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Sunday February 14, 21
07:30 AM
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Says Sen Cruz - you're despicable

As I’ve said repeatedly, what we saw on January 6 was a despicable terrorist attack on the United States Capitol and those who carried it out should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Unfortunately, this impeachment trial did nothing to bring the domestic terrorists who committed this heinous attack to justice.

How many axles on that bus he's throwing them followers under?

Meanwhile, forget making America grate again, the deplorables are rejoicing "My ass got acquitted" - bottom line, fuck America, it's Trump that matters.

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  • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 14 2021, @01:21PM (13 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 14 2021, @01:21PM (#1112752)

    There were hundreds of thousands of protesters that showed up to DC on the 6th. Of those, a negligible fraction would participate in the rioting at the capitol. And even of the rioters, a tiny fraction of those guys would do anything beyond running around taking selfies.

    People who did illegal stuff should be prosecuted. Those who did not, should not. He's not throwing anybody under the bus other than those that broke the law. And you know the reason there's no case of criminal incitement? Or why only a tiny handful of the protesters have been charged with anything? Because the vast majority didn't break the law. During the event, many of the protesters who were there thought the people engaging in violent/riotous activity were Antifa. They weren't (for the most part), but the point of this is that it's not like everybody just has some hivemind. People think for themselves. Something more people should try.

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Sunday February 14 2021, @03:11PM (9 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 14 2021, @03:11PM (#1112788) Homepage Journal

      That, exactly. Some number of assholes committed prosecutable crimes. How many? At a rough guess, 200 or less. It's hard to put a number on them, because we don't have access to full coverage of everyone who entered the Capitol.

      Dems would have us believe that every single person who entered the Capitol was guilty of a long, long list of crimes. They forget that the Capitol Police opened the doors, and ushered people into the Capitol. The majority, maybe the vast majority, of people who entered the building committed no crime at all.

      That scene where a cop was being beaten, and being crushed in a door? That was pretty bad. How many people involved? Possibly 50. Those other assholes ransacking offices? Maybe another 15 or 20 people? Everyone else just looked like your typical tourist, to be perfectly honest.

      There was obviously NOT the insurrection and "sacking" that the Dems would like us to believe.

      Those ubiquitous cellphone cameras make it difficult to create the narrative the Dems want.

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      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 14 2021, @05:37PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 14 2021, @05:37PM (#1112838)

        A failed insurrection is still an insurrection. This strategy of denying reality, like you did for all of 45's time in politics, just shows how bereft if integrity you are.

        • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 14 2021, @06:33PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 14 2021, @06:33PM (#1112863)

          You should do some research, to see what a real insurrection looks like. I didn't see a single machete being wielded against Democrat senators. Not one. There were no burnt out cop cars, like in Portland or a dozen other cities throughout the summer. One dead cop, one protester shot by a cop, and something close to a half dozen deaths that might be attributed to old worn out Boomers stroking out in all the excitement.

          • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @03:13AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @03:13AM (#1113009)

            The failure just illustrates how pathetic you fascist droids are, it does not change the definition of words or the meaning of attacking your capitol to overthrow the government. But hey, I'm responding to a trumper that wants to excuse his criminal Dear Leader, so reality isn't a viable tactic.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 17 2021, @03:22AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 17 2021, @03:22AM (#1113910)

              Fascist?

              I don't really recall them pushing hard for a fascist ideology. I don't remember them calling for the establishment of a deep social safety net for their favoured group, or the suspension of due process, or outlawing competing ideologies.

              I think you have your definitions wrong.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 14 2021, @06:34PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 14 2021, @06:34PM (#1112864)

          Yeah man. It's like that time Che Guevara and a handful of guys, armed mostly with just some polaroids, marched into a parliament building, with the officials even letting them in, and pretend to be clueless. But then they threw down the cameras and kung fu'd the fuck out of everybody, took out the entire police and military, and took over the whole country. It was epic. And pretty much happened just like this.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @06:28AM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @06:28AM (#1113072)

        Over five hundred, by the FBI's count. And you are not yet in there, Runaway? Patience! Evidently incitement is not as big a crime as actual insurrection. When did Arkansas decide to be Confederate, anyway?

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Monday February 15 2021, @06:57AM (2 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday February 15 2021, @06:57AM (#1113081) Homepage Journal

          The FBI can't count, they can't tell 50 from 500. When was the last time they recovered an explosive that they didn't plant on some village idiot? They're good at recovering bombs that they plant themselves. The problem is, the FBI has been infiltrated by the DNC, so they're a bunch of cucks playing Secret Agent games.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iaR3WO71j4 [youtube.com]

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 16 2021, @02:38AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 16 2021, @02:38AM (#1113438)

            Can't count? Says the dude that underestimated the population of China by an order of magnitude? You are an idiot, Runaway, just the kind of idiot that gets swept up in Federal Law Enforcement Dragnets. Did you ask your boss if it was OK to take that vacation in Mexico, yet?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 16 2021, @09:43PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 16 2021, @09:43PM (#1113830)

            Per the Law of Conservative Projection we see that the FBI was infiltrated by alt-right repugnicans trying to subvert democracy. Thanks for letting us know what's up runadouche.

    • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday February 15 2021, @09:24AM (2 children)

      by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Monday February 15 2021, @09:24AM (#1113096) Homepage
      How are you defining "negligible"? Because that minority of the crowd still managed to engage in pretty significant events, don't you agree? Or is the storming of your parliament not considered significant any more, it's not even news-worthy?
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      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday February 15 2021, @03:05PM (1 child)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday February 15 2021, @03:05PM (#1113153) Journal
        Newsworthy? Yes. Significant? No.
        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 16 2021, @05:37PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 16 2021, @05:37PM (#1113696)

          Fascists attack your capitol to overthrow a democrstically elected government while shouting to murder the vice president you lrobably voted for, and that is not significant? At least now we know your basic judgment is as reliable as TMB's compassion.

  • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Sunday February 14 2021, @02:37PM (5 children)

    by fustakrakich (6150) on Sunday February 14 2021, @02:37PM (#1112772) Journal

    Let's not stay in gridlock over some fat slob

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    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Sunday February 14 2021, @10:32PM (4 children)

      by c0lo (156) on Sunday February 14 2021, @10:32PM (#1112931) Journal

      Trump who?

      That Trump who will try to get back in the US' saddle in 2024.
      And against who the video clips that were presented in the last impeachment will be played in the electoral campaign.
      A fact that may indeed result in 71% usians picking another candidate [reuters.com] if a decent one is on offer.

      Let's not stay in gridlock over some fat slob

      What is that gridlock that you mention?

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      • (Score: 2, Informative) by fustakrakich on Monday February 15 2021, @12:43AM

        by fustakrakich (6150) on Monday February 15 2021, @12:43AM (#1112962) Journal

        What is that gridlock that you mention?

        Senate is still in gridlock over covid relief, and they're taking next week off. Attempting to do Shakespeare for five days is exhausting!

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      • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday February 15 2021, @12:53AM (2 children)

        by fustakrakich (6150) on Monday February 15 2021, @12:53AM (#1112968) Journal

        Oh, forgot about this

        A fact that may indeed result in 71% usians picking another candidate if a decent one is on offer.

        As long as people wait for mass media to spoon feed them a candidate that suits the sponsors, it will only get worse. They are on their own to seek somebody out and do his campaigning for him

        By the way, they constantly reedit those articles. I didn't see those numbers in there.

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        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday February 15 2021, @01:04AM (1 child)

          by c0lo (156) on Monday February 15 2021, @01:04AM (#1112970) Journal

          By the way, they constantly reedit those articles. I didn't see those numbers in there.

          I still see

          When asked what they thought of Trump’s role, 30% of Americans said he was “fully” responsible...
          Another 25% said he was largely responsible, 16% said he was partially responsible, and the remaining 29% said they thought Trump was not at all responsible for the attack that left five people dead.

          Granted, I was lazy and did 100 - 29 = 71 rather than add al the numbers that assign some (or all) responsibility to Trump.

          And then there's this:

          Fifty-three percent said Trump should be barred from holding public office again, while 39% said he should be allowed to.

          Withing the margin of error (998 adults), Trump would lose in a landslide today.

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Gaaark on Sunday February 14 2021, @02:52PM (20 children)

    by Gaaark (41) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 14 2021, @02:52PM (#1112778) Journal

    An overweight black security guy had more courage than all those white, priveliged GOP senators who acquitted Trump (and so much more than McConnel).... What's that tell you?

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    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Sunday February 14 2021, @02:57PM

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Sunday February 14 2021, @02:57PM (#1112782) Journal

      What's that tell you?

      Well, it reflects poorly on the people that support them and majority rule in general, but they don't seem to care much.

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    • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 14 2021, @03:35PM (17 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 14 2021, @03:35PM (#1112795)

      I don't know what it says beyond the fact that you've been rather brainwashed to randomly bring race into everything. Race is not a factor in things like. And many senators come from working class backgrounds, including those that are Republican. Just because somebody has a different political worldview than you doesn't mean they fit into some stereotyped mold that your media would like to convince you to believe.

      • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Sunday February 14 2021, @04:59PM (16 children)

        by Gaaark (41) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 14 2021, @04:59PM (#1112827) Journal

        A black man faces a riot of white rednecks who may want to kill him and that doesn't show courage? It doesn't matter that he's black except that hes facing a shit-ton of white people who may only see him as less than a piece of shit. THAT IS COURAGE.

        Meanwhile, Mitch believes Trump's guilty but doesn't have the spine to vote that way.

        Overweight black guy 1... priveliged white guy 0.

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        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 14 2021, @05:19PM (10 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 14 2021, @05:19PM (#1112835)

          Imagine we saw a scene during the BLM protests where a white officer stood up against a hoard of black rioters and you had somebody now claiming: "A white man faces a riot of black [insert soft racial pejorative] who may want to kill him and that doesn't show courage? It doesn't matter that he's white except that he's facing a shit-ton of black people who may only see him as less than a piece of shit. THAT IS COURAGE."

          There's a good general guideline I wish more people considered. If you simply change the nouns in your statement and it suddenly sounds racist, then it was racist all along. An increasingly large number of people, yourself clearly among them, are becoming increasingly racist because it's trendy. But I don't think most people realize this. It's the scary thing about group mentality. Individuals just move with the momentum of the crowd, often without ever realizing what they're becoming.

          • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Sunday February 14 2021, @09:56PM (9 children)

            by Gaaark (41) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 14 2021, @09:56PM (#1112923) Journal

            No, see, you're just dancing: Mitch McConnell thinks Trump started the whole thing, yet he didn't have the courage to stand behind it and vote to impeach. He didn't do his job to protect democracy.

            A man faced a very large group of people who may have wanted to see him dead and he did his job: protecting the senators and democracy.

            That second man had more courage.

            "A white man faces a riot of black [insert soft racial pejorative] who may want to kill him and that doesn't show courage? It doesn't matter that he's white except that he's facing a shit-ton of black people who may only see him as less than a piece of shit. THAT IS COURAGE."

            Yeah: he'd have more courage than McConnel and the GOP's too.

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            • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Sunday February 14 2021, @10:36PM (8 children)

              by c0lo (156) on Sunday February 14 2021, @10:36PM (#1112932) Journal

              Mitch McConnell thinks Trump started the whole thing, yet he didn't have the courage to stand behind it and vote to impeach.

              I can still see a point in his "with this precedent opened, we may start thinking to impeach Hillary or Obama".
              Because, looking to US politics from outside, I got that impression of it being FUBAR-ed.

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @12:49AM (7 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @12:49AM (#1112965)

                ...impeach Hillary or Obama...

                This is nonsense. Hillary was never president, so a presidential impeachment could never be conducted on her. Obama served his eight years in office, and is ineligible to run for president again - therefore it would be pointless to impeach him - unless there were some behavior revealed that was so heinous that a precedent against it needed to be set, and history be written about it. If so, have at him.

                I am actually fine with impeaching any one-term ex-president if damning evidence came to light - say like selling presidential pardons at $2M/each - so that a crook might be prevented from running for office in the future.

                In fact, no one in the congress should have the least hesitation to initiate a third or fourth impeachment proceeding against our last president if evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors is found, either to set precedent or prevent a proven scoundrel from taking the office in the future.

                Mitch misses this.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @04:49AM (6 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @04:49AM (#1113047)

                  Read the constitution [cornell.edu] sometime.

                  The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

                  We just took a piss on the constitution by setting the precedent that a private citizen can be impeached, so now anybody who has ever in their life been a "civil officer of the United States" can be impeached. That would most certainly include Clinton and Obama.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @05:12AM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @05:12AM (#1113052)

                    A shitting too, as the POTUS is inviolable in January by this precedent. A wee more intelligent one than the stable genius could do wonders for the next coup.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @05:14AM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @05:14AM (#1113053)

                    Here's a clue. If you don't want to be impeached, avoid committing high crimes and misdemeanors while in office.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @10:56AM (3 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @10:56AM (#1113109)

                    What private citizen was impeached? Even if there is some sort of limitation on when impeachment can occur, said impeachment happened before noon on Inauguration Day while Trump was still president.

                    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday February 15 2021, @05:17PM (2 children)

                      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday February 15 2021, @05:17PM (#1113204) Journal
                      This. Trump was still president. Constitution not violated.
                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 16 2021, @02:41AM (1 child)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 16 2021, @02:41AM (#1113441)

                        McConnell refused to convene, until he was no longer president, so they would have a procedural argument to acquit! Trump was never tried on the merits of the case! It was all dismissed by Republicans on standing! Which is strange, when you realize how little Republicans stand for, or under stand.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 14 2021, @05:25PM (4 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 14 2021, @05:25PM (#1112837)

          To further emphasize the point of all of this, the only non-protester/rioter that was killed in this was Officer Brian Sicknick - a white Trump supporting police officer. It emphasizes that ideology and race have fuck all to do with anything in stuff like this. Yet it's so interesting in that if he had to be a black democrat, the media (and you) would have framed it as a vile racist attack. It's all so childish and trite.

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday February 14 2021, @05:44PM (3 children)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 14 2021, @05:44PM (#1112844) Journal
            While it may still count as murder, it turns out that Officer Sicknick died afterward due to a stroke, not due directly to assault (though he was hit with pepper spray twice which could have killed him). Apparently, the guy hit with a fire extinguisher was either somebody else or a cool story.
            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 14 2021, @06:30PM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 14 2021, @06:30PM (#1112862)

              khallow level lies? Concussion, hit in the head with a fire extinguisher, repeatedly. Is this the latest version of the Charlottesville "Untie the Right" murder defense? "Oh, they died of a heart attack, not of being run over with a vehicle by a white supremacist scumbag of a neo-nazi!" Next, Kyle's victims actually died of exsanguinization, not being shot with a miltiary-grade weapon! Lies, khallow, you are telling lies again, fed to you by your Republican masters.

              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday February 15 2021, @01:34AM (1 child)

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday February 15 2021, @01:34AM (#1112985) Journal

                khallow level lies?

                Hmmm? Coherence isn't there. Are you trying to say something?

                Lies, khallow, you are telling lies again, fed to you by your Republican masters.

                Eh? [kcra.com]

                According to one law enforcement official, medical examiners did not find signs that the officer sustained any blunt force trauma, so investigators believe that early reports that he was fatally struck by a fire extinguisher are not true.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @06:33AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @06:33AM (#1113073)

                  You are still lying, khallow, and citing liars to back up your lies! Do you not realize that, after a while, everyone will realize you are arguing in bad faith, and no one will trust you? If you keep this up, I am afraid that not even aristarchus will care about what you say!

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 14 2021, @04:09PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 14 2021, @04:09PM (#1112808)

      Black guy needs to lose weight.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Sunday February 14 2021, @03:02PM (17 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 14 2021, @03:02PM (#1112786) Homepage Journal

    "Impeachment" was never meant to mean "very unpopular with one party or another". It's supposed to mean that someone committed an actual crime. In this case, Trump didn't commit treason, insurrection, or whatever the Dems and the Never-Trumpers were trying to conjure out of thin air.

    Unfortunately, the constitution doesn't define "high crimes and misdemeanors" very well, so we get these scatterbrained accusations from time to time.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 14 2021, @03:30PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 14 2021, @03:30PM (#1112793)

      It was always a political trial. Congress can make up the charges, there is no legal standard for the trial, and conviction is based on popularity or backroom deals. It's just that now the cat is really out of the bag, so it will be used as a bludgeon more often.

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday February 14 2021, @05:01PM (3 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 14 2021, @05:01PM (#1112828) Homepage Journal

        https://www.rawstory.com/lindsey-graham-kamala-harris/ [rawstory.com]

        "And if you use this model, I don't know how Kamala Harris doesn't get impeached if the Republicans take over the House," he added. "Because she actually bailed out rioters and one of the rioters went back to the streets and broke somebody's head open. So we've opened Pandora's Box here and I'm sad for the country?"

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @06:37AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @06:37AM (#1113075)

          Lindsey Graham is a fucked up cracker closet homosexual who still lives with his mother? And this is the level of gravitas that Runaway can bring to the table? Impeach Lindsey, for conduct unbecoming a Senator, or a human, or any decent homosexual!! And impeach Runaway for violating his oath to defend the Constitution, since he seems to totally given up on that.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @08:08AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @08:08AM (#1113088)

            And impeach Runaway for violating his oath to defend the Constitution

            The asshole has never been civil, nor an officer, much less a civil officer, you can't impeach him.
            But you can try to implum him.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 16 2021, @02:47AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 16 2021, @02:47AM (#1113442)

              Claims to have been Navy, a "supply officer". Took an oath. Can't impeach, but the 14th Amendment still applies.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Gaaark on Sunday February 14 2021, @05:03PM (6 children)

      by Gaaark (41) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 14 2021, @05:03PM (#1112829) Journal

      Even Mitch McConnel says he's guilty, but couldn't find his balls just like so many other GOP's.

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      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday February 14 2021, @05:10PM (5 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 14 2021, @05:10PM (#1112831) Homepage Journal

        Never mind, Gaaark is also guilty, but no one can find his balls either.

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        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 14 2021, @05:39PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 14 2021, @05:39PM (#1112840)

          You spent so much time saying how you don't like 45, didn't vote for 45, yet here you are defending someone your own party admits is guilty.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 14 2021, @06:29PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 14 2021, @06:29PM (#1112861)

            You about as sharp as a bowling ball, boy. Trump's defense is over, no one needs to defend him. But there's a lot of librul tears to be harvested!

        • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Sunday February 14 2021, @09:59PM (2 children)

          by Gaaark (41) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 14 2021, @09:59PM (#1112924) Journal

          WOW! Good one, there, little one. Try again with a little maturity!

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          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday February 14 2021, @11:21PM (1 child)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 14 2021, @11:21PM (#1112940) Homepage Journal

            Oh, come on. This is SN, where Aristarchus and other creatures of the night prowl. If you want maturity, try Twitter. ;^)

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @06:39AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @06:39AM (#1113076)

              You are an ignorant moron, Runaway1956. Fact, not opinion. Now, leave sane people alone, alright?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 14 2021, @06:41PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 14 2021, @06:41PM (#1112865)

      Compleat Moron Runaway1956 speaks!

      "Impeachment" was never meant to mean "very unpopular with one party or another".

      That's fascist talk, and not what is going on at all. Trump already lost the "popularity" contest, and American is not a dictatorship of the majority in any case. Even if you are the most popular Il Duce, you are still bound by the Rule of Law, at least it used to be that way before we started allowing the opinions of morons like Runaway to have equal standing with persons of understanding.

      It's supposed to mean that someone committed an actual crime.

      High crimes, and misdemenders. Do you know what they are, Runaway? It has already been established you should never take legal advice from Runaway, because even though the throws around words, he is really, really ignorant of what the law is, or how it works, and why we should have it.

      In this case, Trump didn't commit treason, insurrection, or whatever the Dems and the Never-Trumpers were trying to conjure out of thin air.

      Other thing, with Runaway, boy cain't count. It is like the whole "population of China" thing he did a few years back. Trump did not commit insurrection? The Senate of the United States, standing as a court of impeachment, disagrees with you, idiot Runaway. Fifty seven (as in Runaway57, so this should make sense to you!) Senators voted the Trump did commit the crime of incitement to insurrection. That is a substantial majority. So Trump has been impeached twice, a majority of jurors have found him guilty, and if not for the 2/3s provision written in the Constitution, we would have been removed. That nonewithstanding, he still has been found guilty.

      The "Runaway veridict" on these proceedings is worthless, because it is based on ignorance, tribalism, and comes from the least educated solylentil. Nice you have an opinion, Runaway56, but it don't amount to a hill of beans.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 14 2021, @06:48PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 14 2021, @06:48PM (#1112869)

        Oh, thank you, Nattering Doodoohead!

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @06:42AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @06:42AM (#1113078)

          You're welcome, Nattering Nabob of Negativism! (Copyright, Vice President Spiro Agnew) Well, we know where you stand, now!

    • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday February 15 2021, @09:58AM (1 child)

      by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Monday February 15 2021, @09:58AM (#1113099) Homepage
      > In this case, Trump didn't commit treason, insurrection, or whatever the Dems and the Never-Trumpers were trying to conjure out of thin air.

      If you are unable, or unwilling, to distinguish between inciting an insurrection and insurrection, you simply don't have the mental faculties to participate in this debate.
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      Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @11:07AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @11:07AM (#1113110)

        But muh freeze peach can't be a crime. Trump lawyers said so.

  • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 14 2021, @11:39PM (16 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 14 2021, @11:39PM (#1112945)

    The typical president doesn't give a shit about the USA. The typical president is blackmailed, owes favors to the people who made him figurehead, and is drunk with power due to the military. The typical president will support globalist corporations and/or the union parasites over actual humans.

    Trump broke that pattern. He was the best president in over a century. Yes, seriously, based on policy. The personality was a fun distraction that got all the right people bent out of shape, but it was the policy that made Trump a truly wonderful president. No, he wasn't perfect; he is human. The worst of his presidency was a bump stock ban, but that is pretty minor compared to what Kamala Harris is wanting to do.

    He probably doesn't want to run again. We need to push him into it, because we need him to fix the mess that democrats are making of our country.

    If not Trump, then who? Florida Governor DeSantis is good at running things, but his campaign skills are terrible. He almost lost to a guy who was found naked on the floor of a Miami hotel room, passed out from drugs, with an underage male prostitute. Ted Cruz is OK, but we like him where he is. We could settle for Bannon or Trump Jr.

    Top priority of course is election security. Trouble is, the people who got in power with non-existent security are the ones with control over election security. They have every incentive to keep enabling fraud. We have elections in the USA, just like there are elections in North Korea.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @03:36AM (9 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @03:36AM (#1113017)

      ...He was the best president in over a century. Yes, seriously, based on policy...

      Like the "don't wear a mask, it's not a real problem and it will just go away" policy that's murdered^w killed around a quarter of a million US citizens to date?

      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday February 15 2021, @04:36AM (8 children)

        by c0lo (156) on Monday February 15 2021, @04:36AM (#1113043) Journal

        Like the "don't wear a mask, it's not a real problem and it will just go away" policy that's murdered^w killed around a quarter of a million US citizens to date?

        That's just a hoax perpetrated to make God Emperor Trump look bad!!!1one!

        Look, the peak number of cases is just 2 days after the peaceful Capitol visit, on Jan 8 there were 308441 new cases. And you want to tell me just 3 weeks after inauguration, on Feb 14, there are only 64297 cases? Like what? 75-80% reduction within a month? The probability is less that one in a quadrillion!

        Clearly Commie Joe and Pelosi manipulated the numbers all the time to steal the election; I bet they are using Dominion software to keep Covid statistics too - we must impound them to have a look inside, I bet we'll find chips made in China; if this is not evidence for you, I don't know what is.

        (VERY LARGE GRIN)

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        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @04:51AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @04:51AM (#1113049)

          The average incubation time for COVID is 5.1 days. But, back to your normal fact-free ranting and raving.

        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday February 15 2021, @04:52AM (6 children)

          by c0lo (156) on Monday February 15 2021, @04:52AM (#1113050) Journal

          I wish the above would be just parody.
          A quick search on Twitter shows reality still beat satire [twitter.com]

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          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
          • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @08:35AM (5 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @08:35AM (#1113089)

            Wow, some some guy on some social media site said something? Wow!! And that is your evidence. You, sir, are an idiot. I do not have any opinion on what caused the decline, because I think we lack the facts to make an informed decision. The only thing I do know for a fact is that literally within hours of Biden's inauguration, the WHO offered revised guidance [who.int] on testing that was actively aimed at reducing the rather widespread false positive diagnoses.

            WHO guidance Diagnostic testing for SARS-CoV-2 states that careful interpretation of weak positive results is needed (1). The cycle threshold (Ct) needed to detect virus is inversely proportional to the patient’s viral load. Where test results do not correspond with the clinical presentation, a new specimen should be taken and retested using the same or different NAT technology.

            WHO reminds IVD users that disease prevalence alters the predictive value of test results; as disease prevalence decreases, the risk of false positive increases (2). This means that the probability that a person who has a positive result (SARS-CoV-2 detected) is truly infected with SARS-CoV-2 decreases as prevalence decreases, irrespective of the claimed specificity.

            In case you're simple, I'll translate: 'If you test somebody who's not showing symptoms and they test positive - test them again using a different test. You should expect a more and more of your positive test results to be false positives. Act accordingly.'

            Of course that is the WHO and not e.g. the CDC so it would be interesting to know exactly how man hospitals within the US did adjust their testing processes following the changed guidance, and what their overall rate of diagnoses consequently changed to following the change. Other questions would be exactly where the major infection and decline spikes were coming from. As is, when you jump to your preferred conclusion without actually considering the evidence and information, you are just as stupid as those you think you are mocking.

            • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday February 15 2021, @08:43AM (3 children)

              by c0lo (156) on Monday February 15 2021, @08:43AM (#1113092) Journal

              Wow, some some guy on some social media site said something? Wow!! And that is your evidence.

              Point: there exist persons who see a conspiracy in the drop of active covid cases.
              Point made by providing citation.

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              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @01:19PM (2 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @01:19PM (#1113126)

                Can you not even see when things are right in front of you?

                You are doing the exact same thing. You're making wild assumptions about what have caused COVID based on less than nothing since the data doesn't even support your hypothesis, while it does support (though not necessarily prove) the hypothesis that the decline is being driven, at least in part, by technical changes in how cases are determined and thus counted.

                • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday February 15 2021, @02:09PM (1 child)

                  by c0lo (156) on Monday February 15 2021, @02:09PM (#1113138) Journal

                  Or by larger percentage of masks use. Or by bad weather keeping people indoor.
                  Or by Trump no longer holding superspreader rallies. Or by Biden who issued an EO to arrest and detain the viruses on sight.

                  the hypothesis that the decline is being driven, at least in part, by technical changes in how cases are determined and thus counted.

                  Because if you underestimate the number of infections, of course less people will die. Works the same with "Stop the tests", if you learn to ignore them all, no people will die.

                  Unless, of course, you also falsify the count of covid deaths too, to sync with the number of active cases 2-3 weeks ago. In which case, the Dominion machines can help to flip the death for Trump and the number of active cases for Biden, yes.

                  Can you not even see when things are right in front of you?

                  Oh, hey, my sight isn't what it used to be. Draw larger dots, mate, but even then I might not be even interested to connect them.

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                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @03:09PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @03:09PM (#1113155)

                    If you're going to make your whole schtick to mock others for making unsubstantiated claims, you need to make doubly sure that *your claims* are substantiated. You made exactly one argument based on clearly falsifiable data in your post. You claimed that deaths now are declining in proportion to the reduction in diagnoses. And, it's false. Here [worldometers.info] you can see the latest and regularly updated figures on a variety of metrics including new deaths and new infections.

                    There's some easily missable buttons below the graphs to let you swap to a 7-day rolling average. You can look at various points to see that deaths follow diagnoses in a surprisingly rapid fashion. To see this most easily pick out some of the valleys, such as November 29th or December 28th. You'll see deaths and diagnoses follow each other surprisingly tightly. And now look at the current date. The current rolling diagnostic rate has not been seen since November 3rd. Yet the current rolling death rate, by contrast, is the same as it was on December 31st. Something weird's up.

                    We live in a world of fake information and fake news. Of course you'd agree, but what you may not realize is that this also applies to whatever media you are clearly taking at face value. Rely on data and facts which you can, at least so much within reason, verify yourself. All the commentary overlaid on the news is, more often than not, just complete and utter bullshit. Incidentally I hadn't looked at this datum until you mentioned and this again seems to provide evidence (though, not necessarily proof) that the decline is being substantially influenced by changes in testing and diagnostic standards.

            • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday February 15 2021, @10:05AM

              by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Monday February 15 2021, @10:05AM (#1113101) Homepage
              >> a new specimen should be taken and retested using the same or different NAT technology.

              > I'll translate: 'If you test somebody who's not showing symptoms and they test positive - test them again using a different test.

              That's not a translation, that's a mangling so egregious that it completely changes the meaning of what they said.

              X: A or B
              Y: They said A, definitely A.

              Nuh-uh.
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              Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @04:58AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @04:58AM (#1113051)

      Florida Governor DeSantis is good at running things, but his campaign skills are terrible

      Move to Florida, buddy, he's good at managing things. For some. [reuters.com]

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @06:35AM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @06:35AM (#1113074)

      Nice troll, amigo. I'm guessing that your life is seriously off-track.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @08:37AM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @08:37AM (#1113091)

        Yeah, he needs to be a nice upstanding member of society like the founder of the Lincoln Project. Or maybe those poor innocent angels literal boyscout Kyle Rittenhouse shot.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @01:05PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @01:05PM (#1113123)

          Yeah, he needs to be a nice upstanding member of society like the founder of the Lincoln Project.

          George Aref Nader
          Ruben Verastigui
          Ralph Shortey
          Timothy L. Nolan

          I wonder if they were meeting in the basement of a pizza shop.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @03:16PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 15 2021, @03:16PM (#1113158)

            Seriously. I don't think people realize what an absurdly high rate of severe criminality and sexual offenses our politicians have. Though this isn't necessarily just "our" politicians. They've had the exact same issues in our sidekick across the pond.

            Yet another reason I'm not especially fond of democracy anymore. Seems like the people who do the best job of fast-talking a hundred million people tend to be some pretty sick fucks. Big shocker...

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 16 2021, @12:56AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 16 2021, @12:56AM (#1113384)

              A normal person doesn't ever get offered little kids to fuck. Latent pedophilia desires go unexplored, because kids aren't unwatched.

              A politician has power and information, and every foreign spy agency wants to get some control over that. An effective way to control the politician is to find a heinous crime for blackmail. No crime? Provide temptation. Get it on video. So a politician is constantly being tempted with the most attractive 17-year olds, and maybe much younger if there is a hint that the politician might go for it.

              We're now aware of the Epstein operation. That isn't gone with his death; he was just an unacknowledged Mossad employee. Israel isn't likely to shut down the effort. New people get hired, and new properties get built with newer video technology.

              That's just one country though. Probably a hundred countries are doing the same. That's enough to blackmail every US politician who is less of a prude than Mike Pence. (and they probably got him too, using a non-missionary position that would embarrass him enough)

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