Ex-porn star's fans help remove X-rated videos:
She is one of the most searched for star's on Pornhub, but Mia Khalifa's 11 X-rated films could soon disappear for good.
The former porn star has tried and failed to have her videos removed from Pornhub and BangBros, describing her three-month stint in 2014 as a decision that will "haunt her for the rest of her life".
But now her fans have stepped in, creating a Change.org petition that has already seen nearly 2 million signatures demanding the adult sites remove the content.
"Mia and her team have provided countless financial offers to the current owners of her domain name and pornographic videos to no avail," the Justice for Mia petition read.
"Big corporations are not giving Mia Khalifa a fair chance to demand her content in court due to financial advantage.
"We are demanding her domain names be returned, her videos be removed and fairly discussed in court without putting Mia Khalifa into deep financial ruin. Mia has stated her regret for her decisions in the porn industry multiple times."
It comes after the 27-year-old begged girls to not go into the industry, slamming it as "toxic".
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 04 2020, @08:17AM (13 children)
On the one hand, I wouldn't want what I consider a mistake I made at 21 to follow me around for the rest of my life. And I would like to think that I would have some sort of control over videos of me performing sexual acts.
But she signed a contract in 2014 allowing them to distribute her professionally made films when online porn was already ubiquitous, she made multiple films and shot up to #1 on Pornhub for months soon after, and she took advantage of the press coverage and Streisand Effect of her videos to leverage for fame. The vast majority of people only give a shit about her now because her 15 minutes haven't run out yet and she would most likely be wallowing in obscurity without said 11 porn videos.
(Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 04 2020, @08:37AM (7 children)
She will never get full control of those videos. We know you can't take that stuff down permanently. Even if all the major sites agree to not host or sell them, it'll always be traded on the side.
That said, her situation is WAY out of line from "normal" because her situation is rather unique.
So she knew it was a terrible idea then did it anyway, so this one is solidly in "self-inflicted" territory. Of course, none of it excuses the behavior of the sites or the people sending death threats. She's in a real mess. I wish her luck because she's going to need it.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 04 2020, @09:18AM
They could literally and magically erase those videos and all related photos from existence and the death threats would still pour in. She has the stigma of being the girl who did that. That will not go away because the moral crusaders and trolls won't let it go away. Somebody somewhere will give her crap for that for the rest of her life. To be frank, if she really wanted the threats to disappear, she'd have to give up on the fame and notoriety too. But that's life, trying to make the best out of a bad situation.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Common Joe on Saturday July 04 2020, @10:18AM (4 children)
Probably not. The only successful person I know to do it was Sylvester Stallone and that was a very different time period long before the internet.
Unique? Depending on how you look at it... hardly. What about teenagers who do a video for a boyfriend and then have an entire class come down on them? There's a ton of stories like that and some of it is really brutal -- including death and rape threats. Teachers are fired because it's discovered they once did a porn movie. So much for having a normal life.
The saddest thing is our culture. Somehow, we collectively think that girls who star in porn are not worthy to be equal to everyone else. It should be just a job -- a job that some people like and some people don't. Hell, we worship celebrities and treat them as non-humans too. Mia should be able to walk away from it and not give it a second thought. I feel sorry for her.
(Score: 2) by aiwarrior on Saturday July 04 2020, @12:11PM (3 children)
This! A porn start is not a human thrash can, just because she was a pervert once, or even when she is horny. We all are, and only weird people are not horny.
I see it actually that maybe we as a culture need to grow to accept that these people gave a bit of themselves for us. I do not think she will be successful in removing the videos and i think she also got out what she bargained for: She is famous. It is very sad she cannot take it back, but somehow i see this as any accident: She needs to learn to live and accept it, if she regrets it. We all do something we regret. It is a pity there is not escape from our past lives and mistakes in our current day and age, but alas this is the current world.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Thexalon on Saturday July 04 2020, @01:50PM
She was somebody who decided to do a job to try to make some money, and that job may have involved acting like a pervert but that doesn't mean she herself would choose to do what she did on camera without monetary gain at stake. It's just like how most people who work at the Dairy Queen do it for the paycheck, not because of a psychological compulsion to serve ice cream.
She's right to caution people against trying to get into porn, though: The market is thoroughly saturated at this point so there isn't much money in it anymore. Thanks to Rule 34, there's pretty much no angle of human sexuality that hasn't been explored and filmed by somebody, including every weird fetish you can think of and a few you hadn't thought of, and that means that it's nigh-impossible for anyone to differentiate themselves in the marketplace. And not only are you competing with everybody else trying to do porn for money now, but you're also competing with everybody who has done porn since films were preserved, which means the porn stars of today are competing with 50 years worth of performers. That's a tough market to really succeed in. And then add to that having to deal with really skeezy people all the time, from fans to co-stars to producers and directors, and it's really really not worth it.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 04 2020, @10:51PM
I hear you but "and only weird people are not horny" - this is rather bigoted against asexual people. Some folks just have low sexual drive. That's cool; some people hate or love pickles, dislike candy, etc. Who hates candy? Turns out, some folks. But asexual people face a surprisingly large amount of bigotry, unlike candy haters, FYI.
(Score: 2) by The Vocal Minority on Sunday July 05 2020, @04:38AM
You say that like being a pervert is a BAD thing..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 04 2020, @09:17PM
I figured her exit was all because the Musrats were trying to kill her.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 04 2020, @10:14AM (2 children)
Yeah, some mixed feelings but not much.
I'd say before age 18 some things should be wiped off your record, but at 21 she has been an adult for three years. Puberty is long over, you should have some life experiences separate from your parents by now, and maybe even begin rationally realize that you will die some day.
Everyone does stupid or embarrassing things on a whim when they are teenagers, but she deliberately and willingly and intentionally decided to make a series of sexvids and used the porn-fame she acquired from them to amass a net worth of $3M over the past six years. Plus she is now married to a famous chef from Europe. She is rich and wont have to work 9-5 for the rest of her life.
Also, it's also not like she made only one video of generic suck-lick-screw sex for food money. Her videos are interracial, group, gang-bang, and multi-penetration, IIRC.
Plus she and her ex-husband posted pornographic pics on the internet a year even before she did the vids.
Plus she had breast implants done to make her boobs larger.
Plus she still is using her stage name.
And it's not like she did these movies because she was starving. Wont name names, but a before-he-was-famous actor did porn in the 1970s for food money. After he became famous he was asked about that film and his response was "When you haven't eaten for a few days and don't know when you will eat next, you will do anything for food."
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Beryllium Sphere (r) on Saturday July 04 2020, @07:33PM (1 child)
All sound points, and 21 is the legal age of responsibility, but we are free to take into account the recent research that brain maturation continues through age 25 or so.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @03:22AM
Maturation continues for your whole life.
Would I have made the same decisions as a 25 year old if I had the maturity of a 45 year old? No. Does this mean we treat people as children not responsible for their actions until they turn 45?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 04 2020, @01:39PM
I think the issue is that those sites weren't ones that were licensed to distribute the films. Whatever studio she signed a contract with would still be allowed to distribute the films unless she could by out the contract or there were some sort of a time limit to it.
The other bit though is that those sites are a lot more public than a pay video is. And if the original studio is not able or willing to demand that the videos be taken down, then there's a of harm to her beyond the videos she agreed to.
(Score: 2) by wisnoskij on Sunday July 05 2020, @10:18PM
This seems guaranteed to fail. Unless she was already independently wealthy, or has done a shit ton of prostitution, she is very unlikely to even be able pay back her salary for her entire career let alone all the other actresses and crew.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 04 2020, @08:37AM (1 child)
whomever is gaslighting these lame nerds since a month or so is doing a good job
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 04 2020, @11:02AM
https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph59a9a245ec195 [pornhub.com]
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 04 2020, @09:13AM (11 children)
Have dummy petition creators never heard of the Streisand effect? This petition is having the opposite effect of it's intention.
I haven't seen any of her videos pop up in general searches on porn sites for years. There so much new stuff all the time that her videos were hidden among the tens of thousands of others.
She wants everyone to forget she did porn. No one forgets that. She wasn't a household name before, but with the increasing media coverage of this petition she will soon be a household name worldwide.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by bradley13 on Saturday July 04 2020, @09:15AM (9 children)
You're right about the Streisand effect. But...what if they are being really clever? What better way to make her videos worth a lot more money, get a lot more views? If that was the goal, they have succeeded magnificently.
Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 04 2020, @10:19AM
I was thinking this whole thing could be something like that.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 04 2020, @04:37PM (7 children)
Who *pays* for porn these days?
Why would *anyone* do so when there's places like these (all NSFW, you have been warned):
https://pornhub.com [pornhub.com]
https://xvideos.com [xvideos.com]
https://motherless.com [motherless.com]
and dozens of others.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 04 2020, @10:34PM (5 children)
A lot of the bigger porn websites do revenue shares with the distributors and actresses. The alternative is major porn companies doing take downs of their videos and driving your customers to the major sites that still have them.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 04 2020, @11:08PM (4 children)
So...Does that mean *you* pay for porn?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @04:06AM (3 children)
Yes, you buy it in exchange for your browser data and eyeballs. The websites then exchange those to advertisers, tracking companies, and anyone else with a big enough wallet.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @12:46AM (2 children)
Ublock Origin, Noscript, Ghostery and others handle that pretty well AFAICT.
So no. I *don't* pay for porn.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @05:46AM (1 child)
If you think those somehow make you untrackable or somehow immune, you've got another thing coming. Pornhub and anyone else under a first-party name can see what you are doing just fine and your browser gives them plenty of information for them to track and sell.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @04:27PM
Immune from what?
If I never see an ad, what difference does it make if my browser can be fingerprinted?
As an aside, the browser I use for viewing porn (and never on Pornhub, BTW), has a uniqueness of 1 in 278,527. Given that ~40,000,000 people regularly visit porn sites, my browser fingerprint doesn't uniquely identify *me*.
So no. I don't pay for porn. Also, you're talking out of your ass and it smells that way too. As such, perhaps you'd like to see some of this [motherless.com] [very NSFW]
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @01:38AM
> Who *pays* for porn these days?
Advertisers.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 04 2020, @01:41PM
Honestly, how many people really care about that versus the number of people that would come across that video on those websites? The Streisand effect fails to consider the fact that in many cases people hear about these things and then immediately forget about it. I doubt that I'll remember this tomorrow and I'm unlikely to actually go and try to find the videos.
Sure, if it's a famous celebrity or something particularly notable that may be the case, but in the bulk of cases, it's just not enough to really bother remembering. Especially if the suit or strategy is merited rather than an abuse of power or process.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 04 2020, @10:16AM (1 child)
I just downloaded as many of her videos as I could find to my computer, and I'm not going to upload them again once I've watched them. So that's that, at least using the logic on which MPAA's calculations are based.
(Score: 1) by Frosty Piss on Saturday July 04 2020, @09:14PM
I hope you’re going to masterbate furiously as you do all this.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by loonycyborg on Saturday July 04 2020, @10:25AM (1 child)
I can understand if she wants to change job due to relationships with co-workers/employers going sour but it doesn't entitle her to removal of past works. It's like if construction worker who decides to quit his job also would insist on all buildings he contributed to construction of to be demolished.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 04 2020, @01:46PM
No, it's really not. Any copies that are produced by the rightsholder are still legal, it's just these ones being distributed online via websites that she didn't sign up for that are being removed.
Anybody that really wants a copy can still get one as long as the videos remain in print, it's just these websites where you can no longer get them. One of the realities of porn is that over time videos and photos sets tend to be forgotten. There is so much porn now that just requiring that fans pay for the videos might be enough to allow her to move on with her life with limited risk of anybody she knows finding them. Unless it was a particularly notable video or she has a particularly passionate fanbase, it's probably not selling very much these days, especially if it's 6 years old. Porn moves on and likely anybody that was interested is probably just going to move on to the next video in the list.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 04 2020, @10:43AM (1 child)
...and it's playing just for you.
You've made your bed, now lie in it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 04 2020, @06:38PM
... with your legs apart.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by stretch611 on Saturday July 04 2020, @12:16PM (7 children)
For some reference here is her profile on the Internet Adult Film Database (IAFD) [iafd.com].
While I do agree that money encourages young women to do porn, they have to really be somewhat out of it to think that it will not affect them later in life.
There is another story [news.com.au] about on the news.au site about the scene she got death threats.
So, she had breast surgery due to health reasons. I can deal with that. It is uncommon at best, but it does happen, even on the occasional young woman (21 and under). However, you get 34DD breasts? BullSH!t. If you are getting monster sized breasts, it is not due to health reasons. When you have health reasons, they will reconstruct to restore your original size/shape... 34DD on a 5'2" woman? those are some humongous cups on a very tiny frame of a woman. (measurements from the IAFD profile above.) DDG image search here [duckduckgo.com] showing just how large they are.
As for being approaching her after breast surgery... Doubtful. Yes, it is possible, but many adult film stars originally start with modeling or stripping first. Even the occasional "I'm the high school slut and loves sex that turns 18 and goes straight to a porn set" is more common then being "found" by a random man on the street. I am sure few people want to be that random man when any woman that is not in to porn calls for some help to get that creep away from them.
Umm, not really. She may be trying to take down the vids... But probably so that she can sell other things after removing the competition. One of the things I found was a calendar of her in lingerie for 2019. People trying to leave porn try to get rid of everything erotic... not create lingerie calendars.
Her 11 video's??? IAFD reports 29 and only 4 of those are compilations of older material.
3 months? Well IAFD says 2014 with a date of 2018 on the last video they list as new material. That sounds like 4 years... which ofc, is only a little more than 3 months.
I know that the porn industry rehashes old content and re-releases it... but, in general I have notice that IAFD misses more movies for pornstars than overstates them.
In addition, a quick search and I found 2 titles not listed on IAFD, one of which was a scene dated in July of 2018.
As for getting death threats... Who tries to become more famous after getting those threats?
Also, the story about the death threats was dated April 24, 2018. If you were not lying about 3 months in porn, that seems like 3 or 4 years after your porn career is over before you got the threat. I would expect any terrorist organization to react far sooner than that. In addition, the movie I found was actually dated 7/2018... Admittedly, there is a lag from production date to release date, but it is weeks or maybe a few months... not years. Porn producers want their money and they do not get paid until the content is released... they do not wait years. And if you got a credible death threat because of being in a porn video, how likely are you to do more porn videos later?
Personally, I never heard of her before... and honestly, I will be deleting her videos that I downloaded due to her not being appealing to me (I prefer a pretty face to big tits and she is opposite to my preferences.)
I make a bunch of assumptions here... But I do think they are sound. I could be wrong about them, but it sure as hell seems to me like she lying about more than a few things.
She should learn from HER MISTAKES, not just blame everyone around her for exploiting her.
Now with 5 covid vaccine shots/boosters altering my DNA :P
(Score: 3, Interesting) by looorg on Saturday July 04 2020, @12:43PM (2 children)
I guess people should just learn to read and interpret text. From the article at news.com.au
It doesn't say her career was only 3 months. It says she made 11 movies in a 3 month period in 2014. That was a haunting experience. So about a movie per week. Which may or may not be a lot, I can't really tell. I guess it depends on what type of movies we are talking about here, if it's just the normal in-out-stuff then I don't really see how that would be to many but if she was banged in every orifice by a legion of dudes then that might be a lot and haunting. As I said I can't really tell.
But it doesn't say her career was only 3 months long or that she only ever did 11 movies in total.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 04 2020, @06:42PM (1 child)
I think those 11 may be the ones where she is wearing the muslim garb. That's what she's getting the the death threats for. Muslims don't like sex.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 04 2020, @10:38PM
Interesting statement considering there are almost 2 billion of them.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 04 2020, @05:21PM
Maybe she regrets it, maybe she doesn't, but she's certainly taking the Kim Kardashian approach where her film "accidentally" was leaked and turned it into hundreds of millions of dollars for herself and family, all knowingly leveraging the Streisand effect.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Sunday July 05 2020, @01:33AM (1 child)
Wow! Nice write up; good researching, lol!
I'm like you: had never heard of her before and didn't find anything that exciting about her. Never even got past the 'auto play on mouse over' on pornhub. Seems like big tits and not much else.
My wife is hotter, but then i'm probably biased ;)
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @01:40AM
Fake tits.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @08:35PM
False equivalency. "Health reasons" can be several things, including reduction surgery. It could also be removal of a lump or similar, and if one will have reconstruction surgery why exactly would you consider it wrong to have enhancement at the same time?
Again, false equivalency. Lingerie modeling isn't porn. She's also continued seeking public attention in other forms of entertainment. So what?
Her Wikipedia article states she did 12 scenes, being paid about $1,000 for each of them. Remixes happen a LOT in the industry as I understand it. And as TFA points out, Bang. Bros. is owned by the same company which owns XVIDEOS. So not a lot of ability to be forgotten if the contracts are right and they insist on allowing the material.
I might be wrong as well, but not as wrong as you are.
By the way, how does one learn from ONE'S MISTAKES if they are forever on public display? If one wants to allow her to learn from her mistakes, then one should also allow her the right to be forgotten.
(Score: 2) by looorg on Saturday July 04 2020, @12:23PM (1 child)
A petition, that is going to go places. I'm sure the pornpeddlers are quaking in their boots now. If anything they probably got another raging boner cause now they could just remaster/cut all her movies and clips and sell a "best of" or leaving the biz montage video. Spunkfest 2020 ...
Has this kind of attempt ever succeeded by anyone leaving the biz? Possibly with the exception of Tracy Lords, but then due to her lying about her age which ment that most of her things was technically child pornography. But all the other women that eventually grew out of the biz or found Jebuz or landed a husband or whatever might have said they regret it but they are not stupid enough to think they can somehow erase their past -- and that was even before the digital age. There are a fair amount of stars that found God and later did regret their younger self and said actions.
She might not like it being around, but what is done is done and she is probably better off just learning to live with it and get on with her life. Isn't that part of growing older -- learning to live with your eventual mistakes? Cause even if by some magical miracle it all went away it can just pop up again and again forever cause those clips from various sites, movies sold on somekind of hardcopy device (vhs, dvd ...) will be around FOREVER, or until said material just can't be read or displayed anymore.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 04 2020, @12:51PM
Observe the buzzword fest in TFA. What is the scheme? "Pay up or I sic this herd of triggered snowflakes on you, see if I don't!"
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Bot on Saturday July 04 2020, @12:44PM (2 children)
Did the girl film under her own real name? Doesn't sound like it. So, the correct way to deal with it is a different hairstyle and "no never heard about her" when compared to herself as a porn actress.
This is an exercise in rewriting history. BUT IT'S FOR A GOOD CAUSE, cries the poor millennial leftie. Yes it is, most atrocities were justified the same way, so while I agree I think this is half a self promotion drill, half the usual agenda split in half, the leftie side.
Anyway, play along, delete the videos and ask her the money back.
Account abandoned.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 04 2020, @01:49PM (1 child)
Not really, the videos will remain out there and available as long as they're in production. Removing them from these websites will greatly reduce the number of people that see them. These days, just charging for porn greatly reduces the chances of people seeing it. Sure, they might see a short clip, but probably not enough to make much of an impression.
(Score: 2) by chewbacon on Saturday July 04 2020, @06:18PM
Exactly. Removal is not feasible so long as people have them on their PCs and the Internet exists. Hey, Mia, even though you're not new to the Internet, I'd like to welcome you anyway since you still don't know how it works!
(Score: 3, Informative) by chewbacon on Saturday July 04 2020, @02:25PM
This isn't a new effort for her, she's been trying to do this for a while. At first she retired and then walked away, sort of ignoring her stint in porn. But then she started accounts on sites like OnlyFans where I can only imagine she got naked for cash again. She isn't bright, but after the second time in adult entertainment, 3rd time is a charm for having a normal life.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 04 2020, @02:39PM (2 children)
Hmm, I see boobies and the Streisand effect. She's presented as a pr0n star right in the headline, and we get to examine her cleavage. That doesn't seem like a very good way of getting away from a pr0n star identity. Now we must erase the news.com.au articles and change.org petition as well, in order to restore her virginal virtue and honor, so that she can make somebody a fine wife some day.
What are some sex-positive feminist writings, preferably involving anarchism or socialism, I can put on my endless list of stuff to read in order to better understand this issue? Emma Goldman seems like a good place to start, just because I'm intrigued by (but also cautious of) her complaints about first wave feminism in The Tragedy of Woman’s Emancipation [marxists.org] (1911). I also need to read some Clara Zetkin and Käte Duncker. Who else?
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @04:28AM (1 child)
The letters where your mom wants you to get a girlfriend and move out her basement!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @06:32PM
*janeway facepalm*
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 04 2020, @03:59PM (1 child)
Now that’s what I call boobstrapping!
sorry I meant bootstrapping
https://wealthygorilla.com/mia-khalifa-net-worth/ [wealthygorilla.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 04 2020, @05:45PM
What do you think this whole thing is about? It isn't about regret and wanting to leave the porn industry. It is Kim K. and Pamela Anderson, etc., etc. She's probably bucking for a reality TV series of her own to "expand her brand."
(Score: 4, Interesting) by bzipitidoo on Saturday July 04 2020, @07:45PM (1 child)
All these comments that run with the premise, she "made a mistake", is it really a mistake, and if yes, why is it a mistake?
It's only a mistake because a bunch of prudes say so! If it wasn't for the social opprobrium, and the massive hypocrisy particularly from social conservatives, there wouldn't be any issue. So some young woman shows off her naked body, online. Woohoo, but in the end, so what?
As to what she may have endured to get paid for stripping down, that's another problem caused in no small part by the porn industry having to operate somewhat in the shadows. Porn production lives with useless harassment from law enforcement. Instead of law enforcement checking to make sure there's no sexual or other exploitation going on, making sure the porn stars get regular health checks, and are not being cheated of their pay, that sort of thing, they take a high handed moralistic approach in which the members of this business are all already prejudged and found guilty. Instead of helping to keep the business as clean as it can be,
this approach by law enforcement makes things much worse for the most vulnerable, as now the girls can be blackmailed with threats of jail time and the like, and it's a lot harder for them to bring a criminal matter to the police, like if they are the victims of crime unrelated to their work. They might well be arrested rather than helped.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @08:23PM
It's not a mistake if she defines it as having been a mistake?