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posted by Fnord666 on Tuesday September 01 2020, @02:06PM   Printer-friendly

Estrogen may lessen severity of COVID-19 symptoms in women, study finds:

There is growing evidence that Covid-19 poses greater risks for men than women1. Wake Forest School of Medicine has published a review of preclinical data that may indicate a protective effect related to estrogen.

Why are men at greater risk than women for more severe symptoms and worse outcomes from COVID-19 regardless of age?

In an effort to understand why this occurs, scientists at Wake Forest School of Medicine conducted a review of published preclinical data on sex-specific hormone activity, especially estrogen. The review is published in the September online issue of the journal Current Hypertension Reports.

"We know that coronavirus affects the heart and we know that estrogen is protective against cardiovascular disease in women, so the most likely explanation seemed to be hormonal differences between the sexes," said the lead author of the review, Leanne Groban, M.D., professor of anesthesiology at Wake Forest School of Medicine, part of Wake Forest Baptist Health.

Journal Reference:
Leanne Groban, Hao Wang, Xuming Sun, et al. Is Sex a Determinant of COVID-19 Infection? Truth or Myth? [open], Current Hypertension Reports (DOI: 10.1007/s11906-020-01073-x)

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  • (Score: -1, Interesting) by barbara hudson on Tuesday September 01 2020, @02:44PM (20 children)

    by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Tuesday September 01 2020, @02:44PM (#1044930) Journal

    Even after menopause it takes about a decade for the long term effects of estrogen to disappear.

    One Ontario hospital was basically full of men in their 30s to 50s - all with advanced male pattern baldness. They even mentioned it on a tv documentary. Too much testosterone.

    So all the misogynists, trans-haters, incels, and MGTOW, guess who's laughing now?

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    • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @03:27PM (10 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @03:27PM (#1044944)

      They're still laughing because it's still a pretty small portion of the population. Women remain spoiled brats and that will continue. Rather than actually building things you continue to tear them down because men created them.

      The reality here is that people like you created those groups. Somehow when it's women demanding things that they haven't earned or helped create there's no problem, but when it's men noticed how badly we're getting screwed somehow we're all misogynists and incels, not people that are smart enough to see what's going on and notice that we're being left behind.

      • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @04:28PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @04:28PM (#1044975)
        Poor delicate victim! Don't they realize you are a delicate victim? Why can't they see that???
      • (Score: 2, Interesting) by barbara hudson on Tuesday September 01 2020, @04:43PM (3 children)

        by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Tuesday September 01 2020, @04:43PM (#1044982) Journal

        Me: To all the misogynists
        Anonymous Coward: we're still laughing because it's still a pretty small portion of the population.

        Women are the majority of the population.

        Anonymous Coward: "blah blah blah" (typical misogynistic rant proving my point)

        Me: Do you now see why women won't sleep with misogynists, trans-haters, incels, and MGTOG?

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @07:09PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @07:09PM (#1045031)

          Me: Do you now see why women won't sleep with misogynists, trans-haters, incels, and MGTOG?

          Citation needed. If women wouldn't sleep with misogynists, that trait would have died out long ago.

          • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Tuesday September 01 2020, @07:38PM (1 child)

            by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Tuesday September 01 2020, @07:38PM (#1045050) Journal
            It's (misogyny) not a heritable trait. But it certainly helps explain lesbians.
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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2020, @08:00PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2020, @08:00PM (#1046027)

              Traits associated with misogyny are very likely to be genetic though. Possessiveness and jealousy, violent response to perceived infidelity, and patterns of infidelity are all believed to be heritable.

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday September 01 2020, @06:28PM (4 children)

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday September 01 2020, @06:28PM (#1045006) Journal

        Have you noticed it's not the rich or even comfortably well-off men getting left behind, but normal and poor men?

        Here's a clue: it's the rich who are fucking you over. You have more in common with even a poor black Jewish paraplegic lesbian in a wheelchair than you do with a fellow white male who makes over $100,000 a year, and that crowd lives in constant dread of you (and the woman in the wheelchair) ever figuring that out.

        They are playing divide and conquer with you. They have you hating people you should be making common cause with for economic and social/class reasons. They're hoping that by giving you someone to look down on and spread your misery downward, you'll never stop to think about WHY your situation sucks so hard.

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        • (Score: 1) by NPC-131072 on Tuesday September 01 2020, @07:56PM (1 child)

          by NPC-131072 (7144) on Tuesday September 01 2020, @07:56PM (#1045062) Journal

          You have more in common with even a poor black Jewish paraplegic lesbian in a wheelchair than you do with a fellow white male

          Very disappointed you forgot the dwarfism. This is why my fight for social justice is ongoing!

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @12:59AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @12:59AM (#1045194)

            Oh hai tweedle dee! Nice to see you survived your internal bleaching.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @09:34PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @09:34PM (#1045102)

          Oh no, now the socialists are coming for us too?! Save us Mr. President! Bring back our precious coal mining jobs? [marxists.org]

        • (Score: 0, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @11:25PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @11:25PM (#1045153)

          You have more in common with even a poor black Jewish paraplegic lesbian in a wheelchair than you do with a fellow white male

          Only thing we have in common is that we both hate Jews.

    • (Score: 2) by bart on Tuesday September 01 2020, @03:30PM (6 children)

      by bart (2844) on Tuesday September 01 2020, @03:30PM (#1044946)

      Ok, English is not my native tongue, but generally I can express myself quite well, and understand everything. But I really can't be bothered to look up "incel", "trans-hater" or MGTOW. MTOW I know, but what's the G for?

      • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @03:43PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @03:43PM (#1044953)

        incel = virgin naaaaaaaaaazi terrorwrist
        trans-hater = more accurate than transphobe
        MGTOW = Men Going Their Own Way

      • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @04:19PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @04:19PM (#1044970)

        Honestly, the comment isn't worth reading. It's the same self-entitled bullshit that women and trans people circulate in order to make themselves feel better. They mostly do it because it's easier than actually achieving things. I would have achieved things excep those mean boys wouldn't do all the work for me kind of thinking.

        • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @04:35PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @04:35PM (#1044979)

          What have you achieved ?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2020, @08:02PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2020, @08:02PM (#1046028)

            Nothing that you know about, and I like it that way.

      • (Score: 2, Troll) by VLM on Tuesday September 01 2020, @10:32PM (1 child)

        by VLM (445) on Tuesday September 01 2020, @10:32PM (#1045134)

        I'll save you the time as they're all leftist slurs against anyone to the right of Marx and Lenin.

        I guess the right wing counterpart of those slurs is when people write their biographies or profiles, its supposed to be a list of accomplishments or achievements to brag about but leftists being leftists their profiles are usually virtue signaling a long list of mental illnesses, sexual degeneracies, and criminal acts. Like right wing biographies all read something like "after years of sweat and hard work, I overhead press 125 pounds" or earned a doctorate degree or some award or founded a profitable job providing company or whatever, whereas leftist biographies all read something like "My greatest achievement is I do stuff with other dude's butts that was considered a crime a few years ago" as if anyone is proud of that.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @07:38AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @07:38AM (#1045290)

          Marx and Lenin would have put the gays and transgenders, although maybe not the feminists in the gulag, or maybe put to death.

          So know, us Marxist/Socialist lefties wouldn't actually do that. What' you're looking for is the capitalist victim culture lefties, who prefer to make everything about them, while ignoring the common persons struggle (whether they be man, woman, or not out and proud LGBTQ).

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @11:16AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @11:16AM (#1045321)

      advanced male pattern baldness. They even mentioned it on a tv documentary. Too much testosterone.

      Except these are not correlated. DHT sensitive hair does not mean "TOO MUCH TESTOSTERONE". It means your hair is sensitive to falling out because of DHT. If you lower your DHT, it may help your hair but it doesn't make your testosterone lower at all. Furthermore, testosterone is lowered as you age, but male pattern baldness is increased as you have.... hmmm....

      Anyway, making fun of someone's genes is fucking sad. No better than,

      all the misogynists, trans-haters, incels, and MGTOW, guess who's laughing now?

      I guess it's a case of victims becomes the abuser. The bullied the bully.

  • (Score: 3, Funny) by DannyB on Tuesday September 01 2020, @03:49PM (15 children)

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 01 2020, @03:49PM (#1044956) Journal

    The article seems to lack the courage to conclude that we should start giving men, perhaps even boys, massive doses of Estrogen to protect them from COVID-19 and from cardiac problems.

    This would also perhaps protect them from becoming Incels, MGTOW, or even worse, gamers.

    It could free us all from having to wear masks.

    I hope the president can be made aware of this important information.

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    • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @04:24PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @04:24PM (#1044972)

      Can you imagine what would happen if Trump had to take estrogen? He might actually develop empathy! It would be a miracle!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @09:36PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @09:36PM (#1045103)

        He's already got the curvy figure.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @11:28PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @11:28PM (#1045154)

        Can you imagine what would happen if you actually had to take Testosterone? You might actually stop asking other men to fuck your wife! It would be a miracle!

        P.S. I don't want my leader to thinka bout the poor Chinks he is about to nuke, when we have ICBMs heading at us. A leader like that is dangerous.

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by barbara hudson on Tuesday September 01 2020, @04:47PM (9 children)

      by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Tuesday September 01 2020, @04:47PM (#1044983) Journal
      Trump has been taking the same testosterone blocker that male-to-female transsexuals take before surgery to lower their natural testosterone. He takes it to try to slow down his male pattern baldness. Consequences include weight gain and speaking in a sing-song voice when giving speeches.
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      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday September 01 2020, @05:44PM (6 children)

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 01 2020, @05:44PM (#1044994) Journal

        Consequences include . . . speaking in a sing-song voice when giving speeches.

        Are you serious?

        I thought much of his speaking and pronunciation difficulties (yo! semite!) were due to his illiteracy.

        I remember a video of him reading something around 2016 election time, he read slowly, stumbling over some words, and you could see the "ah ha" moments on his face as he grasped what he was reading.

        When speaking he uses more words with fewer syllables, even if there are more concise ways to express an idea.

        Is it really possible that Trump would be so vane as to take a testosterone blocker to prevent baldness? Wait. Don't answer that.

        Grow old gracefully with dignity. I still have some of my hair. Baldness or signs of age can also be signs of wisdom, or signs of programming in Java.

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        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday September 01 2020, @06:47PM (2 children)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 01 2020, @06:47PM (#1045015) Journal

          A man would have to be very vein to be afraid of pattern baldness. Or they would have to be trying to attract a much younger women.

          That would explain the orange makeup, blond hair, racoon eyes, and shoe lifts. What about a girdle to keep the abdomen from bulging out too much?

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          • (Score: 2) by captain normal on Tuesday September 01 2020, @07:20PM (1 child)

            by captain normal (2205) on Tuesday September 01 2020, @07:20PM (#1045041)

            I think you meant vain.

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            • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday September 01 2020, @08:49PM

              by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 01 2020, @08:49PM (#1045082) Journal

              <no-sarcasm>
              Two posts higher I said

              Is it really possible that Trump would be so vane as to . . .

              Words with 3 homonyms are fun.

              Caulks Cocks Cox
              Censer Censor Sensor
              Chorale Coral Corral
              Clawed Claud Claude
              Concord Concurred Conquered
              Decent Descent Dissent
              Dense Dents Dints
              Dew Do Due
              Flew Flu Flue
              Gem Gym Jim
              Gen Gin Jen
              Hays Haze Hey's
              Heal Heel He'll
              Heard Herd Hurd
              Hem Him Hymn
              Holey Holy Wholly
              Knead Kneed Need
              Kneel Neal Neil
              Knight Night Nite
              Knot Naught Not
              Lager Lauger Logger
              Liar Lier (as in outlier) Lyre
              Main Maine Mane
              Maize Mays Maze
              Mall Maul Moll
              Mary Marry Merry
              Meat Meet Mete
              Micks Mick's Mix
              Palate (roof of mouth, appreciation of taste), Palette (painting, color board), Pallet (straw mattress)
              Pedal Peddle Petal
              Poored Pored Poured
              Prays Praise Preys
              Rose (flower) Rose (did rise) Rows
              Seas Sees Seize
              Seoul Sole Soul
              Sew So Sow
              Steal Steel Still
              Taught Taut Tot
              Tease Tees T's
              Tends Tens Tins
              Their There They're
              Threw Through Thru
              To Too Two
              Toad Toed Towed (three-toed sloth, cars will be towed)
              Vain Vane Vein
              Wails Wales Whales
              Way Weigh Whey
              We'll Wheel Will
              Your You're Yore

              Even more funner are words with 4 homonyms.

              Cents Scents Sense Since
              Right (direction, is correct, something not subject to a vote) Rite Wright Write
              Ware Wear (clothing) Wear (diminished by use) We're Where

              But the most funnest of all are words with 5 homonyms.

              Macs Mac's Macks Maks Max

              Maybe I'll have to post my complete list one day. I didn't collect these overnight you know.
              </no-sarcasm>

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        • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Tuesday September 01 2020, @08:01PM (2 children)

          by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Tuesday September 01 2020, @08:01PM (#1045064) Journal
          I was joking about the voice, but not the hair. It's been known for decades that he's not all that smart, having a hard time reading off a TelePrompTer, like he's got dementia. Given the revelation that Penske was on standby to temporarily take over if Trump had to be anestestized during his unscheduled last visit to the hospital, his trouble walking down a ramp or holding a water bottle with one hand, a series of mini strokes or vascular dementia is looking really good.
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          • (Score: 4, Informative) by DannyB on Tuesday September 01 2020, @08:56PM

            by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 01 2020, @08:56PM (#1045085) Journal

            reading off a TelePrompTer, like he's got dementia

            That. Or illiteracy, which is very likely based on oral speech. Or both.

            Two major defects for the price of one. We should be happy.

            Trump had to be anestestized during his unscheduled last visit to the hospital

            Stroke or mini / many strokes explain that.

            Another symptom is 'right side weakness'. Hence the dropping of his right face. Inability to lift drinking cup with right arm, unassisted by left arm. Inability for right leg to walk down a ramp.

            The face dropping on the right would explain him SUDDENLY wearing a mask in public. Previously he wouldn't wear a mask because it would mess up his orange clown makeup. But more importantly is to hide from the public that his right face is melting drooping.

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          • (Score: 1, Troll) by VLM on Tuesday September 01 2020, @10:39PM

            by VLM (445) on Tuesday September 01 2020, @10:39PM (#1045136)

            This is the typical leftist stuff where if they're bad and know it, so they claim its ACTUALLY the other guys.

            So yeah, everyone knows Biden is basically a semi-animated vegetable, so its supposed to impress voters when there's claims its ACTUALLY Trump who's the vegetable, but nobody falls for it, LOL.

            On a personal level its sad seeing some elderly disabled dude being used "weekend at bernies" style ironically to keep actual real world Bernie out of his parties nominations. They should have just let Biden retire into a nice old folks home in peace, go run Hillary again, LOL.

            Didn't work last election either. Remember how many underage girls Bill Clinton raped making it look bad for Hillary? So uh, yeah, uh Trump did that all the time, huh huh yeah thats it, as if anyone believes that kind of stuff. Ironically I guess Biden was in fact a rapist but having no more memory due to extreme age it seems unfair to punish a guy for raping a girl he can't remember anymore, so nobody's hassling him about it.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @11:21AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @11:21AM (#1045323)

        Trump has been taking the same testosterone blocker ....

        https://deadline.com/2016/09/donald-trump-testosterone-level-applause-dr-oz-show-1201820359/ [deadline.com]

        I'm first to shit on that idiot but in this case, but your comment is BS. He's a geriatric senile Nazi but making shit up is just weird.

        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by barbara hudson on Wednesday September 02 2020, @01:57PM

          by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Wednesday September 02 2020, @01:57PM (#1045365) Journal

          Dr Oz is a quack. He was called to testify as to why he pushes medical claims he knows aren't true. His response was that it's opinion.

          You know it's bs when he uses freedom of speech to defend knowingly lying.

          The alumni at his former university wanted them to pull his degree, he's so disgraceful.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @10:18PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @10:18PM (#1045128)

      Seems premature.

      A good bit of the immune system is sex linked to the X chromosome. It stands to reason that women having two X chromosomes might have stronger immune systems than men.

      I suspect the estrogen bit is more correlation than causation.

      https://www.livescience.com/16268-female-immune-system-stronger-males-genetics.html [livescience.com]

      Or, a more scholarly source:

      https://humgenomics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40246-018-0185-z [biomedcentral.com]

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @06:46PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @06:46PM (#1045014)

    Estrogen may lessen severity of COVID-19 symptoms in women, study finds:

    Did they take this null hypothesis into account: Estrogen is produced in younger women, younger humans have less severe Covid 19 outcomes.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by barbara hudson on Tuesday September 01 2020, @07:47PM (1 child)

      by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Tuesday September 01 2020, @07:47PM (#1045059) Journal
      Did you take into account (1) that there's the long tail effect that I mentioned ? And (2) all the women on HRT (hormone replacement therapy?)

      The whole "the least estrogen for the least amount of time" has been replaced, for no -smokers, with "as much as you need to feel good, for as long as you want".

      Because while testosterone has negative side effects, estrogen doesn't.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @08:39PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @08:39PM (#1045079)

        Tragically, survival of our species depends upon the adequate incidence of both estrogen and testosterone, notwithstanding the world of negative consequences such incidence might engender.

        Last time I checked, though, aside from Climate Change, there seemed to be little danger of our extinction.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @03:22AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @03:22AM (#1045231)

    COVID is a blessing in disguise. Men are programmed to turn the wealth of society towards death and destruction every time they are the majority of the population, killing each other until they're a minority again. We will only be safe when men are made a minority permanently.

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