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Howard wrote “that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.” https://www.14thamendment.us/articles/anchor_babies_unconstitutionality.html
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Here, we have a case of "blame the victim", and the cops are going to get away with it. The fact that she is young, white, and pretty will work against her, I'm sure. And, she's from Alabama. The Gestapo busts in on her, while she's taking a nap, shoot her down, and they have the nerve to say, "Well, if she hadn't pointed her gun at our officers . . . "
This, among many other incidents, is why I can't follow the liberal logic. WTF do any of you want the cops to have guns, but deny yourselves the opportunity to defend yourself from those rogue cops? Disarm the police, then I might think about giving up my own weapons. Key words are "might" and "think about".
WILMER, Ala. (WALA) -- A huge investigation underway after a woman is shot during an undercover warrant roundup. It happened Thursday morning at a home in Wilmer on Old Moffat Road.
Turns out the suspect agents were looking for was already in Metro Jail.
"As agents went up to the house they detained two men outside, who said there was a woman still inside. As they went to make entry into the house... This lady had armed herself with a shotgun and the entry team was giving her orders to drop the gun, put the gun down, drop the gun several times -- over a period of a few seconds it seems like... And there is video recordings of that. She didn't and she pointed the gun at one of them -- then two or three agents fired upon her striking her three or four times," said Mobile County Sheriff Sam Cochran.
The woman idenitfied as Ann Rylee was not who agents were looking for. Instead, they were there to execute outstanding drug warrants for 41-year-old Nicholas McLeod -- the uncle of Rylee's fiance.
McLeod has a long drug arrest history. Prior arrests list the home on Moffat Road as McLeod's home address. Turns out he was already in Metro Jail. McLeod booked in on Wednesday at 3:36 p.m. on the outstanding warrants.
Sheriff Cochran says had they known -- they wouldn't have gone to the house.
"We do know there was a miscommunication... And we've narrowed it down to one of two things: The investigators did not make one final check this morning to send teams out to make the arrests or warrants section did not communicate to the computer system -- that the warrants were no longer active. We're running that down," said Cochran. "However, if she would not have pointed a gun at the agents -- they would have determined all of that on the scene and would have bid her a good day and thank you very much."
It's a multi agency team -- running the warrant round-up consisting of Mobile County Sheriff's deputies, Homeland Security, and agents with the U.S. Marshals Office. Sheriff Cochran tells us it was not one of his deputies that fired the shots.
Meanwhile, there is no body camera footage because the Mobile County Sheriff's Office doesn't have body cameras.
The Alabama Bureau of Investigation was called in to take over the case.
All content © 2019, WALA; Mobile, AL. (A Meredith Corporation Station). All Rights Reserved.
https://www.fox10tv.com/news/mobile_county/mcso-sheriff-woman-pointed-gun-at-officer-before-she-was/article_effd4f0c-22da-11ea-b92c-97a70d44e2ba.html
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 23 2019, @01:40AM (21 children)
Please, show us the mainstream popularity of "you want the cops to have guns, but deny yourselves the opportunity to defend yourself from those rogue cops?"
You'll find the vast majority of liberals only want better background checks and licensing. The mainstream media extremism can be disregarded as propaganda to fuel the emotional divisions, much like the extremist abortion and war on christmas bullshit. Ooooh scary black "tactical" AR-15s! Thanks to some posters on here and people I've met in person I've learned how a lot of gun regulations are nonsense "we're doing something!" type crap. Care to return the favor?
I think the answer is clear, you Runaway need to get your opinions more from real people and less from TV / news propaganda. Also, to head this off, if you want to compare extremist legislation attempts it won't go well for a Republican supporter, so no need to post about how some liberal tried to ban all guns or whatever.
All that aside, I think cops should be disarmed, with SWAT basically being a truck that brings in the weaponry when necessary. Give them armor and clubs, along with actual consequences for wrongful deaths. Like prison time.
Also, obligatory calling out of your bullshit "The fact that she is young, white, and pretty will work against her, I'm sure" which seems to be the only reason you care. All the other articles about wrongful deaths, along with that bitch who murdered the innocent guy in his own apartment, yaaaa you weren't exactly hard on the cops. I'll leave the interpretations of what that means to the reader.
(Score: 4, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday December 23 2019, @01:47AM (13 children)
If you have to ask permission it's a privilege not a right. The constitution says it is a right. Not a right granted by the constitution. A right that the constitution acknowledges as already existing and explicitly forbids the government from infringing upon.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday December 23 2019, @04:17AM (3 children)
Your rights are enumerated and determined by the laws of physics, not a piece of paper or a man's ego.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday December 23 2019, @04:45AM
I'd say it's more along the lines of your rights are dictated by what you are capable of doing. Mind you, if what you plan on doing is living peacefully with other humans, you're going to have to forego quite a range of them; human beings are capable of doing some fairly nasty things to each other and it tends to make Christmas dinner a bit awkward if you do things like show up with your neighbor's yappy dog superglued backwards to your hood.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Arik on Monday December 23 2019, @05:12AM (1 child)
Human rights are the rights that are inherent in what it means to be a human individual. Nothing more, nothing less. Government can either protect them, or violate them, but it does not get to define them or change them.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday December 23 2019, @05:31AM
On the contrary, man's law is the abstraction, an emotional attempt to separate us from the fundamentals, to provide the [now crumbling] facade of civility. It's like how the Java abstraction layer separates us from a real programming language to "protect" us from seeing the greasy underbelly of C
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 23 2019, @07:12AM
Sorry the world is more complicated than your jello filled skull can deal with :(
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 23 2019, @08:35PM (7 children)
I think the part about "well regulated militia" makes it abundantly clear that private ownership and usage was not being discussed.
This is grade-school level reading comprehension.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 23 2019, @09:16PM (3 children)
Found the problem, buzztardo has coded for so long he doesn't understand normal language. Since they didn't make extensive use of & and | he can't parse the meaning.
A common problem with biological robots.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday December 24 2019, @05:40AM (2 children)
Naw, that's the exact opposite of what's happening here. I do understand that "well regulated" meant something completely different than "ordered to be thus by the government" back then, while you two don't.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 24 2019, @05:36PM (1 child)
Ok boomer
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday December 25 2019, @03:46AM
Gen-X, yo. Which is to say: Whatever, enjoy drowning in student debt if you fuck with us.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday December 24 2019, @05:38AM
Three things:
1) You get that militia are unorganized in any way until a crisis happens civilians, yes?
2) And you understand that "well-regulated" was a term in common usage at the time that meant something along the lines of "being in proper working order".
3) And you further get that the founding fathers had just finished kicking the hell out of the Brits with privately owned weapons, up to and including artillery and warships?
So, tell me again how they meant the fascist meaning of the word rather than the one that protects the liberty of the people.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 24 2019, @06:08AM
Ah yes, clearly the 2A was meant to prevent the government from disarming itself.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday December 24 2019, @06:39AM
Um, no, the "well regulated militia" is not a condition, but I can't expect people to understand that, since they also can't understand the concept of "no law" that we have in the first amendment.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Monday December 23 2019, @01:51AM (3 children)
You were OBVIOUSLY not listening to the Dem party debates over the past year. Every one of those chuckleheads tried to out-idiot the rest. Beto said that yes, he IS coming for our guns. And, many of us want him to do it in person.
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 23 2019, @03:52PM
If people have guns they may use them to shoot someones family members.
https://concealednation.org/2019/10/video-family-of-armed-robber-who-was-shot-and-killed-says-clerk-shouldnt-have-had-gun-at-work/ [concealednation.org]
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 26 2019, @01:41AM (1 child)
Coming on your Guns, Runaway! You should be very, very afraid, so afraid that you might shoot at a cop. Go ahead, make my point, you craven Rebel scum! (Civil War, not Star Wars).
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 26 2019, @08:54AM
Stupid ficking Runaway! If only I had a guns! I would body-cam footage Runaway right up his own kiester! Oath-keeper nonsense needs to be put down, hard. Some-arry execution, for all intensive porpoises.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by shortscreen on Monday December 23 2019, @09:17AM (2 children)
Poll respondants favor "common sense" background checks and registries. But the support is coming mostly from non-gun-owners and there is nothing Americans love more than laws that only apply to other people. These bureaucratic measures also don't really stop anyone who is determined to commit violent crime, just like "gun free zones".
If your modest version of gun control were to pass, I strongly suspect that when the next shooting happened that was hyped by the media, the goal posts would move and another round of arbitrary restrictions would enter the pipeline.
As runaway begins to imply, the biggest "gun nut" of all is the government. They are perpetrating unnecessary violence at home and overseas, the scale of which goes far beyond anything that ordinary criminals can muster. Anyone who wants a less violent world and has their priorities straight should be calling for the government to be reined in, not for expanding the police state.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 23 2019, @09:30PM (1 child)
So vote Sanders 2020!
Woops, you meant restrict all government, so universal healthcare means you'll support corrupt thieving warmongers instead. GENIUS!
(Score: 2) by shortscreen on Monday December 23 2019, @10:11PM
Wouldn't it be lame if we had to limit ourselves to one overarching ideology as the single answer to every issue?
(Score: 1, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday December 23 2019, @01:42AM (12 children)
Sorry but no. She had a choice to either offer the cops violence or not. She chose, with extremely predictable results. I might have done the same given the right circumstances but I wouldn't bitch about the blindingly obvious happening as a result. Actions have consequences. If you're not willing to take the consequences, don't take the action.
None of the above has anything to do with right or wrong, only whether someone is bloody stupid or not.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Monday December 23 2019, @01:49AM (9 children)
The cops who shot that Rice boy in Cleveland also claimed to have told him to drop the gun. No bodycams, no video, the cops can make up any bullshit they want to make up. They barged in on a sleeping woman, and they expect her to be submissive, and compliant?
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday December 23 2019, @01:59AM (5 children)
Man, unless she was a vet with severe PTSD, nobody's reflex on waking up is to grab the shotgun leaned against their nightstand and point it at whatever woke them up before even getting out of bed. Odds are overwhelmingly in favor of her making a conscious if stupid decision. There's supposedly video though, so that should clear it up nicely.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 23 2019, @05:19AM (3 children)
There is a difference between being woken up by the bright and beautiful sunrise, with birds chirping merrily... and being woken up by people breaking in your door, pointing guns your direction, and screaming at you. For the latter, damn straight you grab the shotgun -- especially since people who aren't criminals never expect that cops are the ones breaking in.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday December 24 2019, @05:41AM (1 child)
People who are criminals generally yell "give me the money" or similar rather than "police, drop the weapon and get face down on the floor".
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 24 2019, @04:46PM
People who are cops yell like this:
Cop 1: Police!
Cop 2: Drop the weapon!
Cop 3: Down on the ground!
Cop 4: Show your hands!
and they're all yelling at the same time. None of it is going to be intelligible. But the object of the yelling isn't to get the victim to comply, but to get the cops off the hook for murder.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 26 2019, @01:51AM
I grab the shotgun and shoot the goddamned sunrise, rising before I am good and ready. Imperialist Authoritarian Trump supporters!
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 23 2019, @10:36AM
Not uniformed officers, easily identified as police. Plainclothes. Barge in, hollering and screaming, they see she has a gun, and shoot her. Note that she didn't get any shots off, they saw the gun and fired. I want to see the video, and hear the audio.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 23 2019, @02:03AM
why did the poorly trained cops barge in anyway? Playing hero??
IMO, surround the house (from behind cars or other suitable "armor" in case someone in the house starts shooting) then use a bull horn to say who you are looking for, and ask anyone else inside to come out slowly. No need for cops & robbers stereotypical violence.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 23 2019, @02:47AM (1 child)
This case, apparently, has video with audio that can be reviewed. At a minimum, the audio will let you know what they said in the exchange and how long it lasted.
But tell you what. In order to avoid this kind of problem in the future, the police will now mail all suspects a nice post card letting them know that the police plan to execute a warrant in the near future. The suspects can then call to schedule a time that works for them so the police can come and there is no worry of violence on either side.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 24 2019, @09:37PM
Or, they can stop breaking into people's houses and instead surround the area. Only an authoritarian would be okay with military-style police (though even the military shows more self-restrain than our cowardly thug officers most of the time). Mailing all suspects in advance would be silly, but still far preferable to what we have now, under the 'it's better for 10 guilty people to go free than for one innocent person to be sent to prison' principle. Yes, that applies very much to cops acting as judges, juries, and executioners, and creating situations that will result in people's unnecessary deaths.
This is the antithesis of a country that's supposed to be 'the land of the free and the home of the brave.' Where's your patriotism? Where's your love of freedom? Does it simply not exist?
(Score: 2) by Joe Desertrat on Saturday December 28 2019, @11:53PM (1 child)
I think the lesson is don't brandish a gun to defend yourself against armed intruders if you aren't going to shoot. We'll never know her thought processes, whether she knew they were cops or not, or whether she had something to hide or defend. But if someone is breaking into your home with weapons drawn, they are already of a mind to shoot if necessary. When they came upon her with weapons drawn, and if it is true they ordered her to drop he weapon and instead of that she pointed her gun at them, of course they are going to shoot. Real life isn't some cop show where the actors dramatically disarm a threat with witty dialog. It is human beings making often split second decisions based on the information they have on hand.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday December 29 2019, @03:01AM
I'd say don't even pick one up if you aren't willing to use it. At best it's going to be taken away and pointed at you. At worst, see TFA.
Now if you are going to use it, you have my full support in shooting as many police who have no valid reason to be kicking your door in as you like.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by FatPhil on Monday December 23 2019, @03:11AM (5 children)
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-where-the-police-force-does-not-carry-firearms.html
You do realiase that just running off to a historical document written in a different time and culture, and which may not be altered[*] by modern enlightened thinking is indistinguishable from a religious argument, don't you.
Your founding fathers in heaven said so, therefore so mote it be.
[* Yes, I get the irony, but do you?]
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday December 23 2019, @03:44AM
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2) by Arik on Monday December 23 2019, @05:10AM (3 children)
True of every historical document, by definition.
"which may not be altered[*] by modern enlightened thinking"
Show me some thinking which is both modern and enlightened?
It's better to have a system which isn't easily and quickly de-railed by the next fad.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday December 23 2019, @12:00PM (2 children)
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2) by Arik on Monday December 23 2019, @12:28PM (1 child)
It's not actually unchangeable, you know. Just not *easily* changeable.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 2) by dry on Tuesday December 24 2019, @03:03AM
American's do seem very reluctant to change it though, they'd rather some unelected old people whittle away at it, therefore getting rid of the rule of law in the name of the rule of law.
The 1st and 2nd amendments are pretty simple and really the only legal arguments that should be possible per the 2nd is what exactly is an arm, eg is poison gas covered by the 2nd? And whether it is just government that is restricted from infringing on the right or is it anyone? Historically there was also the question of what are people.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 23 2019, @05:06AM
Big metal robot suits, that is.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Mojibake Tengu on Monday December 23 2019, @07:33AM
was the one of she did not shoot the entry team quickly enough.
Remember: a lady with gun is always right.
The edge of 太玄 cannot be defined, for it is beyond every aspect of design
(Score: 4, Interesting) by shortscreen on Monday December 23 2019, @08:55AM (3 children)
In every case I hear about cops raiding/shooting up the wrong house/people their excuse always seems to be "drugs." Can't we hurry up and abandon the idea that this is a worthwhile reason to have execution squads running around?
(Score: 2) by takyon on Monday December 23 2019, @08:08PM
No, the War on Drugs provides jobs, bonus income, and drugs for needy policemen.
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(Score: 2) by dry on Tuesday December 24 2019, @03:05AM (1 child)
Can you think of a better/more acceptable reason to have execution squads running around?
(Score: 2) by shortscreen on Tuesday December 24 2019, @10:26PM
Sorry, I got nothin'
(Score: 1, Troll) by aristarchus on Thursday December 26 2019, @02:00AM (4 children)
Can't we just break in on Runaway, when he is holding congress with a sow, or something, and then shoot him when he refuses to droop his weapon, posing a lethal threat to all involved? At least it would mean an end to all these ammosexual, back-pages of American Ammosexual Riffleman, where there are letters that always start: "Dear gun fetishist, I never thought it would happen to me, but I had to kill nearly twenty people in the mall, in self-defense, who seemed like they were all conspiring against me, and withholding sex from me, and they were SJW NPC NNFs, and Normies".
Just shut the fuck up, Runaway. You know nothing about guns, nothing about law enforcement, and nothing about the constitution of the Fucked Up US! And your leakage is showing. Time to go change the Depends, and renew the NRA membershipl Basically, you know nothing about anything, but are painfully (or blissfully?) unaware of what you do not know. Merry Christmas, you pagan bastard!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 26 2019, @02:29AM (2 children)
Does aristarchus happen to be the half-goat, half-demon known as Krampus? Signs point to yes.
(Score: 1, Troll) by aristarchus on Thursday December 26 2019, @08:46AM (1 child)
goodDo not look behind you, AC! Your daemons, both Linux and BSD, be chroning up on your ass! I myself have gotten the precise GPS coordinates for certain Trialblazer, registered in a certain county in Arkansaws, where the Dark Shadows, and Trump Voters, lie. And, oh, how they do lie!
Now back to Runaway1957 and Animal Husbandry on YouTube Hillbilly channel. No censorship here, yeu betcha!
Good Old-Fashioned criminals who did not seek the limelight, and tried to have nothing to do with the Donald.
The "Donald", to distinguish from the "Don", who actually is the head of a crime syndnicate, and not some reality show wanna-be CEO, who is failing miserably. Poor Donald. Poor Runaway. Poor VLM! Poor khallow, well, not so much, but maybe a little. And Poor Frojack, missing these many months, to the denigration of SoylentNews.
Hey! Here on SolentNews, we can find out about all thse thing, even if they do not make sense to us since we do not ever grok the
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 26 2019, @06:53PM
. . .
OMG! Carrier lost! Transmission suspended! Interuption of communications can only mean one thing! They are censoring Aristarchus! #Freearistarchus!!!!1!!11!!!
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday December 29 2019, @03:03AM
You can't hold congress with a sow. Sows would be a drift, congress is baboons.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.