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posted by martyb on Saturday August 29 2015, @10:03AM   Printer-friendly
from the forecast-looks-'cloud'y dept.

Work in just about any big office and you have almost certainly been subjected to a semi-built corporate Sharepoint site your boss or the HR department hopes you will use rather than circulating important documents via email. And if you are like most tech-savvy folks, you have found it bafflingly difficult to use.

Microsoft hopes to correct that well-deserved reputation, and is launching a preview of Sharepoint Server 2016 to raise expectations about the new product.

Microsoft says its[sic] made “deep investment in HTML5” to give you “capabilities that enable device-specific targeting of content. This helps ensure that users have access to the information they need, regardless of the screen they choose to access it on.” And your users get a consistent experience whatever device they choose to wield, including on touch-enabled devices.

A new “cloud hybrid search” will permit users wielding “SharePoint Server 2013 and Office 365 to retrieve unified search results through a combined search index in Office 365. The index for that search resides in Office 365, one of many features billed as letting you take advantage of hybrid cloud. The idea is that your on-premises SharePoint can pop the index, or other data, into Microsoft's cloud so you get the on-prem[ises] performance you want without having to bulk out your servers. But of course you do get into PAYG territory with the cloud.

That certainly qualifies as what the Register calls "Buzzword Compliant" but maybe there's true improvement there, too. Search for the expression "Sharepoint sucks" today and you'll get 209,000 hits including this one. Stick around and see if next year Microsoft turns the corner and makes Sharepoint something people find useful and effective.


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  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 29 2015, @10:07AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 29 2015, @10:07AM (#229395)

    So now it's going to be a bloated clusterfuck AND difficult to use.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by inertnet on Saturday August 29 2015, @12:11PM

      by inertnet (4071) on Saturday August 29 2015, @12:11PM (#229404) Journal

      Let's wait and see if they've 'improved' HTML5 significantly, so we can have the IE6 compatibility war all over again.

      • (Score: 2) by Common Joe on Sunday August 30 2015, @10:26AM

        by Common Joe (33) <common.joe.0101NO@SPAMgmail.com> on Sunday August 30 2015, @10:26AM (#229773) Journal

        Indeed. I'm still trying to figure out how HTML 5 helps give device-specific targeting of content.

        I'm no web developer and I know a lot is done with CSS for different devices, but the whole point of HTML is to make it device independent. The article does make it sound like IE6 all over again.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by davester666 on Saturday August 29 2015, @10:40PM

      by davester666 (155) on Saturday August 29 2015, @10:40PM (#229594)

      The patent for "a bloated clusterfuck AND difficult to use" is just running out.

      Now they've got a new patent for "a bloated clusterfuck AND difficult to use over the internet" which is good for another 20 years.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 31 2015, @02:52AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 31 2015, @02:52AM (#230019)

      ...but at least it won't use ActiveX, which at this point is being actively deprecated because Edge won't run it. I remember a blog post a full 10 years ago from Brian Hook (of Id Software fame; he left prior to Quake 3's release, but joined Oculus with his other ex-Id buddies last year): "I've been doing some ActiveX coding on the side for a couple days, stuff I'm not familiar with, and I'm just flat out _appalled_ at how bad that entire API and design is. I can make an OCX that basically formats your hard drive, stick it on a Web page with a tag, and if your security settings are set low enough, you'll start formatting your hard drive the minute you visit my Web page." (This is copied from that green site, since Brian's old blog site "Book of Hook" is dead.)

      ...or for that matter, Silverlight. Yes, that's right: at one point, Sharepoint was using Silverlight. http://blog.sharepointengine.com/2013/07/the-future-of-silverlight-in-sharepoint.html [sharepointengine.com] (...WHY?!?!?!)

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by inertnet on Saturday August 29 2015, @12:09PM

    by inertnet (4071) on Saturday August 29 2015, @12:09PM (#229403) Journal

    At first I thought Microsoft was only out to get privacy data of every private Windows 10 user on the planet, but it looks like they want access to all company data as well.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 29 2015, @04:18PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 29 2015, @04:18PM (#229445)

    Stick around and see if next year Microsoft turns the corner and makes Sharepoint something people find useful and effective.

    Sharepoint is a microsoft product. That means that it is specifically designed not to be useful and to be ineffective.

    It is not possible for microsoft to turn out a product that is useful and effective. They simply do not know how to do so.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 29 2015, @04:34PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 29 2015, @04:34PM (#229452)

      Weird that a lot of other software is even worse then.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by termigator on Saturday August 29 2015, @06:23PM

        by termigator (4271) on Saturday August 29 2015, @06:23PM (#229502)

        Not worse than Sharepoint.

        Sharepoint is a good example of the Microsoft tactic of releaseing a product that claims to provide capabilities of existing products, but it does very poorly or not at all. They do this so folks will not use/buy a different company's product, with MS knowing clueless managers would choose Microsoft regardless of technical merit ("No one gets fired for choosing Microsoft").

        When I first encountered Sharepoint at a major tech company many years ago, it was atrocious. Simple things took many clicks to perform, the interface was not intuitive; basically it was trying to do a lot of stuff, but very poorly. I was glad to get away from it.

        Years later I had to deal with Sharepoint again. I thought maybe MS finally improved things over several years, especially when alternate software has shown how to do things better. Well, nope! It is still crap, slightly better, but still crap, with MS still relying on clueless managers to make technical decisions. I had to fight to make sure IT did not dump our bug tracking system for Sharepoint. They actually had a person port bug items into Sharepoint as a proof-of-concept that Sharepoint was sufficient and there was no need for dedicated bug tracking system. Fortunately I won that battle.

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 29 2015, @06:24PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 29 2015, @06:24PM (#229503)

      Microsoft's primary customer is Microsoft. It turns out that spreadsheets, wordprocessors and operating systems are very good for selling spreadsheets, wordprocessors and operating systems.

    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 30 2015, @04:07AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 30 2015, @04:07AM (#229688)

      Trying to re-create Lotus Notes after they destroyed it? Oh Irony, thy name is Micro$oft!

  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by cellocgw on Saturday August 29 2015, @04:50PM

    by cellocgw (4190) on Saturday August 29 2015, @04:50PM (#229456)

    COnsidering how well they hid all the most useful and commonly used buttons/menu items in the last rollout, I sure doubt it.

    Ya know what I'd like in Sharepoint (aside from not having to use it at all...)

    -- Full directory tree popups so I can navigate somewhere in less than 30 clicks (or 12 parsecs)
    -- Not having to click 3 or 5 times just to check a document back in
    -- [partially not Sharepoint's fault but completely Microsoft's fault] when I click to open a document (NOT in a browser-based broken Office component), I want that document to open in the existing instance of Word or PowerPoint, not open a new instance so that the documents already open don't "know" about the one I just opened.

    Oh, and of course no ribbons. Ever.

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    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by termigator on Saturday August 29 2015, @06:27PM

      by termigator (4271) on Saturday August 29 2015, @06:27PM (#229504)

      Microsoft has little economic incentive to improve things. If you know clueless managers will still purchase licenses regardless, why spend resources on improvements when they will just cut into profits.

  • (Score: 3, Funny) by darkfeline on Saturday August 29 2015, @11:50PM

    by darkfeline (1030) on Saturday August 29 2015, @11:50PM (#229619) Homepage

    Just have IT set up an internal Drupal server or something.

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