls. Or, metal bars, as is the Practice in Arkansas.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 04, @04:56AM (7 children)
*everyone is ok with this*
The US is in big trouble if it refuses to jail the seditious GOP critters that committed an insurrection to overthrow democracy, and that is pushing openly fascist legislation. They are not even hiding it anymore, do people like Runaway truly deceive themselves or are they just trolls hoping for a theocratic dictatorship?
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 04, @07:57AM (6 children)
I do think that Runaway is sincere and honest, only because he is an ignorant moron. Most of the Faux Newsers and alleged Christians are like that. Too stupid to know they are stupid. We are blessed on SoylentNews to have khallow, who is smart enough to realize he is stupid, but still refuses to admit it. He will be along shortly, to prove the same, once again. Poor khallow! Even more Poor Runaway!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 05, @02:01AM (5 children)
Strange, janrinok's take downs of Runaway get modded up, but others get the spam mod for being, I guess, disruptive? It is almost like it is janrinok who's doing the modding.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday March 05, @08:27AM (2 children)
Perhaps it is because your style of writing gives away your identity - and people are trying to send you a clear message. And it wasn't me doing the moderations. You often make your comments personal by naming people. We know who you are answering because your replies are place under their comments. There is usually is no need to refer to a specific user by name. But for you it is always personal - so "I guess, [you are being] disruptive".
Until you identified yourself there had been no Spam moderations for over 10 days.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 05, @11:15PM (1 child)
Poor janrinok! First Runaway trying to make it illegal from him to engage in the time-honored British male practice of dressing up in women's clothing ("He's a lumberjack and 'e's OK!") and now the soylentil who must not be named using users names! Oh, the Tempura! Oy, the huge Manekins!
Please, spam mod the Runaway. He has become repetitive, and disruptive of drag shows.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 06, @11:55PM
At least he's not dressing up like a bloody Viking while tossing all the Spam(tm) mods. Or did I dream it!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 05, @01:41PM (1 child)
That's rich coming from you - I guess the Jon Uhler video hit a raw nerve. Do you stop at moderation abuse or do you also abuse children?
I own a Woodchipper.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 10, @10:15PM
What "Jon whatshisname video"? I do not click on video links posted by ammosexuals online, I have been traumatized too many times already.
(And, in point of fact, there is no moderation abuse on SN, only right-wing nut-jobs complaining about the moderation abuse that is a precise analogy to the fraud that got Dark Brandon elected: it only exists in their paranoid imagination. )
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 08, @02:45AM
Alright, children at a Drag Show, enough of this arguing. How about a nice new Poll?
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Thursday March 09, @01:33PM
Children are being groomed and molested by religious leaders and (adjuncts?): should church services for children be made illegal?
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---