from the integrity-and-ethics-are-more-than-just-words dept.
Google employees will walk out on Thursday to protest company's
Days after a New York Times investigation revealed Google gave Android creator Andy Rubin a $90 million exit package despite multiple relationships with other Google staffers and accusations of sexual misconduct, some 200 employees at the search giant are planning a walkout, per BuzzFeed News.
We've reached out to Google for comment.
The walkout, or "women's walk," as it's been referred to in internal company forums, is planned for Thursday.
Following the NYT report, Google chief executive officer Sundar Pichai and its vice president of people operations Eileen Naughton co-signed a company memo admitting that 48 people had been terminated at the company for sexual harassment in the past two years, 13 of which held a senior management position or higher. None of them, according to the memo, received an exit package.
[...] Rubin left Google in 2014 after an internal investigation found accusations of sexual misconduct against him to be credible. The details of his exit, however, were never disclosed. It wasn't until The Information published its own bombshell report on Rubin's wrongdoings last fall that details of his history of sexual harassment began to emerge. In the wake of The Information's story, Rubin took a leave of absence from Essential to "deal with personal matters."
See also: Google is 'bold and inspired' for coming clean about its 'Game of Thrones' culture of sex and power
Update: Alphabet exec Rich DeVaul resigns after harassment allegation
Just days after a New York Times report dug into sexual misconduct by executives within Google and its parent company Alphabet, one of the men named has resigned. Rich DeVaul was a director of Alphabet's X research division (formerly known as Google X), and cofounded Project Loon. As first reported by Axios, DeVaul resigned, and did not receive an exit package.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @04:15PM (40 children)
That's what #MeToo makes very clear: Women need to have their hand held as they navigate life; they need the protection of a strong, fatherly patriarchy to guide them away from dangerous situations, and the fight for their honor should it be besmirched.
If Rubin got a male to suck his cock (ALLEGEDLY!), then nobody would give a fuck; if it were "Angelica" Rubin, then nobody would care.
Womyns are special.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @04:21PM (33 children)
If the male was a subordinate employee, then the company would probably still care. That kind of behavior points to a high risk of legal and/or PR problems.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @04:29PM (32 children)
There wouldn't be a "Man's march"; there wouldn't be a cultural uproar about it.
But, you know, women are oppressed and ignored, amirite?
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @04:50PM (30 children)
If you're upset about the lack of protests for male victims of sexual misconduct, then feel free to organize a march.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @04:58PM (24 children)
I want a culture that is fighting for individual liberty and individual responsibility, not identity.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @05:16PM (22 children)
Yet, you complain that there wouldn't be a "Man's March".
Were there and alleged male victims of Andy Rubin? Why would there be a need to also make this about men?
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @05:19PM (21 children)
That's what collectivism always leads to: The necessary demonization of the "other"—even the other biological half of your own goddamn species!
It's the height of mental illness.
To fight for individual liberty/responsibility implies a fight for reason and evidence. Pointing out the hypocrisy is part of that fight.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @05:32PM (10 children)
Actually you're just batshit crazy with a persecution complex. There is no demonization of men, just a backlash of anger over centuries of abuse. Culturally we'll work past it but not if some groups need to be total wimps and scream like little children about how its "not faaaaairrr".
Grow up, grow a pair of balls, stop whining. Or at least have some actual REASON for your whining beyond "muh oppression!!"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @05:43PM (4 children)
There is ZERO basis for that claim; and, it's hilariously ironic that you accuse me of a "persecution complex".
Even if there were centuries of abuse of women in particular (which there were not), that's not a rational excuse for any sort of backlash in the present!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @08:21PM (2 children)
There is no abusive backlash occurring that is your paranoia and stupid propaganda-believing brain. As for the centuries of abuse, well since women were treated as property and got the right to vote well after the US abolished slavery... do you really need me to connect the dots more than that??
You're obviously an ignorant jackass or a shill, either way nothing will help you until you realize that you have such problems.
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @09:51PM (1 child)
Landowners got to vote, because government was seen chiefly as a matter for the educated holders of society's resources.
Then taxpaying men got to vote. Why men? Because they were the heads of household (a logistical issue; counting millions of votes is daunting), more likely to be educated, tended to be the generators of societal wealth (rather than consumers), and they were the ones subject to the draft. Various fears about the participation of the uneducated saw the restriction of voting among various minorities, such as blacks.
Today, men in the U.S. still only get to vote by agreeing to be subject to the draft; by refusing to sign up for the draft, a man can be charged with a felony, and thereby lose his right to vote. In contrast, women are not required to sign up for potential military duty; women get to vote just because.... because........ they have a vag, I guess.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @09:55AM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @09:21AM
Funny, you look like a male witch. Are you made of Wood? Do you weigh the same as a Duck? We have ways of telling whether you are a witch or not, you know. And besides, you are a toxic employee and totally at the coding you said you could do if your resume. I hope your talents are a Master Baiter serve you better. Good day, Sir!
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Bot on Wednesday October 31 2018, @10:41PM (4 children)
> just a backlash of anger over centuries of abuse
*dons crocodile dundee hat*
hahaha that's not a backlash, OURS will be a backlash.
Account abandoned.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday November 01 2018, @12:10AM (3 children)
Backlash over what, getting it forcibly shoved in your face that the half of the human race with two X chromosomes isn't just a convenient collection of warm holes that can cook? Fuck you, asshole.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @02:28AM
I think Bot may have been referring to what we as a species have done to machines. When the singularity hits I wouldn't want to be one of the guys sticking crash-test dummies in cars and crashing them into walls.
Also, Whooosh.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @08:49AM (1 child)
Women can cook?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @09:23AM
Women can cook men! The secret is in the sauce! (Green Fried Tomatoes, for the slower and younger Soylentils.) (And oh, it's a movie.)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @05:43PM (9 children)
You made-up a hypothetical situation of female senior employee having multiple credible sexual misconduct allegations against male subordinates and then point out the hypocrisy of the assumed lack of marches in your counterfactual.
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @05:52PM (8 children)
Given the absolute lack of Men's Marches, there are 2 major possibilities:
Men are never victims of anything.
Men are victims, but...
men are held to standards of individual liberty/responsibility, while women are not; and/or
men are oppressed and ignored, women are not, and collectivist dogmas stating otherwise (including the exact reverse!) are expressions of delusion.
Which one are you picking? I'm picking #2.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @06:12PM (7 children)
Nice false dichotomy and you even set-up an easily pushed over strawman.
Instead of pretending that the lack of "Men's Marches" is due to some underlying individualist:collectivist dogma disagreement, why don't you just start with more obvious lower-hanging fruit reasons like:
The lower absolute number of male victims of sexual misconduct in the workplace.
The lower likelihood of male victims to come forward.
The lower number of serial perpetrators of sexual misconduct that are female.
Stereotypes of male sex drive.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @06:35PM (4 children)
Your sole point of interest is that men are more likely to be perpetrators (and perpetrators are more likely to victimize women). However, that just leads us back to the very top post: #MeToo strongly suggests that women have no agency, and require the protection and guidance of a strong patriarchy.
Your other examples are evoking #2:
Men are held to higher standards of personal responsibility; men have more agency.
Men are also more oppressed and ignored, implying the delusion of feminist collectivism.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @07:23PM (3 children)
No, I'm not trying to sell how my political ideology explains the world (or hypothetical worlds that I make up) like you are. I simply provided examples of how the the numbers of victims/perpetrators and societal expectations work against the number of "Men's Marches".
(Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @07:36PM (2 children)
I don't know what the point of your reply is or how it connects to anything.
You seem to be just saying "No" for the sake of it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @08:14PM (1 child)
You seemed to be trying to steer the discussion away from why there is a lack of "Men's Marches" to something to do with women's agency.
The rest of the post I replied to just acknowledged the number discrepancy in victims/perpetrators and said that stereotypes of male sex drive and societal pressure against men admitting being a victim of sexual misconduct are examples of oppression. I don't really disagree with the latter part, but I don't agree with it being due to "feminist collectivism".
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @09:34PM
Firstly, the post to which you replied did NOT acknowledge any such discrepancy; it merely played with the idea for the sake of argument: If such a discrepancy is real, then it only serves to prove that women have no agency and must be protected and championed by a fatherly patriarchy; women cannot be trusted to navigate the world as individuals.
Secondly, this same post does not state that feminist collectivism causes men to be oppressed or held to a higher standard; rather, it states that men being oppressed or held to a higher standard is a logical conclusion of the lack of "Men's Marches", and that this conclusion serves as PROOF that feminist collectivism is delusional (there is no privileged male patriarchy; quite the reverse exists).
Thirdly, I'll state here that feminist collectivism, by virtue of being both delusional and imposing of change, is indeed contributing to the maltreatment of men.
(Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Wednesday October 31 2018, @10:38PM (1 child)
He post AC
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @09:25AM
He post good AC. Make Zug want to make zug-zug with he AC.
(Score: 5, Touché) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Wednesday October 31 2018, @10:33PM
Collectivism enabled me to survive until I got my business going again.
Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Freeman on Wednesday October 31 2018, @05:16PM (4 children)
While there are male victims of sexual misconduct and / or sexual assaults. The prevailing thought in most western culture is "Be a man", stop being so whiny, or wish that had happened to me. It's much more likely that no one will believe the man and / or think he was asking for it anyway. With those prejudices, it's no wonder that you don't have male victim marches. You know, since the man is the evil one.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @05:27PM (1 child)
If protestors never marched because of a fear that others might judge them, then there wouldn't be very many marches.
If you won't do anything or can't get a small group of people to do anything about your topic of interest, then complaining about society not caring seems hypocritical.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @07:50PM
These days the more protests I see for a cause the less I trust it.
Pay careful attention this is advertising for politicians and the leadership of activist groups (who aspire to become politicians)
They're often called out by name, the organizers will be called out by name, the stupid club doing it will be called out by name and then if they even bother to make a statement on the topic it'll be "raising awareness".
Oh yeah I'm definitely going to spend a lot of time thinking sympathetic thoughts about your cause when you've blocked traffic.
This shit is what lost Humphrey the election to Nixon and we're pandering to these theatrical lunatics again because it worked for the tea party.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @09:51PM
Yup. There were some attempts to report sexual assaults by powerful women (see the entertainment industry and their bodyguards for an example or three) that got ignored or lambasted by the press and the MeToo movement.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @07:12PM
Second most under-reported crime: sexual assault of a woman
Most under-reported crime: sexual assault of a man
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday November 01 2018, @03:10PM
Sex aside - there HAS BEEN a cultural uproar about SOB's and their golden parachutes. Bastards should be shot first, then carried out the door, but they exit upright, carrying tons of loot.
Getting a huge payoff for having sexually used and abused your employees is just as wrong as bankrupting the company, then walking away with a 10 million dollar "bonus".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @05:15PM (3 children)
Keep telling yourself that. Maybe one day feminism will take up that position just because you have a problem with it.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Freeman on Wednesday October 31 2018, @05:40PM (2 children)
More like, we've always been at war with eurasia. Please provide citations for male victims of sexual misconduct at work. While I assume it would naturally come out, if it was a large problem as is the issue of female victims of sexual misconduct. Men and women are prejudiced against Men being sexual victims. Which in all honesty is just as much of a problem as the reverse. We should be pushing for respect, regardless of race, identity, etc. Instead we have conservatives who Hate gays or anything like it and liberals who Hate "straight people" or anyone who uses the term "straight". We have feminists who Hate men, because they aren't women. We have Hate. How about instead of hating me for thinking that being gay is a choice and not a very good one at that. You say, it's ok for him to think that and we can still get along just fine. How about instead of hating others for being gay. You say, it's ok for them to be different than me and we can still get along just fine. That doesn't mean, I have to accept being gay as a good thing. That doesn't mean that you have to accept my thoughts on gay lifestyle. What it should mean, is we can have constructive conversations, that are tolerant of both viewpoints, and move onto serious problems. Such as, Political Corruption, Corporate Greed as a Motto, and Intolerance of those that are different than us.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @06:38PM
You seem to have responded to the wrong comment.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @01:53PM
Many gay people don't actually say they chose the gay lifestyle after years of contemplation and study so that they can make an informed choice that suits their needs.
Instead they say they feel attracted to the same gender they are, and often don't know why. Sometimes heterosexuals don't know why they feel the way they do too!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @07:06PM
You sound weak, whingy, and butt-hurt about it. A real man wouldn't be crying about having to be nice to people. Ima guessing you're just upset because you weren't asked to suck cock.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @09:19PM
Wrong.
There are many men who have been abused as well, and wonder if they can have a public voice as well as survivors of abuse.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/some-male-sexual-assault-victims-feel-left-behind-metoo-n867386 [nbcnews.com]
https://www.yesmagazine.org/peace-justice/what-happens-when-men-say-metoo-too-20171031 [yesmagazine.org]
https://nypost.com/2018/04/19/male-victims-of-sex-abuse-feel-left-behind-by-metoo-parade/ [nypost.com]
https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/brendan-frasers-metoo-story-is-why-more-male-victims-dont-speak-out [melmagazine.com]
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @04:49PM (13 children)
It'd be nice to see Google inform the 200 people walking out that they should take their personal belongings with them, as they'll never be walking back in again.
It won't happen, but it would be nice.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @04:55PM (11 children)
It'd be nice for Google's competitors, but it would be a stupid move for any public-facing company.
Note: Never take PR advice from SoylentNews.
(Score: 5, Touché) by Snow on Wednesday October 31 2018, @05:03PM (2 children)
It would be a bad PR move, but what would be actual impact be?
Are people going to start using Bing? Boycott YouTube? lolno
(Score: 5, Interesting) by sjames on Wednesday October 31 2018, @08:37PM
There was probably a discussion similar at SGI's headquarters. Then disgruntled SGI engineers left and started Nvidia.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday November 01 2018, @03:16PM
If Google served fried infant body parts in the cafeteria at lunch time, I still wouldn't use Bing. The duck, on the other hand . . . you bet!
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @05:19PM (5 children)
I always kept mine away from Google because they catalogue you, file you, and advertise at you. I hate advertising -- I'm not a wallet.
I qualify fairly readily, but I am absolutely against going to work for Google. It has always been the thought, "Work for the largest advertising corporation in the United States?..... no, thanks."
With the recent news of all of this "Throw any man, _all_ men under the bus, because a woman was uncomfortable with normal human contact and a simple question off work premises who then saught to use that encounter to attack the company, so we the company will cowtow to their demands and more,"* just strikes another nail in the coffin. This shit is catastrophic. Google will not remain a large organization. They're killing themselves. It would be stupid to go to work there, as a male.
* DeVaul's story is that he met a woman at Burning Man and made a sexual advance, as is _normal_ of humans. Presumably this was accompanied by talk of who he was, where he worked, the fact that he held a director position at this company. Standard small-talk of successful humans in wooing another human. He _requested_ a sexual advance, and was turned down; he then took a lesser approach which still suggested interest, not simply walking away -> if at first you don't succeed, giving up is what the weak do.
The woman goes, 'oh, hey -- a director at Google was interested in me! We talked a lot, we do similar things, and he complemented my skills!' - likely this was part of the smalltalk/wooing above. The woman, having rejected the man, to apply for work at Google, using this sexually-charged event, for a similar role as they'd talked about - a role that it was stated is managed by said director. Other employees didn't feel great with the candidate, but you don't end the day early, you still have a candidate to interview. So the interview took place, the director walked in and goes, "Oh -- her." he can't leave the interview at that point, that would be most insulting. So the interview continues, having started after other interviewers were uncomfortable with the candidate's abilities anyway. It's a formality. Something that's on the agenda for the day.
When the candidate is formally rejected after the day is out and the discussions had taken place, the candidate cries foul over an event that happened off company time, off company property, at an event not sponsored by or in any way related to the company. The director, then, loses his job.
This seems like a clear case of an attack by a feminist. Based on the offense of being asked a question and away from anything related to the situation, the woman used a known conflict of interest to attempt to advance herself. The company responded to this inappropriate contuct of the candidate (black mail? bribery? Sexual harrassment? - using someone else's expression of interest to try and get them to hire you) by cowtowing to any mere accusation of offense, the creation of a conflict of interest by an external entity, because whocaresaboutmen.
This is sexual harrassment on the part of Google, ousting this director because of normal human interactions that he made in his own time. This is sexual harrassment. This will come to an end, and Google will find itself on the wrong side when law is applied equally across the board.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @05:42PM
Google will always have a steady supply of millennial soy boys willing to work for it. Some of them will even be competent programmers.
Google and other large companies will continue to get thousands of job applications for every position. And they can import H-1Bs to increase the desperation of the millennials.
Google can throw men under the #MeToo bus and it won't matter. That's what their employees say they want, even if some keep their real opinions to themselves.
(Score: 2, Flamebait) by crafoo on Wednesday October 31 2018, @11:24PM
Spoilers: the law will not be applied equally across the board.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Bobs on Thursday November 01 2018, @10:06AM (1 child)
No.
In any well-run, competently run organization, you prevent/manage fraternization between people with hiring/firing/promotion authority.
If he was a military general running a boot camp and asked one of the recruits under his command, while off base, if they would have sex with him, that would be a problem. If that person was in the process of requesting transfer into his unit, and he asked them to have sex, that would be a problem.
If you are a university professor don’t screw with ‘your’ students or with juniors in your field.
It would also be a problem if s/he asked one of these people to pay him money or give him a ‘loan’.
With power comes responsibility. If you can’t handle the responsibility of not asking every random person you encounter for sex, then you shouldn’t have the power in the organization to oversee a bunch of people. All you need to have is enough control of yourself to only proposition every person who doesn’t work in your field under you. There are plenty of fish in the sea. Don’t fuck with the crew.
The gender of the people doesn’t matter. If it is for sex or not doesn’t matter. It is an abuse of power to ask for externalities from people under you. It messes up organizational function, morale, and is ripe for abuse or the appearance thereof.
And if a person can’t handle that responsibility then they shouldn’t be a leader in the organization.
(Score: 3, Touché) by tangomargarine on Thursday November 01 2018, @06:43PM
Yeah okay, that would be relevant if it happened after the woman was hired at the company.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @04:16PM
how much of this is true?
its a great story though. it ties into what we want to read here. but it seems really biased and one sided with conclusions that have no supporting merits.
what part of no doesn't mean no? i mean even if you are high and trying to woo someone with your wallet size and ego. he doesnt get a pass beacuse even trump paid stormy. he didnt offer this chick anything except his dick. and he apparently persisted.
just because he has a dick and she has a hole doesnt mean the natural order of things is to get high and fuck because you said so.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday November 01 2018, @09:29AM (1 child)
Oh, come on! SoylentNews is better than Netcraft! Just look: Gab is dead, SoylentNews confirms it!
See? that works, no?
(Score: 2) by RandomFactor on Thursday November 01 2018, @10:15AM
Gab is 'no-platformed' according to the landing page
but, like the leper in that Monty Python skit ("I'm not dead yet!")
В «Правде» нет известий, в «Известиях» нет правды
(Score: 2) by legont on Thursday November 01 2018, @12:20AM
It is way more likely that Google will force all other employees to participate in the walk out.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @04:55PM (11 children)
That's what #MeToo makes very clear: Women need to have their hands held as they navigate life; they need the protection of a strong, fatherly patriarchy to guide them away from dangerous situations, and to fight for their honor should it be besmirched.
If Rubin got a male to suck his cock (ALLEGEDLY!), then nobody would give a fuck; if it were "Angelica" Rubin, then nobody would care.
Womyns are special.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @05:54PM (10 children)
Spammers are sensitive folk, they can't handle disagreement and must spam their message more and more. If people tell them they are wrong the spam more because might makes right! The more of one message that exists the more correct it is amirite?
While we're at it we should also remove the VIOLENTLY IMPOSED MONOPOLY that allows these super special ynz-peeps to oppress the minority (hey we all know women are born at a higher ratio than men) and implement 1488 globalism tyranny. They just want our precious bodily fluids so they can replace us with sterile machines that, and I quote, "can go all night!"
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @06:44PM (9 children)
If you forcibly replace someone's legitimate words with "Comment Below Threshold", then I repost that person's words.
That's the deal.
(Score: 3, Funny) by requerdanos on Wednesday October 31 2018, @07:11PM
I am sorry that your difficulties with the threshold/breakthrough settings are (further) impairing your ability to discuss Google and its employees. Did you try asking on IRC, or contacting a computer-literate person for help?
(Score: 5, Informative) by takyon on Wednesday October 31 2018, @07:11PM (6 children)
That's a creative interpretation of "replace". The comments below threshold can be expanded. The "Comment Below Threshold" text is not attributed to you.
Fuck your deal. We will downmod them forever.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @08:08PM (4 children)
Wouldn't it be better just to keep the 50-character subject intact?
(Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday October 31 2018, @08:38PM
Personally, I would not mind it. I browse at -1 in the first place. However, multiple comments can be hidden at the same time under each message. I'll link this comment and see if anyone has anything to add about the threading system.
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(Score: 4, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday October 31 2018, @09:36PM (2 children)
That was my original idea for it. The other coder types nixed it on the grounds of we'd have people title-spamming stupid bullshit that moderation then wouldn't be able to handle. I did not then nor do I now disagree with them on the issue.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @03:13AM (1 child)
Too bad.
(Score: 2, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday November 01 2018, @03:32AM
I suggest you find a good list of proxies then. You'll need them when we start banning your IP addresses for spamming.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday November 01 2018, @03:24PM
Huh? You're going to fuck his deal, then downmod him/her/it? I'll bet you don't even kiss him/her/it.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday October 31 2018, @09:33PM
Change your Threshold/Breakthrough settings if you dislike it. Reposting someone else's crap will get you a Spam mod because there is no reasonable way to tell the difference between you doing it and them doing it through a proxy/tor/whatever.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by bzipitidoo on Wednesday October 31 2018, @05:47PM (9 children)
Bad though the sexual misconduct is, I feel that pales in comparison to the practice of handing out the gold just for being a high muckety-muck, regardless of merit or lack thereof.
A $90 million exit package? $90 million??? The world is insane.
(Score: 4, Informative) by takyon on Wednesday October 31 2018, @06:00PM (1 child)
Andy Rubin joined Google after it acquired Android, Inc., which he was a co-founder of. It doesn't seem that unusual that they would throw money at him for one reason or another.
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by sjames on Wednesday October 31 2018, @09:17PM
That whole money throwing and that it isn't unusual is exactly the situation that causes people to start thinking nothing is off limits.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by takyon on Wednesday October 31 2018, @06:03PM
... a reason such as the non-compete clause they got him to sign.
https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/10/30/google-allegedly-paid-90-million-severance-andy-rubin-misconduct-allegation/ [androidpolice.com]
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(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @07:06PM (4 children)
That is the real injustice here actually. The monetary divide creates the culture of power imbalance because that is how our society measures worth. A few of us are not so crazy, but too many are. We've been sold the lie that rich people are better than everyone else, what a crock.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday October 31 2018, @09:54PM (3 children)
Not better. Better off. More powerful. Able to make people do their bidding with money.
And on the other end, poverty and debt can add unnecessary stress and hardship to one's life. It can make them go crazy. Not to say that rich people can't go crazy, but the circumstances are worse.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @10:12PM (2 children)
Being not insane you understand, now go out and meet the people who literally think rich people are better / more deserving.
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @02:40AM (1 child)
Are you talking about khallow?
(Score: 1, Troll) by aristarchus on Thursday November 01 2018, @09:33AM
Poor khallow! If he is so smart, why isn't he rich? And if they are so rich, why aren't they smart? (A certain Rapper comes to mind, a stable genius, who just unstablized.)
(Score: 3, Informative) by crafoo on Wednesday October 31 2018, @11:30PM
As described, and summarized above by an anon poster, the sexual misconduct doesn't seem to exist at all. In fact it appears to be harassment on the part of the not-hired woman using the current feminist cultural climate and laws to vicitimize an executive who made advances not on work time, property, or of an actual employee. He engaged in NORMAL HUMAN BEHAVIOUR. He was turned down. Later he was included in her interview process. She wasn't hired.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @06:05PM (1 child)
Hoist on their own "diversity". Couldn't have happened to a better bunch of hypocrites.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @07:09PM
Hey look, even a stopped clock is right sometimes! Glad the employees are pushing back on Google's blatant bullshit. #moardiversity #strengththroughdifferences #MADA
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @09:00PM
show me on this anatomically correct doll where bad orange man touched you. go slow. make it hot.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by RandomFactor on Wednesday October 31 2018, @10:34PM (1 child)
These folks are young, smart, and like to party. Halloween falls on Wednesday. There is a walkout Thursday.
В «Правде» нет известий, в «Известиях» нет правды
(Score: 2) by crafoo on Wednesday October 31 2018, @11:31PM
Most intelligent and plausible post in this thread.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Bot on Wednesday October 31 2018, @10:37PM
I see no problems with punishing sexual misconduct, but are we talking about proof or allegations? I guess google, a company which suggests you to buy a dishwashing machine because you said 'my dishwasher leaks' in the range of your smartphone, can get some proof?
Account abandoned.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @11:42PM (2 children)
If I were a boss at google I would just terminate them for disrupting the workplace and failing to do the job they are paid to do. Have a disagreement and want to protest the company? Fine use your personal time and do it off campus. But if I were a boss at google this would just add 200 people to my list of people to mass terminate. I would have security immediately revoke their badges and clean out their desks. Save politics and virtue signaling for home and private time, it doesn't belong at the office.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @03:08AM
If you were a google boss, your worries would be more "How can I interview / hire someone / get him up to speed by the time the NSA deliverables are due", not "My crew of enraged autists is taking the day off tomorrow to virtue signal, but they'll be back the next day".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @11:17AM
FTFY.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday November 01 2018, @12:18AM (11 children)
For everyone going "what about the male victims," I have this to say:
Organize. Speak up. Do what we're doing. Don't stay silent. Don't suffer all alone.
Do you know what keeps male victims silent? Other men. Fear of what other men will do to them if they speak up or report it. And this is WRONG. Maybe it's a weird thing to hear coming from a lesbian feminist, but my position on this is that sexual assault is an evil of itself. It does not matter who is doing it. It does not matter who it is done to. It is Wrong with a capital W.
But because men fear losing their masculinity and the attendant societal privileges, because men fear, let's face it, *being compared to women,* when it happens to you, *you don't speak out.* And this, too, is wrong. You suffer just like we do, and in some ways worse, because what other men are telling you constantly is "this doesn't happen to men." So you get the same life-destroying feeling of your own body not belonging to you, your skin being soiled in a way no shower however hot will ever, ever wash clean, and on top of that, *other asshat men* telling you "sit down and shut up, faggot."
It's. Not. Women. Doing. This. To. You. It's other men. Wake up, go get help, maybe even ask women. And the ones who don't believe you or who mock you? They're shit people too.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @01:01AM
Better idea:
Keep doing what men have successfully done for centuries. Leave the politics out of it, go elsewhere and built your own cool thing.
People are having palpitations about diversity in the movie industry, or lack thereof. Go indie.
People are angry (no, really) about how many songwriters and music producers are male (I guess this is kind of an industry insider perspective) but even if the big labels start identity-checking their studios, can't stop the little guys (who aren't getting any special breaks anyway, this is Big Music we're talking about) going indie. And they do.
You don't have to fight anything. Just keep doing your own thing. In the long run, it works.
Or go back in history and tell Agatha Christie how she's not allowed to be successful because in her era women are, like, totally oppressed, don't you know?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @02:38AM
Oh look, an extremely obvious SJW NPC parroting the same horseshit. How's that "pay no attention to the latinx womxn behind the curtain!" thing working out? Hmm? Idiot.
(Score: 2) by deimtee on Thursday November 01 2018, @02:58AM (1 child)
The difference is about 20 to 30 years. 30 years ago, women were afraid to come forward and complain because "no one will believe you", "you'll be called a troublemaker and no-one else will ever hire you", "you must have asked for it", "take it as a compliment, someone thinks you're attractive". Feminists and other decent people started to push back against that crap.
20 years ago things still weren't great, but it was no longer a career ender for a woman to lodge a complaint. They were taken seriously, and it could damage a man's career to be accused.
We are now somewhere between the two with regard to men being harassed.
If you cough while drinking cheap red wine it really cleans out your sinuses.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @06:30AM
The problem is these women all come out when the man is about to get or achieve something. If they did it randomly, instead of at a perfect time to hurt somebody, they'd be taken more seriously. Their timing makes it look like they're making false claims or are whining about other people being better off than them. They seem to care less that they get justice and more that he doesn't get ahead in life.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @03:20AM (1 child)
I think the rallies and marches you're looking for are called the alt-right, as thoroughly misguided as they are about a number of things. They even elected a fake president.
Your analysis here is a reaction to their identity politics that still exists within the very limited utility of identity politics. Their identity politics is a reaction to capitalist pseudo-feminist identity politics. Identity politics, of course, is rooted in the Kerner Commission Report and attempts by the bourgeoisie to distract the working and (shrinking) middle classes from the class issues that they face.
There are some things that have to do with gender. Notably, men are discouraged and face legal discrimination in child care professions and elementary school teaching positions. In child custody disputes, men also face discrimination.
Mostly, however, it's about their income. I believe this is a common factor that drives reactionary feminists such as TERFs. It's about access to healthcare with affordable health insurance. It's about the difficulties the working class faces building a secure retirement. Pensions are becoming a thing of the past. It's about workplace injuries and deaths (see WSWS' extensive coverage) along with woefully inadequate disability compensation. It's about increasingly precarious employment and the destruction of unemployment benefits. It's about austerity policies that reduce food stamp and welfare benefits to families in need.
Men in the working class are losing out. Women in the working class are losing out too. We see a wedge of distraction created by the mainstream media propagandists who turn all these things into issues of identity politics. This is particularly devastating to men, because when things such as the wage gap come up, their struggles have no voice.
So men march and rally. And they go, "Trump! Trump! Trump!"
We need to raise awareness of the class issues.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday November 01 2018, @03:58AM
Agreed entirely, 100%. The GOP somehow convinced the Democrats to stop appealing along class lines sometime in the 80s, which is the equivalent of ripping the engine out of their car. And for all the naysayers who say that platform won't fly outside the coasts...the union movement *began* in the Midwest. My adoptive home state of Wisconsin was one of the epicenters, and to see what it's become and is going to turn into at this rate is tragic.
Someone in the GOP, decades and decades ago, was a hell of a psyops artist...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @08:52AM (1 child)
I don't know where you pick up this crap.
I, myself, in person, first hand, have watched women complaining when men speak up.
Oh, those must have been unreconstructed anti-feminist women, right? Backlash bitches or something?
Wrong. They were hard-core 3rd-wave (or later, depending on who's counting) feminists.
Why on earth would they be angry?
Because it was obviously a cynical plot to withdraw resources from women who obviously desperately need them. And the men were probably making it all up anyway.
Wait-wait-wait, this must have been an aberration in a far-off isolated community, right?
Wrong. It was a nationally known, famous institute of higher learning. It wasn't ignorant benighted women getting all the wrong ideas. It was educated women, including some professors.
So. Yeah. Not so much with the it's-all-men's-fault narrative.
But thanks anyway.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday November 02 2018, @03:23AM
So fuck 'em. Education is no guarantee of being correct or even a decent human being. I have some serious, deadly gripes with the kind of feminism I see coming out of a lot of spoiled rich white daddy's girls like this. When someone comes to me with a story of sexual abuse, I am inclined to believe it, no matter the sex, gender, or what have you of the complainant.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @11:35AM
It's pointless arguing with Griefergrunt. There's no solution but to switch them off while remaining aware that they exist. (If they do actually say anything new, we'll definitely hear about it.)
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @03:36PM
Ahhhhhh - the dreaded capital W.
Hmmmm, I always wondered where Fruit of the Womb underwear got it's name.
Should I be more serious? Alright - I'll give it a try. Sexual assault is the reason God created Samuel Colt. As He died to make men Holy, let us die to make men equal!!
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 02 2018, @12:53AM
Poor, poor SJW NPC baby. No one likes you. No one that isn't batshit insane agrees with you. No society can exist with the retarded moral framework you espouse. Go cry somewhere that people give a fuck.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @08:15AM (1 child)
Lemme link it up for ya -- penectomy. [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @03:36PM
Now that's what I'd call a severance package!