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Wednesday November 11, 20
01:24 PM
(in the loving memory of Runaway1956, who succumbed after a long battle to gatewaypundits. May his brain rest in peace, squeaky clean and smoothed over)
because "Doing your own research" is far easier nowadays than building the habit of thinking critically.
Add COVID-anxiety, a chaotic narcissistic Orange clown and compound with the lack of survival problems to solve for the everyday life in a westernized society and (where appropriate) a good dose of American exceptionalism.
the world’s slackening grip on reality
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innovate, v.:
To annoy people.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @02:00PM (45 children)
Reality is the one thing not affected by stupidity. I think Ricky Gervais said it best: If we burn all the books today, in 1000 years they can rewrite the science books more or less the same; religious books would all be different.
Maybe I'm an asshole, but if a "person" can't be bothered to figure out what's real, I can't be bothered about their well-being. I'll just pay some dude with a gun to protect/teach me how to use the gun if it comes to that.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday November 11 2020, @06:06PM (44 children)
We can avoid that disaster if we can all just agree that there is a shared objective reality and science is the closest approximation we have to describe that reality.
So......yeah.....my Krav Maga school offers gun classes and I get a $50 credit if I get a friend to sign up. You in the Denver area?
(Score: 4, Insightful) by DannyB on Wednesday November 11 2020, @07:46PM (43 children)
Problem: Some people put political ideology ahead of facts and reality.
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday November 11 2020, @08:01PM
It's all very natural, as gravity itself.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @08:19PM (39 children)
We all know you're referencing Rs and Trump, but the Ds do it too. Stop the onesidedness / hypocrisy. You Ds talk about Trump and his bad manners. Why don't you show us how it should be done? Because you might be reaping what you've been sowing.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @08:58PM (27 children)
Lock the AC up! Lock the AC up!
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday November 11 2020, @09:57PM (22 children)
The language of that post is exactly why the country is so deeply divided.
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @06:57AM (19 children)
Do you even read your own posts? The country is so deeply divided because you liberals have NO tolerance for any opinions other than your own. You really can't see that? Your way or the highway?
Because Trump is a tweeting nut, you think all conservatives agree and think like him? I guess I should start smoking what you're smoking. Oh, wait, maybe that's what got you so delusional. Nevermind, just keep smoking it.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by DannyB on Thursday November 12 2020, @03:05PM (18 children)
Instead of using "conservatives", I'll use the Republican brand name.
There are some R's who realize that the party has left them. That the R party no longer represents what was once "conservative" values of a few decades ago. These are the former Republicans.
The vast majority of those using the R brand name are the Trump cultists who are separated from reality and follow in lockstep with whatever Trump tweets. I feel sad for true rational people with conservative views who have been abandoned by their party.
Just look at a recent election map. All of that red is people using the R brand and calling themselves conservative.
The R's have no tolerance for any kind of difference. Not only a difference of opinion. But differences in skin color, national origin, religion, sexual orientation.
I'll select two examples:
1. abortion. There can be no middle ground to have legalized abortion with sane regulations.
2. guns. There can be no middle ground to regulate firearms with sane regulations. Especially keeping crazy people from having guns.
(interesting fact: there actually are democrats who own guns. They are not the ones that brag about it, or brandish firearms over some perceived provocation)
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @03:30PM (16 children)
The people I know say leave it up to the states. Then you can go live in a state with abortion and no guns, or vice versa. What's the problem?
They want diversity, not the one size fits all crappy-for-everyone monoculture that you want to force on everyone.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @06:00PM (7 children)
Some things are human rights. Abortion is a medical procedure that is a right for women. Live how you want, but guaranteeing rights for people is not a mono-culture oppression. We outlawed slavery, beheadings, and a variety of other cultural items that do not belong in a modern society.
If yiu want Chraria law then YOU can follow it as long as you don't force it on others.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @07:18PM (6 children)
I dont really care about abortion, but Ive seen it lead to severe depression and mental issues that last for decades.
I say do Kanye's solution. Give the mom an incentive not to do it, ie $50k/yr or $1 million until they turn 18.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday November 12 2020, @08:31PM (5 children)
If you don't care why are you incentivizing anything?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @09:40PM (4 children)
Maybe because it is bad for her mental health when a mom kills her own baby? Isn't that what I wrote?
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday November 12 2020, @10:20PM (1 child)
Maybe some moms wouldn't be killing their babies if they had birth control. And could afford birth control. Or could afford to even care for and feed a baby -- while having a job.
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @10:25PM
Did you even read what you are responding to? Or can you only parrot talking points that dont apply?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 13 2020, @07:46AM
But if that baby was Kanye, would it not work in reverse? I don't understand.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 13 2020, @07:51AM
Much better for the woman's mental health to keep the baby, and kill the father! Bite his fucking head off like a Royal Preying Mantis Momma! Yeah! You Rock, girl! So, the problem is not so much that we need to outlaw abortion, as we need to legalize any woman killing any fucking man, because he has it coming. Peace, at last. We start with the Catholic Priests, follow up with the tele-vangelicists, and finally end with ex-President of Liberty (alleged) University, Jerry Fallbad, Jr. Something about strangling the last something, with the entrails of the last other thing? It's famous. Look it up.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Thursday November 12 2020, @07:23PM (3 children)
The Constitution says we all have equal rights and protection under the law.
The problem is when states try to violate that equal protection because states are not allowed to violate the Constitution.
So for abortion, for example, can you think of a safe, regulatory-approved, surgery you could get a doctor to perform on you as a male that would require government approval?
And conversely, do you think it's a good thing for your doctor to violate your confidentiality to inform the government of your private medical decisions?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @07:29PM (2 children)
Can I think of a regulatory-approved surgery that requires government approval?
(Score: 3, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Thursday November 12 2020, @07:46PM (1 child)
Yes. You're semantics aren't even clever.
If it has ALREADY been approved by the government are there any other surgeries that require a SECOND government approval before you are allowed to get it?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @08:06PM
So you already know the answer is :
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday November 12 2020, @10:15PM (3 children)
Wiow. That sounds an awful lot like arguments I've heard about the civil war. The South was merely fighting for the right of a region to govern its own affairs and run their economy as they saw fit.
About guns: I don't want there to be NO guns. As I said somewhere, some democrats own guns. What I want is for crazy people to not have guns. And maybe a minimum level of marksmanship, just as a drivers license requires a minimal level of driving competency.
About abortions. I would prefer that there be no abortions ever. But I recognize that sometimes there are circumstances where a family is faced with a horrible decision. Like late in a pregnancy. If a women is waiting until late in the pregnancy to have an abortion, then it is obvious that she intended to give birth, and something has gone horribly wrong. A tragedy for the family. The government should stay out of it, and leave it to the doctor and the family to deal with. Someone who simply uses abortion as a form of birth control doesn't wait until late in the pregnancy and put themselves through all of the physical discomforts.
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @10:46PM (2 children)
So youve got no real solutions in mind. Just want to force your lifestyle on everyone else. No different than the religious freaks.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 13 2020, @08:16AM (1 child)
My lifestyle involves hunting and despatching deplorables. They made a documentary about it, called, "Columbine". Maybe you saw it. Not forcing my lifestyle, just targeting deplorables. World is better off, I am happy, win-win situation.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 13 2020, @09:26AM
So, you're an abortion doctor?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday November 13 2020, @12:25AM
As the dems did to the liberals. Yet the liberals linger for some reason. Both should form their own financial institutions and political parties. The public is ripe for something "new"
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @09:50AM (1 child)
What division? The red team and blue team agreed, put cell modems in the voting machines so elections have no legitimacy and they get 98.5% of the vote. They probably took 10 million of jorgenson's votes and gave them to biden then gave the Republicans the senate and more house seats.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @05:00PM
OK Comrade
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @12:21AM (3 children)
> Lock the AC up!
Nah, just rectify them.
(Score: 2) by deimtee on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:21AM (2 children)
You don't have the capacity. The resistance will stop you inducting them.
No problem is insoluble, but at Ksp = 2.943×10−25 Mercury Sulphide comes close.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @11:08AM
Q scholars have determined why Trump tower is hit by lightning just before pivotal events: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/214/676/8aa.jpg [kym-cdn.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 13 2020, @08:32AM
It is for micro-threads like this, that I come to SoylentNews. Well played, ECs!
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @09:02PM (10 children)
A) Ds not nearly to the same extent as Rs, by a huge margin
B) We tried to have good manners for most of the last 4 years, but
C) Legitimate complaints about Trump and his administration were met with "some people put[ting] political ideology ahead of facts and reality"
D) Full circle
Simple fact is that Rs are deep into fake news and authoritarianism. The problem is not with Ds right now, and continued gaslighting will only earn you further scorn. I think I speak for most liberals, we are done trying to compromise with bad faith entitled people who hypocritically give crimes and abuses of power a total pass when it is their team.
If you want to complain about instances of Ds being hypocrites then get your own house in order first. Until I see a conservative show some humility and admit to reality I will treat them as hostile agents.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @09:12PM
You're aiming for funny? Oh, shit, you're serious!
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Wednesday November 11 2020, @09:56PM (2 children)
Well said!
met with: TDS
Because you cannot criticize Trump.
I'm happy to blame the D's when they put ideology ahead of science, facts and reality. I would point out that Joe Biden stated his Covid-19
tragedystrategy would be solidly based on science. If we're all gonna die, it'll be based on science!FoxNews does not even make a pretense of trying to be fair. Or balanced. CNN does pretend to be fair. And pretends to be balanced.
I have not agreed with every policy decision of any president. Like Obama, for example. I don't like every single thing he did. But I liked a lot. With R's and especially Trump, it is a total religious cult mentality. There is nothing Trump can do or ever has done wrong. None. Zip. We're seeing his fascist streak trying to seize power, and his fascist followers are just fine with it.
Fixing that would go a very long way. But D's need to police their house also.
But we're wandering away from the problem of R's putting ideology ahead of facts, reality and science in a way and on a scale that the D's do not.
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @05:23PM (1 child)
I'll list what Trump did wrong:
1. bump stock ban, without making a good trade for it
2. appointed Sessions, and Wray
3. didn't put Epstein in protective custody with the US Marines doing 24x7 watch and feeding sealed randomly-selected MREs
Now you try. You should be able to come up with a half dozen Biden and Harris scandals that are worse then anything done by Trump, Reagan, or Nixon. You should be able to come up twenty Obama scandals at that level.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday November 12 2020, @08:33PM
You just listed what President Trump did wrong.
It is impossible for President Biden to have done anything wrong yet.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @09:56PM (3 children)
Nope. If anything, they are roughly equal in amount.
If spouting a constant stream of pure lies for four years is considered good manners then I'd hate to see what the D's would do if they were not trying to have good manners for the last four years. Oh, wait, we did get to see that this summer. All the D riots in major cities smashing glass and setting everything on fire.
Except you were doing exactly that. Every one of the lies the D's spouted for the last four years only happened because the D's ignored the facts that showed the lies were lies, and spouted the lies just the same. Example (the linchpin of the mess of lies): The fine people hoax. Totally a made up lie by D's created by ignoring the sentence a mere 20 or so words later in the same speech where they cut out the "fine people" part for supporting their lies.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @11:37PM (2 children)
OK Liar.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @03:31AM (1 child)
See this wikipedia page, in the "Third statement" section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_right_rally#Third_statement [wikipedia.org]
The entire transcript quotation can be read on Wikipedia, below the quotes are trimmed to just the important bits. The first bit, the quote that CNN ran with to create the lie that is the fine people hoax (italics on the part CNN ran with, bold face on the part they excluded to create the lie):
And, here is the part that CNN omitted, that shows that what they reported was and still is a lie:
Reporting just the first quote, and omitting the second quote, which was only a very short distance away from the first, is outright lying on CNN's part.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 13 2020, @08:37AM
So, the marginal Nazis and white supremacists, the alt-white, if you will, those are the fine people on the other side? When my grandpa was dropping bombs on Nazi Germans, no doubt there were some very fine people he blew to fucking bits. But, you know, they stood with the Nazis and white supremacists, or at least too close for a blockbuster to tell the difference. They were not fine people. They are Nazi and white supremacist sympathizers, as I can only image you are, you apologist for Nazis. Careful where you stand.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @07:15AM
Well at least you admit to where all the shitstorm is coming from. Okay, keep it up. It may go to literal civil war.
Or, you could try civility, but for some reason your side just aren't kind people.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday November 13 2020, @06:00AM
Being merely complicit is no better than being the ring leader.
Reelection of the same old shit is only making room for the next Trump, and if you think this one is bad...
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday November 11 2020, @08:34PM
Yes, that was the joke!
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @10:13PM
I'm afraid it's far worse than that.
Most people's belief systems -- be it religious belief, political ideology, etc. -- shape not only what they accept as reality, but what they can even perceive as reality. A good metaphor I've seen for this is "reality tunnel". Things that don't match up to the person's existing beliefs just don't make it through their reality tunnel. Have you ever stared, thunderstruck, at someone who just can't seem to even see what you're pointing out to them? Well, they can't see it. Literally, they can not perceive the event/object in the same way you do, because of their reality tunnel, filtering their perceptions to fit their beliefs.
Scott Adams has referenced the same thing using the metaphor of people being in the same theater, but watching different movies.
With practice, you can figure out when other people are filtering things through their reality tunnel. It's very difficult to figure out when you yourself are doing it.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Wednesday November 11 2020, @02:07PM (58 children)
What were the above rates before Covid-19? Depending on how the poll is structure, you can get large false positive rates just from bad polling design. I think it'd be educational to replace those questions by "Hope Not Hate" with other arbitrary questions and see if those 1 in 5 rates remain.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @02:23PM (14 children)
And depending on how and by whom the "news" media is controlled, you can control the masses. And we're witnessing it happening, but so many are duped and drinking the Kool-Aid.
(Score: 2, Touché) by khallow on Wednesday November 11 2020, @02:27PM (13 children)
It's even easier to control your own poll that justifies your existence.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by khallow on Wednesday November 11 2020, @02:51PM (12 children)
(Score: 4, Funny) by Mojibake Tengu on Wednesday November 11 2020, @04:33PM
https://www.disneyclips.com/images/images/mickey_king2.gif [disneyclips.com]
http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/8500000/King-Mickey-mickey-mouse-8526249-300-374.gif [fanpop.com]
https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7205/6923665069_c7390ca869_b.jpg [staticflickr.com]
There. Visual proofs Mickey is a King, not President.
The edge of 太玄 cannot be defined, for it is beyond every aspect of design
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @08:22PM
Polls are crumbling under their own weight. Nobody should listen to them. Let them wither and fade away.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Wednesday November 11 2020, @10:46PM (6 children)
khallow, you lazy bum, why do you stop at sowing mistrust in a study without reading it first, much less citing from it to point the flaws?
Go into sketching some alt-reality and then you give the "do your own research" shove. That's the way of WWG1WGA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 1, Redundant) by khallow on Wednesday November 11 2020, @11:50PM (3 children)
I already gave the reasons. Life's too short to read bad studies.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:01AM (2 children)
In the mind of khallow, all the studies are bad. He does not kneed to look, he just knows this a priori. A very stable genius, be the khallow!
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:19AM (1 child)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @10:44AM
Mit der
Dummheitkhallow kämpfen selbst Götter vergebens.(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @12:28AM (1 child)
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @07:18AM
What the arrogant liberal Aussie hasn't grasped is that his "research" is just him sucking the teet of liberal news spun up stories.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday November 12 2020, @04:47AM (2 children)
Of course you do. You are the khallow, no? How could you think otherwise?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:31PM (1 child)
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday November 12 2020, @06:29PM
You mad, bro?
Finally, we have reduced khallow to his ground position. Liberals do bad science, because they are liberals. Ad hominem much, khallow?
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @03:40PM (42 children)
From the referenced paper [hopenothate.org.uk]:
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday November 11 2020, @05:14PM (41 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @05:41PM (40 children)
Yeah. And I might or might not be writing in English.
Yo no se.
You're making the claim that the methodology is a lie. Where is the *evidence* for that claim?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @05:44PM
No see, when it comes to conspuracy theories the only important part IS the accusation! Finding out if they are right or wrong just ruins the mystery......
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday November 11 2020, @05:47PM (38 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @05:52PM (4 children)
Six bitcoins [xe.com] says the methodology in the paper was the methodology used to collect the data reported.
Are you ready to put your money where your mouth is, or are you just blathering as usual?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @12:28AM (3 children)
Second, the paper is strictly an opinion piece with no polling data provided for the alleged study (no citation of any sort, not even the name of the above provider of the poll). It's already in violation of the conditions they outline because there's no way in that paper to verify that the polls (there are at least two described in the paper) are as claimed or even exist in the first place. I think some of the details claimed indicate that there's some sort of real world poll somewhere, but it's interesting how little data there actually is about the poll or who did it.
There are indications of deep problems with the quality of the data. For example (page 27):
In other words, 30% of the people who allegedly support QAnon have never even heard of the group.
Also from the earlier quoted boilerplate of the poll, we have this key phrase: "using an online panel of respondents". Since QAnon is an online phenomenon, you are polling by one of the key characteristics that will bias the study - online people are vastly more likely to have heard of the theory than people who aren't online. They aren't polling the "British mainstream", they're polling some people who have access to that online panel and then extending their results to a hypothetical British mainstream, but extending across with a key bias of the data.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @05:05AM (2 children)
So you're not willing to put your money where your mouth is. That's quite telling.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:14PM
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @02:04PM
Third, too much money. I have experience with bets that can be thrown arbitrarily because there's enough money to make it worthwhile. $95k would be way more than needed to bribe various parties (particularly the judge) to throw the bet one way or another.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @05:55PM (15 children)
That's not *evidence*. That's rank speculation [gfycat.com] without any factual basis.
Evidence, motherfucker. Do you have any?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday November 11 2020, @06:17PM (14 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:07AM (13 children)
One of the primary symptoms of dis-associative Schizophrenia is mistaking rank speculation for fact, and bias confirmation for evidence. And then there is
Mayo Clinic [mayoclinic.org]
Late it maybe too for khallow already.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:31AM (12 children)
There you go. Facts not rank speculation. Perhaps you have better things to do than a 1984-style pathologizing of rational discussion?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:53AM (3 children)
So let me get you straight, khallow: Hope Not Hate is the antifa, so they are connected to the Cosmic Ping-pong Pizza, which is run by the Illuminati, which is only a front for the Lizard people who live inside the hollow earth, and Bennu. Does that about sum up your argument?
Or are you just upset that they are not Nazis?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @02:19AM
No you fool! It's the weather war! khallow intends to use ICE machines to raise the average global temperature by 3°C by 2100, causing more frequent natural disasters and mass migrations leading to armed conflicts and war! The underground lizard people in the hollow earth supply him with the foul ichors that run his ICE machines!
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @02:26AM
Sounds pretty crooked to me.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @09:53PM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @03:27AM (7 children)
Unnamed? not so much:
https://www.hanburystrategy.com/ [hanburystrategy.com]
Is it painful talking out of your ass like that?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @07:09AM
Nonsense. "Hanbury" isn't a name at all, thus they remain unnamed. You might fool Brits with that, but any American can spot it as made-up gibberish.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:25PM (5 children)
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @08:25PM (1 child)
Cui Bono? Follow the money! Woodward, Bernstein, and khallow have uncovered a massive conspiracy to make money by criticizing the QAnon wacko conspiracy theory! They stand to make so much money! It's just like all those AGW proponents, who are doing it only to sell more black baby abortions, and the doctors reporting Covid-19 as cause of death because then they get Green Stamps. Funny how Republicans (and their less intelligent Libertarian hangers-on) can only imagine one singular motivation for any human action: Greed. Now we know that khallow is a disciple of Gordon Gecko, "Greed is good!"
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @09:49PM
I wouldn't call it massive. It's the same low grade trolling game that PETA does. And given how public they are about it, I wouldn't call it a conspiracy either.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday November 13 2020, @12:41AM (2 children)
Anti-QAnon? No... It's advertisement for QAnon. Make them bigger than they are. Give them some much needed attention. All you people are playing your poly-sci theater while they count the money.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday November 13 2020, @01:38AM (1 child)
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday November 13 2020, @01:47AM
We can do like that "Kevin Bacon" thing. How many degrees of separation are there between them and Soros/Koch/Murdoch? As you know, nothing happens without money...
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 4, Touché) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday November 11 2020, @07:10PM (16 children)
Smart money would be on the proposition that nobody would believe that Q-Anon nonsense, and yet here we are.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday November 11 2020, @07:48PM (15 children)
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday November 11 2020, @08:22PM (12 children)
I'm not sure I agree, based on the number of Facebook posts I see about "Covid Camps" and "Child Cannibalism" and other nonsense that have 10's of thousands of likes and comments.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday November 11 2020, @11:03PM (10 children)
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday November 11 2020, @11:29PM (9 children)
What do you think they mean?
It is something people are talking about.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @12:30AM (5 children)
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday November 12 2020, @12:53AM (4 children)
Have you not been paying attention?
Go back to the top of the page and see if you get the point of C0lo's journal entry.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:00AM (3 children)
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday November 12 2020, @02:50AM (2 children)
You would.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @04:52AM (1 child)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @08:41PM
Three facebook posts, to one khallow. Hmm, who to believe? Majority rules? This is a democracy, after all.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:03AM (2 children)
"People"?
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @03:17PM (1 child)
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday November 12 2020, @05:08PM
For facebook, the bots aren't really a problem. Besides all this "troll" stuff, the bots keep ad rates up. Just print the appropriate disclaimers and carry on.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 13 2020, @09:27AM
I think the fact that the basement at comet pizza was so well hidden that no-one could find it is proof that there was something evil going on in it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @09:02PM (1 child)
That's what they want you to think! There, see, your mind has been poisoned! By Fox! Or Breitbart! Or NYT! Or something.
did I get that right? this stuff is getting so twisted and confusing
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @09:52PM
That is what khallow wants you to think!! He is one of them! Don't trust him! khallow may even be Q hisself!!
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday November 11 2020, @05:54PM (29 children)
Can anyone cite a time in history when people DID NOT have a favorite conspiracy theory? "Slackening grip on reality" the title says. My question is, when has mankind ever had a grip on reality?
Isn't Qanon just a recycled old idea? Whatever happened to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion? Or the Illuminati? And, the Masons - I guess they have been rehabilitated, right?
Movement. Humanity has another collective bowel movement, and mankind collectively has to examine the results. Long and round, tapered on the ends. Mostly smooth and brown, with a few chunky bits, and possessing an odor slightly different than recent movements.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories [wikipedia.org]
Wikipedia has an incomplete list of older conspiracy theories. Some have more evidence to support them, others have less evidence. Mehhh. Wiki leaves out a lot of older theories, some of which had impacts on history. How 'bout the Sinking of the Maine?
One nice thing about conspiracy theories is, they lend themselves well to the writing of novels.
Have any good novels been written about that whole Russian Collusion with Trump conspiracy theory? How about that Alt-Right conspiracy theory that a certain Soylentil has obsessed over for years now? I guess c0lo is going to jump into the Qanon rabbit hole, and see where it takes him. I won't be surprised if he comes face to face with Aristarchus down there. All those rabbit holes are connected, eventually. Qanon and Alt-right are in the same neighborhood after all.
https://www.butte.edu/departments/cas/tipsheets/thinking/conspiracy.html [butte.edu]
https://owlcation.com/social-sciences/A-Brief-History-of-Conspiracy-Theories [owlcation.com]
One might suspect that conspiracy theories satisfy some psychological need of the human animal.
I find it kinda amusing that left/dem/progressive conspiracy theorists don't put their own thories forward, so much as they follow and theorize about those theories that are preoccupying centrist and right wing people. You guys are lacking in originality, aren't you? Come up with your own theories for a change.
Oh, wait. My bad. You HAVE come up with one, haven't you? That whole Critical Race Theory is a progressive conspiracy theory. Everything in history - that is everything - has been built on the black man's back, by evil white people. Sorry, gotta give credit where credit is due - you guys can be creative.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @06:23PM (14 children)
God damn yiu're stupid. Maybe god bless? You make for a good warning example of what Fox News and, somehow, less reputable newz sources can do to a brain.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday November 11 2020, @08:08PM (4 children)
I just realized something. Some of you people are quite young. Over and over again, you make silly statements which imply that an old man like myself has formed his attitudes and opinions, all based on Fox News. You youngsters seem to believe that Fox is some kind of old establishment news source or something.
Fox is only 24 years old. Did you realize that? And, additionally,
CNN is only 40 years old.
Me, stupid? If you say so. Then again, I formed my world view before there was a CNN, or a Fox, or even an internet. Each of those, in turn, has influenced my world view, of course. But, some of you younger people never even had to form a world view. Your world views have been spoon fed to you by the likes of CNN and all the rest of main stream media.
Hearing you kids harping on Fox News is similar to - ohhhh - maybe being accused of forming a world view based on Uber press releases. It's just too damned silly to take seriously. The common refrain of "OK, Boomer" makes more sense than all the silly shit about Fox.
Now, would you please get off the lawn?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @08:27PM (1 child)
The overly ego-inflated youngsters don't read Fox news at all. If they did for 4 minutes, they'd realize all the shit they spout about Fox is, well, shit. They're suckling on the teets of liberal news media that tells them lies about Fox. Wanna get the most downmods the fastest? Say anything negative about their precious source of energy, strength, and hope: liberal news media.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @09:05PM
^ insanity
*pads the room*
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday November 11 2020, @08:45PM
Interesting. Oxycontin is only 24 years old too.
Coincidence? I think not!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @08:55PM
Amazing when that happens, idn't it? Espeically to one so dense as Runaway.
I thought that was the premise we were starting from, it having been proven time and time again on this site.
OK, Boomer!
*if all the things he's lost, Runaway misses his mind the most. Rupert Murdock took it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @08:30PM (7 children)
You go Azuma!
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday November 11 2020, @10:13PM (6 children)
That wasn't me and you can ask the admin team for the hashes of that comment and this one to prove it.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:01AM (4 children)
Perhaps you just post from behind a proxy to cover your tracks. It sure wouldn't be the first time you weren't honest about stuff.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @05:56AM (2 children)
Twas me you paranoid stalker. Azuma does a better job of spell checking her posts.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @07:47AM (1 child)
Seemed like the misspelling was intentional in her style of mockery.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Friday November 13 2020, @08:43AM
No, that is mine. But it wasn't me, either. Could it be, that there is a Soylentil consensus, that it is time for Runaway, to take a break?
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday November 12 2020, @10:22AM
I don't need to resort to that kind of underhanded bullshit. My posts and opinions can stand on their own, without obfuscation or the need for astroturfing or sockpuppets. Which is more than people like you can say. I know, in a world as completely crooked and twisted and utterly helical as this one, seeing a straight shooter like me is unsettling. What you see is what you get though.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @07:23AM
Oh no! Azuma 3.0 now? Still in training of course.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @10:50AM
For Runaway, it was just a Gateway. A Gateway to the GatewayPundit. And James
O'ReillyO'Keefe of Project Mendacity [nytimes.com].(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @09:44PM (10 children)
Great post! Your comments are always spot on!
The left applies the label of 'conspiracy theory' to any uncomfortable truth they wish to censor. I'll provide a dose of truth in this post, but I'm sure I'll just end up at -1, anyway.
America is under attack. Niggers, kikes, wetbacks, towelheads, chinks, japs, dune coons, pakis, curry munchers, gooks, injuns, and all other darkies hate America. They are actively attempting to subvert democracy and destroy the civilized society we have built. I hate all darkies, but only because they hate all of us and our great nation. My hate is strong and I'm damned proud of it. In fact, my hate is getting stronger as I talk to you people. However, I'm not racist and there's nothing racist about my post. The left will try to discredit me by accusing me of being racist and of spreading conspiracy theories. They don't want you to know the truth so they use labels like 'racist' and 'conspiracy theory' to censor those truths.
At least there's hope for America. Joe Biden is on our side and I'm proud to have voted for him. Donald Trump has proved incredibly useless at protecting America from darkies. The courts have repeatedly overturned his travel bans, attempts to build the wall, and detention of the wetback terrorists constantly streaming across the southern border. In 2016, everyone laughed at me when I voted for Hillary Clinton and noted that she would have far more effectively controlled the threat posed by darkies than anything Trump has ever done. That's the same reason I voted for Biden.
I know the left will attack me and claim that Kamala Harris proves that this is a conspiracy theory. They couldn't be more wrong. This is a genius move for Biden. He appointed a nigger and curry muncher to be vice president, a position that has no real power. Darkies are stupid and will believe that Biden is on their side while he will actually crack down on them and the crime and disease they bring into our communities.
Just as you said, the left labels the truth as a 'conspiracy theory' to cover it up and silence everyone who disagrees with them. Great post!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @10:01PM (4 children)
Not krauts, haggis eaters, or leprechauns? Or do those fall under other?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @04:42AM (3 children)
I think you can separate them on the basis of cuisine. The groups the GP mentioned all have interesting and very tasty food, the best yours ever came up with was haggis, sauerkraut, and irish stew.
(although Guinness redeems the leprechauns slightly.)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @06:34AM (2 children)
How about the wops then?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @07:14AM (1 child)
I don't think anybody mentioned them, but they have excellent food also. Some nice wines too.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @07:55AM
and women, and cars, and architecture and statues and frescoes and art and glass blowing and Colosseums and popes and canals and volcanos and volcanic ash buried towns and boat building and mafia, but not that, there's no such thing, but a big boot kicking an island, and aqueducts and catacombs and amphora and butt pinching and catcalls and singers and music and ...
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday November 11 2020, @10:08PM (1 child)
Dude, you're pretty far out in the field there. I don't even know which field you're in. Taking your post at face value - why do you hate all those people you name? It's mostly rich white bastards who are fucking America up, not your assorted non-white groups.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Subsentient on Thursday November 12 2020, @09:19AM
Bravo. I wish more of the far-right people realized that. Eat the rich.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." -Jiddu Krishnamurti
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @11:40PM
Why do you hate America?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @02:34AM
That's a pretty close example to the mind twists in the QAnon circles. Except possible for using Biden and bashing Trump.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @07:57AM
The word you seek is "parasites".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @03:06AM (2 children)
As a conspiracy theorist/internet folklorist, I think those qualify as conspiracy theories. There are also the conspiracy theories the Democratic Party likes to advance about "rape culture" and the lack of menstrual programmers.
Don't get me wrong, I just wish that the Democratic Party would stop making your job so easy, is all.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday November 12 2020, @10:24AM (1 child)
Kurenai, please explain something to me: you are trying to get a woman's body. You want to be a woman. Yet, you drip misogynistic venom like this on a daily basis. Do you really not see the fundamental inconsistency there? Why are you trying to become what you seem to hate?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 4, Funny) by FatPhil on Thursday November 12 2020, @11:15AM
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @09:11PM (6 children)
Well, not exactly as planned, they hoped the election would be a lot closer to give their lawsuits merit, but now we have a dangerously unhinged person as acting secretary of defense.
If we're very lucky they will only be able to cause a bit of a ruckus, but given Pompeo's statements it seems clear they plan on subverting the election.
#TotallyNotFascist
#Sarcasm
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @09:52PM (5 children)
#NotMyDictator
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @12:19AM (4 children)
#NotMyTreason
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @04:51AM (3 children)
#NotMyTraitorousDictator
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @06:39AM (2 children)
#NoAmericanDictator
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @07:16AM (1 child)
#TouchMe
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @10:53AM
#TouchMeToo, but not right now, and not like that. Pervert. Now we return to our regularly scheduled attempted Republican Coup d' etat.
(Score: 2) by Subsentient on Thursday November 12 2020, @09:16AM (7 children)
Reading the comments here are... well... painful. A lot of the statements just lack a total sense of awareness or sense of irony. I'm not gonna name names, but the actual views some of you hold, the way you look at the world.... it's so distorted and detached from reality, it genuinely causes a wave of sadness to wash over me.
God, it's so depressing. This isn't going to end well, for anybody.
I might break my vow to never return to 4chan, just to go on /pol/ and spread an even more outlandish theory to discredit QAnon. Perhaps the only thing that can defeat bullshit, is even more feculent bullshit.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." -Jiddu Krishnamurti
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @10:16AM
I am also saddened by how easy it is to divert the world from the truth.
all these people believing that Trump is fighting the pedophiles.
this is what happens when you allow lizard people to spray chemtrails over everyone.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday November 12 2020, @10:27AM (5 children)
I will name names. In this thread, Mr. Hallow is the worst offender, followed by Runaway and trailed a distant third by Uzzard, who at this point is like Eth and can't tell reality from his own "trolling" any longer. Why not name names? Not saying name and shame, since "shame" presupposes these skinwalkers are capable of social interaction, but why not call it out?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Subsentient on Thursday November 12 2020, @12:01PM (1 child)
Because I don't want to make a bunch of enemies all at once :^P
Arguing with deluded people almost never works. I've tried, oh god I've tried. It's futile. They usually get angry and decide you're the one in the wrong immediately after, even if you were only trying to help.
I know that from personal experience arguing with people with things ranging from schizophrenia to dementia, and personal experience with OCD.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." -Jiddu Krishnamurti
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday November 12 2020, @10:03PM
What are they going to do to you exactly? Bitch and moan and whine that mean nasty ol' Subsentient is calling them out on their bullshit?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Touché) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:36PM (2 children)
Once again, details please. I'll note yet again that we have an opinion paper based on two flimsy polls and David Icke quotes being treated by some people as truth. A narrative isn't truth automatically just because it's a cool story, bro.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 13 2020, @08:47AM (1 child)
Shut up, khallow. You know that thing we talked about? And you wanted me to remind you when you were doing it again? You're doing it again.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday November 13 2020, @02:29PM
Nope. I don't know what you're talking about. You're AC, remember?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday November 13 2020, @12:55AM (2 children)
We're only in it for the money
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Friday November 13 2020, @08:50AM (1 child)
I had money. But you know, the money I had, is now worth more as antiques than it was as money. Funny how these things work out. And even moreso, thieves sometimes melt down ancient coins for the metal value, which is like 1/10 of the value of the original coins, less if they are silver or electrum. So, really, it is not about the money. Money comes and goes, but wisdom and knowledge remain.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday November 13 2020, @02:42PM
They do that to make it harder to trace. They still make a profit, or they wouldn't go through the trouble.
Smoke and mirrors. Man's advantage is his opposable thumb.
"Reality" is a game of *play along to get along* Otherwise, eyewitness testimony would be 100% reliable, and the "law" would not be subject to interpretation.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..