Justice Department accuses Facebook of discriminating against U.S. workers:
The Justice Department said that Facebook had "refused" to recruit, consider or hire qualified U.S. workers for more than 2,600 jobs that in many cases paid an average salary of $156,000 a year.
Instead, it opted to fill the positions using temporary visa holders, such as those with H-1B visas, the department added.
"Facebook intentionally created a hiring system in which it denied qualified U.S. workers a fair opportunity to learn about and apply for jobs," the Justice Department said. The social media company instead sought to channel such jobs to temporary visa holders it wanted to sponsor for green cards or permanent residency, it added.
Company spokesman Daniel Roberts said: "Facebook has been cooperating with the DOJ in its review of this issue and while we dispute the allegations in the complaint, we cannot comment further on pending litigation."
H-1B visas are often used by the technology sector to bring highly skilled foreign guest workers to the United States. But critics say the laws governing these visas are lax, and make it too easy to replace U.S. workers with cheaper, foreign labor.
Also at:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/dec/03/facebook-h1b-visa-jobs-trump-department-of-justice
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/12/03/facebook-doj-immigration-lawsuit/
https://www.engadget.com/justice-department-sues-facebook-h1b-visas-205126525.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-doj-suing-facebook-hiring-foreign-workers-h1b-2020-12
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/doj-sues-facebook-discriminating-against-us-workers-reserving-jobs-h1-b-workers
https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2020/12/3/trump-administration-accuses-facebook-of-exploiting-h1-b-visas
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-files-lawsuit-against-facebook-discriminating-against-us-workers
(Score: 4, Interesting) by bzipitidoo on Friday December 04 2020, @10:53AM (6 children)
H1B abuse has been going on for decades now. I wonder at corporations for having let HR grow into such a beast of its own fiefdom within every large company. The rise of Catbert.
It's almost like HR weenies in different companies collude with one another. They really do, at a Nash level, if not consciously and deliberately. All jump on the latest fad in employee management and hiring.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 04 2020, @11:45AM (3 children)
Hopefully this is one of the things Biden follows suit with Trump on though I somewhat doubt it. Let's see.
We need to hire U.S. employees so that U.S. citizens can be the ones with the skills. Instead we try to hire cheaper foreign labor and that creates a mentorship gap where U.S. citizens are not as skilled due to a lack of experience thanks to not being hired because companies found cheaper labor abroad.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 04 2020, @06:50PM
And then entire university depts are staffed by Chinese men with all their lovely authoritarian academic practices. I feel bad for the Americans kids that don't know what hit them when they get on a grad program in one of these places.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 04 2020, @07:30PM (1 child)
This was one area I agreed, at least in part, with Trump.
H1B abuse was bad, and rampant.
I would have suggested that H1Bs should have had more freedom to switch companies rather than being indentured to the one that brought them over, rather than just strictly limiting the numbers personally, because the first makes them able to negotiate for higher prices (which is in keeping with the purpose of H1B, as a way to get expertise that you can't get locally, which should be expensive), the other just makes them rarer.
Maybe both is the right option, I don't know.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 05 2020, @03:08PM
I think you want some manner of limitation to prevent salaries from falling due to saturation. We should aim for sponsored permanent immigration being cheaper for employers than temporary H1Bs, to incentivize long-term investments in employees.
(Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Friday December 04 2020, @04:11PM
If the allegations are true it's a clear violation of the H1B visa rules. Those visas are only to be granted if there's nobody in the US who can do the job.
That said, what I worry about with the current admin is that this is just selective enforcement of a widespread practice because Trump's butthurt that people say mean thing about him there.
If this truly is as big a problem as is claimed then we need to tighten the regulations and enforcement for everybody, not just cherry-pick Trump enemies to throw the book at.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by legont on Saturday December 05 2020, @12:02AM
At the same time American schools - intentionally I believe - stupefy American children. The reason is simple. Idiots can't revolt - at least successfully - while the fist generation immigrants don't revolt because they are too busy.
P.S. They make children fat for the same reason.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 04 2020, @01:24PM (17 children)
This looks to me like part of the Trump retaliation against the big internet platforms.
How sad a state of the nation is it, where it takes *that* to finally become active against a practice that has been decried publicly for decades?!?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 04 2020, @01:41PM (5 children)
And, you seem to be ignoring that Trump worked to bring jobs back to America. No, this isn't one lone action in the American worker's favor, it is just his latest action toward that end. Of course, the fact that the social media has intentionally pissed him off probably weighs on the decision.
(Score: 4, Informative) by c0lo on Friday December 04 2020, @03:24PM (2 children)
And, with that, I doubt your understanding of the meaning of "work" [epi.org]
Trump wants jobs coming back to the U.S. from China — but companies and consumers might disagree [marketwatch.com]
'It's all fake': Trump's manufacturing jobs promises ring hollow in midwest [theguardian.com]
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfSteveKeen https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 04 2020, @06:31PM (1 child)
So for 20 years, 4500 manufacturing plants went overseas per year. Trump gets elected and in his first two years drops that to 900.
Certainly sounds like he was turning it around.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday December 04 2020, @06:54PM
Yeap.
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfSteveKeen https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1, Disagree) by khallow on Saturday December 05 2020, @02:32PM (1 child)
When did he do that? Technically, there hasn't been a president who didn't do that. But their work, including that of Trump, has been remarkably ineffective.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 05 2020, @04:59PM
To quote another AC above:
> Overall, the U.S. has suffered a net loss of more than 91,000 manufacturing plants and nearly 5 million manufacturing jobs since 1997. Nearly 1,800 factories have disappeared during the Trump administration between 2016 and 2018
So for 20 years, 4500 manufacturing plants went overseas per year. Trump gets elected and in his first two years drops that to 900.
Certainly sounds like he was turning it around.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday December 04 2020, @01:49PM (10 children)
It would look like that to someone who has wanted to think the worst of him at all times. He campaigned the first time around with H-1Bs as a thing he was against and worked against them more than once during his presidency. We ran at least one story about it here even.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by c0lo on Friday December 04 2020, @03:34PM (9 children)
Achieving pretty much the same as Obama as the results to show [yahoo.com].
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfSteveKeen https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2, Touché) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday December 04 2020, @04:14PM (8 children)
Erm, none of your quoted partisan biased blather has anything whatsoever to do with H-1Bs. Not even anything kind of related in a roundabout sort of way that you might could see if you held your mouth just so. Care to try again with something that's remotely related to the subject at hand? Bonus points if the cited source isn't a one-sided hit piece from a partisan shill like this one was.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday December 04 2020, @04:21PM (7 children)
Ok, offtopic on H1B.
Partisan blather, tho'? Care to show how those plotted data are partisan [yimg.com]?
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfSteveKeen https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 3, Touché) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday December 04 2020, @06:38PM (6 children)
Yeah, no. We're not arguing about what you want to argue about just because you have nothing bad to say about Cheeto Jesus that's actually on topic.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday December 04 2020, @06:40PM (5 children)
So, no partisan, just offtopic.
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfSteveKeen https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 04 2020, @08:08PM (4 children)
Don't mind the idiot, he has been melting for quite a few years now. Soon he'll just be a puddle of spittle.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday December 04 2020, @08:22PM (3 children)
Oh, but I do m(i/e)nd him.
Heating him up a bit, will do him some good at winter time (grin)
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfSteveKeen https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday December 05 2020, @03:54AM (2 children)
S'not heat you're inspiring at the moment, s'boredom. This ain't up to your usual standards.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday December 05 2020, @04:00AM (1 child)
Sleep-posting, meh. Gotta get some of those too.
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfSteveKeen https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday December 05 2020, @02:01PM
All is forgiven. I eagerly await the return of comments that convince me you need a good kicking while also making me laugh.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 5, Touché) by Gaaark on Friday December 04 2020, @02:15PM (2 children)
I'm sure Zuckerberg will AGAIN say he's sorry and that they'll never do it again and he'll get a slap on the wrist and they'll keep doing it and he'll apologize AGAIN, say he's sorry and that they'll never do it again and he'll get a slap on the wrist and they'll keep doing it and he'll apologize AGAIN, say he's sorry and that they'll never do it again and he'll get a slap on the wrist and they'll keep doing it and he'll apologize AGAIN, say he's sorry and that they'll never do it again and he'll get a slap on the wrist and they'll
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. I have always been here. ---Gaaark 2.0 --
(Score: 2) by DECbot on Friday December 04 2020, @04:13PM (1 child)
You missed the part of the cycle where Zuckerberg publicly declares that he is unaware of the practice. Then, after that, comes the wrist slap and the apology. The apology and wrist slap mean nothing if there isn't first a feign of denial! I demand that Zuckerberg denies that Facebook practices H1B visa abuse before getting caught and with the wrist slapping!
cats~$ sudo chown -R us /home/base
(Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Friday December 04 2020, @04:42PM
Don't forget also, that the fine and apology comes without any admission of guilt. All part of the public disavowal of any knowledge.
1. Make unethical move that garners $10 million.
2. Get caught, pay $9 million in fines. Or $5 million, or just $1 million in fines. Or maybe get away with it. Whichever ...
3. Profit!
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Oakenshield on Friday December 04 2020, @02:24PM (2 children)
Use the Sarbanes-Oxley method of personal responsibility. All you have to do to stop it is to fine personally the CEO, CFO, and HR director treble the total value of any and all of their compensation and ban the company from any H1B Visa awards including existing ones for ten years. Nobody would dare try it. If they change up the game to outsourcing, disallow all outsourcing expense IRS deductions for ten years whenever they fire US workers to send the work overseas. This all about money. That's where you have to target the pain. Make the penalty overwhelmingly worse than the benefit. Be certain that no company or executive can ever benefit financially from this kind of fraud.
The "company" didn't make the decision to commit fraud, the managers did. So why should it be the company that pays a fine? You can bet your last dollar there would instantly be draconian company policies in place to make sure it never happens again even by the lowest HR grunt.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 04 2020, @07:35PM (1 child)
While I agree with this tack somewhat, there is a part that needs addressing:
This is just punishing the H1Bs for being hired, which is pretty damn heartless, IMO.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 04 2020, @09:27PM
Where is your sympathy for all those US workers that are punished and lose their jobs because of this fraud?
(Score: 5, Interesting) by SomeGuy on Friday December 04 2020, @03:45PM
I'll keep on saying it. Anyone who gives away American jobs to cheap foreign labor is a TRAITOR to the United States and should be catapulted the hell out. If they don't want to employ Americans, then GTFO and stop pretending to be a USA company.
Of course, in this case, only a drooling idiot would not recognize that Facebook is already pure evil. (Pauses and listens to the sound of consumertardastic drooling all around).
Since politics is coming in to this, I'll just throw out that ALL leadership in the US should be doing everything they can to keep jobs in America. Especially right now, thanks to the pandemic, what is left of the US economy is just being head together by Duct Tape. We literally can't afford to ignore this problem.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 04 2020, @07:55PM (2 children)
The Jews at facebook are bringing non-Whites into a formally White country.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 04 2020, @08:25PM (1 child)
Rightwing shitbag uses racism to minimize Facebook's rightwing bias and global destabilization efforts. Thanks shithead! May your children marry dark skinned people who make up for your lack of compassion and moral fortitude.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 05 2020, @06:32PM
"Rightwing shitbag uses racism to minimize Facebook's rightwing bias and global destabilization efforts."
The International Jew is behind both Capitalism and Communism. Almost always behind destabilization. Learn real history.
"May your children marry dark skinned people who make up for your lack of compassion and moral fortitude."
Oh yeah, because if there's anything black societies are known for, it's compassion and morality. lmao!
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(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 08 2020, @11:08PM
Jews prefer hiring Hindus because Hindus hate Moslems and Hindus understand that Jews are the highest caste.
TL;DR: The H1-B nonsense is just a cover so Larry Ellison can hire fellow racists and elitists on the cheap.
Not Tom Childers