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posted by mrpg on Thursday October 05 2017, @05:55AM   Printer-friendly
from the yes dept.

Life on Earth began somewhere between 3.7 and 4.5 billion years ago, after meteorites splashed down and leached essential elements into warm little ponds, say scientists at McMaster University and the Max Planck Institute in Germany. Their calculations suggest that wet and dry cycles bonded basic molecular building blocks in the ponds' nutrient-rich broth into self-replicating RNA molecules that constituted the first genetic code for life on the planet.

The researchers base their conclusion on exhaustive research and calculations drawing in aspects of astrophysics, geology, chemistry, biology and other disciplines. Though the "warm little ponds" concept has been around since Darwin, the researchers have now proven its plausibility through numerous evidence-based calculations.

[...] The spark of life, the authors say, was the creation of RNA polymers: the essential components of nucleotides, delivered by meteorites, reaching sufficient concentrations in pond water and bonding together as water levels fell and rose through cycles of precipitation, evaporation and drainage. The combination of wet and dry conditions was necessary for bonding, the paper says.

Original URL: Did life on Earth start due to meteorites splashing into warm little ponds?

Origin of the RNA world: The fate of nucleobases in warm little ponds (DOI: 10.1073/pnas.1710339114) (DX)

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Thursday October 05 2017, @06:58AM (11 children)

    by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday October 05 2017, @06:58AM (#577329) Journal

    No.

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by aristarchus on Thursday October 05 2017, @07:10AM (9 children)

      by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday October 05 2017, @07:10AM (#577333) Journal

      Drip, drip, drip. And, No Comment? Just a question, for the three Soylents left.

      • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 05 2017, @07:20AM (8 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 05 2017, @07:20AM (#577336)

        And, No Comment? Just a question, for the three Soylents left.

        The D¡¢κ n¡99ers are busy with young pussy, not interested in dealing with the 3 old cunts here.

        • (Score: -1, Troll) by aristarchus on Thursday October 05 2017, @07:24AM (4 children)

          by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday October 05 2017, @07:24AM (#577337) Journal

          Just as I thought. If only I had an iota to refudiate this going rouge by Young Refuglicans!

          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 05 2017, @04:26PM (3 children)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 05 2017, @04:26PM (#577499) Journal

            Going red? Nahhh, you ain't got it in you.

            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Thursday October 05 2017, @07:18PM (2 children)

              by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday October 05 2017, @07:18PM (#577584) Journal

              Once again, Runaway, read it again. It does not say what you think it says.

              • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday October 06 2017, @01:17AM (1 child)

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 06 2017, @01:17AM (#577741) Journal

                Rouge, as in Baton Rouge, which is French for Red Stick. Republicans are red, right? Democrats are blue, right? You're going rouge? Come on, you made a spelling mistake when you typed rogue.

                • (Score: 3, Informative) by aristarchus on Friday October 06 2017, @01:30AM

                  by aristarchus (2645) on Friday October 06 2017, @01:30AM (#577743) Journal

                  Red is for Commie! A relic of the Cold War such as yourself should know this! And you did not catch the double-Palin? "Refudiate" and "Rouge" in the same sentence? Republicans want to break teacher unions and un-fund education, because they cannot spell, and resent people who can. Darn liberal snobs!

        • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Thursday October 05 2017, @07:48AM (2 children)

          by MostCynical (2589) on Thursday October 05 2017, @07:48AM (#577346) Journal

          Unlikely.. Apart from his ability to type, DN is more likely a leftover sample of the original pond slime (spontaneous local generation, or interplantary hitchhiker).

          Wasn't there an article in the last few months about spontaneous amino acid/RNA creation in lab-version early Earth water?

          --
          "I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
          • (Score: 4, Funny) by c0lo on Thursday October 05 2017, @09:46AM

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 05 2017, @09:46AM (#577375) Journal

            Wasn't there an article in the last few months about spontaneous amino acid/RNA creation in lab-version early Earth water?

            And you reckon DN were spontaneous generated? in lab-version early Earth water?
            I tend to favour more the "stupid creation" hypothesis.

            --
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
          • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 05 2017, @08:22PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 05 2017, @08:22PM (#577617)

            You'll need to be more specific about what was new in that.

            spontaneous amino acid/RNA creation in lab-version early Earth water

            On this topic, the thing that comes to my mind is the The Miller-Urey experiment[1], published in 1953. [wikipedia.org]

            That used an aqueous solution with lots of volatiles in the mix and a spark in the "atmosphere" to simulate lightning.

            [1] I really hate it when folks needlessly/improperly use em dashes in page titles/URLs.

            -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 05 2017, @08:12AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 05 2017, @08:12AM (#577356)

      PVLVIS ERIS ET IN PVLVEREM REVERTERIS

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by shrewdsheep on Thursday October 05 2017, @07:47AM (3 children)

    by shrewdsheep (5215) on Thursday October 05 2017, @07:47AM (#577345)

    Researchers overrating their findings. Meteorites coming down at the right moment might have been a necessary conditions for life. But so have been many other events. Such as comets coming down and contributing the water that formed the "warm ponds" in the first place. Of course, the whole exercise requires a lot of assumptions which may or may not be true. A more relevant exercise would be to state a sufficient condition, which more likely than not would show that there are no necessary conditions.

    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday October 05 2017, @09:34AM

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 05 2017, @09:34AM (#577369) Journal

      A more relevant exercise would be to state a sufficient condition, which more likely than not would show that there are no necessary conditions.

      One if the necessary conditions it that the world must not be a simulation in a classical computer.
      One more reason (if I ever needed one) to convince me that Tron:Legacy is crap.

      --
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 05 2017, @04:33PM (1 child)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 05 2017, @04:33PM (#577504) Journal

      Insightful. So many researchers seem so very sure of themselves - but they can offer no proofs. Next year, there will be another study to refute this study - but THEY won't offer any proofs either. Meanwhile, you, me, or anyone can sit around and daydream (with or without the benefit of hallucinogenic drugs) and come to our own, equally valid, conclusions.

      I lean toward the panspermia hypothesis. Life didn't originate here on earth. We're all alien life forms, that have adapted to conditions on earth. But, I'm not going to beat the idea to death. There's is no proof, so I'm not going to try convincing you that it's true.

      And, none of it matters anyway. Knowing one way or the other would make absolutely no difference to any of us.

      • (Score: 2) by Mykl on Thursday October 05 2017, @10:59PM

        by Mykl (1112) on Thursday October 05 2017, @10:59PM (#577685)

        OK, let's assume that life began elsewhere and hitchhiked to Earth.

        How did that life start? The question doesn't go away by simply offshoring it.

        For my money, I care less about which planet the warm pool existed on and more about whether combining the right set of elements under the right set of conditions does actually create life.

        You're right though - it doesn't really matter. If this is how life began, the religious can easily say that this was just the mechanism that God worked through (after creating a Universe with the rules that would allow this to happen).

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 05 2017, @09:35AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 05 2017, @09:35AM (#577370)

    Why do you need meteorites? Isn't the earth just a large ball of the same components that meteorites are made of? What is so special about meteors that earth would not have?

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 05 2017, @10:04AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 05 2017, @10:04AM (#577381)

      At the least, meteors/comets delivered metals into the Earth's crust as well as water.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by c0lo on Thursday October 05 2017, @10:06AM

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 05 2017, @10:06AM (#577382) Journal

      n't the earth just a large ball of the same components that meteorites are made of?

      Organic matter formed under the "gentle nudge" of UV and space radiation.
      A just formed planet will be hotter than any of those substances can withstand. By contrast, that UV/space radiation, while more energetic per photon/particle than thermal radiation, has quite a low spatial density/flux - takes a long time to form a significant amount of slime precursors, but those already formed have less chances for decomposition.

      --
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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 05 2017, @03:06PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 05 2017, @03:06PM (#577461)

    Where'd the water come from? Who made the little pools? Where'd the meteorite come from? So many questions.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 05 2017, @07:25PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 05 2017, @07:25PM (#577590)

      Kolob. Next!

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 05 2017, @07:30PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 05 2017, @07:30PM (#577593)

    the "warm little ponds" concept has been around since Darwin

    What's this? The theory is not evolving?

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