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On Jeffrey Epstein, the ABC news coverup and breaking down of trust of the Mainstream Media
There has been lots of talk recently about distrust of the mainstream media, where rather than pursuing facts and the truth, they are accused of pursuing 'narratives' instead (i.e. what their billionaire owners, and the 0.1% class want you to hear / distract us with, rather than what is actually important or the facts in society today).
There are many examples of this : i.e. to this day Julian Assange is still referred to as an 'accused rapist' when mostpeople know that this is made up, and the real issue was that he embarrassed the US government.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48253343
Or Edward Snowden is a criminal rather than a whistleblower for unveiling that the US government was tapping into telephone fibers in the United States and spying on its own citizens
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-politics-23141922/snowden-criminal-not-whistleblowerOr that there is a 'shortage' of programmers in the United States, so we need to hand out visas like candy to H1-Bs, when everyone in the industry knows it is really about replacing Americans with cheaper labor
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-08/demand-for-programmers-hits-full-boil-as-u-s-job-market-simmersOr that that the focus on migration is on raids on Mexican woman and kids, rather than arresting the CEOs who run companies employing them illegally to start with (why isn't the CEO of this company in jail, and why doesn't any media ask this?)
https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicken-plants-raided-by-ice-willfully-and-unlawfully-hired-unauthorized-workers-court-documentsIt feels that mainstream news is more and more becoming like the 'Pravda' of the old USSR, where dictated 'narrative' written by the 0.1% supercedes facts and the full truth. It seems to happening more and more often these days, across all media outlets in this country. It is obvious when it happens, and makes the news painful to read as the narrative so often makes no sense anymore, as they try to 'twist' it into fake 'facts'.
And now there is Jeffrey Epstein..
This is the "Snowden reveals USA spies on you with taps in the fiber" moment.. Yes, there are conspiracy theories (which this is trying to be dismissed as), and then there are full blown coverups (which this actually is). Epstein supposedly preposterously managed to "commit suicide" in a high security prison. First the coroner indicated that it was a murder, then suddenly it was a 'suicide'. Reddit made jokes the whole way of this 'investigation' saying that the guards will be found to be 'asleep', the video system will be found to be 'broken'... and then all this 'happened', just as they said it would...
https://www.reddit.com/r/Epstein/
Now it may be surprising enough, that Epstein, (who is regarded as a 'financier', when really he was nothing such either - he was just pimping girls to very very rich people, and had set up a whole system and brothel (the 'Lolita Express' airliner jet, the private sex island..etc) to make his living with this) got away with this for years, but the bigger surprise is how the mainstream media went at light speed to promote the 'suicide' story, and then bury the whole thing as fast as possible, as Bill Clinton, members of the British Royal family, and hosts of other 0.1%'ers were found to have visited that island or had sex with girls there.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/16/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-autopsy-results.html
And as we suspected all along, no one was actually buying this 'suicide', not even the news reporters at major news organizations like ABC, who actually were gagged on reporting the truth while their bosses where spewing the 'narrative'.
https://www.businessinsider.com/amy-robach-abc-hot-mic-epstein-murdered-network-killed-story-2019-11And then there is this, Sinclair group owns a ton of TV stations in the USA...the owner literally dictated what the news casters should say..word for word, or not, to TVs all across the country as 'truth'... creepy as hell.. it doesn't get more Orwellian than this... and its real...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxtkvG1JnPkThis country no longer has free media. They claim that they want us to subscribe to their 'news', when it is nothing such.. It is narrative, paid for by billionaires for our consumption and to use us.
Why do we get daily articles on how big some Kardassian's butt is rather than daily articles on how bad inequality has gotten in this country, or why healthcare sucks while CEOs are getting rich on sick people, or how the middle class has been gutted by billionaires buying laws in congress (with specific names of people behind these 'think tanks' doing the corruption and law buying). The press in this country, which used to be a pillar of our democracy, has been totally and utterly corrupted, and is not worth listening to. The 'news' is mostly fake. Some papers are better (The Epoch Times, is probably the best I found so far though it too leaves a lot to be desired).
Why should we trust the mainstream media for anything anymore? And where can we go to find actual news based on 'facts' and 'truth' rather than 'narrative' and 'stories' made to distract us from the real issues in society, and the corruption and rot that now seems to have take over things so badly that anyone can be 'suicided' at will, and it becomes... 'the truth'.?
CBS fires whistleblower who leaked video about suppression of the Epstein story 3 yrs ago
CBS News fires staffer who had access to leaked Amy Robach audio
CBS News has fired a female staffer believed to have had access to the tape of Amy Robach raging against ABC News, Page Six understands.
We reported on Wednesday that ABC News chiefs discovered a former employee could be behind the leak of the damning footage of Robach slamming the network for shelving her interview with Jeffrey Epstein’s “sex slave” Virginia Roberts Giuffre. Sources told Page Six that a former staffer had access to the footage of Robach as she aired her frustrations over a hot mike — and that employee was now believed to be working at CBS.
A TV source told us later on Wednesday that the woman was let go from CBS, after ABC execs alerted the rival network.
ABC sources confirmed to us that they’d informed counterparts at CBS about the staffer “as a courtesy.”
(Score: 4, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Thursday November 07 2019, @08:18PM (20 children)
Suddenly, a page six article backup up by the hearsay of an anonymous source is the gold standard in EVIDENCE!
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday November 07 2019, @08:25PM (13 children)
Do tell!
At least this story is plausible
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Thursday November 07 2019, @08:31PM (11 children)
Thanks for immediately demonstrating my point.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday November 07 2019, @10:17PM (10 children)
What? It only describes how power works and who mass media serves. Does your "point" somehow dispute that?
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 07 2019, @10:41PM (9 children)
Some people around here don't want to admit the level of human trafficking that their "heros" and "trusted sources" have been involved in.
There is a reason Trump signed this EO: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-blocking-property-persons-involved-serious-human-rights-abuse-corruption/ [whitehouse.gov]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 07 2019, @11:11PM
Damn. I need that sex slave money.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 08 2019, @04:45AM (7 children)
A bunch of that EO reads like what the Articles of Impeachment [wikipedia.org] will eventually look like. Funny that.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 08 2019, @05:33AM (3 children)
Impeaching Trump over BS just means he has more time to campaign for 2020. Pence will continue the same policies in the meantime (for a couple months?). The plan doesn't even make sense.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 08 2019, @05:46AM (2 children)
So. You're calling Der Fuhrer's^W^W our fearless leaders' executive orders BS?
Where is your patriotism? Support the President or you're guilty of treason!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 08 2019, @06:17AM (1 child)
Nope.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 08 2019, @07:34AM
Where is your patriotism? Support the President or you're guilty of treason!
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 08 2019, @05:42PM (2 children)
Citation needed. Maybe you have a copy of a newspaper for - ohhhh - June Leventy-leventh of next year laying around?
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 08 2019, @11:33PM (1 child)
Stop trolling, jackass.
If you're lucky, maybe some Jehovah's Witnesses will knock on your door so you can shoot them.
(Score: 3, Touché) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday November 09 2019, @02:56AM
You must be new here.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 07 2019, @09:02PM
Lololllolol
Fusturdwhich the CeNtRiST
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 07 2019, @09:12PM (2 children)
The source is a New York Magazine/HuffPost contributor:
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1192447374985252864 [twitter.com]
So you don't trust the Huffington Post now either? Good, you are making progress.
(Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Thursday November 07 2019, @10:00PM (1 child)
That's not how sources work
From your link:
So we're apparently up to two anonymous sources.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 07 2019, @10:36PM
That is where all msm unfo comes from though.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 07 2019, @10:19PM (2 children)
Democrats in congress would seem to think so.
(Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Friday November 08 2019, @03:30PM (1 child)
Which of these is anonymous?
Here is the testimony of Marie Yovanovitch, the former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine [cbsnews.com]
Here is the testimony of top State Department official George Kent. [usatoday.com]
Here is the testimony of William Taylor, the top U.S. diplomat to Ukraine [npr.org]
(Score: 1, Troll) by fustakrakich on Friday November 08 2019, @06:42PM
There's a name for that [wikipedia.org]
And there's that other minor issue [thedailybeast.com], which under normal circumstances, would discredit the witness
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 07 2019, @09:05PM (8 children)
Journalism is not a charity, it is a commercial enterprise that needs to pay out to the owners more than they invest in it.
As a journalist, you work for the owners in exchange for your paycheck. You report what the owner wants reported, how he wants it reported. If you stray into matters concerning the (((owner)))'s social circle, that he does not want you to report on, he will no longer give you a paycheck. And the owner has the first amendment right to tell his friends about what you did.
You the journalist have a first amendment right to set up your own "press". And thanks to the internet, it is so much easier to publish your message now than it used to be. All you have to do is do your reporting and put it on your webpage for people to read. And live with the MSM calling your site crackpot, or alt-right. And live with Google boycotting your site. And random SJW pressure groups trying to get you deplatformed and unfriended. And getting your potential audience to care at all. And trying to actually earn money so that you can eat.
But don't despair, I'm sure the current government would welcome reporting more favorable to them.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Thursday November 07 2019, @10:02PM (4 children)
Yes, people may criticize your speech. Deal with it snowflake.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 07 2019, @10:15PM
If you're a reporter at *my* paper, and you criticize *my* speech, or work against *my* interests because you have delusions about being "The Resistance!", enjoy your free flight out *my* door.
It's a lesson in life many "journalists" are now learning.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday November 08 2019, @04:59AM (2 children)
That's what you took away from what he said? Fuck's sake man, that's arguing for the sake of arguing. Not a thing he said isn't a straight up fact of life.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 08 2019, @07:13PM
Ah, so you endorse anti-semitism and agree with the stupid swerping generalizations?
I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 08 2019, @07:36PM
That last sentence was really har to grok first and second read, took my poor old cpu three passes. This is what is really wrong with the software industry.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 08 2019, @05:55AM (2 children)
Tell that to the 170 or so non-profit news outlets in the US [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 08 2019, @06:33AM (1 child)
The director invests several ten thousand dollars annually as his "contribution". Friends, fools and the government pay the remainder of the costs. The org better pay him a couple hundred thousand annually, or he's going elsewhere.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 08 2019, @07:37AM
Not *everything* is about money. What a sad, petty little man you are. I pity you.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 07 2019, @09:16PM (14 children)
MSM has truly become the modern propaganda machine.
To fix this people are moving to news aggregation sites like this one. However, this site does no better with the editorial bias and serious time based limitations.
We need some news topics to create an on-going conversatio , maintain the ability to focus/discuss topics for more than a few days, etc. There are so many technical ways to improve discourse while maintaining freedom like URL highlighting tags to indicate the trustworthiness of source sites. Or adding a citations section to articles where people's sources get aggregated.
Just providing a sanitized copy of the database for news articles and commentary would go a long way to proving the site values the community.
The MSM may suck, but as we see here daily the same thing is happening on a more granular level. Either we build better systems that truly value freedom, including letting users set their own filters, or we limp along complaining. SN is better than MSM but not by all that much and only because the admins/eds are ideologically pro-freedom even if they fail in practice from time to time.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Thursday November 07 2019, @10:14PM (1 child)
I could add URL highlighting to the extension. The easiest way would be to check the [domain] next to the link and apply a color to it based on user-defined list(s) and the current theme. For example, breitbart.com could appear in "danger red" so it would be instantly recognized even when skimming the page.
[SIG] 10/28/2017: Soylent Upgrade v14 [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 08 2019, @02:26AM
Breitbart is certainly biased, but also far less dishonest than any of the major news outlets.
We're in a strange world now, where a major news outlet (ABC again) shows video of a Kentucky gun range event and claims that it is Turkey killing Kurds in Syria.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 07 2019, @10:20PM (9 children)
Once your new site is up, let us know.
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 08 2019, @12:25AM (8 children)
Ah yes, the boomer-style perspective. Who cares about improving the current system, if you don't like it go build a whole new one!
I wasn't even bitching about SN, just pointing out reality and how it could be made better. SN is modeled quite strictly after the MSM with user journals being the op-ed section of "news" sites. That isn't some zinger or trash talk, just reality.
Sad you're so stuck in the adversarial mindset.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 08 2019, @01:20AM
weak sauce
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 08 2019, @01:40AM (2 children)
AC you replied to here.
I'm not a boomer. Nor am I averse to improvements.
I'm not really very adversarial either.
However, you weren't really making a whole lot of sense outside the paragraph I quoted.
I can already continue conversations for weeks or months if I choose to do so. I can also set "filters" about what I wish to read. None of that requires access to a copy of the database (which would be instantly out of date unless SN allowed live updates via SQL across the Internet -- What say you TheMightyBuzzard?).
Changing the colors of links to indicate quality isn't a bad idea. The question then becomes "Who decides on the quality of a particular site/link?" What could go wrong?
As for adding a "citations" section, why does it have to be formalized? Is there something wrong with a link to the cited material?
If you'd like to see changes to this site, I'm sure the admins and developers would love to have you on board to implement them.
Maybe create a mock up in your journal, or detail the specifics of what you want. I'm all over it. Let's see what you can do, friend!
(Score: 2) by takyon on Friday November 08 2019, @03:57AM (1 child)
User-defined lists make the most sense. I can and likely will add this feature to the extension since it seems interesting.
Whenever a "bad" website is linked in a comment, users will be instantly alerted to it by bright colors or even animations, and they will complain immediately.
[SIG] 10/28/2017: Soylent Upgrade v14 [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 08 2019, @04:13AM
I actually think that's not such a great idea, as it enhances the "information bubble" phenomenon.
As you can see from this comment and the reply to it:
https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=34277&page=1&cid=911169#commentwrap [soylentnews.org]
However, folks are going to do what they want regardless of what I think -- and that's fine with me. But it won't have the salutory effect that GP thinks it could.
All that said, I have no issue either way, I just won't use such a thing.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday November 08 2019, @05:13AM (3 children)
And that's a pissy little millennial pansy attitude. If you want something to exist that other people aren't providing, make it happen yourself. You know, like SN did. If you just sit around with your thumb up your ass complaining, you're not going to get anything but a dirty thumb and scorned.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 08 2019, @07:16PM (2 children)
Ok twiggy
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday November 08 2019, @11:32PM (1 child)
You think I want to fuck Dan Akroyd? Man, you got issues.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 09 2019, @02:14AM
Who doesn't? Unless, of course, you can have Bill Murray instead. :)
(Score: 3, Touché) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday November 08 2019, @05:08AM
Here you go [github.com], go for it.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Saturday November 09 2019, @05:09PM
https://jmichaelhudson.net/global-debate/ [jmichaelhudson.net]
https://jmichaelhudson.net/my-friends-and-i/ [jmichaelhudson.net]
https://jmichaelhudson.net/decultification/ [jmichaelhudson.net]
I hope this helps you on your quest, or you could help me on mine.
(Score: 5, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Thursday November 07 2019, @10:44PM (1 child)
If only they had run the story, though, Epstein might've managed to implicate Trump before Barr allowed him to be murdered!
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 07 2019, @11:06PM
Unlikely since Trump was the only one to cooperate in the 2008 case according to the prosecutor: https://youtu.be/Yqb59n69Z80 [youtu.be]
Also, Trump is the one who brought Epstein back into the public consciousness in 2015: https://youtu.be/kEAj2qbB3DA [youtu.be]
And earlier Trump banned Epstein from his club for assaulting an underage girl:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/labor-nominee-acosta-cut-deal-with-billionaire-in-sex-abuse-case-involving-40-underage-girls/2017/03/21/d33271a8-0d85-11e7-ab07-07d9f521f6b5_story.html [washingtonpost.com]
So it seems very unlikely anything bad about Trump would come from any kind of Epstein revelation. As usual you are peddling fake news meant to distract from the people actually responsible for the crimes.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Friday November 08 2019, @03:49AM (17 children)
https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=32836&page=1&cid=872463#commentwrap [soylentnews.org]
THEN winds up 'suicided' and...yeah. Who really believes he killed himself...
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 2) by takyon on Friday November 08 2019, @04:05AM (16 children)
It was one of the easiest predictions to make (guy apparently attempts suicide, found dead at a later date), and a big joke before AND after it happened. But there was still an element of surprise, like it happened ahead of schedule.
And as we can see, it's still causing mayhem.
[SIG] 10/28/2017: Soylent Upgrade v14 [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 08 2019, @05:04AM (1 child)
Do not forget the "conspiracy theory" that he had been extracted (either as an escape or into the witness protection program) began before his death was in the news. And that this "death" happened 2 days after Barr supposedly visited the prison.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 08 2019, @05:14AM
Sorry, the rumor was two weeks.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday November 08 2019, @03:32PM (13 children)
FBI studies two broken cameras outside cell where Epstein died: source [reuters.com]
What a coincidence!
I'm sure the DOJ totally didn't let him get murdered!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 08 2019, @04:57PM (12 children)
Could be, the DOJ and FBI are obviously corrupt as fuck.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday November 08 2019, @07:54PM (11 children)
Boy, if only the President of the United States had some control over the DOJ and FBI!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 08 2019, @08:05PM
It was the swamp what killed dat pedo! Trump innosent!
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 08 2019, @08:35PM (9 children)
I can't tell if this is sarcastic or not. He clearly has not had control over them... You need to be pretty dense to think otherwise.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday November 08 2019, @09:51PM (8 children)
The President of the United States is the head of the Executive Branch of the Federal Government. The US Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation ore both part of the Executive branch.
Donald Trump appointed William Barr as United States Attorney General, which is the head of the DOJ, in 2019.
Trump also appointed Christopher Wray as Director of the FBI in 2017.
There's this thing called the Constitution that documents all this stuff.
Boy, they should start teaching civics in troll school!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 08 2019, @11:53PM (7 children)
Whatever, I am done responding to this account. It is either a retard or a troll.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 09 2019, @02:18AM (6 children)
Yup. Everyone here is one or the other or both.
Much more reasonable people over at gab.ai. See you there!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 09 2019, @04:15AM (1 child)
The whit what's already replaced Clinton with her clone, you are next.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 09 2019, @01:44PM
Johnny Cochran, is that you? [youtube.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 09 2019, @04:22AM (3 children)
In fact you probably have already been replaced by a clone, but do not realize it. You are already a clone and doing their bidding while harbouring a false sense of self determination.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 09 2019, @01:40PM (1 child)
Who are "they," and how is auto-erotic [mummification|mastication|defenestration|osteo-elongation] doing their bidding?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 09 2019, @03:23PM
Exactly what a clone would say!
So this thread contains trolls, idioti, and clones.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 09 2019, @08:48PM
Not me. I'm consciously doing their bidding!
(Score: 3, Informative) by shortscreen on Saturday November 09 2019, @03:09AM (5 children)
Ashley Bianco has been interviewed by Megyn Kelly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87PVEXMN5qE [youtube.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 09 2019, @04:27AM (4 children)
So now interviews with people who violate the rules count as evidence?
(Score: 2) by shortscreen on Saturday November 09 2019, @07:06AM (3 children)
I'd say that an interview with a person that was fired by CBS is pretty good evidence that a person was fired by CBS. I don't know what else you were looking for.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 09 2019, @03:26PM (2 children)
She is a proven rule breaker so how can we trust her? And the video could be a deep fake, did you check for that?
(Score: 2) by shortscreen on Saturday November 09 2019, @07:46PM (1 child)
If it's a deep fake or an alien body double or whatever, I'm assuming that CBS would issue a denial.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 10 2019, @01:43AM
Denying it would only lend it more legitimacy though.