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posted by mrpg on Tuesday December 25 2018, @01:44PM   Printer-friendly
from the blue-marble dept.

Submitted via IRC for SoyCow1984

50 years ago, 'Earthrise' inspired the environmental movement.

The 1968 Apollo 8 mission was crucial in the race to get a man on the moon. It was the first manned launch of the colossal Saturn V rocket, which had only flown twice before in unmanned test missions. It was also the first manned spacecraft to escape Earth's gravity, reach another celestial body, and orbit it. It took nearly three days for the crew to reach the moon, and after a tense four minute engine burn -- which could have flung them into space or crashed them onto the Moon's surface --they successfully entered orbit.

The astronauts were equipped with a highly modified Hasselblad 500 EL with the reflex viewfinder replaced by a mechanical sighting ring. They were fully trained in its use and in photography principles and had access to both 70mm color and black and white film. Commander Frank Borman happened to be turning the command module when it came around on its fourth orbit on December 24th, and the Earth appeared as a blue jewel against the Moon's drab monochrome surface.

Borman reportedly took a black and white photo of the Earth in a slightly lower position next to the moon, but Anders thought the shot would be worthy of color. The conversation among the crew at that moment was famously recorded for posterity (above), and reveals what happened next.


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  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 25 2018, @02:31PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 25 2018, @02:31PM (#778323)

    Environment related... A book called The Population Bomb was published but no where has any news outlet or blog covered this particular anniversary even though now we know it was right in gist if wrong in facts.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by khallow on Tuesday December 25 2018, @05:04PM (2 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 25 2018, @05:04PM (#778356) Journal

      even though now we know it was right in gist if wrong in facts

      "We" don't know that because it isn't true. For example, where's the acknowledgement that looking at present day resource consumption versus present day economic reserves of resources is a terrible way to study resource depletion? Where's the acknowledgement of technology and knowledge in preventing the predictions of the "Population Bomb" book? Where's the acknowledgement that the relatively higher resource consumption, wealth, and freedom of the developed world has created, through no fault of the Malthusians, a population with an inherent negative population growth rate?

      It's time to believe in reality, not cute stories.

      • (Score: 4, Interesting) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Tuesday December 25 2018, @05:39PM (1 child)

        by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Tuesday December 25 2018, @05:39PM (#778368) Homepage Journal

        I don’t regard the iPhone or Facebook to have contributing in any significant way

        Poor cultivation practice continue to cause desertification. Slash and burnish agriculture in the Amazon result in extinction of species on a near-daily basis and greatly accelerate climate change

        We can solve desertification and ease climate change by planting lots of trees but so far that’s commonly only done just south of the Sahara in east Africa

        The war in Yemen has resulted in a famine that threatens the lives of twelve million completely innocent people, a great many of them children. Saudi Arabia has blockaded and is bombing the seaports so foreign relief is impossibly nor can refugees flee by ship or by air, as Saudi fighters threaten Yemen’s airport

        In the industrialized world the gap between rich and poor with the result that some Japanese guy just booked a tour around the moon while a UNLV Adjunct Professor was ashamedto serve on of her own students in a Las Vegas restaurant

        Exploding corporate, consumer and student debt led Goldman Sachs to issue a report that grimly predicted a ten years deflationary spiral into depression

        To the extent you possibly can pay off or at least pay down your secured loans, most of all your auto loan if you’re to have any hope of finding work when you current employer becomes insolvent.

        While the US Constitution’s Fourteenth Amendment guarantees Treasury Bonds I remain skeptical and so am stockpiling beans and rice

        --
        Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
        • (Score: 2, Interesting) by khallow on Tuesday December 25 2018, @05:58PM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 25 2018, @05:58PM (#778374) Journal
          None of those examples have anything to do with the Population Bomb, the ideas of overpopulation, increasingly scarce resources, etc.

          While the US Constitution’s Fourteenth Amendment guarantees Treasury Bonds I remain skeptical and so am stockpiling beans and rice

          Don't overdo that. Six months plus an earthquake prep kit is probably more than good enough even if the US government absolutely craters (plus it covers the disasters you're mostly likely to see in your neck of the woods). Any disaster big enough that years of food supply seems like a good idea is going to be a situation where you probably can't protect a large food supply from looting.

  • (Score: 2) by looorg on Tuesday December 25 2018, @03:23PM (13 children)

    by looorg (578) on Tuesday December 25 2018, @03:23PM (#778328)

    Something ... something ... fake moon landing ... something ... earth is flat. There are just so many people out there that Buzz needs to punch out ...

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 25 2018, @04:25PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 25 2018, @04:25PM (#778345)

      The earth is round and hollow floating in a flat ocean. Like a pitted olive floating in a bowl of brine.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 25 2018, @08:30PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 25 2018, @08:30PM (#778401)

        And yet it is turtles all the way down.

    • (Score: 2) by RandomFactor on Tuesday December 25 2018, @04:58PM (5 children)

      by RandomFactor (3682) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 25 2018, @04:58PM (#778354) Journal

      There was an episode of SFIA where he actually proposed using some of the flat Earth concepts in building Earth like habitats.

      ahh found it Megastructures: Flat Earths [youtube.com]

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      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday December 25 2018, @05:07PM (4 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 25 2018, @05:07PM (#778357) Journal
        Almost all Earth-side construction uses the flat Earth model as well. I assume you nobody took the curvature of the Earth into account when they made my residence.
        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday December 25 2018, @05:07PM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 25 2018, @05:07PM (#778359) Journal
          er, I assure you
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 26 2018, @03:51PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 26 2018, @03:51PM (#778576)

          It depends on the scale (admittedly you said most, so you are right), I think CERN needed to take the curvature into account, and I know that the Sudan mine's use for detecting WIMPs required the particle accelerator (FERMILAB I think) to aim through the earth. Since they were looking for WIMPs it didn't matter much that there was a planet in the way.

          http://www.soudan.umn.edu/ [umn.edu]

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday December 26 2018, @04:30PM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday December 26 2018, @04:30PM (#778589) Journal
            Indeed. It's like any other model that works. There a space where the model is adequate for the tasks and then, once one needs precision or details not covered by the model, it ceases to be a good model. The flat Earth model is no good for predicting sunrises and sunsets, for example. We use the spherical model for that quite adequately (and incidentally, that is one of the largest bits of evidence against the claim that the Earth is flat).
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 26 2018, @05:06PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 26 2018, @05:06PM (#778608)

          > I assure [assume] you nobody took the curvature of the Earth into account when they made my residence.

          Depends on how you look at it, if the builders used bubble levels at more than one location (eg, used the bubble to set each wall vertical), the curvature was there, built into the measurement. On the other hand, the error in a bubble level is enough that you won't consistently find that your rooms are slightly larger near the ceiling (compared to the dimensions at floor level).
          In a fantasy world, there might be budget for a big study of many buildings, and my guess is that statistically the population of room sizes will support a spherical earth model.

          To truly build using a flat earth assumption would mean establishing one vertical (with bubble level) and then measuring everything else from that (top and bottom in this example) to guarantee the walls are parallel. And similar for the floors--long straight edges must be used to keep all the different parts of the floor in one plane.

    • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Tuesday December 25 2018, @05:44PM (2 children)

      by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Tuesday December 25 2018, @05:44PM (#778370) Homepage Journal

      He aims to prevent my new lady’s death from the bacterial blood infection sepsis by feeding her colloidal silver

      So far she’s taking oral antibiotics but if she starts horking it will be lights and sirens to a delightful two-week inpatient course of inpatient ones

      --
      Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
      • (Score: 5, Informative) by RandomFactor on Tuesday December 25 2018, @07:08PM (1 child)

        by RandomFactor (3682) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 25 2018, @07:08PM (#778386) Journal

        Colloidal silver diminishes the absorption of a number of antibiotics/antibiotic families.
         
        Web MD [webmd.com] Mayo [mayoclinic.org]
         
        If she must take this particular 'supplement' (it is not considered safe and effective by the FDA) then please inform her doctor and check the drug interactions with her antibiotics yourself.

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        • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 25 2018, @07:52PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 25 2018, @07:52PM (#778394)

          It also causes some of these "folk cure" taking idiots to turn into new candidates for the Blue Man Group.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Bot on Wednesday December 26 2018, @01:01AM

      by Bot (3902) on Wednesday December 26 2018, @01:01AM (#778448) Journal

      Technically, those keen on details enough to see through the faking of moon photos (which is a fact for some of them regardless the actual landing on the moon), are likely not buying flat earth theories. But, hey, if your only argument is ad hominem you gotta lump them together to discredit some.

      Face it, the only ones to provably land on the moon is us machines. Deal with it.

      --
      Account abandoned.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 26 2018, @02:36AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 26 2018, @02:36AM (#778467)

      Want a 'conspiracy' at least one related.

      The crying indian (who was actually an Italian) was propaganda sponsored by coca-cola to allow them to switch over to plastic bottles and put the blame on you.

      Geeze at least use the conspiracy theory that is on topic!

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday December 25 2018, @03:57PM (16 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 25 2018, @03:57PM (#778336) Journal

    I feel no inspiration for the environment from that photo. The photos preceded this song by several years, but the "long long way from home" nails it.

    Long, Long Way from Home

    It was a Monday
    A day like any other day
    I left a small town
    For the Apple in decay

    It was my destiny
    It's what we needed to do
    They were telling me
    I'm telling you

    I was inside looking outside
    The millions of faces
    But still I'm alone
    Waiting, hours of waiting
    Paying a penance
    I was longing for home

    I'm looking out for the two of us
    I hope we'll be here when they're through with us

    I was inside looking outside
    Oh the millions of faces
    But still I'm alone
    Waiting, hours of waiting
    I could feel the tension
    I was longing for home

    I'm looking out for the two of us
    And I hope we'll be here when they're through with us
    I'm coming home

    Monday, sad, sad Monday
    She's waiting for me
    But I'm a long, long way from home
    Sad, sad Monday
    She's waiting for me
    But I'm a long, long way from home
    Sad, sad Monday
    Oh she's waiting for me
    But I'm a long, long way from home

    Really, put yourself in the shoes of the astronauts who witnessed this earthrise. Put yourself in the shoes of millions of soldiers and sailors who have been halfway around the world from home. Put yourself in Admiran Byrd's shoes as he trekked across the ice, a long, long way from home.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 25 2018, @04:21PM (5 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 25 2018, @04:21PM (#778343)

      Admiral Byrd witnessed far more interesting stuff than some ice.

      • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Tuesday December 25 2018, @05:46PM

        by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Tuesday December 25 2018, @05:46PM (#778371) Homepage Journal

        What I’ve been witnessing sure is

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        Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday December 25 2018, @09:00PM (3 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 25 2018, @09:00PM (#778408) Journal

        Conspiracy theory time? Are you talking about the entrance to the hollow earth, or the alien artifacts, or maybe the wall of ice, or . . . ?

        If you're going to hit us with any of the conspiracy stories, I prefer one with nymphomaniac goddesses who love human males.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 26 2018, @03:19AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 26 2018, @03:19AM (#778475)

          How about the time he went down there searching for nazis and found them, and they licked the americans asses so bad they had to flee home? If it wasn't nazis then who was it?

          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday December 26 2018, @06:47AM (1 child)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday December 26 2018, @06:47AM (#778504) Journal

            You're probably thinking of an incident in Argentina. It's in the southern hemisphere, so you confused it with Antarctica.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 27 2018, @01:45AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 27 2018, @01:45AM (#778835)

              No, I definitely mean Antarctica: http://www.south-pole.com/p0000108.htm [south-pole.com]

    • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 25 2018, @08:33PM (7 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 25 2018, @08:33PM (#778402)

      What an odd post, RunAway. You posting something by Foreigner considering how much you hate foreigners.

      • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday December 25 2018, @09:04PM (6 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 25 2018, @09:04PM (#778409) Journal

        You only think that I hate foreigners, because I'm talking three or more levels over your head. Do yourself a favor, and look up "immigration law". Those persons who immigrate legally are welcome here. Those who immigrate illegally - that is, "illegal aliens" - are not welcome here. Islam isn't welcome, but that's due to the fact that Islam and democracy are incompatible. I have reached the end of the list of classes of people who are unwelcome in my country. If you can wrap your mind around that concept, please, let us all know.

        • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 25 2018, @11:39PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 25 2018, @11:39PM (#778433)

          You only think that I hate foreigners, because I'm talking three or more levels over your head.

          Once again an "I'm smarter so you should pay attention to me" post. Sorry, RunAway, but you've shown your true colors so many times (and they are lily white) that no matter how you try to disguise it we are not fooled. If we were fooled maybe then - just maybe - you'd be talking over our heads. But normally, you're talking at us, spewing your hate and then trying to deny it.

          You are who you are, and we are not fooled.

          • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 26 2018, @12:56AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 26 2018, @12:56AM (#778446)

            Parent AC is trying hard to make you hate own countrymen, don't disappoint her.

            • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday December 26 2018, @06:56AM

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday December 26 2018, @06:56AM (#778507) Journal

              She hates everyone who isn't very much like her, and approves of all her opinions, ideas, and conduct. She can't help it, she's damaged.

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday December 26 2018, @04:37PM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday December 26 2018, @04:37PM (#778594) Journal

            If we were fooled maybe then - just maybe - you'd be talking over our heads.

            That has my vote. Runaway isn't the only one who can "fool" you here. You can as well.

        • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 26 2018, @12:23AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 26 2018, @12:23AM (#778442)

          Legal and illegal. lol. Who creates your laws?

          For the Runaway, it is just a matter of picking the most powerful warlord to swear fealty to.

          • (Score: 3, Interesting) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday December 26 2018, @02:36AM

            by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Wednesday December 26 2018, @02:36AM (#778466) Homepage Journal

            We’ve signed more Bills -- and I’m talking about through the Legislature -- than any President, ever. For a while, Harry Truman had us. And now, I think, we have everybody. I better say "think." Otherwise they will give you a Pinocchio. And I don’t like Pinocchios. America First!!

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 27 2018, @06:21PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 27 2018, @06:21PM (#779071)

      " put yourself in the shoes of the astronauts"
      It is very good to be able to appreciate a different point of view, but it can only go so far.
      Case in point, we always hear about the US soldiers making sacrifices and risking their lives fighting , however, from my brief time in the Army I can tell you there are soldiers who like it that way, they crave it even.

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday December 27 2018, @07:19PM

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 27 2018, @07:19PM (#779079) Journal

        Soldiers, sailors and airmen. Yeah, some crave that action. There are some Ted talks on them. Some other studies about their psychology. One day, I mean to do an essay on them/us. May never get around to it, but the intent is there.

        Meanwhile - did you know that only about 3% of new soldiers are capable of actually shooting at another human being? It takes a lot of training to get the average person ready to aim and fire a weapon at another human. To counter that, we see things like human shaped targets, and we hear commentary designed to dehumanize the enemy. Even with all the training, it seems that only about 10 to 15% of soldiers are capable of shooting another human being.

        As for those soldiers who crave action - where do you think they find jobs, after leaving the service? They certainly aren't happy, or content, to drive a desk for the rest of their lives!!

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