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posted by Fnord666 on Wednesday March 22 2017, @02:26PM   Printer-friendly
from the spin-me-a-tale dept.

Over 200 years after steamships first began crossing the ocean, wind power is finding its way back into seafaring. Global shipping firm Maersk is planning to fit spinning "rotor sails" to one of its oil tankers as a way of reducing its fuel costs and carbon emissions. The company behind the technology, Finnish firm Norsepower, says this is the first retrofit installation of a wind-powered energy system on a tanker.

Yet the idea of using these spinning cylinders on ships to generate thrust and drive them forward was first trialled in 1924 – and shortly after disregarded. So why do Norsepower and Maersk (and the UK government, which is providing most of the £3.5m of funding), think this time the technology will be more of a success?

The rotor sail was invented by German engineer Anton Flettner. It is effectively a large, spinning metal cylinder that uses something called the Magnus effect to harness wind power and propel a ship.

How does it work?

When wind passes the spinning rotor sail, the air flow accelerates on one side and decelerates on the opposite side. This creates a thrust force that is perpendicular to the wind flow direction. Although it takes energy in the form of electricity to spin the sail, the thrust it produces means the engines can be significantly throttled back, so it reduces overall fuel use and emissions.


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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 22 2017, @02:38PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 22 2017, @02:38PM (#482726)

    A friend recently linked me to a YouTube demonstration [youtube.com] of the Magnus effect. Ha ha ha

    Ok, I can't quite laugh like that guy does.

    • (Score: 1) by Scruffy Beard 2 on Wednesday March 22 2017, @04:57PM

      by Scruffy Beard 2 (6030) on Wednesday March 22 2017, @04:57PM (#482829)

      I think I agree with the commentor pointing out that is probably the closest he has come to actually injuring himself (on video anyway).

  • (Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Wednesday March 22 2017, @03:08PM (6 children)

    by bzipitidoo (4388) on Wednesday March 22 2017, @03:08PM (#482753) Journal

    The past few days, I've been watching the iceberg collision and sinking of the Titanic as depicted in the 1997 movie. Why? Maybe it's that at a subconscious level I'm worried about the Trump presidency? Anyway, I found the steam power tech of that time fascinatingly primitive and gross, and wondered how modern cruise ships are powered.

    Learned that there is still one ship, the Queen Mary 2, that does transatlantic trips. Takes a week and costs $1500 per person, one way. The QM2 is basically a diesel electric, much like a modern train engine. It's built for speed more than lazy cruising, with propellers front and rear, and a maximum speed of 35 mph. Has a bulbous bow projection under the water line, to reduce drag, and I read it was repainted with drag reducing paint in 2008. But no sails of any sort, and I wondered why not?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 22 2017, @03:26PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 22 2017, @03:26PM (#482766)

      The chances are low that a suitable wind would be available to propel a ship at anything like that speed, constructed like that.

      You can get extremely fast sailing vessels, but they're as far on the bleeding edge of materials science and dynamics as, say, Formula 1 cars.

      Tankers don't travel as fast as the Queen Mary. They cruise at (depending on various factors) somewhere between 15 and 20 knots, with oil prices playing a role in how fast they cruise.

      The big problem with the spinning cylinder approach is that you can't trim it (other than reversing direction), so you're dependent on a suitable wind, after the added vector of induced wind, to be useful, and that's hard to guarantee. However, if you have a wind that is, after induced wind, off your beam, then it can be useful, but given that the net wind will only be off your beam less than half the time, the real world usefulness of this remains to be seen.

      • (Score: 2) by massa on Wednesday March 22 2017, @03:34PM

        by massa (5547) on Wednesday March 22 2017, @03:34PM (#482772)

        20 knots = 37 km/h according to Google.

      • (Score: 1, Redundant) by massa on Wednesday March 22 2017, @04:01PM (2 children)

        by massa (5547) on Wednesday March 22 2017, @04:01PM (#482792)

        QM2's maximum speed is 30 knots and cruising speed is 26 knots, not mph (not a large difference)

        • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 22 2017, @05:49PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 22 2017, @05:49PM (#482847)

          Knot a large difference.
          ftfy

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 22 2017, @07:40PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 22 2017, @07:40PM (#482908)

          30 knots = 35 mph.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 23 2017, @03:15PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 23 2017, @03:15PM (#483242)

      Inserted a jab at Trump into a story that is completely unrelated? Success! We are all now aware that you dislike the president even though none of us asked. Good job!

  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 22 2017, @03:28PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 22 2017, @03:28PM (#482768)

    Magnus Effect [wikipedia.org]

    Quite clear and really interesting to think about. It's almost obvious in hindsight that pressure differentials are what cause objects to create a force perpendicular to the axis of rotation, but not something you'd really think about without really wondering about at first! I think the video on the wiki page helps clarify it most. The spin results in lower pressure on left, higher pressure on right resulting in the pipe being 'pushed' towards low pressure.

    Interesting that Newton wrote about it following observation and consideration of a tennis game. The things most of us consider now a days when watching a sports game... something has gone very wrong in education.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 22 2017, @03:55PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 22 2017, @03:55PM (#482787)

      The things most of us consider now a days when watching a sports game... something has gone very wrong in education.

      You're not a baseball fan, apparently. You can't watch a Clayton Kershaw curveball or a knuckleballer like Tim Wakefield and not think about what the hell is going on.

      Then, of course, there's those who "Bend it like Beckham".

  • (Score: 5, Funny) by Thexalon on Wednesday March 22 2017, @03:38PM (3 children)

    by Thexalon (636) on Wednesday March 22 2017, @03:38PM (#482778)

    With the New Age of Sail also comes the New Age of Piracy. Which means that we'll soon have New Age Pirates everywhere, talking something like this:
    "Now, a bit of yoga will help warm you up when you're firing 10-pounders into the hulls of your enemy. Also, be sure to get in a solid 15-minute mindfulness meditation after making an enemy walk the plank. Namastaysail!"

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    • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Wednesday March 22 2017, @05:22PM (2 children)

      by bob_super (1357) on Wednesday March 22 2017, @05:22PM (#482837)

      With spinning metallic sails which have no rigging, the whole "flying about the ship using the ropes, going down the sail with a knife" is going to be quite a bit different.
      New-age pirates need suction cups and dramamine.

  • (Score: 2) by Whoever on Wednesday March 22 2017, @04:13PM (2 children)

    by Whoever (4524) on Wednesday March 22 2017, @04:13PM (#482803) Journal

    People have been talking about supplementing ship power with sails for decades.

    I'll believe this when there is a full-size demonstration crossing the oceans.

    • (Score: 2) by richtopia on Wednesday March 22 2017, @05:54PM

      by richtopia (3160) on Wednesday March 22 2017, @05:54PM (#482852) Homepage Journal

      I particularly remember SkySails, which are a large foil kite to assist a ship. I think I've also seen similar but with a balloon, but cannot remember the name.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SkySails [wikipedia.org]

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 22 2017, @08:24PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 22 2017, @08:24PM (#482926)

      A rotor sail ship crossed the Atlantic in 1926, according the Guardian article.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 22 2017, @05:11PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 22 2017, @05:11PM (#482834)

    Is this for only when you are travelling in certain directions, or wouldn't you generally need a keel? How does that work for a container ship?

    • (Score: 2) by el_oscuro on Thursday March 23 2017, @12:08AM

      by el_oscuro (1711) on Thursday March 23 2017, @12:08AM (#483001)

      You would definitely need a keel. It is just as important as the sail. For a container ship, it would have to be retractable. Then again, the keel on the little 19' Flying Scots I use to sail also have a retractable keel.

      You can sail upwind by taking to the left and right of the wind. It is obviously slower then sailing downwind.

      The strangest sensation though is sailing directly downwind without any tack or jive. You might be sailing 15 knots but you will feel absolutely no wind.

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