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posted by chromas on Monday March 25 2019, @02:58PM   Printer-friendly
from the click-on-the-sun-for-more dept.

foxnews.com/science/nasa-wants-to-explore-neptunes-moon-triton-solar-systems-coldest-object-may-have-ocean-harboring-alien-life

The mission would involve developing a new kind of spacecraft known as Trident.

It would fly to Triton and take photographs of the icy object, while also studying its atmosphere and chemical makeup for signs of an underground ocean.

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Little is known about Triton, and the only images we have of the moon were captured by the Voyager 2 probe in 1989.

During that flyby, space boffins spotted geysers on Triton that spewed out nitrogen gas. Nasa earmarked it for further research.


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  • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday March 25 2019, @03:23PM (4 children)

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 25 2019, @03:23PM (#819559) Journal

    Maybe it would be easier to exploit explore Europa before exploding exploring Triton?

    Or is Europa made more difficult a target due to Jupiter? Radiation? Navigation difficulty? Other?

    Is the greater distance to Triton irrelevant?

    Do we know more about Europa already? If so, doesn't that make mission planning (somewhat) easier?

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    • (Score: 1) by kanisae on Monday March 25 2019, @03:26PM (3 children)

      by kanisae (1908) on Monday March 25 2019, @03:26PM (#819564)

      The radiation environment at Europa is intense due to the proximity of Jupiter and the ice is thought to be quite thick. Callisto is in some ways a far better choice for life due to its low radiation environment.

      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday March 25 2019, @03:51PM

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 25 2019, @03:51PM (#819586) Journal

        If a mission is going to travel out further than Jupiter, what about Enceladus which is a moon of Saturn. It seems to be thermally active beneath the ice.

        If a mission can go further out than Neptune, what about Miranda which is a moon of Uranus. (forget the adolescent joke about Uranus, it is properly pronounced more like urine-us)

        I am probably most intrigued by Enceladus.

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      • (Score: 2) by takyon on Monday March 25 2019, @05:56PM (1 child)

        by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Monday March 25 2019, @05:56PM (#819646) Journal

        The miles-thick icy shell(s) should protect life close to Jupiter. But it still makes it a pain to send spacecraft there.

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        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday March 25 2019, @06:15PM

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 25 2019, @06:15PM (#819661) Journal

          Miles thick makes it difficult to penetrate too.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 25 2019, @03:40PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 25 2019, @03:40PM (#819578)

    i guess it's going to need the dumping of a small pile of pooh-tonium on otherworldly pristine ground to make it work :(
    well i hope they can install a small spy-cam on the bot too so we can spy on the neptunias ...

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by ikanreed on Monday March 25 2019, @05:01PM (6 children)

    by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 25 2019, @05:01PM (#819621) Journal

    With all these ice-ball-but-maybe-with-life planets, I mean.

    When the amount of energy introduced into the ecosystem via sunlight/thermal vents/whatever per day is so slow, does that slow down metabolic processes? Evolution? Are the functional populations all tiny because of limited food, and would they get side effects similar to island gigantism?

    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Monday March 25 2019, @05:54PM (4 children)

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Monday March 25 2019, @05:54PM (#819644) Journal

      It is possible in some of these cases for the internal heat to decrease. But sometimes conditions are good:

      Porous Core Could be Keeping Enceladus Warm [soylentnews.org]

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      • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Monday March 25 2019, @06:46PM (3 children)

        by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 25 2019, @06:46PM (#819679) Journal

        Sure, I agree it can be more than warm enough for liquid water, but in terms of coherent energy that can be used for the processes life needs, the total amount being brought in each day is way way way way lower than earth's insolation that our plants and phytoplankton eat. Orders of magnitude less.

        • (Score: 2) by takyon on Monday March 25 2019, @07:05PM (2 children)

          by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Monday March 25 2019, @07:05PM (#819682) Journal

          The hope is that life is clustered around hydrothermal vents.

          Minerals In Plumes of Enceladus Indicate Hydrothermal Activity [soylentnews.org]
          Hydrogen Emitted by Enceladus, More Evidence of Plumes at Europa [soylentnews.org]
          Complex Organic Molecules Found on Enceladus [soylentnews.org]

          Did life on Earth start at a place like this, or did it start elsewhere and evolve to exploit these vents?

          The evidence seems to support a very fast presence of unicellular life on Earth, which could mean that interstellar panspermia is a thing, or that life just arises quickly in places where the conditions are ideal. That could bode well for these underground oceans, but as you said there is a lot less energy available. Billions of years have passed since life arose on Earth though. We may also have numerous different oceans [wikipedia.org] to study, each providing another shot for life.

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          • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Tuesday March 26 2019, @01:24AM (1 child)

            by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday March 26 2019, @01:24AM (#819836) Journal

            I don't know how to respond to things sometimes.

            You've very thoroughly answered a slightly different question than the one that interests me, with good quality information that I already know pretty well. It's not like I want to be angry about that, you're doing a kind an informative thing, but not about the actual questions I asked.

            • (Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday March 26 2019, @02:39AM

              by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Tuesday March 26 2019, @02:39AM (#819869) Journal

              Hint: A hydrothermal vent inside an icy world isn't going to have orders of magnitude less energy than one on Earth. Maybe less, and less of them, but if life is super easy to get started, it might not matter.

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    • (Score: 2) by Alfred on Monday March 25 2019, @06:21PM

      by Alfred (4006) on Monday March 25 2019, @06:21PM (#819667) Journal
      I think that all chemical processes would slow because of the lack of energy in the system.
  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by takyon on Monday March 25 2019, @06:20PM (1 child)

    by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Monday March 25 2019, @06:20PM (#819665) Journal

    From what I'm reading, this would be a ~$500 million class flyby mission. Just send orbiters to Uranus and Neptune already.

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    • (Score: 2) by arslan on Tuesday March 26 2019, @12:51AM

      by arslan (3462) on Tuesday March 26 2019, @12:51AM (#819822)

      Indeed, lets probe Uranus...

  • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday March 25 2019, @10:03PM (4 children)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 25 2019, @10:03PM (#819762) Journal

    Just wanted ignore how the speed of chemical reactions decay exponentially with the drop in temperature; if it has oceans and geysers, it has life.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 25 2019, @11:09PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 25 2019, @11:09PM (#819790)

      If it has an internal ocean, it has a substantial heating mechanism.

      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday March 25 2019, @11:38PM (2 children)

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 25 2019, @11:38PM (#819806) Journal

        If it has an internal ocean, it has a substantial heating mechanism.

        Internal ocean of liquid nitrogen... hmmm... how "substantial" that heating mechanism can be? (if it can't evaporate nitrogen)

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        • (Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday March 26 2019, @12:54AM (1 child)

          by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Tuesday March 26 2019, @12:54AM (#819825) Journal

          Objects at or beyond the frost line tend to have a lot of water. The objects in question [wikipedia.org] have a much higher proportion of water ice than Earth, possibly over 50%. Given enough internal or tidal heating, they can have liquid water oceans.

          Mass of Ceres [wikipedia.org] = 0.00015 Earths = 0.0128 Moons

          Ceres' oblateness is consistent with a differentiated body, a rocky core overlain with an icy mantle. This 100-kilometer-thick mantle (23%–28% of Ceres by mass; 50% by volume) contains up to 200 million cubic kilometers of water, which would be more than the amount of fresh water on Earth. This result is supported by the observations made by the Keck telescope in 2002 and by evolutionary modeling. Also, some characteristics of its surface and history (such as its distance from the Sun, which weakened solar radiation enough to allow some fairly low-freezing-point components to be incorporated during its formation), point to the presence of volatile materials in the interior of Ceres. It has been suggested that a remnant layer of liquid water may have survived to the present under a layer of ice.

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          • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday March 26 2019, @01:02AM

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday March 26 2019, @01:02AM (#819829) Journal

            Something in the 'liquid nitrogen' and 'liquid water' in close association is wrong. Just sayin.

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  • (Score: 1) by RandomFactor on Monday March 25 2019, @10:13PM (1 child)

    by RandomFactor (3682) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 25 2019, @10:13PM (#819767) Journal

    According to Louise Prockter, chief investigator for Trident, now is the time to launch a Triton mission as it's vital to find out if the moon hosts alien life.

    Now I'm a big fan of exploring every nook and cranny of the solar system, but .. he seems a bit over enthusiastic.

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    • (Score: 2) by urza9814 on Tuesday March 26 2019, @05:57PM

      by urza9814 (3954) on Tuesday March 26 2019, @05:57PM (#820194) Journal

      Hmm...urgent calls to send craft...Trident [wikipedia.org] program...alien life...this is some quality conspiracy stuff, man!

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