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posted by janrinok on Wednesday October 21 2015, @01:06AM   Printer-friendly
from the mop-and-bucket dept.

Rafael Minder writes in the NY Times that almost 50 years after coming close to possibly provoking a nuclear disaster, Secretary of State John Kerry, following years of wrangling between Spain and the US, signed an agreement to remove contaminated soil from an area in southern Spain where an American warplane accidentally dropped hydrogen bombs.

In 1966 a bomber collided with a refueling tanker in midair and dropped four hydrogen bombs, two of which released plutonium into the atmosphere. No warheads detonated, narrowly averting what could have been an explosion more powerful than the atomic strikes against Japan at the end of World War II. Four days after the accident, the Spanish government stated that "the Palomares incident was evidence of the dangers created by NATO's use of the Gibraltar airstrip", announcing that NATO aircraft would no longer be permitted to fly over Spanish territory either to or from Gibraltar. The US later announced that it would no longer fly over Spain with nuclear weapons, and the Spanish government formally banned US flights over its territory that carried such weapons.

Neither Kerry nor Spanish Foreign Minister García-Margallo said exactly how much contaminated soil would be sent back, where it would be stored in the United States, or who would pay for the cleanup — some of the issues that have held up a deal until now. Spain has insisted that any contaminated soil be sent to the United States, because Spain does not have plants to store it. Concern over the site was reawakened in the 1990s when tests revealed high levels of americium, an isotope of plutonium, and further tests showed that 50,000 cubic meters of earth were still contaminated. The Spanish government appropriated the land in 2003 to prevent it being used.


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  • (Score: 4, Informative) by takyon on Wednesday October 21 2015, @01:24AM

    by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Wednesday October 21 2015, @01:24AM (#252556) Journal

    when tests revealed high levels of americium, an isotope of plutonium, and further tests showed

    Hmm... [wikipedia.org] I'm blaming the Granuiad for this one.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 21 2015, @07:13AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 21 2015, @07:13AM (#252623)
      Or is it americium and an isotope of plutonium?
  • (Score: 2) by GungnirSniper on Wednesday October 21 2015, @01:26AM

    by GungnirSniper (1671) on Wednesday October 21 2015, @01:26AM (#252558) Journal

    Sink it around Gibraltar and let that city grow! Take that, ya bull murderers!

    • (Score: 2) by frojack on Wednesday October 21 2015, @02:20AM

      by frojack (1554) on Wednesday October 21 2015, @02:20AM (#252569) Journal

      I'm sure you were in jest, but spreading it out in the ocean away from on-shore currents is probably exactly what will end up being done, whether or not it first comes to the US.

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      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday October 21 2015, @02:48AM

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 21 2015, @02:48AM (#252580) Journal

        That's probably best. When we've finished poisoning the earth and the seas, that radioactive material will probably benefit the mutants. Give them a leg up on the long road of evolution, so that the earth can repopulate itself in 4 million years, instead of 20 or 40 million.

        • (Score: 2) by frojack on Wednesday October 21 2015, @04:57AM

          by frojack (1554) on Wednesday October 21 2015, @04:57AM (#252611) Journal

          Ummm, where do you think this radioactive material came from in the first place?

          Was it perhaps extracted from dispersed soils ?

          Would not dispersing it widely to the ocean floor be the best solution?
          Or do you have a safer place for it? Maybe re-refine it, perhaps? Make new bombs perhaps?

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          • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 21 2015, @05:45AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 21 2015, @05:45AM (#252613)

            I think what you are looking for is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breeder_reactor [wikipedia.org]

          • (Score: 3, Informative) by FakeBeldin on Wednesday October 21 2015, @11:19AM

            by FakeBeldin (3360) on Wednesday October 21 2015, @11:19AM (#252678) Journal

            From Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]: "Most americium is produced by bombarding uranium or plutonium with neutrons in nuclear reactors"

            So: no, probably not extracted from dispersed soils.

            • (Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Wednesday October 21 2015, @10:05PM

              by maxwell demon (1608) on Wednesday October 21 2015, @10:05PM (#252943) Journal

              GP:

              Ummm, where do you think this radioactive material came from in the first place?

              Parent:

              From Wikipedia

              Who would have thought? :-)

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        • (Score: 1) by Osamabobama on Wednesday October 21 2015, @06:04PM

          by Osamabobama (5842) on Wednesday October 21 2015, @06:04PM (#252852)

          Godzilla will rise from the ocean much sooner than 4 million years, otherwise why bother?

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 22 2015, @08:57PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 22 2015, @08:57PM (#253376)

        Dumping radioactive waste in the sea is prohibited by the London Convention on the Prevention of Marine Pollution by Dumping of Wastes and Other Matter [wikipedia.org] of which the United States is a signatory.

  • (Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 21 2015, @02:56AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 21 2015, @02:56AM (#252581)

    In the Palomares incident, the conventional explosives in two of the four Mk28 warheads detonated on impact and scattered nasty shit in all directions.
    Probably caused a bunch of cancer cases.
    The built-in safeties did prevent the thermonuclear part from obliterating the town.

    ...then there's the Goldsboro incident [nuclearfiles.org]

    January 23, 1961
    A B-52 bomber carrying two 24 megaton bombs crashes at Goldsboro, North Carolina. On one of the bombs, five of six interlocking safety devices fail, and a single switch prevents detonation. The explosion would have been 1,800 times more powerful than the bomb exploded at Hiroshima.

    All six must fire in sequence in order to explode the bomb. In this case, the fall had set off five of the six interlocks [google.com]

    We have survived an age of insanity--so far.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 21 2015, @03:43AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 21 2015, @03:43AM (#252592)

      We have survived an age of insanity--so far.

      If one detonation was to occur it would not lead to the end of civilization let alone the species. I'd imagine someone was saying the exact same thing when the club and the spear were invented.

    • (Score: 2) by fritsd on Wednesday October 21 2015, @11:27AM

      by fritsd (4586) on Wednesday October 21 2015, @11:27AM (#252679) Journal

      Don't worry, gewg, nowadays we have to be afraid of islamic terrorists.

      So, that means all the cold war bombs have magically gone away in reality, as well as from our mind's eye. Right?

      P.S. have you heard of this guy Stanislav Yefgrafovich Petrov [wikipedia.org]?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 21 2015, @09:22PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 21 2015, @09:22PM (#252924)

        Yeah. I have mentioned The Man Who Saved the World previously. [soylentnews.org]

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 21 2015, @02:42PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 21 2015, @02:42PM (#252773)

      Probably caused a bunch of cancer cases.

      Why do you blindly say that? Is it because it is about "radiation"?

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by hemocyanin on Wednesday October 21 2015, @03:20AM

    by hemocyanin (186) on Wednesday October 21 2015, @03:20AM (#252590) Journal

    WTF? It was our bomb, our plane -- why in the world does it take 50 years to admit responsibility for our own accident and clean up our own mess.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 21 2015, @04:25AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 21 2015, @04:25AM (#252605)

      Gotta look super tough, can't let the russkies see us make such a blunder. Never underestimate the power of human ego... Every country does it, every person does it. We are STILL doing it.

      • (Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Wednesday October 21 2015, @04:37AM

        by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Wednesday October 21 2015, @04:37AM (#252610) Homepage

        And all the other "civilized" nations are still too chickenshit to stand up to us and our interests.

        • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 21 2015, @05:48AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 21 2015, @05:48AM (#252614)

          I will give them this: standing up to the US will incur severe economic penalties, possibly military. When your people suffer and your explanation is moral superiority / sense of duty... yeah... oddly that is the quicker route to getting a lynch mob than directly robbing the people and lying about it.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 21 2015, @02:46PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 21 2015, @02:46PM (#252776)

            will incur severe economic penalties, possibly military.

            Obvious for the first point, which is what EVERY country uses as leverage, and bullshit on the second point. Yeah, there was going to be that massive invasion on Spain over this.

    • (Score: 2) by moondrake on Wednesday October 21 2015, @09:24AM

      by moondrake (2658) on Wednesday October 21 2015, @09:24AM (#252646)

      Well, I am sure there was some kind of deal involved now. The US cleans the area, and in exchange Spain will...probably agree to something nasty with trade agreement deals and such.

    • (Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday October 21 2015, @10:25AM

      by Bot (3902) on Wednesday October 21 2015, @10:25AM (#252666) Journal

      This one is only 35yrs old but it's not looking good either.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerolinee_Itavia_Flight_870 [wikipedia.org]

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 21 2015, @02:18PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 21 2015, @02:18PM (#252749)

        What does that have to do with anything, the flight you were talking about did not crash due to an accident, was not carrying nuclear bombs, did not involve Spain or the US.

  • (Score: 2) by Jiro on Wednesday October 21 2015, @02:23PM

    by Jiro (3176) on Wednesday October 21 2015, @02:23PM (#252755)

    As pointed out in the Slashdot comments, the idea that this "narrowly averted" a bigger than Hiroshima nuclear explosion is ludicrous.