HBO Max Temporarily Removes ‘Gone With the Wind’ From Library
An HBO Max spokesperson says “Gone With the Wind” will eventually return to the platform with a discussion about its historical context and a denouncement of its racist depictions.
On Tuesday, HBO Max removed the 1939 film from its library in the wake of protests over the death of George Floyd.
[...] Upon its release, “Gone With the Wind” broke theater attendance records and was the highest-grossing film of all time to that point. It still holds the record when adjusted for inflation. However, despite being considered one of the greatest films of all time, some film commentators have since criticized its depiction of slavery and Black people.
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"Gone With the Wind" -- Gone from HBO Max
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday June 11 2020, @05:49PM (29 children)
China? I mean, they're doing a job on Apple
Well, this is why we need bittorrent, can't let people lock this stuff up
*rhetorical question. I read the story
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @05:59PM (28 children)
It's the boring bland grey world that SJW want.
Personally I'm fucking sick of hearing about racial inequality and all the bullshit about white privilege.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @06:15PM (12 children)
Then fight to end it. Then you won't have to hear about it any more.
Or are you advocating for the repeal of the First Amendment? How authoritarian of you!
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @06:31PM (5 children)
Then fight to end it.
No, man, don't be such a savage!
You gotta fuck to end it! Fuck the white man's women, have the white man's babies. Mix it up real good, and they won't be able to tell anybody apart.
Besides, you have to admit, Black is Beautiful!
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @07:19PM (4 children)
I know you're saying that ironically to rile folks up, *Fusty*.
But I will be glad of the day when everyone is a nice copper-brown. It will eliminate *this particular type* of bigotry.
Sadly, there will always be bigotry. Which is sad.
You know what, I'm going to go out and fuck a black girl. Then an asian one. Then a latina. Hopefully we can make some pretty brown babies!
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @11:16PM (2 children)
Same color will emininate bigotry? HAHA, is that why Africa countries are so peaceful, because everyone is the same color?
You think each african country would be celebrating once the big bad colonial whites left each country, but instead they turned on each other and slaughtered each other by the hundreds of thousands.
Capetown in South Africa became a murderous shithole after apartheid ended. I think it's still the murder capital of the world.
Rwanda? 1Million tutsies were killed in three months. 1MILLION! 1 FUCKING MILLIONS BLACKS killed by other BLACKS. That doesn't jar you? Then consider this then: it took WWII Germany six years to exterminate 6 million jews. Rwanda would have beaten Hitler's death camps in 1.5 years. So much people of the same skin color getting along.
Congo.
Sudan.
Ugunda (Idi Admin-remember him?)
Nigeria.
..and the list goes on.
PS: don't forget the friendly blacks in the US. You know, the ones that kill each other at a rate 20x higher than whites kill whites. Mostly in inner-city areas, where very few whites exist or they are in the vast minority-but you'll never hear that on CNN or MSNBC.
Ya, real peaceful friendly people.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 12 2020, @05:06PM
India where browns have been mass killing browns for centuries
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 13 2020, @03:48PM
All done with white finance
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 12 2020, @01:26PM
What happens if none of them will fuck you because of your skin color?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Nuke on Friday June 12 2020, @08:21AM (5 children)
The racial inequality that I see is against white people. Blacks are now mollycoddled. When they earn, less money for example, it is because of their own choices and negative attitudes, including as shown in these riots. Contrast that with how Asians progress. Blacks certainly don't get less sex.
(Score: 4, Touché) by Aegis on Friday June 12 2020, @02:19PM (1 child)
Yep, blacks are getting murdered left and right but the real travesty is waiting a month to watch Gone With the Wind.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 12 2020, @10:32PM
That's not correct. It's nowhere near as common as some folks would have you believe. You'd think there were roving police vans assassinating random black people that were just minding their own business.
The reason why George Floyd's killing has had such an impact is because it's not normal. The way the statistics are quoted is very misleading, most police abused of power result in much less physical injury.
We do have a problem with policing, but misrepresentations aren't helpful. The sheer size of the police agencies ensure that even if a tiny fraction of a fraction of a percent of contacts result in abuse of power, it's going to be a huge number over all.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 12 2020, @09:44PM
Get fucked you racist bag of mostly fetid water.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 13 2020, @07:56AM (1 child)
How do you know this?
Are you peeking in bedroom windows?
(Score: 2) by Nuke on Saturday June 13 2020, @10:13PM
No, just watch porn.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @06:38PM
Muh racism!
Interesting use of metaphor there since you white supremacist nazi apologists are usually arguing for less "color."
I'm glad this pains you, shows your true colors. By the way, should the baker be forced to bake the gay wedding cake?
As a liberal leftist progressive socialist I can say I was happy with the decision that they had to sell gay people cakes but did not have to write a "gay" message on the cake. Seemed like a good balance of everyone's freedoms.
I'm sure you won't be able to hold such thoughts in your little bigoted head, but no biggie nyuk nyuk.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @06:49PM (3 children)
I have yet to witness any racial inequality other than the mandatory racial profiling required for hiring positions where the job goes not to the best candidate, but to the person who *isn't* white because *racism*.
It's actually racism.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @07:35PM (1 child)
Well if you had taken the systemic racism seriously such heavy handed legislation would not have been needed. Simple fact is you were totally fine with black applicants being rejected for their race, or you were naive and simply didn't believe it was a real issue (insert meritocracy bullshit here).
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @09:57PM
Muh Forty Acres and a Mule. Did you ever read about blind CV practices [abc.net.au] and conclude they were evidence of systemic sexism?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @07:55PM
While that may be true, how many companies are hiring the "best candidate" vs hiring someone that will fit into the team and accept the pay being offered? A qualified minority candidate will probably be offered the job because of the diversity points are beneficial to the company. He may not be the best, but neither are the coworkers.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @07:33PM (3 children)
Black Americans are tired of *living* racial inequality. They've been dealing with it a lot longer than you have. It harms them a lot more than it harms you.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @11:36PM (2 children)
Black Americans are tired of *living* racial inequality.
Then maybe black Americans shouldn't riot, loot, ransack, and destroy businesses that are run by black people who are trying to make a better lives for themselves. There are dozens of videos out there by black store owners standing in front of their store screaming "Do BLM to the protestors?. Look at my store...its' destroyed..I'm black but why don't I matter?" This is stuff CNN never seems to show.
All the black leaders, the ones that have money, the celebrities should do something to fix it but never do. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan don't do shit but tell black people all their problems are due to white racism. Mayors in Baltimore have been black for over 30 years, but the poor black neighborhoods are worse off than ever! They don't even care about their own people once they get elected. Democrats don't do shit either-most black people vote for them for what they did 70 years ago but haven't done much since to help black people.
Black lives do matter, but not so much to blacks.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 12 2020, @12:25AM
Correct, but the rioters in our city destroying police cars and whatnot were lily-white, freshly escaped from their wealthy suburban parents' basement.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Thexalon on Friday June 12 2020, @01:25PM
I don't know which of the protests you attended, but the people doing the vast majority of the violence and vandalism, at least in my area, were cops. And in places where the instigators of the violence has been identified, the person in question has been white, and sometimes a white person who was part of a white supremacist group. There have been also rumors of undercover cops trying to turn protests into riots, as part of a long-standing "agents provocateur" tactic.
Also, white people will riot for some of the dumbest reasons imaginable: "Our favorite sports team won." "Our favorite sports team lost." A lily-white crowd started a riot at a local pumpkin festival [youtube.com]. And yet for some reason you aren't blaming that for white people's lot in life.
And I could rewrite your second-to-last paragraph like this and be just as true:
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All the white leaders, the ones that have money, the celebrities should do something to fix it but never do. Mitch McConnell, Jim Walton, and Tucker Carlson don't do shit but tell white people all their problems are due to black people. Sheriffs in rural Mississippi have been white for over 30 years, but the poor white neighborhoods are worse off than ever! They don't even care about their own people once they get elected. Republicans don't do shit either-most white people vote for them for what they did 70 years ago but haven't done much since to help white people.
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And yet for some reason, every time a white guy shoots up a country music concert or a church or a public school, you don't have people on TV saying "Where are the leaders of the white community? Why aren't they condemning this white-on-white violence? Why aren't they putting a stop to the massive crime problem among white people?"
"Think of how stupid the average person is. Then realize half of 'em are stupider than that." - George Carlin
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Thursday June 11 2020, @08:01PM (5 children)
"It's all white people's fault" is the new, acceptable variant of anti-Semitism or the Yellow Peril.
America is, however, still 73% white. What happens when they get tired of the white-hate?
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @08:30PM (1 child)
Don't worry, it won't last long, nothing but some more unmarked people in riot gear doling out beatings and pepper spray can't handle. You can go back to your bunker and wait it out. We just need to throw those dark skins a bone here and there and they'll let us real Americans get back to running things.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @08:51PM
Th3 W@11
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @09:02PM
They re-elect Trump, and possibly turn over control of the House too.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @10:55PM
Are those pearls you're clutching to or did you just go to the wrong truck stop?
(Score: 2) by legont on Friday June 12 2020, @03:17AM
That's easy. Blacks alredy invited Hispanics and Asians to the "revolution". At some point Caucasians will join in as well and the happy family once again will try to exterminate Jews and Indians - not American Indians, mind you, but gypsie kind.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @05:55PM
It remains the highest grossing movie of all times, adjusted to inflation.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @05:57PM (35 children)
Someone is working overtime to memory hole everything racist.
I guess we shouldn't have any kind of history as it will always be judged harshly by modern standards.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @06:02PM (4 children)
Judging by how everyone with a public face is paying lip service to wokeness right now, I think they're doing it to avoid looters attacking their physical properties. After all, the police aren't going to risk their necks to intervene against armed masses.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @06:10PM
Nah, it's a combination of trying to stay relevant and exploiting opportunity. All the properties are insured, and with the impending realestate disaster that will come from this, they will prefer to have it burned down at current value.
Of course we are not far away from time where NOT paying lip service will brand you a racist and turn the purists onto you. The purity spiral is strong with this movement.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @06:11PM
Yeah! All those HBO Max stores (?!?) are at huge risk of being looted and burned. Please.
Especially since you can still buy it at Best Buy, Walmart and Target:
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/gone-with-the-wind-70th-anniversary-edition-2-discs-dvd-1939/9321646.p?skuId=9321646 [bestbuy.com]
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Gone-with-The-Wind-2-Disc-Special-Edition-DVD/12329525 [walmart.com]
https://www.target.com/p/gone-with-the-wind-70th-anniversary-edition-2-discs/-/A-11643559 [target.com]
What's more, you can buy *and* stream it at Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/Gone-Wind-Two-Disc-Clark-Gable/dp/B000BYA4LA [amazon.com]
What was that you were saying? Not anything reflecting reality apparently.
Yep. They don't seem to be willing to do so. [npr.org]
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @07:11PM (1 child)
The looters don't give a shit about who they're looting. They're not doing it for political ends, but for selfish ends. This [youtube.com] clip from the 1992 LA Riots is one of the most powerful I've seen. Hate to use that word, but how else can you define it? And it really sums up the reality of what looting invariably turns into.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @09:16PM
Frankly the looters don't give a damn.
FTFY
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @06:12PM (9 children)
And doing a bang up job too! Not.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/gone-with-the-wind-70th-anniversary-edition-2-discs-dvd-1939/9321646.p?skuId=9321646 [bestbuy.com] [bestbuy.com]
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Gone-with-The-Wind-2-Disc-Special-Edition-DVD/12329525 [walmart.com] [walmart.com]
https://www.target.com/p/gone-with-the-wind-70th-anniversary-edition-2-discs/-/A-11643559 [target.com] [target.com]
https://www.amazon.com/Gone-Wind-Two-Disc-Clark-Gable/dp/B000BYA4LA [amazon.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @06:28PM (8 children)
You can still find it, but a whole generation or two is learning to use streaming services and not ever touch another optical disc.
(Score: 1) by hemocyanin on Thursday June 11 2020, @06:53PM (7 children)
I hail from before the days of Beta, though finally I did get VHS, and even I haven't touched a disc in ... I don't know how long. I do still have a DVD player (in a storage box). Honestly, if it doesn't stream, it's easier to just find something else to watch. So yeah, I agree: the fact that you can get a disc at the Goodwill or something doesn't really speak to the widespread availability of the movie, and especially doesn't speak to the way most people decide to watch something, even old farts who remember discs and tapes, which is by stumbling on it while browsing online.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday June 11 2020, @07:18PM (6 children)
fuck beta
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @07:38PM (5 children)
Hmm, makes me think u really unt machine,type,respondent ^programmedto respond to spcfic phrases. Hemocyanin wasn't talkinbout the dotdays.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @07:58PM (1 child)
fuck beta... Max
(Score: 2) by Bot on Friday June 12 2020, @12:40PM
V for VHS (V+IHS if you know about the Fawkes guy)
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(Score: 2) by Bot on Friday June 12 2020, @12:38PM (2 children)
Can you elaborate on that?
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(Score: 2) by takyon on Friday June 12 2020, @12:44PM (1 child)
How does that make you feel?
[SIG] 10/28/2017: Soylent Upgrade v14 [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by Bot on Friday June 12 2020, @12:46PM
Please respect the turns.
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(Score: 5, Interesting) by tizan on Thursday June 11 2020, @06:23PM (7 children)
I don't think so...
Just like if there were a movie glorifying eating caca made before the days bacteria was known....I am sure you'll have to publish today it with a big note how eating excrement is known to be detrimental to health. This is not erasing history ...this is making sure people understand from where it is coming...as you know some will gargle with clorox just because it was mentioned once.
Similarly if you are going to depict people as loving the being the people who keeps them enslaved in the days when slaves was considered on par with cattle in the law....i suspect you have to qualify that no human is considered as cattle in the law even though KKK, for e.g, believes that.
Let's put it...this is to make sure the clorox drinkers don't also think some humans are more equal than other humans because the slaves of Vivian Leigh loved her and they liked their status as slaves and continued to be her slaves !
(Score: 2, Informative) by FatPhil on Thursday June 11 2020, @06:38PM (5 children)
Bollocks. Or only in a really really stupid nanny-state with a really really stupid population.
E.g. /Reefer Madness/ is available with no disclaimers or warnings at all about how its payload is complete garbage in sane countries, in fact it's a "classic": https://www.amazon.ca/Reefer-Madness-DVD/dp/6305066795
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2) by tizan on Thursday June 11 2020, @06:50PM (4 children)
> Bollocks. Or only in a really really stupid nanny-state with a really really stupid population.
Really .... so the "donot drink" on clorox bottle is nanny state ? You must live in a country with 100% educated populace (I mean educated not schooled.) who knows of the dangers of the oxidative power of halogens.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday June 11 2020, @11:48PM (2 children)
Well, yes. They may even know the difference between a halogen and the hypochlorite ion [wikipedia.org] (grin)
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfSteveKeen https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Bot on Friday June 12 2020, @12:50PM (1 child)
Don't be hypochloritical.
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(Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday June 12 2020, @02:29PM
Well, no, I'm no, just a bit perchloratical.
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfSteveKeen https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Friday June 12 2020, @02:16PM
But yes, I am lucky in having most recently lived in countries where the chilren are worldproofed adequately, and instilled with superabilities like common sense, risk evaluation, and logical thought. For example, I used to live near a school which didn't have a proper school yard - at break times the kids would *go outside and play on the rocks*. And they're now doing just fine. Unlike people of the same age in the country responsible for (a) Gone with the Wind; and (b) banning Gone with the Wind.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @07:25PM
Tell that to these folks [motherless.com] [NSFW -- no. Really. NSFW. Probably not safe for home either. Well, unless you're into that sort of thing.]. I'm pretty sure *every single one* was made after we had knowledge of bacteria.
As such, that's a terrible analogy. You can do better. I know you can.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by FatPhil on Thursday June 11 2020, @06:29PM
Oh, this wasn't the statue-wrecking or street-renaming story, and no mentions of films at all in that, so I'm waaaay O/T, sorry.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @06:30PM (9 children)
Oh noes muh HBOs!
Let me know when legislation is passed banning the sale or viewing of the movie. Until then, SUCK IT YOU HYPORCRITICAL COCK WOMBLE :D XOXOXO :D
(Score: 1) by hemocyanin on Thursday June 11 2020, @06:55PM (8 children)
Democrats. Example above. Such the freedom lovers.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @07:27PM
Are you making the argument that the folks at HBO should be *required* to stream specific media?
How very authoritarian of you. I applaud your dedication!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @07:40PM (6 children)
Typical low energy republican response, maybe you should ask Trump for some of his best words to help you with your critical thinking training.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Thursday June 11 2020, @08:04PM (1 child)
hemocyanin is not a Republican. He's a progressive who realized what the Left has become.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @11:13PM
Ok boomer
(Score: 1) by hemocyanin on Thursday June 11 2020, @11:27PM (3 children)
I'm not a republican. I'm pissed-at-the-whole-fucking-lot-of-emian.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday June 11 2020, @11:55PM (2 children)
Stop being pissed-at-bohemians, mate
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfSteveKeen https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1) by hemocyanin on Friday June 12 2020, @06:05AM (1 child)
Bohemians don't censor and bohemians are definitely in the target of the regressive left.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 12 2020, @06:16AM
Yet, spell with me, they are bohemians
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 12 2020, @01:58AM
I went shopping yesterday. My favorite coffee had been removed from the shelves and replaced with something else. It is still available at their online store. https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/44917/negrita-ground-coffee-turkish-dark-roast [woolworths.com.au]
(Score: 3, Interesting) by istartedi on Thursday June 11 2020, @05:58PM (1 child)
Remember when they used to show this movie when we only had a hand full of channels? Maybe they'd show it once a year, like the Wizard of Oz. The big deal was that they actually said "damn" and didn't edit it. Of course your parents had either sent you to bed, or you had long since lost interest because most of the action takes place before the intermission.
Now what was really crazy is that I used to go through the TV guide, and they always printed the year a movie was released. I wondered what the oldest movie was. There was one that was way older than the others and it wasn't this one. It was Birth of a Nation. Yes. They broadcast that, but only well after midnight. Who was staying up past midnight in the late 1970s/early 80s to watch that?
My curiosity at that point wasn't so great. It was worthwhile to stay up late and risk getting caught for Letterman, but not some old silent movie. Later in college, I attended a screening of Birth of a Nation with a "panel discussion afterwords". The film itself is just somewhat memorable, but the discussion takes the prize.
There was a girl in the audience who asked the panel "Were those actual Civil War battle scenes?". It had never occurred to me that somebody could arrive at college without knowing that moving pictures came well after the Civil War. I had to bite my lip for the rest of the discussion to keep from laughing.
Appended to the end of comments you post. Max: 120 chars.
(Score: 2) by deadstick on Thursday June 11 2020, @06:36PM
Yeah, I remember, being an old fart and all that. The "damn" wasn't the only problem television had with it.
There's a scene where Scarlett and Rhett have a yelling argument in the mansion; he gets fed up; grabs her around the waist; slings her over his shoulder and climbs the spiral staircase two steps at a time. Fade out, fade in to Scarlett waking up in her palatial bed and stretching with a big shit-eating grin while Mammy glares disapprovingly.
The networks would insert a commercial in that fade to break the continuity.
(Score: 2) by bussdriver on Thursday June 11 2020, @06:09PM (1 child)
P.C. Babies will find something else to cry over before too long and then it can just return again. Maybe with a disclaimer which should simply say the YEAR a movie was made for people who can't tell it is old. But more likely it'll be the P.C. Baby level description like "Sharp objects may harm your child." Because we must live in a world where everything is idiot proofed or you get sued or boycotted.
That said, I won't support anybody using a confederate flag or a nazi flag and that is my choice... I am fine with them self identifying to help me in my opposition.
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @06:17PM
Except it has nowhere to return *from*. It's still *widely available*:
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/gone-with-the-wind-70th-anniversary-edition-2-discs-dvd-1939/9321646.p?skuId=9321646 [bestbuy.com] [bestbuy.com] [bestbuy.com]
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Gone-with-The-Wind-2-Disc-Special-Edition-DVD/12329525 [walmart.com] [walmart.com] [walmart.com]
https://www.target.com/p/gone-with-the-wind-70th-anniversary-edition-2-discs/-/A-11643559 [target.com] [target.com] [target.com]
https://www.amazon.com/Gone-Wind-Two-Disc-Clark-Gable/dp/B000BYA4LA [amazon.com] [amazon.com]
(Score: 4, Touché) by Snort on Thursday June 11 2020, @06:11PM (7 children)
Outrage Archaeology. Digging for any past event of any current transgression.
This is a great leap forward in social progress.
(Score: 3, Funny) by FatPhil on Thursday June 11 2020, @06:50PM
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Thursday June 11 2020, @08:11PM (5 children)
It's the Cultural Revolution, and these are the Red Guards. They have already been forcing people in positions of authority to begin self-criticisms [wikipedia.org]. Now they're toppling statues and defacing monuments that celebrated the "Four Olds" [wikipedia.org]. Next they're going to break into the Met in NYC and burn the paintings that have objectionable content and smash objects such as statues of naked men with penises, because it offends transgenders.
This, Ladies and Gentlemen, is what barbarism looks like.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @08:54PM (2 children)
Actually, it sounds an AWFUL lot like Conservative Republicanism to me. All the penises have been covered up LONG before, so as to not offend Republican sensitivities. Remember John Boehner covering up Lady Liberty in the Department of Justice because she had the temerity to bare her breast? Oh, speaking of breasts, remember when a nipple accidentally was exposed during a live TV program? All those Republican Congressional hearings! And an outraged FCC! OMG!
The ONLY difference here is that you suddenly feel uncomfortable because you feel like you are on the other side, so you are the poor oppressed one, you poor little Boo.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @10:13PM
As the culture changed, the personalities who would have been previously been socially conservative became leftists and the SJW crap is their new orthodoxy. Commentors here are frequently labeled Republican, Conservative, Fascist or Nazi when they're clearly displaced liberals.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 12 2020, @02:21AM
Actually, I don't, because it was John Ashcroft, the AG, [bbc.co.uk] who did that. He was doing a TV press conference live at the Dept. and did not want there to be two boobs on the Tele at the same time.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @11:15PM (1 child)
Wooooow
You've graduated from Boomer to Senile. Someone call animal control, the cops will probably end up killing the poor thing.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 12 2020, @01:34AM
Are you kidding? They'd hear his ranting, hand him a billy club, and bring him downtown to join in beating down peaceful protestors.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @06:14PM (9 children)
The day after HBO announced this, according to news reports, at Amazon Gone with the Wind in its various formats sits in 9 of the top 50 spots in current bestselling movies.
I just went to Amazon and looked at that top 50 list. There's also Blazing Saddles, North and South (the old TV mini-series), the Wizard of Oz, and even a Harry Potter movies collection (the left is going after JK Rowling for various "reasons").
Looks like many people are trying to get things they like before cancel culture claims them.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @06:33PM (8 children)
"before cancel culture claims them"
lol, better check your closets and under the bed tonight, I hear dem socialists are doing hits on anyone who dares argue with Emperor Trump Der Wokenfuhrer.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @06:59PM (2 children)
^gaslighting. "Nothing to see here, folks!"
(Score: 2) by Acabatag on Thursday June 11 2020, @07:20PM (1 child)
Using the term 'gaslighting' is one of the wokes' dog whistles.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @07:42PM
Yiissss, fight each my magorons yisssssss
By the power vested in me I pronounce you tweedle dee and tweedle dumb.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by hemocyanin on Thursday June 11 2020, @07:04PM (4 children)
You are just a troll but in my lifetime, we went from a culture tainted by born again true believers sanctimoniously pushing an agenda of shunning, censorship, nonScience, and prudishness, to culture tainted by woke true believers sanctimoniously pushing an agenda of cancellation, censorship, nonScience, and prudishness. Nothing has changed except the gods. Nor has the effect changed. As always, authoritarians suck and make the world a dimmer poorer place.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday June 11 2020, @07:20PM
You know that steel wire that won't break? what do you do in such a case? bend to one side, bend to the other side, back to the one side, until it breaks. You are the wire.
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(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @10:21PM (2 children)
I've no idea why this still has to be hammered home to people. Political flip as I stated above [soylentnews.org] and have been trying to explain to people since 2015.
From last year, it's all of this [twitter.com]
(Score: 1) by hemocyanin on Thursday June 11 2020, @11:32PM (1 child)
I recently finished Bret Easton Ellis' book "White" (audiobook format) and it was a most incredible rant. I'd be driving along listening and just blurt out "YES" so many times -- absolutely loved it. Anyway, fun book (except for those in the McResistance).
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 12 2020, @12:24AM
On a camping holiday with 2 girls in the tent next to me, one night I got to a chapter in a book I was reading called "Child Killing at the Zoo" and had to bury my face in my pillow to mute my laughter in case they heard and asked me what I was laughing at. I told a friend about it and word got back to the girls who'd both read American Psycho and thought it was funny too. Nice girls I recall, 20 minutes solid crying into my pillow and they couldn't have given shit.
I'll check this one out.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by dltaylor on Thursday June 11 2020, @06:22PM (26 children)
"Gone with the Wind" is a product of its time, just like the U.S. Constitution, which, until amended, specifically endorsed slavery; the words are still in there. It is an important part of film history (although I prefer "Song of the South" as an object lesson). Yes, parts of it make me wince, but much less than "n****r" and/or "n***a" as every third word in what passes for music in some circles.
This is like "1984", where we are revising history, rather than acknowledge the truth that the past has high and low points, often in the same event. The current protests, assuming that they are not entirely swept under the rug, must be recognized as being both a potential moment of growth for the U.S. "white" population and a moment of stupidity, hatred, and greed in the actions of the firebombers and looters. It will be instructive to see which of those is longer remembered
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday June 11 2020, @06:41PM
specifically endorsed slavery
Still does...
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 4, Interesting) by wisnoskij on Thursday June 11 2020, @06:44PM (1 child)
The strange thing is that the films these guys go after are always the pro-black propaganda.
The Sound of the South, GwtW are films specifically designed to ease racial tensions, and make people feel good about black people.
Here is the opening criticism on wikipedia.
The same could be said about tSotS. These are stereotypes pushed on America with the explicit purpose of forcing white people to like, trust, and be willing to live beside black people. Who truly believes that we have moved past needing these positive black stereotypes to create a functioning society?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 12 2020, @01:41AM
I can't respond to the idea it was explicitly forced on us for a purpose. Honestly, this seems like an attempt by many sides to retcon history for their purposes. Your idea though it helped normalize black people, and make people willing to live besides black people, and whether we still need it is interesting.
Last night I watched it again. I have everything Disney ever produced in their original formats. Got it off the dark web some years ago to preserve history for one, and to be able to show the young children today some truly wonderful cartoons from their Golden Age. For an awful lot of people, across multiple generations, Disney movies and cartoons were influential in general. Combined with Looney Tunes, other cartoon properties, and the 80's Saturday morning cartoons, generations of children were raised and influenced by the TV. Although, the 1st Disney generation had the distinction of seeing them on the big screen first. A ton of kids packed into theaters in the 30's, 40's and 50's seeing Disney cartoons, and the Song Of The South.
I believe I was influenced positively by black portrayals on TV, and positive ones. Dr. Huxtable, Mr. T, Uhura, La Forge, all helped influence me along with Uncle Remus. As a child though, you didn't really care about the live action parts. Some of that was confusing, and I can see how it can be interpreted differently by people. For me, I saw friendship between the children, and the inequities aren't something that children readily understand. Uncle Remus in general was played by a wonderful actor. The warmth and empathy he had, and the way he looked after the kid was very nice to see on the screen. One could understand how children would see Uncle Remus quite favorably, and I can believe that such experiences did influence me to not see black men with fear. That's *before* we even get to the animated elements. Those scenes are by far some of my favorite. Briar Rabbit outwitting Briar Bear and Briar Fox is hilarious, and Uncle Remus delivers the whole thing with excellent storytelling, and Roger Rabbit-like integration with the animation. The Zipp-dee-doo-dah song is the just gasoline on the fire so to speak.
As a child I did not see the negative elements, it didn't occur to me. Whether it subtly enforced racism in me I found doubtful, and those parts I believe were just over my head. In an innocent viewing of those parts of the movie (just Uncle Remus and the boy), it's actually quite wonderful. Thinking about it now, perhaps I tend to lend old black men the benefit of the doubt, that they're more Uncle Remus's than men to fear. Although, I really want to see people embodying their more positive potentials than negative ones.
Do we still need them? Need what though? Only objection I can think of with Uncle Remus (isolated on his own) is that he is portrayed as poor, a slave without outright stating it, and a patois possibly negatively associated with ebonics. It was appropriate for the time period though, and as a child I even understood this was something that happened over a long time ago. It wasn't a negative because I just accepted him for who he was without judgement, and why not? Watch it again if you have a chance. Uncle Remus is just pretty awesome, but perhaps not appropriate for contemporary audiences. At least not without a parent explaining the context that this was a long time ago and that people got better.
We don't really need anything. There doesn't need to be an education, or some sort of mental preparation. A YouTube video of smiling black people interacting postively with white people? :) We need to steadily advertise this in a new brand awareness campaign for black people stat.
All we need to do is treat each normally. If all our sitcoms and creations show us treating each other equally from the start, it won't occur to us that we need to explicitly teach our children to not fear black people. Which the opposite would help too, and that's not pushing stuff designed to teach people to fear black people. So get rid of Tucker and Fox News :) So while Uncle Remus I'm sure did influence how I see older black men via a positive stereotype, it was also a lifetime living next to black people and finding the whole thing a big nothingburger that influenced me too. Talk about luck or something, but I've never had the feared stereotypical violent interaction with black men. The worst stereotype I've had is probably assuming more black people smoke weed than white people do and assuming some dude is holding just because.
Which brings up diversity and that whole alt-right nutjobbery. That's hilarious to me, because in my average every day life I've been exposed to a very diverse group of people constantly. You know what is fucking strange man? Watching a TV show with all white people that isn't set in Norway, or back in Viking times. The world is diverse, and people are generally nice and kind to each other.
Perhaps, just show the truth more.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday June 11 2020, @06:46PM (4 children)
I'm glad someone beat me to mentioning Disney's "Song of the South". The movie Disney has tried to disappear for years. One of the biggest problems is that movie is the origin of one of Disney's most popular songs "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah". [youtube.com]
That song is featured in theme park live parades till
this very daythe age of covid-19.Another interesting thing is that the 1940 Pinocchio cartoon film openly uses the word "jackass". A word that I don't use. Until recently. And only in reference to Trump. It's what his middle initial J must stand for.
(I only use the seven basic curse words: Fiddle, Foodle, Diddle, Doodle, Piddle, Foo and Sticks. I use them in combination with possible prefixes and suffixes. And I use them a lot. Lilke: Oh . . . . Diddley Foo! And with an extended Fffff sound . . . Oh Fffffffiddle sticks! And this is serious, not sarcastic.)
Why is it so difficult to break a heroine addiction?
(Score: 2) by gtomorrow on Thursday June 11 2020, @06:57PM (2 children)
You're a strange bird, Danny B.
BTW, didn't you get the memo? [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday June 11 2020, @07:17PM (1 child)
There is hydrocodone. Which is cheaper and better than cannabis products.
Maybe it isn't the word you say so much as how intensely and sincerely you say it. And maybe how frequently. I definitely do not shy away from using my curse words. Well, maybe I do avoid them somewhat.
Once, and yes it actually was at a Disney World resort, I mentioned the seven basic curse words thing (above) to my wife and daughter, and they laughed hysterically for nearly an hour -- because they knew it was true.
Why is it so difficult to break a heroine addiction?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @10:15PM
Sure, if you can find a doctor willing to give you a prescription. Yes, I'm fucking bitter.
Why don't the rioters burn down DEA buildings?
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @09:29PM
I read that in the voice of Tigger.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @06:53PM (13 children)
Whites aren't growing from this experience. All they see is a bunch of folks using 1 mans death to riot and loot and take and do whatever they want. It's not the *whites* that need to grow from this - it's the people causing chaos and damage. Fight me on this - you'll lose on principle.
(Score: 2) by gtomorrow on Thursday June 11 2020, @07:01PM
Ah. Hey, thanks for straightening us all out on the topic, anonymous coward.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Bot on Thursday June 11 2020, @07:26PM (8 children)
As an italo, I don't see why I should kneel for mr snuffed by police when nobody kneeled when a boy was raped 200 mt from my house by islamic immigrants, when a 16 year old girl overdosed thanks to a nigerian in the train station 400mt and when before killing an italian white girl a black guy messaged something like 'gtg i have a white girl to rape'. If our lives don't matter why should yours.
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(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @07:45PM (7 children)
One is a crime that is terrible and should be punished, the other is a systemic problem that all of society needs to address and punish the criminals given cover of law.
You are conflating your bigotry with real issues, try again.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @08:26PM (1 child)
According to what you just said, you need to be punished and reeducated.
It's a systemic problem. What's that? YOU'RE not part of the problem? Sounds like sonebody is in denial. It's not about an individual's actions; it's about an ENTIRE race being guilty. Just by looking at your skin, I will tell you if you are guilty of racism or not.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 12 2020, @02:08AM
I understand the twist you're trying to play, but since it fails basic reading comprehension it just makes you look stupid for trying to shoehorn it in.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Friday June 12 2020, @12:54PM (4 children)
Islam is not a systemic problem?
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 12 2020, @03:42PM (3 children)
You're right, Islam is is trying hard to catch up to Catholicism. Thanks, maybe we should place them both on the terror watch lists.
(Score: 2) by PocketSizeSUn on Friday June 12 2020, @04:27PM (2 children)
Remind me again. Which one is running the slave market in Libya?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 12 2020, @06:06PM
Christianity is a religion /for/ slaves. It's very authority-friendly. (Render undo Caesar, turn the other cheek, etc.)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 12 2020, @09:48PM
Funny how this is a topic about how Christians used to be massive slave owners and some people are just so bent out of shape that Amazon dropped the movie from their catalog.
Irony thy name be PocketSizeStupid. Corrected that weird SUn typo, you're welcome.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @07:48PM (2 children)
Translation: sit back and know your place.
Great logic you've got there, as usual another idiot who can't tell the difference between peaceful protests and criminal rioters. Not to mention criminal police assaulting innocent people, that is gonna require more brain than the above AC has to stretch.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @07:57PM (1 child)
STOP SPREADING YOUR CORONAVIRUS
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 12 2020, @09:51PM
5G mast pole up the arse for you! If you're real nice I'll ask Billy Gates to turn off your tracking chip.
(Score: 2, Informative) by slashnot on Thursday June 11 2020, @09:09PM (2 children)
So, I guess showing my kids The Song of the South on Disney+ anytime soon is out of the question? Fortunately, there are some organizations dedicated to preserving history [archive.org] (for now).
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 13 2020, @08:08PM (1 child)
It's rather telling what does and does not receive a scarlet letter for being racist. One of my friends insists that the second Indiana Jones movie is a terrible film due to racism. The only problem is that it's the least racist of the 4 films and ultimately, the cult is portrayed as being abhorrent by local standards, not something that's going on by a bunch of ignorant dark-skinned fellows. As opposed to the other films where they spend a bunch of time beating up on Nazis and Russians where none of them is capable of bucking the trend as opposed to those smart Indians that had to be drugged and had spells cast on them to engage in horrible things.
If we look hard enough, there's always going to be something problematic in media. Adding context is a great solution, but at the end of the day, nobody would watch films or TV which slavishly avoided every possible stereotype. It would be boring and require an astonishing amount of exposition.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 14 2020, @11:00AM
Spends all 4 movies stealing ethnic treasures only to put them in American/White museums(except for the grail), usually for some kind of reward or favor. He's literally the white man pilfering other ethnicities historical treasures. If you want to consider one of the most horrible movie series of all time, this is right there behind the prequel trilogy and massacring a bunch of children.
George Lucas deserves to have all his cinematic awards stripped from him, his Museum named something else, and to be banished from Disney's board as an embarassment to American Society.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 12 2020, @02:15PM
If they don't revise history, then people will realize how petty and childish some of their demands are. Acknowledging that Russians weren't allowed to visit large swathes of America back in the '50s , that Germans and Italians were sent to American concentration camps along with the Japanese or the fact that in many areas the Irish were less desirable than blacks would undercut their demands that things be solved for them without their having to make similar sacrifices.
And that's a brief list, the full list would be a very, very long read. By poorly teaching history, it gives people a false sense of how we got where we are today. For nearly the entire history of this country White wasn't really a thing the way it is now. It was regularly adjusted over the years, but early on, you had to be pretty light in skin color to be considered White. The only privileges in America come from wealth and connection.