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Sunday February 19, 23
04:22 AM
Anybody read his classics as a kid?
From Fox News:
A publisher has altered children's books by Roald Dahl – the author of several well-received children's books that were later made into hit movies, including "Matilda," "James and the Giant Peach," and "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" – to remove language now deemed offensive.
Puffin, the publisher of Dahl's classic works, has hired sensitivity readers to make changes to certain portions of the author's wording in the U.K. editions as part of an effort to ensure the books "can continue to be enjoyed by all today." (emphasis mine)
Also at The Guardian.
A very wise man I worked w/ in radio once told me, "You'll never do a show that's all things for all people."
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I think that I shall never see
A billboard lovely as a tree.
Indeed, unless the billboards fall
I'll never see a tree at all.
-- Ogden Nash
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 19, @04:49AM (3 children)
[troll]OMG, Socialism! Wait, what? This is a commercial decision by a capitalist publisher. [/troll]
Dahl was a product of his times, let it be. i.e. If one's *-ist forebear isn't appropriate for modern audiences then maybe stop reading dated Harry Potter and adopt some current era writers.
BTW, this isn't confined to 'woke' lefties - I miss the 'thees' and 'thous' when one's favourite Christmas carols have been butchered in the name of modern English - the scansion is all wrong and the nuance of the original rhyme is lost.
And Roald isn't around to defend himself - at least current artists have the right to self-censor, e.g. the Rolling Stones, still touring, might not perform some of their more 'risque' lyrics of the 1960s.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Monday February 20, @06:07PM (2 children)
Roald Dahl actually went woke way back in 1973, (before I was erven born):
The Oompa Loompas Were African Slaves In The 1964 Book [groovyhistory.com]
In the first edition of Charlie and the Chocolate factory the Oompa Loompas were African Pygmy slaves.
In 1973, Dahl re-released Charlie and the Chococlate factory with the Oompa Loompas we are familair with.
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 21, @06:51AM
Pat Buchanan was totally in support of the Uompa PaLumpas being American slaves, since that is what he wanted to re-instate, but cancelling the Civil War. The Dominion machines use do decide the Civil War were totally biased in favor of things like justice and reason, leaving the poor racist fucks with nothing. So sad. Does no one feel for them?
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 23, @05:59AM
Best comment on the internets:
Roald Dahl Can Never Be Made Nice [theatlantic.com]
Rewriting his novels is about corporate safetyism, not social justice.
It seems that there is something about growing up British that can make one, um, not very pleasant.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by khallow on Sunday February 19, @06:09AM (1 child)
Instead, it's 70 years from the death of the author, which would be 2060. I think that's ridiculous that this copyright could outlast most of us here.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday February 20, @05:59PM
Agreed.
Think about how Disney sanitized all those old "problematic" public domain fairy tales for a new audience.
Yeah, they "censored" some stuff out that was no longer appropriate for the children of the time but they did so in a way that made it very obvious it was a derivative work and not the original.
(Score: 2, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Sunday February 19, @08:20AM (48 children)
Old man Clemens suffered much the same nonsense. I have no idea if Clemens was prejudiced against black people, but today Democrats insist that he had to be.
And, it should probably be clarified that the title of this fine discussion is at least slightly misleading. Roald Dahl hasn't gone woke. His estate has gone woke.
I heard somewhere that the meek shall inherit the earth. IMO, the meek will have to get in line behind the snowflakes who have appropriated the earth.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 19, @08:30AM
https://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2011/jan/05/censoring-mark-twain-n-word-unacceptable [theguardian.com]
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 19, @07:47PM (2 children)
You racist some-ovabitch! No idea, well, normal for an ignorant moran, but this only shows you never read Mark Twain. Go back to your hillbilly dirt farming, Runaway!
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Sunday February 19, @08:32PM (1 child)
Funny how things work. I posted that hoping to prompt AC's reply, above. Read his link, it is informative, and that's why I modded AC up. Yeah, Buckwheat, Clemens wrote in all the bigotry in a mockery of racists. He preserved how a lot of people thought back then. And, here you come, accusing me of racism because . . . what exactly? Because I'm not woke?
For the record: Samuel Clemens was not a racist. He wouldn't fit into today's woke world, but he was not a racist.
You should get back under your bridge now, you know what sunlight does to you!
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 20, @07:46PM
https://i.redd.it/tf73broi5eja1.jpg [i.redd.it]
Look here, it is runaway's klanma committing sedition! She would whole heartedly endorse runaway's wish to murder 50 million liberals to keep the brown people away!**
** yes that is an actual thing runaway said
(Score: 5, Touché) by Tork on Sunday February 19, @10:45PM (38 children)
So what's your take on Florida's recent book bans?
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Monday February 20, @01:48AM (37 children)
Which book bans, exactly? Are people being imprisoned for possession of a book? Like Christians possessing a Bible, in some places?
No, I didn't think so.
What I see is, the state is telling the libruls that the state isn't going to pay for the garbage that they are trying to pass off as "educational material". Keep that shit out of the classroom. "That shit" includes the 1613 project stuff, anything that derives from critical race theory, and EVERYTHING that actively encourages children to get a sex change.
If you want a copy of any of those books, contact the publisher, and take it with you the next time you visit Florida. You won't be locked up for reading it on the beach or anything.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Monday February 20, @02:15AM (33 children)
As in: School libraries cannot have those books under penalty of felony conviction. You sure that's where you want to draw your line?
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Monday February 20, @02:43AM (32 children)
I do believe there have always been laws against pornography in school libraries. Maybe not, but, I certainly never saw porn in my school libraries. It was available at the city library, but the librarians kept me out of that area.
And PLEASE don't tell me that some of those titles aren't porn. https://dailycaller.com/2023/02/19/here-are-the-sexually-explicit-books-florida-is-working-to-remove-from-public-schools/ [dailycaller.com]
Now, some of that material is probably appropriate for high school children. You know, 15, 16, 17, and 18 year old kids. It is most certainly NOT appropriate for elementary school children. And, shocker!! Some of this material actually came to light precisely because the little kids were getting it! Drawing one guy fellating another guy, and giving it to little kids is perverse, and you can't work around that.
Drawing lines, huh? As in, is this the hill I want Democrats to die on? Yeah, sure. I'm all for keeping smut away from kids, and I'm all for Democrats dieing on hills.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Monday February 20, @02:46AM (31 children)
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Monday February 20, @03:53AM (30 children)
Actually, yes.
Children aren't entitled to all the same rights that adults are entitled to. Would you agree to that?
Also, children shouldn't be subject to the grooming that is taking place in the school system today. Children should be given their moral values at home, presuming that the parents have any values to impart to their children. There has been far too much of "educators" presuming that they have the authority to decide how children should be parented.
As I've stated elsewhere, once the kids reach age 18, and they are legally adults, THEN they can read all the smut and porn they wish. Keep it out of the grammar school.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Monday February 20, @04:14AM (4 children)
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Monday February 20, @05:32AM (3 children)
What books are you talking about, exactly? Are they books that I've read? Are they books that you've read? All that I'm seeing here, is that age-inappropriate books are being removed from elementary school access, and maybe higher grades.
And . . . I wonder . . . are DC Comics and Marvel represented in the libraries? They weren't when I was in school, all those decades ago. Would it be considered censorship if Captain America doesn't get into the libary? Or - would you agree that Captain America belongs at the corner store, where kids can buy it if they want. Government doesn't really need to supply comic books to kids, does it? We're back to my argument, earlier, that neither government nor taxpayers should be footing the bill for crap that really isn't educationally cost-effective. Let's get back to readin' ritin' and 'rithmatic in school, and kids who want to fellate can do so on their own time.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 20, @05:53AM
Yes, that would be all you see with your head in the sand. No empty bookshelves down there.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Tork on Monday February 20, @05:54AM (1 child)
Okay, so you don't want the gov't buying the books. That's a reasonable point of view. But why is a threat of felony for possessing the book acceptable? Why not make the purchase, not the possession of the book, illegal? That way donations aren't unwittingly violating your concern... and then it stops being censorship.
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Freeman on Tuesday February 21, @05:40PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possession_is_nine-tenths_of_the_law [wikipedia.org]
Also, war on drugs, except now they're pushing for a war on risque content. The disturbing thing is that it's a thing at all. The job of the public school system is to provide a good education to the citizens' of our country. It's not to push drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, *insert poor health/life decisions*, political, or social agendas. At least to a certain degree. It's also not the school's job to shelter kids from everything. It's the school's job to properly inform the students and to help them build critical reasoning skills. That way when someone is talking out both sides of their mouth, you can properly ascertain that they're full of it.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 5, Insightful) by cmdrklarg on Tuesday February 21, @12:03AM (24 children)
You sure have a unhealthy obsession with "grooming children".
It is no wonder you use the term "grooming" to describe what you're pissing and moaning about. It's another incendiary term used to demonize what is correctly termed "educating".
You're calling for censorship, plain and simple. Calling it "grooming" and "porn" and "smut" is fucking ridiculous, and doesn't describe anything being taught in schools. If anything, they should teach MORE about human sexuality, not less. You might accidentally have less teenage pregnancies if they had a clue about reproduction.
But that would make kids less ignorant, right? Can't have that if you can't groom the children to be good conservatives, right?
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday February 21, @01:05AM (23 children)
So, if you found your pre-teen children/grandchildren reading a comic book in which two guys are sucking cock, you wouldn't consider that to be porn, or smut, or something other than "education"? This is "education"?
Don't talk to be about fucking ridiculous.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 21, @03:54AM
Oh so that is the world you are living in! The one where your only two choices are either allowing the state-sponsored unfettered showing of context-free graphic depictions of homosexual sex to preadolescents or telling kids that sometimes some kids have two mommies or two daddies. I mean that is the only way your comment wouldn't be fucking ridiculous.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Tuesday February 21, @04:05AM (20 children)
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday February 21, @05:31AM (19 children)
https://theiowastandard.com/shocking-images-from-book-gender-queer-which-is-stocked-in-school-libraries-across-iowa/ [theiowastandard.com]
https://www.cbsnews.com/dfw/news/book-sexually-explicit-images-themes-winds-keller-isd-texas-school-library/ [cbsnews.com]
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2023/02/07/heres-a-list-of-books-banned-under-review-in-central-florida-schools/ [clickorlando.com]
That first link includes the explicit images contained in the book. Other links don't show the images - or my search skills aren't up to the task of finding them. You can torrent this one: Let's Talk About It - The Teen's Guide to Sex, Relationships, and Being a Human That one is less explicit, in that, no sex organs are shown, but the language is pretty explicit. NOT suitable for pre-teens, and questionable for young teens.
In short - there's a lot of smut being pushed at little kids. Some of the others are supposed to be just as bad as the first, but I cannot find images to evaluate them for myself.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Tuesday February 21, @05:53AM (2 children)
Yeah... you and I have different definitions of 'smut'. I'm pretty sure you won't find images from this book on porn galleries. There's a lot more insight in those pages than you're letting yourself see. Or perhaps you're forgetting what puberty was like. I don't mean that in an insulting way. I seem to recall what I didn't have in my school years better than most I know.
*snort* But he won't take a drink, folks. Heh.
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday February 21, @07:40AM (1 child)
And, you've forgotten and/or glossed over the fact that elementary school children are getting these books.
If graphically depicted fellatio is not pornography, then why isn't it shown in PG-13 rated movies? Or general, for that matter. Pornography or not, it doesn't belong in elementary schools, and no elementary school children should be reading it. This is the same general idea that I've argued against those "family freindly" drag queen shows. Gotta indoctrinate those little kids, before they get a chance to be heterosexual!
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Tork on Tuesday February 21, @04:24PM
Okay I have to ask since you brought up the indoctrination trope: Did that comic page make you want to "switch teams"? Are you saying you're tired of fighting temptation? I wanna understand why you feel you're in danger of expanding your wardrobe.
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 21, @06:00AM (1 child)
Lol. That is what you are freaking out about? Two books that are written and marketed for high school students? If anything, what I was imagining was worse than those pictures.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 21, @06:26AM
Runaway is just upset about the lack of an depictions of normal animal husbandry. His favorite sow "Sally" did not even make it into the most basic elementary school textbooks. So sad for Sally.
(Score: 5, Touché) by janrinok on Tuesday February 21, @07:03AM (13 children)
You are concerned about those pictures? You had better stay indoors from now on - the world is a big and scary place. Women have menstrual periods, and they also fart just like you. But don't let your children know that - it will probably turn them into transvestites or something worse according to your logic.
You even misrepresented, I will assume unintentionally, what some of those pictures actually depict - you seem to have difficulties when identifying the gender of some of the characters.
Some of the most well-balanced kids I know are found in countries like the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, France. Guess what those kids have in common? They don't live in countries that have sexual hang-ups. They don't get embarrassed by other people's genders - actual or assumed. They receive sex education appropriate to their age and mental maturity. They understand normal bodily functions and what causes them. (Girls should know about periods before they actually start having them - it saves a lot of fear and embarrassment. Boys should know about them too, so that they understand the problems that girls might be experiencing). They become normal well-balanced adults too.
I suppose you will also want museums closed, encyclopedias removed from bookshelves, and sanitary products removed from shops? After all, they might see a depiction of sexual organs (David - Michelangelo [wikipedia.org](WARNING: NSFW if Runaway1956 is to be believed. You might turn into a sex maniac if you view it.)
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday February 21, @07:47AM (12 children)
Well, aren't you being cute here.
My primary objection is that this material is available to pre-pubescent children. Secondary objection is the graphic nature of the images. If their story is worth telling, it can be told without erect penises drawn in.
And, lemme hit you with your own hypocrisy. I remember when my journal entry had a mere word that some sensitive sally whined about. And, I caught hell from you that I needed to censor the title of my journal entry, because Sally might be offended. Now - you're defending explicit sexual images in children's books?
I repeat: elementary school children have taken these books home to read. Not kids entering puberty, not 14, 16, or 18 year old kids. Elementary school children have had access to this material.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 21, @09:57AM
Given your repeated heaping of erroneous information and your inability to show any evidence that has happened, especially from schools, I'm still on the side of it not happening. Nor does it seem to be some sort of widespread problem worthy of all the fear mongering.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by janrinok on Tuesday February 21, @11:17AM (10 children)
From the National Health Service website:
You will note that I suggested that girls be taught about menstrual periods before they begin to experience them, it removes a lot of fear and embarrassment by doing so. It is a natural biological event that is easily explained. Boys also ought to be made aware of not only the changes that will occur in their own bodies but each should know how it affects the opposite sex. This is quite a common practice around the world. The children that receive sex education at the appropriate ages and mental maturity do not get embarrassed by meeting people of different genders, or seeing breast feeding taking place, and they also have a much lower chance of being parents of an unwanted child. From the internet I get the following:
Now I do not believe the books that you are discussing were available to kindergarten children but you will see that puberty may have already begun at the mid-point of the elementary school bracket and therefore it is a valid subject to be discussed using the appropriate terminology with some elementary school children.
If the books were available in a kindergarten class then I suspect it is an exceptional occurrence and should be treated as such, and not used to whip people into a frenzy or as an excuse to start banning books that are enjoyed by children all around the world.
You seem to have a problem with discussing sexual matters with children, yet you support children of the same age having to do active-shooter drills in schools. I think this is a twisted mentality to support. By all means have the drills now because you have got yourselves into a position that you would rather have not occurred. But you should also address the problem that is being caused by weapons being so freely available - sometimes to children in this age group. I know which is causing to most damage to children's lives.
It was not my hypocrisy. The fact is that you used a racist term which features on a list of words that should not be used in the USA reflects rather badly on yourself, and its use was brought to my attention by several members of our community. It was appearing on the front page of our site for which I am responsible, and such terminology is unacceptable. I gave you the reference to the document. I think that having to change that word is better than having another ban imposed upon your account, don't you?
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday February 21, @01:55PM (9 children)
Censorship for thee, but not for me then.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by janrinok on Tuesday February 21, @03:08PM (8 children)
You haven't been censored. Next time I won't bother, I assume that you will prefer a ban?
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday February 21, @03:17PM (6 children)
I repeat: Censorship for thee, but not for me.
Jesus Christ, Jan - listen to yourself.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 3, Touché) by janrinok on Tuesday February 21, @03:53PM (4 children)
You were asked to change 1 word in the title of your journal - because the title of your journal appears on the front page. You chose that word to incite a specific discussion. You changed it. Had you not done so we could have simply deleted the entire journal - but that would be excessive to prevent 1 word from appearing on the front page, so we asked you to change it to comply with US requirements. We are bound to follow them otherwise we can be shut down. We gave you the option and you took the necessary, and sensible, action.
You are just miffed now because you could not rebut my last post to the discussion regarding sex education. I quoted facts and backed them up with references. I assume that you do not have a daughter because it would appear that she would not have been helped by a caring father when her periods began and she was confused and frightened. You have already said that you would not explain things until she was much older.
You have no answer to my response, so you decide to bring up a matter that was settled many months ago. How many comments have there been supporting your point of view. Go on, count them, I can wait. It shouldn't take you long.
When you step forward to take responsibility for material published on the front page then you can have a say in what is acceptable and what is not. Our rules are documented and every editor works to the same set of rules.
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday February 21, @05:05PM (3 children)
Correction: There is no legal US requirement to censor any words that I have ever used on this forum, other than the big 7 (?) : shit fuck piss etc. No legal requirement whatsoever. You cannot cite any such law. You were bowing to the woke crowd in regard to - was it "Redskins", or "Injuns". Something like that.
And, you also complained about the word "penis".
If penis is taboo on the front page of SN, then why should children be given cartoon drawings of fellatio being performed?
When you get to the bottom of this discussion, you'll admit that damned near EVERYONE wants the power and authority to censor shit they don't like. And, no one wants to see the shit they like censored. And, that's all ass backward. The First Amendment was put in place to protect speech that we do not like, it's not there to protect speech that everyone (or nearly everyone) likes.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday February 21, @05:32PM (2 children)
Once again you are refusing to discuss the topic I responded to. I think you lost that argument.
Where did I complain about the word penis? I don't think I have in this discussion where it might be relevant.
Raise something that was resolved months ago if you wish. We are not obliged to publish anything that we think is inappropriate. We are trying to attract new community members and we will endeavour to raise the standard of all discussions. As I understand it. the First Amendment does not apply here. It limits what the government can do, not what websites must accept and publish.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 23, @06:56PM
Nigerian witches stole Runaway's penis, so he is kinda tetchy about the subject, or the word. Understandable when someone has been involuntarily gender-modified by the Dark Arts. Fellow grifting "conservative" and Community College dropout Charlie Kirk has similar issues. [rawstory.com] All of this is well-documented in one of Supreme Court Justice Sam Alito's prime sources, the Malleum Maleficarum [wikipedia.org].
Witches Allegedly Stole Penises and Kept Them as Pets in the Middle Ages [vice.com]
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Runaway's fear and anxiety about baby-eating cabals of Satanic liberals who steal penises is actually rather pathetic, and he has my sympathy.
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 24, @01:16AM
But, what about Sally?
(Score: 2) by Tork on Tuesday February 21, @11:12PM
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 22, @05:01AM
I, for one, prefer a ban for the user Runaway1956. He has been nothing but a liability, both legally and socially, for SoylentNews since he signed up. And, think of Sally.
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Tuesday February 21, @06:42PM
Sure, that would be porn. Now prove to me that this is what is being shown in a school environment. If you can't, you have no leg to stand on.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday February 20, @08:02AM (2 children)
Which places? Tell me where in the USA this is happening. Other countries, yes I would agree. But you are using laws that do not apply to you as justification for actions that are being taken in the USA.
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Monday February 20, @01:50PM (1 child)
Yes, the US is some place, but no mention of the US was made in that post.
Thank you.
Happens all the time, right at the top, in the Supreme Court. Centuries old(e) English law is cited to justify or to overturn laws here in the US. I think they even cite philosophers from time to time, some of whom have been dead for millenia.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday February 20, @02:02PM
But those laws do apply to you - the newly formed USA decided to adopt those same laws as the basis for part of their own system.
Strawman. They don't quote philosophers to justify points of law. They might quote them to make a point about philosophy though but that has nothing to do with your earlier statement.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday February 20, @03:28PM (4 children)
Nailed it in one. +1
I don't like the term woke. I don't even know what it means.
I think that saying originated on Usenet in the late 1980s: Blessed are the geek, for they shall internet the earth.
And it came true. Then it was repurposed for Matt 5:5.
How often should I have my memory checked? I used to know but...
(Score: 5, Insightful) by cmdrklarg on Monday February 20, @11:39PM (1 child)
Originally it was a Middle English form of "week". The most simple definition is the past tense of "wake".
In modern vernacular, it means: "being conscious of racial discrimination in society and other forms of oppression and injustice."
For those who use the term in a derogatory manner it means: "Stuff I've been told is bad and I don't like." Usually you can add "and I'm a idiot that is easily led by pundits" at the end of that.
My $0.02, YMMV
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 22, @05:25AM
We need to go much further back, to the primordial Indo-European of which Runaway is the unwitting descendant. Emphasis on the "un-witting", which means, basically, an ignorant moron. So here we go.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/wek%CA%B7- [wiktionary.org]
There it all is, sort of. I just wonder why Republicans, and stupid conservatives, think that being asleep, or unconcious, is preferable to being "woke". Go back to sleep, Runaway! You just fell asleep with Faux News on, again, and Cucker Tarlsen has seeped into your brain..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 22, @10:59PM (1 child)
In defending the Stop WOKE Act, DeSantis is on record defining woke as "the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them.” Which means that those that are anti-woke either don't believe there are systemic injustices in American society or that they do not need to address them.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 23, @06:06AM
Pretty sure it is the ladder. Kicking it down, once you're on top. White privilege all the way, Baby!
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 19, @06:30PM (14 children)
Nothing like conservative tolerance:
Evangelicals banning books, censoring media, and inspecting children's genitals == GOOD!!
Cirpiration making minor language changes to keep treasured books relevant == BAAAD!!
Guess we shouldn't be surprised since fliptop misses Pat Buchanan and Rush Limbaugh so much. Both gaping assholes pushing hatred for fun and prophet! Shirley an insurrection would get such hot blooded MURRICANS to care right? No they cheered? Figures!
(Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Sunday February 19, @08:34PM (12 children)
If you want to make a book more relevant to life today, go ahead. But, don't attribute the asinine censoring to the original author. Write an introduction, making it clear that you are a woke snowflake, and that you are creating a derivative work because the original author left you butthurt. Then, you can censor out everything and anything, thereby probably ruining the book entirely, while erasing much of the historical value of the book. And, you won't sell it to anyone who isn't woke.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 19, @11:23PM (1 child)
How many versions of the Bible are there? Shirley the original author is pissed.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday February 20, @11:18PM
Forget King James, The guy who wrote the Old Testament is REALLY pissed!
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 20, @04:21AM (8 children)
Go back to sleep, grumpy old conservative white male! Your flaky snow-ness is being blown away by the winds of change. And no Gov. Florida man is going to be able to shove censorship and conservative stupidity down our throats! No way, Boomer! No, go away, or we will start grooming you to work in a leaf-blower factory, blowing all the leafs. What? Too late? Sorry, dude.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 20, @05:24AM (6 children)
Say goodnight, ari!
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 21, @04:06AM (5 children)
Offtopic
Wow! Ari still has mod points?!
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 21, @06:42AM (2 children)
More than you could even imagine. aristarchus controls SoylentNews! With his best Alec McGuiness voice, he say "Even if you ban me, I will become more powerful than you could imagine." Aristarchus lives in every Soylentil's head, to remind them of what SN could have been, and how the current admin has betrayed everything that BuckFeta stood for. So, in your next post, mention aristarchus, just out of courtesy.
Not even hiding the MD5'd things, since it doesn't matter, and SoylentNews has no definition of "bad posting". Guess I will just continue it, until there is one, other than what TMB or janrinok do not like.
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 22, @01:01AM (1 child)
aristarchus?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 23, @06:09AM
Yep, aristarchus. You can tell by the Spam mod. Janrinok throws one of them when he has ascertained that an AC is actually the Dread Soylentil Aristarchus.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 22, @04:48AM
Offtopic
Apparently so!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 28, @09:17PM
89 to be exact
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday February 20, @03:39PM
I would put it a bit more kindly, but I think that is a fair thing to ask of anyone making an adaptation or derivative work of some earlier work. Whatever their reasons.
For example, I would ask no less of those who might want a new version of the bible without all the sex and violence. Don't try to pass it off as the original work. Even if there is no copyright, no estate to ask for permission, etc.
How often should I have my memory checked? I used to know but...
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday February 20, @03:45PM
Acts 19:19 is the earliest book burning that I know of:
drachma = 1 day's wages
How often should I have my memory checked? I used to know but...
(Score: 2) by istartedi on Monday February 20, @12:09AM (2 children)
They woke the dead!
Appended to the end of comments you post. Max: 120 chars.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday February 20, @03:42PM (1 child)
If the original authors are spinning in their graves, this could represent a new source of untapped carbon free energy.
How often should I have my memory checked? I used to know but...
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Tuesday February 21, @05:44PM
Perpetual motion machine confirmed?
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 20, @10:09PM (4 children)
And you're a moron.
Seems like the world is pretty decent at sorting out the best way. People are already criticizing this move by the IP holders and pointing out why rewriting is bad. Did tucker the nazi do a spot on this? Did he bring up Dr. Seuss and MISTER Potato Head? Haw haw conservative dip is dumb haw haw har dee har!
PS: can we un-cancel all the shit you jerks actually canceled, like, you know, education and inconvenient facts?
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 21, @06:11AM (3 children)
This is actually a genius move by Puffin. They saw what happened with Dr. Seuss and are looking to cash in too. Announce that you are going to "woke-ify" a bunch of books but continue selling the old ones in the mean time to cash in on the rush to buy them caused by right-wing hysteria. Then release the new ones just in time to cash in on the rush to buy them caused by the left-wing acclaim. Depending on how well this plays out, I'd expect to see more of the same in the future.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 25, @01:34AM (1 child)
And would you look at that. Turns out that after a sales rush they announced they will be releasing both versions.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02, @03:08AM
And would you look at that. Turns out another publisher just announced that they will be editing a famous back catalog but sell the old versions in the mean time. Just another spin around the cycle of maximizing profit.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 25, @04:08AM
Geniuses aren't making these moves. Just people in fear. The extra pocket change will make them feel better tho.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 21, @08:35AM (9 children)
Just to let everyone know, our Grand Censor, janrinok, has "archived" the poll discussion, so there can be no unregistered AC comments there, that make him look bad. Fucking janrinok, cannot withstand any disagreement or actual discussion. Well, fuckitol, Soylentnews is officially dead, when the admins have to shut down comments in the poll. Really, really dead.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday February 21, @11:22AM (8 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 22, @04:05PM (7 children)
Not sure if that is addressed in the FAQ, regardless you should update the various info pages with more comprehensive information on how the site works.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Wednesday February 22, @04:59PM (6 children)
Should we? Thanks for your suggestion. Now which info pages would they be then? Priority must go to those things that are causing us the problems that other people want to see fixed first. Random suggestions in journals are not the way we usually report bugs or enhancements.
I take it that you are not personally offering to join us to do the work? An informal poll for you: "How many people do you think are working behind the scenes?"
We are still rebuilding the site.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 22, @08:55PM
Mostly by unilaterally changing policy, and preventing pure ACs from posting anywhere, like in journals, or especially in polls, since they have the imprimature of the Site as a hole.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 23, @04:30AM (4 children)
AC you replied to, just suggesting the FAQ be updated to address the weird quirks of how the site operates, then you can troll ari with: did you read the FAQ?
Being salty is surely another approach, I considered volunteering but remembered how you still haven't done a good job separating SN from the rightwing fascism trying to take over the world. Damn wealthy fascists trying to seize power!
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Thursday February 23, @07:05AM
FAQ is not the place to explain "weird quirks" - but which weird quirk are you referring to? It is not a frequently asked question. As far as i can tell you are the first to have asked for whatever weird quirk you are discussing to be included there. If you are referring to the poll timing out then that is a normal action that applies to all stories, journals and polls. It is there to prevent abuse (which we have already had) when people make comments and links to unwanted material in stories that they think will not be looked at by staff. After the first couple of weeks, how many comments in the latest poll have been on topic?
AC's rallying cry to 'take over the poll' which was made a few days ago doesn't give me confidence that the abuse would not occur again. The only thing that made me smile was his terrible sense of timing.
More usually detailed information of how the software works would be held in our wiki - but for the time being it has not been restored. Then we have to find somebody who has the time to write (or rewrite) the relevant part of the wiki.
Regular active support is being carried out by 4 people at the moment. Two editors (although others chip in when they can) who currently are active everyday, 7 days a week, one person working on IRC often limited to weekends, and NCommander who has suffered from various personal and professional issues recently who is working on the code and sys-ops at present. We are currently getting 2 more people join the team to work in sys-ops.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Thursday February 23, @07:10AM (2 children)
Yes I know which account you held.
ACs do a good enough job of trolling without needing any additional help.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 23, @06:18PM (1 child)
Wow, triggered by asking SN to describe how the site works in the FAQ. I've seen you answer many the same question, would think you'd be more invested in putting the answers on the site's information pages. Very suspicious how weird your replies are and it seems like you are misidentifying me as well, I have no account on SN and I am not any banned user. You really should look into therapy.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 23, @07:04PM
Jan KNOWS which account you do not hold, wiley AC! Do not think that any nefarious SN destroying activity escapes him! Your protests, and requests for documentation and transparency, are futile! ACs are trying to "take over" the poll comments! Janrinok will fight them on the beaches, fight them in the air, fight them in the attics, and fight them in his mind! You SHALL NOT Pass!!
(Score: 2) by Taxi Dudinous on Tuesday February 21, @01:31PM
Something I was going to touch upon.
Jan's quote reminds me of a Jackass tour of Europe. The performances were essentially glorified carnival side shows with multiple acts. The participants employed over the top theatrics to enhance the apparent extremes of the pain they inflicted on each other, and the extent of the self mutilation. There is some actual pain of course. One act in particular involved Steve O stapling different items to himself with a T-50 stapler. The finale of that particular segment was for Steve to pull out his scrotum and staple it to his leg.
In the US, and other realms, the typical demographic for such display was teens and drunken twenty somethings. But when the show loaded into a town in Finland, (Pretty sure this is correct. It has been a long while) the performers were shocked to see that the audience was comprised predominantly of children, accompanied by their parents! The perception of the spectacle was quickly changed from hard core and extreme, to childish and silly. To top it off, the next day there was a review of the show in the local paper accompanied by a rather large photograph of Steve stapling his scrotum to his leg. The shockers were shocked!
Well adjusted children indeed. They certainly didn't need to see that show. But their parents were there with them, and likely able to explain some of the tricks involved, and how it was ultimately a silly act in an attempt to elicit a particular response from the audience.
(Score: 2) by fliptop on Tuesday February 21, @06:13PM (1 child)
Puffin is rewording so Dahl's works may be enjoyed by all. Will the purists be thrilled b/c editions w/o the changes will increase in value? Or are they pissed b/c it's being changed in the first place?
As for porn, it's too prevalent. Any curious kid can figure it out. Back in my day, 8mm...buddy w/ a Playboy...etc...are you on my lawn?
If a kid isn't getting guidance at home, from their parents or siblings, about sex and their changing body while navigating puberty, they are kinda forced into learning about it from interactions w/ their peers at school and in the neighborhood. But who needs to ban books when everyone has a phone?
I'm just grateful my kids were out of high school before they had cellphones.
To be oneself, and unafraid whether right or wrong, is more admirable than the easy cowardice of surrender to conformity
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 22, @04:10PM
I would prefer they keep the original and add *notes about the problematic sections. For the Chinese wing/wong section add a note about it being a good example of ignorant bigotry. Or change the wording but oreserve the original in a similar *note. Just removing the language entirely prevents readers from learning about human history.