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The brain may actively forget during dream sleep
Rapid eye movement, or REM, sleep is a fascinating period when most of our dreams are made. Now, in a study of mice, a team of Japanese and U.S. researchers show that it may also be a time when the brain actively forgets. Their results suggest that forgetting during sleep may be controlled by neurons found deep inside the brain that were previously known for making an appetite stimulating hormone. The study was funded by the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke (NINDS), part of the National Institutes of Health.
"Ever wonder why we forget many of our dreams?" said Thomas Kilduff, Ph.D., director of the Center for Neuroscience at SRI International, Menlo Park, California, and a senior author of the study published in Science. "Our results suggest that the firing of a particular group of neurons during REM sleep controls whether the brain remembers new information after a good night's sleep."
REM is one of several sleep stages the body cycles through every night. It first occurs about 90 minutes after falling asleep and is characterized by darting eyes, raised heart rates, paralyzed limbs, awakened brain waves and dreaming.
For more than a century, scientists have explored the role of sleep in storing memories. While many have shown that sleep helps the brain store new memories, others, including Francis Crick, the co-discoverer of the DNA double helix, have raised the possibility that sleep – in particular REM sleep – may be a time when the brain actively eliminates or forgets excess information. Moreover, recent studies in mice have shown that during sleep – including REM sleep – the brain selectively prunes synaptic connections made between neurons involved in certain types of learning. However, until this study, no one had shown how this might happen.
"Understanding the role of sleep in forgetting may help researchers better understand a wide range of memory-related diseases like post-traumatic stress disorder and Alzheimer's," said Janet He, Ph.D., program director, at NINDS. "This study provides the most direct evidence that REM sleep may play a role in how the brain decides which memories to store."
Izawa et al. REM sleep-active MCH neurons are involved in forgetting hippocampus-dependent memories. Science, September 20, 2019 DOI: 10.1126/science.aax9238
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 24 2019, @05:06AM
Uploading memories to Akasha is not forgetting anything, sorry for your karmic inconvenience.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday September 24 2019, @05:13AM
Sorry, I was having a REM daydream... you were sayin' what?
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(Score: 3, Interesting) by garfiejas on Tuesday September 24 2019, @08:05AM (2 children)
The role of sleep in forgetting has been suggested for a while see https://www.academia.edu/7417512/Sleep_and_synaptic_homeostasis_a_hypothesis/ [academia.edu] from 2003, but this appears to show an actual mechanism for some types of memory (direct link to the paper for those with access to AAAS https://science.sciencemag.org/content/365/6459/1308.full/ [sciencemag.org]
Interesting to note that robotic autonomous systems based on mammalian brains, if they are still learning, will also likely have to sleep (of some type tbd :-) or have systems that replicate it, in order to remain functional
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 24 2019, @12:50PM (1 child)
How's this for random and on-point at the same time?
Sleep is an interesting thing to watch.
It seem like there are two long term memory systems in play. One for awake and one for dreaming.
The awake side only gets a glimpse of the dream side when you wake up. But that's enough to see that the dreams are sometimes built on previous dreams not related to much you have seen while awake.
So the dream side feels like another long term storage system.
One thing that bugged me is that in the dream state I had trouble navigating back to a place I had been.
Then I figured out that the reason I was lost was because unlike this world, things did not stay put. No fair.
I hope they figure it out, but I'm betting on something evolutionary like a bird that can put one half to sleep while flying with the other half.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday September 24 2019, @04:01PM
Half the human population puts half their brains to sleep, while working with the other half.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 24 2019, @12:20PM (1 child)
But you probably don't know me since you don't have any negative memories of me. :(
I'm still recovering from that gunshot wound by the way, but I'm not bitter about it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 24 2019, @01:28PM
There's better/safer ways to wipe your ass than using birdshot.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 24 2019, @12:30PM (3 children)
NVRAM instead of RAM.
Anyway... I've found that I can retain memories of dreams if I rerun the memory of the dream as soon as I wake up. If I wait too long it's gone until/unless a trigger brings it back.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 24 2019, @03:35PM (2 children)
Why would you even want to? Dreams have no value outside of the memory clearing. It's like those geniuses using mind expanding drugs.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 24 2019, @05:20PM
"Sweet dreams are made of this"... You really have to ask why? It's like being on acid when you remember your dreams.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 24 2019, @10:37PM
By that logic eating, sleeping, reproducing and leisure have no value. Pleasure has no value. You know, outside of inherited Darwinian imperatives. In the end they're all just experiences and so are dreams.
(Score: 2) by darkfeline on Tuesday September 24 2019, @01:53PM (2 children)
So basically REM is very complicated stop the world GC.
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(Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday September 25 2019, @05:08PM (1 child)
I agree, and others do even before the fuck beta scission.
Consider also: absence of sleep makes people crazy, whatever function sleep is, it would be more advantageous for the brain to do it in parallel with other activities, and not offline when body becomes a target for predators and parasites. But as you know, GC is more difficult to conduct offline than online. The dream often symbolizes recent happenings, memories, emotions, fears. Deja vu, which gives you the impression of having already lived that moment, but you are not able to extract from the sensation anything certain about what is going to happen after the moment you think you are reliving, happens often to tired persons, and seems like a race condition between memorization and analysis. The ability to memorize depends on sleep and on the time of the day it is performed. One proverb, at least here in Italy, says that the night provides counseling.
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(Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday September 25 2019, @05:10PM
I meant GC offline and in batch is EASIER to conduct than incrementally and online. Ask the Java VM.
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