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posted by Fnord666 on Tuesday June 25 2019, @12:19PM   Printer-friendly
from the quis-custodiet-ipsos-custodes? dept.

The ACLU has published a report "on a $3.2 billion industry building a technology known as 'video analytics', which is starting to augment surveillance cameras around the world and has the potential to turn them into just that kind of nightmarish army of unblinking watchers."

Using cutting-edge, deep learning-based AI, the science is moving so fast that early versions of this technology are already starting to enter our lives. Some of our cars now come equipped with dashboard cameras that can sound alarms when a driver starts to look drowsy. Doorbell cameras today can alert us when a person appears on our doorstep. Cashier-less stores use AI-enabled cameras that monitor customers and automatically charge them when they pick items off the shelf.

In the report, we looked at where this technology has been deployed, and what capabilities companies are claiming they can offer. We also reviewed scores of papers by computer vision scientists and other researchers to see what kinds of capabilities are being envisioned and developed. What we found is that the capabilities that computer scientists are pursuing, if applied to surveillance and marketing, would create a world of frighteningly perceptive and insightful computer watchers monitoring our lives.

Source: https://www.aclu.org/blog/privacy-technology/surveillance-technologies/army-robot-surveillance-guards-coming


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  • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Tuesday June 25 2019, @12:25PM (4 children)

    by MostCynical (2589) on Tuesday June 25 2019, @12:25PM (#859680) Journal

    https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DMme2Aya_6Bc [youtube.com]

    will your house refuse to let you in when you're drunk?
    Or..refuse to let you out?

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 25 2019, @12:47PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 25 2019, @12:47PM (#859687)

      Why would you need to be drunk for it to refuse to let you into your house? Didn't somebody's cloud go down recently and lock people out of their houses?

      • (Score: 2) by opinionated_science on Tuesday June 25 2019, @04:00PM

        by opinionated_science (4031) on Tuesday June 25 2019, @04:00PM (#859755)

        I *specifically* got at least *one* digital lock with physical key to avoid that.

        It does seem *really* stupid to have access to one's house be remotely disabled...

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 25 2019, @02:00PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 25 2019, @02:00PM (#859708)

      "Or..refuse to let you out?"
      That's a good excuse for kalsarikännit.

    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday June 25 2019, @04:02PM

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 25 2019, @04:02PM (#859758) Journal

      > Or..refuse to let you out?

      You say that like its a bad thing.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Gaaark on Tuesday June 25 2019, @01:37PM

    by Gaaark (41) on Tuesday June 25 2019, @01:37PM (#859701) Journal

    As long as I get access to that data and cameras and can watch these CEO's and the executives and can opt-out and the opt-out is court enforced and the CEO's and executives will go to jail and give me tons of money for violating my right to privacy.

    Np problem.

    Otherwise.... problem.

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  • (Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday June 25 2019, @02:01PM (5 children)

    by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Tuesday June 25 2019, @02:01PM (#859709) Journal
    7. AI cameras will potentially violate the Constitution

    In the United States, some uses of AI analytics are likely to violate the Constitution. Certainly abusive or discriminatory uses are likely to do so. The collection of physiological measurements such as heart rate, if carried out by a government entity as part of a suspicionless surveillance program, would, we believe, violate the Fourth Amendment’s prohibition on unreasonable search. The same would apply for wide-area movements and patterns-of-life. But other data collection efforts may also implicate the Fourth Amendment, especially as they become increasingly detailed, comprehensive, and intrusive.

    Government will just outsource the camera operation to the many businesses who will have them, and use warrants to get the data when needed.

    Or if they want to do the cool warrantless program, hack the businesses?

    Private-sector actors

    The use of video analytics by private companies can also raise serious privacy and ethical issues. Companies should not use the technology in contexts where it has the potential to affect the public except in accordance with the same strictures that should apply to government. Video analytics should not be used for the collection of customer data for marketing purposes, for example. And any companies that decide to use this technology need to be transparent about it —after all, if companies are confident that their use of video analytics is reasonable and justified and that the public won’t mind, then there is no reason for them not to be open about it. Customers have an ethical right to know on what terms they are interacting with a company, including what information is being collected and used to evaluate them, and how.

    When it comes to regulations that actually mandate compliance with the above strictures, policymakers in the United States will need to respect the constitutional balance between free expression and privacy rights. The First Amendment generally protects the right to record sound and images of things that are in plain view in public places. At the same time, the government has an interest in protecting individuals’ privacy rights, especially where they have a “reasonable expectation of privacy.” That is why, for example, the right to record can be limited by our wiretapping laws, which prevent not only the government but also private parties from making secret audio recordings.

    The definition and boundaries of a reasonable expectation of privacy are not sharply defined, especially in our era where new technologies often shatter pre-existing legal categories. We don’t know exactly how the technologies examined in this report will evolve, what abuses they will enable, or what other problems they may create. As a result, we don’t know how the courts will apply the “reasonable expectation of privacy” and other constitutional tests to the new socio-technological realities they will be confronting.

    The cameras are already everywhere. The AI sauce just drops in to systems controlling the cameras and storing footage. The ACLU can't stop this.

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    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by inertnet on Tuesday June 25 2019, @02:08PM (4 children)

      by inertnet (4071) on Tuesday June 25 2019, @02:08PM (#859712) Journal

      In my opinion augmented video is probably even easier to tamper with. It won't be long until deepfake surveillance video's are going to appear as 'proof' of whatever needs to be proven.

      How do you fight those?

      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by nitehawk214 on Tuesday June 25 2019, @02:25PM (3 children)

        by nitehawk214 (1304) on Tuesday June 25 2019, @02:25PM (#859721)

        The only way to fight it is for people stop believing video "evidence" on its own.

        But considering how many people believe aliens have visited earth based on a grainy photo of a dinner plate with a flashlight on it... we are fucked.

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        • (Score: 3, Informative) by Thexalon on Tuesday June 25 2019, @03:03PM (2 children)

          by Thexalon (636) on Tuesday June 25 2019, @03:03PM (#859732)

          The only way to fight it is for people stop believing video "evidence" on its own.

          Well that's no problem: Now we have "surveillance footage", a testilying cop, and a couple of homeless people we gave some subs to say what we wanted them to say in court. And if for some reason that's insufficient, we'll get a crooked examiner to announce some sort of "partial" fingerprint match on something.

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          • (Score: 2, Insightful) by nitehawk214 on Tuesday June 25 2019, @03:12PM (1 child)

            by nitehawk214 (1304) on Tuesday June 25 2019, @03:12PM (#859735)

            If the state is determined to lock you up, they are not going to bother faking video evidence.

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            • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Thexalon on Tuesday June 25 2019, @03:25PM

              by Thexalon (636) on Tuesday June 25 2019, @03:25PM (#859742)

              The fake video evidence is to not only lock you up, but to assassinate your character so they can also discredit any ideas or causes you happened to support, and also prevent pesky Amnesty International campaigns for your release and such.

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  • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Tuesday June 25 2019, @02:13PM (8 children)

    by acid andy (1683) on Tuesday June 25 2019, @02:13PM (#859715) Homepage Journal

    Start worrying when these robot guards reach insect size and smaller. Actually, stop worrying at that point and start drinking because it'll be far too late to care.

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    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Freeman on Tuesday June 25 2019, @03:23PM (1 child)

      by Freeman (732) on Tuesday June 25 2019, @03:23PM (#859740) Journal

      As the drones lost mass, they added capability. The 2013 DelFly Explorer gained autonomous navigation, thanks to a stereovision camera and hardware for processing obstacle detection—no mean feat for a system that could only weigh a few grams. Self-driving cars make complete 3D maps of their environment to feed into their obstacle detection algorithms, but that requires sensors, processors, and memory, even the lightest of which would be too heavy for a gossamer robot to lift.

      So the team built different vision algorithms, inspired by hunting dragonflies.

      https://www.asme.org/engineering-topics/articles/robotics/insect-drone-camera-flies-like-bee [asme.org]

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    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday June 25 2019, @04:09PM (2 children)

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 25 2019, @04:09PM (#859762) Journal

      > Start worrying when these robot guards reach insect size and smaller.

      At insect size, assuming they cannot overwhelm you with quantity, you can at least impose costs by squishing those tiny pests. Or spray Krylon on them or something. Super glue traps.

      > or smaller

      That might be worrying. But then you start thinking of other ways to fight. Sprays, glues, other chemical or electrical / magnetic traps.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 25 2019, @06:42PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 25 2019, @06:42PM (#859802)

        Hair spray works very well on tiny robots.

      • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Tuesday June 25 2019, @11:45PM

        by acid andy (1683) on Tuesday June 25 2019, @11:45PM (#859919) Homepage Journal

        I'm thinking they'll start arriving on every doorstep. If one should fail to phone home, the occupier would be automatically held responsible, charged many thousands of dollars, and / or be sent for "re-education".

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    • (Score: 1) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Tuesday June 25 2019, @06:30PM (1 child)

      by jmichaelhudsondotnet (8122) on Tuesday June 25 2019, @06:30PM (#859799) Journal

      'and smaller.'

      Nanobot tracking. Lookup the countries and companies into nanotech, some of them have a history of very dirty tricks.

      What if they put them in food or water? What if they could track you down like a tick from a mile away?

      A permanent bug in your body at all times. There will not be a news story to warn you. (at this rate...you are lucky i have the guts to even write this)

      Who would argue that isn't being threatened?

      What would it take to prevent this future?

      (besides me writing this and risking being first on the list of intended recipients)

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 25 2019, @09:48PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 25 2019, @09:48PM (#859873)

        Nobody is coming to kill the brave J. Michael Hudson because he had a brainfart about nanobots.

        I welcome the introduction of these nanobots. They hold great medical potential.

    • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday June 25 2019, @11:39PM

      by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Tuesday June 25 2019, @11:39PM (#859917)

      ...start drinking...

      OK then. I will.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 25 2019, @02:51PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 25 2019, @02:51PM (#859729)

    Can't wait for ED-209 coming to the streets.

    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday June 25 2019, @04:06PM (2 children)

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 25 2019, @04:06PM (#859760) Journal

      At least nobody thought of assigning ED-209 as a TSA groper.

      Oh wait. Drat! Now they know of that application and will use ED-209 in that role.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 25 2019, @09:14PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 25 2019, @09:14PM (#859855)

        You have 40seconds to remove your panties...

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 25 2019, @09:18PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 25 2019, @09:18PM (#859856)

          Upon compliance, it doesn't recognize it and just firehoses synthetic semen at the target.

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