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posted by janrinok on Tuesday November 26 2019, @06:42PM   Printer-friendly
from the dont-pick-a-fight-with-the-GOOG dept.

CNBC reports,

Google has terminated four employees for allegedly sharing sensitive information after weeks of internal dissent related to the mistrust of leadership. At least two of the employees were at the center of recent worker protests in San Francisco.

In a memo sent to staffers on Monday, three members of Google's Security and Investigations Team wrote that the four workers were fired after investigations into their behavior concluded that they were engaged in wrongdoing.

"There's been some misinformation circulating about this investigation, both internally and externally," according to the memo, titled "Securing our data." "We want to be clear that none of these individuals were fired for simply looking at documents or calendars during the ordinary course of their work. To the contrary, our thorough investigation found the individuals were involved in systematic searches for other employees' materials and work."

Google confirmed the memo, which was first reported by Bloomberg. The company declined to comment further or confirm which individual employees were terminated. But Rebecca Rivers, who previously spoke out about Google's contracts with U.S. Customs and Border Protection, tweeted she was one of them. Last week, a group of 20 Google employees in San Francisco protested the interrogation of Rivers and another employee, Laurence Berland, who had been placed on sudden and indefinite administrative leave for allegedly sharing sensitive information.


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Google Workers Fired Amid Organization Efforts File Retaliation Complaint 51 comments

Google workers fired amid organization efforts file retaliation complaint:

Four former employees who say Google fired them in retaliation for their efforts to organize co-workers are planning legal action against the company. The workers allege the tech giant violated US labor law.

[...] The employees continued:

It's clear that [Google's] draconian, pernicious, and unlawful conduct isn't about us. It's about trying to stop all workplace organizing. Google wants to send a message to everyone: if you dare to engage in protected labor organizing, you will be punished. They count on the fear, the sadness, and the anger that we are all feeling to stop us all from exercising our rights, and to chill all attempts to hold one of the most powerful organizations in history accountable for its actions.

[...] Google denies that the employees were fired in retaliation for any organizing activity. "We dismissed four individuals who were engaged in intentional and often repeated violations of our longstanding data security policies, including systematically accessing and disseminating other employees' materials and work," a company spokesperson said in a statement. "No one has been dismissed for raising concerns or debating the company's activities."

Previously:
Google Fires Four Staffers After Protest, Accusing Them of Data Security Breaches


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Googler Says She was Fired for Telling Colleagues about Worker Rights 74 comments

Kathryn Spiers says Google terminated her after she created a browser tool to notify employees of their organizing rights.

[...] Back in September, Google reached a settlement with the NLRB over earlier alleged violations of federal labor law. Under the settlement, Google was required to post a list of employee rights in its Mountain View headquarters.

[...] So when Google hired a consulting company known for its anti-union work, Spiers wrote a notification that would appear whenever Google employees visited the firm's website. The notification stated that "Googlers have the right to participate in protected concerted activities." That's a legal term of art for worker organizing efforts. It also included a link to the worker rights notification mandated by the NLRB settlement.

[...] Two weeks later, on December 13, Spiers was fired.

[...] The complaint argues that her firing was an "attempt to quell Spiers and other employees from asserting their right to engage in concerted protected activities."

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/12/engineer-says-google-fired-her-for-browser-pop-up-about-worker-rights/

Previous stories:
https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=19/12/04/0029250
https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=19/11/26/1411249

Seems like a pattern of abuse to me. Just not necessarily by the employees.


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Trump Administration Says Employers Can Ban Organizing Via Company Email 23 comments

Employers can ban employees from using work email for personal purposes, including union organizing, the National Labor Relations Board ruled on Monday.
[...] Federal labor law protects employees' right to organize without interference from employers. That includes a limited right to engage in organizing activities in the workplace.
[...] Labor-rights advocates have long argued that this principle should extend to workplace email systems. They point out that email can be one of the most efficient ways for workers to contact one another and discuss workplace issues. And they note that the costs to employers from added email use is negligible.
[...] The latest ruling focuses on the casino operator Caesars Entertainment, which has broad policies prohibiting employees from using its email systems for personal use.
[...] The law merely requires that workers be given some reasonable means of communicating with one another, the board held. The law already protects the rights of workers to communicate via face-to-face conversations and the distribution of literature. That gives workers sufficient opportunities to communicate to satisfy the requirements of labor law, the board ruled.
[...] The board's lone Democrat, Lauren McFerran, dissented from the ruling, arguing that the majority had misinterpreted the law. She argued that property rights weren't relevant to the case because Caesars had already granted its employees access to the email system.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/12/trump-administration-says-employers-can-ban-organizing-via-company-email/

Additional Source:

Shortly after Google staffers engaged in the largest mass walkout at any tech firm in the United States, the company quietly lobbied the National Labor Relations Board in the hopes it would roll back a decision that safeguarded the only way protesters were able to organize that action as quickly as they did: email. Unfortunately, Google's hope has become a reality.

https://gizmodo.com/disastrous-nlrb-ruling-adds-another-hurdle-for-tech-wor-1840491764

Previous Stories:
https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=19/12/17/1948215
https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=19/12/04/0029250
https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=19/11/26/1411249


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  • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 26 2019, @06:50PM (19 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 26 2019, @06:50PM (#925013)

    They always turn on each other eventually, the constant victim mentality demands it.

    Btw, can you use Google to name a single person who flew or sailed around Antarctica, strange huh?

    • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Tuesday November 26 2019, @07:33PM (18 children)

      by Freeman (732) on Tuesday November 26 2019, @07:33PM (#925031) Journal

      Umm.... ? Reason for why that search would be difficult or otherwise?

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 26 2019, @07:55PM (17 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 26 2019, @07:55PM (#925044)

        So google gave you name? I doubt it. Don't you think it is strange that in 2020 nobody is being credited with that achievement?

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday November 26 2019, @08:24PM (9 children)

          by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Tuesday November 26 2019, @08:24PM (#925062)

          James Cook. It was James Cook, and Google was happy to tell me all about it.

          Richard Byrd was the first to fly over the South Pole. Google also told me about that.

          If I search the term "Flat Earth Antarctica ice wall" I do get a whole host of different results however.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 26 2019, @08:42PM (8 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 26 2019, @08:42PM (#925070)

            James Cook? Which of these look like a circumnavigation to you? https://historical-map.blogspot.com/2014/09/voyages-of-captain-cook.html [blogspot.com]

            • (Score: 3, Informative) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday November 26 2019, @09:11PM (3 children)

              by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Tuesday November 26 2019, @09:11PM (#925086)

              The green one. [blogs.bl.uk]
              Why be coy? Say what you really mean.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 26 2019, @09:33PM (2 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 26 2019, @09:33PM (#925101)

                I would say that both the green and the red look like circumnavigations, only the blue one didn't.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 27 2019, @02:30AM (1 child)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 27 2019, @02:30AM (#925209)

                  So you can circumnavigate something you never even saw? Then might as well say magellan did it.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 27 2019, @07:22AM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 27 2019, @07:22AM (#925283)

                    So you can circumnavigate something you never even saw?

                    That's often one of the intentions when circumnavigating something... ;)

            • (Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Tuesday November 26 2019, @10:42PM (3 children)

              by hemocyanin (186) on Tuesday November 26 2019, @10:42PM (#925130) Journal

              I'm not sure the point being made here either. I don't use google but I tested it with this search "person who circumnavigated antarctica".

              James Cook is the first link. Then polarcruises.com apparently has a history blurb mentioning Cook, then wikipedia's "list of antarctic expeditions", followed by wikipedia's "list of circumnavigations". Fifth is a guinessbook article about the first circumnavigation of antarctic in a sailboat by some Russian dude (I presume by sailboat they mean a little one, not one like Cook's). #6 is a link to australiageographic.com.au story about Lisa Blair, first woman to circumnavigate Antarctica. After that, a story from noaa.gov about saildrone, the first drone to circumnavigate Antarctica. The next link is also about that afformentioned drone. Then after that, Randall Reeves apparently is the first person to circumnavigate BOTH the American and Antarctic continents solo in one season. And then we are back to a James Cook link and the end of page one.

              Those results don't seem egregious to me in any way. I'm not really understanding what the AC's beef is, unless it is the lack of aviation results.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 27 2019, @03:56AM (2 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 27 2019, @03:56AM (#925237)

                Look at the map of his voyages, he wasn't even close to antarctica during these supposed circumnavigations. Sometimes not even in the same hemisphere.

                • (Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Wednesday November 27 2019, @06:21PM (1 child)

                  by hemocyanin (186) on Wednesday November 27 2019, @06:21PM (#925403) Journal

                  True or not, the histories that have been written make the claim and google is just returning what others say.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 27 2019, @07:01PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 27 2019, @07:01PM (#925418)

                    Cook never made that claim.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 26 2019, @08:26PM (6 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 26 2019, @08:26PM (#925063)

          "first circumnavigation of antarctica" returns James Cook, so what was your point again? I assume you are complaining because there was recently an autonomous circumnavigation which is in the news.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 26 2019, @08:47PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 26 2019, @08:47PM (#925076)

            This is all I found on Google: https://sites.google.com/site/jamescookvoyagemapvcw/ [google.com]

            Ddg showed me some maps of three voyages, none were circumnavigation of anything but New Zealand.

          • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 26 2019, @08:51PM (4 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 26 2019, @08:51PM (#925078)

            Is his point that us.google.com doesn't return James Cook because he is a dead white man?

            • (Score: 4, Interesting) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday November 26 2019, @09:13PM (3 children)

              by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Tuesday November 26 2019, @09:13PM (#925088)

              I suspect his point is that no-one can circumnavigate Antarctica because it is the far edge of our flat earth, but the other A/C is being a bit coy about it.

              If you feel like going down a rabbit hole, search for "flat earth ice wall".

              • (Score: 3, Redundant) by aristarchus on Wednesday November 27 2019, @12:20AM (1 child)

                by aristarchus (2645) on Wednesday November 27 2019, @12:20AM (#925176) Journal

                Threadjacking, pure and simple.

                • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 27 2019, @12:45AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 27 2019, @12:45AM (#925180)

                  Takes one to know one, eh starchy?

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 27 2019, @04:22PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 27 2019, @04:22PM (#925376)

                Tell them to go take a picture of it and show me.

  • (Score: 2, Touché) by nitehawk214 on Tuesday November 26 2019, @06:52PM (5 children)

    by nitehawk214 (1304) on Tuesday November 26 2019, @06:52PM (#925014)

    So will people decide they are anti-google or anti-union here?

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    "Don't you ever miss the days when you used to be nostalgic?" -Loiosh
    • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Tuesday November 26 2019, @07:39PM

      by Freeman (732) on Tuesday November 26 2019, @07:39PM (#925034) Journal

      'meh, I've not researched Unions enough to have a good opinion. Google on the other, is the least worst of the phone OSes, the e-mail provider of choice, and the browser I avoid like the plague. If I was slightly more paranoid, I'd be rolling my own e-mail, but I'm just not going to do that. Also, when using Android, I may as well have gmail as well. Would be nice, if Google was a bit more "do no evil" and a lot less politically correct.

      --
      Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by hemocyanin on Tuesday November 26 2019, @09:07PM (1 child)

      by hemocyanin (186) on Tuesday November 26 2019, @09:07PM (#925083) Journal

      Why not anti-google and pro-union?

      As an aside, the TFS was a bit vague, referencing only "activism" -- the linked article didn't make it clear, the word "union" isn't even in that article. The link "protested" returned a 403 forbidden error. The link "blog" however did lead to an article indicating that this was a union busting effort. It would be nice of TFSs didn't assume complete familiarity and provided a little background rather than resort to vague terms like "activism".

      • (Score: 1) by nitehawk214 on Wednesday November 27 2019, @03:22PM

        by nitehawk214 (1304) on Wednesday November 27 2019, @03:22PM (#925356)

        I am pretty sure pro-union is not an option for most of the libertarians around here.

        It is Bloomberg, so I felt that the article specifically avoided the word.

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        "Don't you ever miss the days when you used to be nostalgic?" -Loiosh
    • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Wednesday November 27 2019, @02:53PM

      by Thexalon (636) on Wednesday November 27 2019, @02:53PM (#925344)

      I'm not anti-union. I've always figured that all bottom-rung and near-bottom-rung employees have more in common with people working next to them doing a similar job than they could ever have with the suits who get paid big bucks to walk around describing how we need to reprioritize the action items to maximize synergies.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 28 2019, @03:11AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 28 2019, @03:11AM (#925530)

      How about neither? I'm just anti-SJW and think Google did the smart thing getting rid of problematic troublemakers perpetually looking to be offended. It did take them longer than I thought it would for people who are supposedly the smartest in the world but eventually they did the math and got the right answer.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 26 2019, @07:13PM (17 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 26 2019, @07:13PM (#925024)

    Google has presented a hip college-campus like atmosphere to the outside world
    and have always been paranoid security fascists on the inside

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by Mojibake Tengu on Tuesday November 26 2019, @07:40PM (1 child)

      by Mojibake Tengu (8598) on Tuesday November 26 2019, @07:40PM (#925035) Journal

      Surely you mean hypocrites, unless some of them at Google are water horses too...

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    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday November 26 2019, @07:45PM (13 children)

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday November 26 2019, @07:45PM (#925038) Homepage Journal

      Those traits aren't in conflict. College campuses are chock full of wannabe fascists nowadays. The only real differences are the brownshirts wear black and white men are the class they've chosen to declare subhuman and blame all their problems on instead of Jews.

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      My rights don't end where your fear begins.
      • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 26 2019, @08:23PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 26 2019, @08:23PM (#925061)

        So misguided. They should blame both the whities and the jews.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 26 2019, @09:09PM (11 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 26 2019, @09:09PM (#925085)

        Regarding your sig, wouldn't goth be more logical as a progenitor of emo? Not quite sure what millenials did with punk thogh.

        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday November 26 2019, @09:16PM (10 children)

          by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Tuesday November 26 2019, @09:16PM (#925090)

          Millenials did nothing with punk.

          Boomers co-opted punk and turned it into bland, corporate rock.

          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday November 26 2019, @11:42PM (6 children)

            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday November 26 2019, @11:42PM (#925162) Homepage Journal

            This is also true. Green Day.

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            My rights don't end where your fear begins.
            • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday November 27 2019, @12:54AM (5 children)

              by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Wednesday November 27 2019, @12:54AM (#925184)

              Oh gods, I was actually thinking about how the Sex Pistols wound up with no money, despite kind of, almost inventing punk. But yeah, Green Day. Blah.

              I listened to London Calling the other day, coincidentally, and I had forgotten how good it really is. Not many double albums have no weak songs,
              although you could argue that "Revolution Rock" on side four is not that great. The rest are amazing though.

              • (Score: 3, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday November 27 2019, @01:21AM (4 children)

                by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday November 27 2019, @01:21AM (#925195) Homepage Journal

                Oh gods, I was actually thinking about how the Sex Pistols wound up with no money, despite kind of, almost inventing punk.

                That actually sounds exactly how punk should be.

                I've been in more of a Misfits and Black Flag mood lately myself but, yeah, you can't go wrong with the Sex Pistols.

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                My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday November 27 2019, @02:27AM (3 children)

                  by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Wednesday November 27 2019, @02:27AM (#925205)

                  I am not really familiar with the Misfits, but Black Flag were pretty cool.

                  Don't tell anybody, but I actually think the Sex Pistols were a bit shit. As far as I can tell they wrote about 5 good songs, and none after they sacked Glenn Matlock, who might have been the only talent in the band.

                  I borrowed a Public Image LTD album off someone once, but it was just John Lydon masturbating.

                  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday November 27 2019, @02:55AM (2 children)

                    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday November 27 2019, @02:55AM (#925215) Homepage Journal

                    Punk ain't exactly supposed to be "good" though. As a general rule, the better the musicians are, the less punk the music is. The main exception I'd make there is Social Distortion. Mostly what it's supposed to be is pissed off in a way you can relate to.

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                    My rights don't end where your fear begins.
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 27 2019, @12:45AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 27 2019, @12:45AM (#925179)

            Was früher Punk war, ist heute Alt-Right [www.srf.ch].

            Oh, look, an aristarchus sub came in handy, for once. Good thing janrinok censored him!

          • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Thexalon on Wednesday November 27 2019, @03:05PM (1 child)

            by Thexalon (636) on Wednesday November 27 2019, @03:05PM (#925349)

            Boomers co-opted punk and turned it into bland, corporate rock.

            You can replace "punk" with most any genre you want: Country, grunge, alternative, hip-hop, R&B, electronica, metal, even bluegrass and folk to an extent. The suits have decided that bland, corporate rock using 4 chords [youtube.com] is what sells, and they want to maximize sales. They've never given a damn about expression, art, etc.

            The main exception is classical, and that has an entirely different set of problems, mostly because of the attempt to make it look all classy and refined with tuxes and smooth playing when Beethoven was punk as all get out and should be played that way.

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            • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday November 27 2019, @07:58PM

              by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Wednesday November 27 2019, @07:58PM (#925441)

              Quite right. I think of Taylor Swift, Beyonce and all those chart acts as producing Big Macs.

              The record companies love it, as it is the same thing every time, and they know how to sell it, but there is nothing creative about it.

    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday November 26 2019, @10:06PM

      by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Tuesday November 26 2019, @10:06PM (#925120) Journal

      Same with Apple and other big tech companies.

      https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/daughter-apple-engineer-fired-posted-video-iphone/story?id=50811044 [go.com]

      I guess with Microsoft you get "trying to be hip" instead.

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  • (Score: 2) by bradley13 on Tuesday November 26 2019, @07:43PM (2 children)

    by bradley13 (3053) on Tuesday November 26 2019, @07:43PM (#925037) Homepage Journal

    In the end, progressives compete to see who can be more progressive. Meanwhile, they forget that a company is not a democracy, and they are not in charge.

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    Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
    • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Tuesday November 26 2019, @08:44PM (1 child)

      by Freeman (732) on Tuesday November 26 2019, @08:44PM (#925072) Journal

      I'm pretty sure you meant outdoing each other, because the other meaning is something entirely different.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 27 2019, @12:09AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 27 2019, @12:09AM (#925170)

        Maybe he intentionally meant both?

  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday November 26 2019, @07:46PM

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday November 26 2019, @07:46PM (#925040)

    Employed? Signed an employment contract within the last 15 years? Read carefully, the release of any information whatsoever which makes the company look bad is a data security breach. They don't need to fire you for that, employment at will has that covered.

    Google is (and about 10,000 other employers are) large enough to have a well trained whistleblower containment legal team. Whatever protections these ex-employees might have under whistleblower laws, there are plenty of countermoves to neutralize them.

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  • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 26 2019, @07:56PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 26 2019, @07:56PM (#925046)

    Misogynerd stupidity in this comment section is TOO DAMN HIGH!

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 26 2019, @08:07PM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 26 2019, @08:07PM (#925051)

    you poke around in gov dealings too much and they might just "barret brown", or worse, "aaron swartz" your ass. fucking pigs!

    • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Tuesday November 26 2019, @08:58PM (3 children)

      by Freeman (732) on Tuesday November 26 2019, @08:58PM (#925079) Journal

      The Aaron Swartz case was tragic, but he essentially brought it about on himself. Yes, the prosecution seemed to have used very heavy handed tactics to try and coerce a confession / plea bargain. That should have been addressed, but Aaron Swartz apparently couldn't take the pressure. His story seems like it would be more of a reason to promote getting help for people considering suicide than anything else. Certainly, not promoting the scraping of entire database sets with likely intent for redistribution. While, I may disagree with Copyright laws, I still abide by them. I'd be happy to help get those laws changed, but so far our options have been quite poor when voting for President.

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      Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
      • (Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Tuesday November 26 2019, @09:12PM (2 children)

        by hemocyanin (186) on Tuesday November 26 2019, @09:12PM (#925087) Journal

        If I recall correctly, the charges carried something around a century of time. To charge him with that sort of weight was neither necessary nor moral, but to apply unnecessary immoral force is the purpose of our government. I don't blame Swartz for buckling under that load.

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by Freeman on Tuesday November 26 2019, @09:43PM

          by Freeman (732) on Tuesday November 26 2019, @09:43PM (#925107) Journal

          According to wikipedia it was up to 50 years or thereabouts, which was quite insane. Young and dumb he may have been, but he wasn't attempting murder.

          This is for convicted first degree murder:

          First degree murder convictions without aggravating factors draw a range of prison sentences. This can include life in prison, usually with an eventual possibility of parole. The range of prison sentence for this type of murder conviction varies by state and can be 25 years to life in California, or 20 to 25 years in New York, to name only two.

          https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/first-degree-murder-penalties-and-sentencing.html [findlaw.com]

          This is for attempted murder:

          First-degree attempted murder carries greater penalties and often means a life sentence with the possibility of parole. Offenders typically spend at least 10 years in prison, although mandatory minimum sentences for attempting to murder a public official may be 10 to 15 years. Federal laws for attempting to kill a member of Congress or other federal official impose penalties ranging from 70 to 162 months.

          https://www.attorneys.com/homicide/attempted-murder-charges-and-penalties [attorneys.com]

          What he attempted to do, certainly was less awful than attempted murder or actual murder. The insane # of years tacked on should be unconstitutional, if it isn't already.

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          Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 26 2019, @11:01PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 26 2019, @11:01PM (#925137)

          For what was essentially a copyright infringement case. Aaron was lazy. He should have shot somebody, he'd have gotten less time.

  • (Score: 2, Disagree) by jasassin on Tuesday November 26 2019, @09:05PM (4 children)

    by jasassin (3566) <jasassin@gmail.com> on Tuesday November 26 2019, @09:05PM (#925081) Homepage Journal

    You got a coosh job at Google and enough money to live in San Francisco, but you still gotta bitch. FUCK YOU.

    I hope they get blacklisted so bad Mcdonalds won't hire them. Then they'll wake up and smell the coffee... oh wait they can't afford their Starbucks quad long shot grande in a venti cup half calf double cupped no sleeve salted caramel mocha latte with 2 pumps of vanilla substitute 2 pumps of white chocolate mocha for mocha and substitute 2 pumps of hazelnut for toffee nut half whole milk and half breve with no whipped cream extra hot extra foam extra caramel drizzle extra salt add a scoop of vanilla bean powder with light ice well stirred.

    No sympathy whatsoever.

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    • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 26 2019, @09:47PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 26 2019, @09:47PM (#925112)

      But what if they can't afford the gender reassignment surgery they were saving up for? Oh, the tragedy...

    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Freeman on Tuesday November 26 2019, @09:47PM

      by Freeman (732) on Tuesday November 26 2019, @09:47PM (#925113) Journal

      Now I know why I don't like Starbucks. 'bah, who am I kidding, it's overpriced coffee and only people with more money than sense buy their coffee from them. Get you a can of Cappacino mix and whip you up something, it'll be better than Starbucks and 50x cheaper.

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    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday November 26 2019, @10:10PM

      by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Tuesday November 26 2019, @10:10PM (#925123) Journal

      Starbucks quad long...

      I don't think I have the patience (or rage) to write a sentence like that.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 28 2019, @07:32PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 28 2019, @07:32PM (#925742)

      I don't understand what they did to make you so angry. Even if the staffers were stupid, Google deserves to burn to the ground to begin with. We should have privacy laws so strict that companies like Google simply cease to exist.

  • (Score: 4, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 26 2019, @11:04PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 26 2019, @11:04PM (#925139)

    google having a problem with somebody aggregating other peoples data without consent.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 26 2019, @11:14PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 26 2019, @11:14PM (#925149)

      Funny and so true.

      But if I pulled that trick at my current job I would be locked out of the build by lunch.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 27 2019, @01:13AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 27 2019, @01:13AM (#925192)

        start a corporation. Then when you get caught the corporation gets fined and you can go live in bermuda.

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