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The Caribbean nation of St. Lucia has quarantined a cruise ship on the island after identifying a confirmed case of measles on board, a health official said.
Passengers and crew members aboard the large ship were not permitted to leave, Dr. Merlene Fredericks-James, the nation’s chief medical officer, said on Tuesday. The highly infectious disease, which can be mostly prevented by a common vaccination, is in the midst of its largest outbreak in a quarter-century in the United States, with more than 700 cases reported.
“Because of the risk of potential infection, not just from the confirmed measles case but from other persons who may be on the boat at the time, we thought it prudent to make a decision not to allow anyone to disembark,” she said in a statement.
Dr. Fredericks-James did not name the ship. But Victor Theodore, a St. Lucia Coast Guard sergeant, told NBC News that it was identified as “Freewinds,” which is reportedly owned and operated by the Church of Scientology. A ship by the same name was moored in St. Lucia on Thursday morning, according to online records.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 03 2019, @11:12AM (3 children)
Nuke it from orbit...
[who'll miss a boatload of sciloons?]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 03 2019, @12:19PM (2 children)
Could not have happened to nicer people.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 03 2019, @12:28PM
"If you're gonna get sick, sure cant beat the measles!"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 03 2019, @01:04PM
Aye, let's see them 'Touch Assist' their way out of this one...in fact, can't we persuade the authorities to air drop in a well known shortarsed sciloon who loves playing the hero to TA the fuck out of these poor sickloons...
Hold on, they're fucking sciloons, so with all their 'tech' how come they're sick in the first instance?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 03 2019, @11:39AM (5 children)
Is this a cover story for investigating infiltration of the FBI by scientologists? A lot of stuff would make a lot more sense if the DNC has been secretly overtaken by scientologists.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 03 2019, @12:35PM (4 children)
Think about it... So much stuff makes more sense if they've been infiltrated by a cult, the modus operandi has been exactly like scientology's and scientologists are known to pull this type of shit.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 03 2019, @12:44PM (3 children)
Also the Hollywood connection...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 03 2019, @04:23PM (2 children)
And the Anunnaki...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 03 2019, @04:55PM (1 child)
Are you a scientologist shill trying to smear the truth by associating it with ancient aliens? Why else would you make that post?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 04 2019, @03:35AM
Might be a theosophist.
(Score: 5, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 03 2019, @12:32PM
A man meets a woman on a cruise and they go to her room.
They're undressing and he drops his trousers. She points to his messed up knees and asks what happened. He says 'when I was young I contracted kneesles'. She says 'you mean measles'. He says 'no, it was kneesles'.
She shrugs and continues undressing. When he removes his socks she looks at his sorry toes and asks about them. He says 'shortly after the kneesles, I contracted toelio'. She says 'you mean polio?'. He says 'no, toelio'.
She shrugs it off, until he drops his shorts. She looks again and says 'don't tell me - smallcox'.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Friday May 03 2019, @01:38PM (2 children)
The government of Caribbean islands can look at incoming cruise ships as a simple monetary proposition: let one dock and you inject X thousand dollars into the local economy (X ranging from tens to high hundreds...)
If this particular ship is carrying a disease that has potential to outbreak on the island, letting this one dock could potentially cause more than one to bypass in the future... 2X > X, easy call.
🌻🌻 [google.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 03 2019, @05:18PM
This is a monetary good idea, but the jump to the assumption that that's what's driving it. Preventing pain and suffering from preventable diseases seems like a "good idea," and quarantining plague ships is a thing which was historically done.
The same logic could be said to, "walking to the grocery store 1 block away is cheaper than going to my car and driving it, so it's an obvious monetary decision."
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 04 2019, @08:04AM
Not a cruise ship, a Tom Cruise ship. Vastly different.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by DannyB on Friday May 03 2019, @02:25PM (35 children)
How long before foreign ports, or even entire countries start to restrict visitors (regardless of religion) from the United States?
After all the US is seeing new cases of diseases that have been largely or completely eradicated in other developed countries.
And all due to ignorance and conspiracy theories.
The US is devolving.
What does the Venn Diagram look like for the sets of:
* conspiracy theories
* main stream media (not FoxNews)
* "Fake" News
* FoxNews
* InfoWars
* Breitbart
* Anti Vaxers (not referring to digital equipment)
* Major US political parties
(any other interesting items to add?)
When trying to solve a problem don't ask who suffers from the problem, ask who profits from the problem.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 03 2019, @02:48PM (11 children)
Yep, I think you figured it out.
Let's start with your premise. Here are some selected (I scrolled through and grabbed "developed" countries I saw, I am sure I missed some) stats for 2019 (rate per pop for 2018-2019 in parentheses):
https://www.who.int/immunization/monitoring_surveillance/burden/vpd/surveillance_type/active/measles_monthlydata/en/ [who.int]
And guess where all the cases in the US are said to come from?
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday May 03 2019, @03:46PM (8 children)
Thank you for that information.
I guess the US needs to continue our anti-vaccination efforts to catch up to other countries.
When trying to solve a problem don't ask who suffers from the problem, ask who profits from the problem.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 03 2019, @04:28PM
How would you conclude that the US needs to "catch up to other countries"?
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Friday May 03 2019, @05:58PM (6 children)
The Measles vaccine is not that old. People older than 50 were not vaccinated as kids. In some countries, people in their 30s or 40s did not have it either available, or not on the mandatory vaccination schedule (many just ended up with the disease years ago as a result and are now immune).
Given that it mostly kills kids, what really matters is the vaccination rate for the under-20s crowd, which would be over 90% as required if the anti-vaxxers weren't so fucking good at ruining it for everyone.
(Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 03 2019, @06:09PM (5 children)
How do people manage to just keep pumping out falsehoods about measles? It is ridiculous.
The vaccination rates in the US are already over 90%, every time a target is reached they have to move it up because the theory of "herd immunity" is based on flawed assumptions (every person is equally likely to meet every other person, measles spreads only via direct contact, etc).
Also, measles kills almost no children in developed counties, it is a rounding error (like 1/10k to 1/100k cases)
And measles only mostly affects children because you only get it once, and obviously the first time you get it is likely to be when you are young. In fact people used to have measles parties because they saw it was much worse when adults or teenagers got it.
The amount of BS you managed to include in one post is impressive.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Osamabobama on Friday May 03 2019, @06:29PM (4 children)
You neglected to mention the long term effects that could occur, including brain damage, hearing loss, and immune suppression.
I'm not impressed by your bullshit.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 03 2019, @06:41PM (3 children)
You neglected to mention these are also very rare, and actually measles improves the immune system. That is another case of medical researcherse misinterpreting their data to fit their per-conceived notions. Both the vaccine and wt measles lead to higher survival rates in at risk children.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12443670 [nih.gov]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 03 2019, @06:43PM
typo: "researchers misinterpreting their data to fit their pre-conceived [wtf is per-conceived autocorrect?] notions"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 04 2019, @01:56AM (1 child)
"Surprisingly, studies from Guinea-Bissau [10], Senegal [12], and Bangladesh [14] found that post-measles cases had lower mortality than children without measles infection."
Maybe measles killed off the weak.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 04 2019, @03:18AM
And if you continue on to the next sentence:
(Score: 1) by Sulla on Friday May 03 2019, @05:38PM (1 child)
Funny, Norway with its one case gets a worse rate than the US because of population size
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 03 2019, @05:50PM
The rates included 2018, but number of cases was only 2019.
(Score: 2) by Whoever on Friday May 03 2019, @03:24PM (1 child)
You forgot climate change deniers.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday May 03 2019, @03:47PM
I didn't think of that one.
I thought of others, but decided not to continue the list.
When trying to solve a problem don't ask who suffers from the problem, ask who profits from the problem.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Friday May 03 2019, @04:03PM (16 children)
Surely, Shirley, you realize that we are importing diseases that have been eradicated in the past? https://sma.org/illegal-immigration-and-the-threat-of-infectious-disease/ [sma.org]
Some of our members go into seizures because they don't like the sources of news. Anyone can do their own search, and choose their own sources from the results. My search term this time was "illegal immigrant disease". Unlike Google, the Duck doesn't tell me that there are fifty more hits, or fifty million more hits.
https://www.wnd.com/2014/08/diseases-carried-by-illegals-coming-to-your-town/ [wnd.com]
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Friday May 03 2019, @04:17PM (13 children)
Why do you assume that this is due to "illegal" immigration, when the legal immigration (including travellers, etc.) is much higher, and we no longer routinely quarantine incoming people? It seems an highly implausible assumption. I'll agree it's not impossible, but why choose the less likely option? And why have any degree of certainty without proof?
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 03 2019, @04:38PM (4 children)
Do you know what "traveler" means? It means you are nomadic (eg, ride the rails, backpackers, etc).
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 03 2019, @10:12PM (3 children)
Nomad. - Someone who has no fixed home and moves from place to place as a permanent way of life.
Backpacker - Someone taking an extended trip in as cheap a way as possible.
Traveller - Someone who is currently travelling or has recently travelled.
While these may be overlapping groups they are different.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 03 2019, @10:51PM
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=traveller [urbandictionary.com]
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday May 04 2019, @01:23AM (1 child)
Irish Travellers [wikipedia.org]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 04 2019, @08:07AM
Somebody need to innoculate Runaway! I fear his ignorance may be contagious, or at least Trumpf inducing.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Friday May 03 2019, @04:40PM (2 children)
Because, by definition, legal immigrants submit to checkups, get their vaccinations, and ensure that they aren't communicable when they arrive. Or, alternatively, they promise (or contract) to get all of their inoculations within x number of days after entry into the US.
Illegal aliens, on the other hand, bring whatever virus, germ, bateria, condition, and/or disease they have with them, with no intention to comply with the health requirements that legal immigrants do.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday May 03 2019, @09:08PM (1 child)
Me, the naive one lacking credibility, finds it amusing that ALL, absolutely all illegal aliens have no intention to comply with health requirements. Yet they want to come here for a better life. But they don't mind being sick.
When trying to solve a problem don't ask who suffers from the problem, ask who profits from the problem.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 03 2019, @09:16PM
All anti-vaxxers don't mind being sick either according to your logic... So what is the problem?
(Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Friday May 03 2019, @05:38PM (4 children)
Most of those evil brown countries the asylum seekers are coming from have HIGHER vaccination rates than the US. [cato.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 03 2019, @05:56PM
Yep, and it shows too!
https://i.ibb.co/TYN6HXw/measles-World.png [i.ibb.co]
Source: https://www.who.int/immunization/monitoring_surveillance/burden/vpd/surveillance_type/active/measles_monthlydata/en/ [who.int]
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 03 2019, @06:38PM (2 children)
Disclosure: I'm not American, I'm a Canuck, and often enjoy poking fun at our Southern Brethren.
However, in truth? Like most arguments American, both side's points are meaningless.
It doesn't matter if the rates of vaccination is higher, or lower in Mexico. All that matters is that all people entering the US, or any country, are vetted by that country's laws.
That includes medical, and democratically passed laws designed to enable the best outcome for the country itself. And as a Canadian, I say that with the MASSIVE numbers of immigrants I gladly see entering my nation -- but I'd never, ever, ever want them to enter if not vetted first.
Why? Why would I want people just sneaking in?
If people feel there should be "just as many immigrants, legal or not as now", then fine. Ensure the border is 100% sealed, and then up immigration numbers of LEGAL immigrants from Mexico.
What's the problem? I don't get it.
Who doesn't want people entering their country to be vetted first? Who?
And why the hell do I have to talk to a US border officer, when I drive across the border to take a vacation in the US, if people don't think there should be a wall blocking people coming in from the South?!
Why?
Why do you even HAVE borders then?
*I* *do* *not* *get* *it*
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 03 2019, @06:48PM
Don't try to make sense of it, it has nothing to do with logic or reason and everything to do with needing an excuse to be outraged about anything except the true cause of their problems (the corrupt and incompetent government that they asked for).
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 04 2019, @08:10AM
Canadian Trolls are the Worst Trolls. Like this Movie, only Canadians! [imdb.com]
(Score: 4, Interesting) by DannyB on Friday May 03 2019, @04:22PM (1 child)
An anon poster above provided some numbers. So now I have little fear that other countries may restrict visitors from the US over concerns of disease. The Scientology ship may be a unique case, and because of crazy ideas.
You introduce the topic of illegal immigrants. Whether legal or illegal, immigrants with diseases should be a concern. And if we are (as we should be) concerned with immigrants importing diseases, we maybe also should be concerned with anti-vaxers. Because . . .
Not liking certain sources of news is a distrust problem and a different topic. I quit watching CNN in 2013 because of distrust, triggered by two issues: SOPA the year prior, and Snowden that year. CNN didn't even make a pretense of objectivity.
When trying to solve a problem don't ask who suffers from the problem, ask who profits from the problem.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 03 2019, @05:31PM
This is going to get worse too. Not this year, but in the coming decade this will go to millions of cases. Possibly 30 million in a single year.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Friday May 03 2019, @04:14PM (2 children)
I don't think that n-dimensional Venn diagrams are very practical.
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday May 03 2019, @04:25PM (1 child)
They are less practical to 3 dimensional dwellers.
Of course the Venn Diagram could be done in 3D with weird enough 3D shapes. But then comprehension becomes a problem.
When trying to solve a problem don't ask who suffers from the problem, ask who profits from the problem.
(Score: 2) by Osamabobama on Friday May 03 2019, @06:34PM
You just need to section the multidimensional diagram into a series of 2D representations. Take the time to flip back and forth between (among?) them, and the comprehension will follow, although the visualization might not.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 03 2019, @06:29PM
You should ask Friday (of Heinlein fame...)
(Score: 5, Funny) by looorg on Friday May 03 2019, @03:08PM (2 children)
Who needs vaccinations when you have Dianetics. This measles thing is just some biological warfare attack from Xenu. I'm sure that one or two, very expensive, sessions with the e-meters will cure that stuff right up. It's probably just all in their minds and the e-meter is sure to realign the body thetan again and then all will be fine. After all medication and drugs are for the weak.
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Saturday May 04 2019, @05:40AM (1 child)
You jest, but this is pretty much the same mentality that other religious anti-vax people have, and there's millions of them out there.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 04 2019, @09:34AM
In other measles threads I've established there is no way to make a proper comparison between the benefits/risks of measles vs the vaccine. The response so far has been straight up denial, and when asked to link to the data one guy said he was sure it existed... I needed to go check out the microfiche collections at a bunch of libraries to find the data. The other stopped responding.
I am sure neither accepted the reality. This is religious belief.
(Score: 2) by mrpg on Friday May 03 2019, @10:25PM
What do they think about sql injections?