Brazilian study says Sinovac coronavirus jab 78% effective:
A vaccine candidate made by China's Sinovac is 78% effective in protecting against the coronavirus, according to results of a study announced Thursday by Brazilian state health officials seeking federal approval of the shot.
More than 12,000 health workers participated in the study, which detected 218 cases of COVID-19 — about 160 of those among people who received a placebo rather than the actual vaccine.
Turkish officials last month said that a smaller, companion study in that country of the same vaccine candidate found an efficacy rate over 90%.
The government of Sao Paulo state, which has contracted for the vaccine, said it will ask Brazil's federal health regulators Friday for emergency approval to begin using it. Gov. João Doria plans to start a vaccination campaign for the state's 46 million residents on Jan. 25.
Sao Paulo's Butantan Institute, which is Sinovac's partner in Brazil, did not disclose data such as results by age and gender or the number of asymptomatic volunteers in the sample, which many epidemiologists require to assess whether the shot complies with safety standards.
Officials said details will be published after Brazil's health regulatory agency approves the vaccine. They gave no date for disclosure in scientific publications.
[...] A different Chinese company, SinoPharm, announced last week that its similar vaccine is about 79% effective. Both of those vaccines rely on inactivated viruses.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by richtopia on Friday January 08 2021, @03:09PM (2 children)
India is also rolling out an inactivated vaccine which is domestically made. It is providing an interesting debate: inactivated vaccines are a tried and true method and understood to be safe. With that mindset, India is rolling out the vaccine large scale: either the world's largest phase III trial or effectively skipping the phase III trial. The debate is with a technique that is considered safe, you can rapidly roll out a potentially life-saving vaccine. However, without understanding the efficacy, you could potentially be giving people a false sense of security if it is demonstrated ineffective.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/04/asia/india-vaccine-roll-out-intl-hnk/index.html [cnn.com]
https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/other/explained-what-is-covaxin-india-e2-80-99s-covid-19-vaccine-candidate-how-long-before-approval/ar-BB169iZX [msn.com]
(Score: 2, Touché) by VLM on Friday January 08 2021, @10:49PM (1 child)
LOL it never slowed down the mask people.
"Masks are magic and we'll all be safe if we wear them" combined with "now that we're safe, lets reopen all the schools" has killed 3000 people in my state since September.
That's a metric shitton of dead people caused by a false sense of security.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @01:29PM
The biggest study I know of shows no statistical significant difference in who contracted covid-19 between the mask wearers and the control group. An often overlooked detail is that masks don't cover the mucous membrane of the eyes.
That being said masks does protect those around the mask wearer. Significantly reducing the velocity and distance of exhaled particles. Masks work great in reducing the spread of covid-19 combined with distance and handwashing, if everybody wears one. There is just no studies that suggest that it does anything to protect the person wearing it. Wearing a mask is something we do for the benefit of other people.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by fakefuck39 on Friday January 08 2021, @04:22PM (12 children)
78% compared to a 95% effective biontech vaccine, which was tested in China just like it was tested by Pfizer here. But yeah, let's trust the people in *laugh* Brazil who purchased it from *laugh* China, for correct data, because those are very trustworthy sources. Let's trust them as much as the Gucci belt made in China sold by a Brazilian storefront on Amazon.
Here's my take: I'll never even take a vaccine made by China, irrelevant of what success the Brazilian trials conducted by their government claims. Why? Because it's about 50% likely to be water from the tap.
Hey, does anyone remembered when China sent a bunch of people to space? That time they transmitted audio of the mission control talk with astraunats as the rocket was going up? Very successful smooth mission. Too bad they broadcast it an hour before the launch took place.
I do trust things from China. When it's outsourced manufacturing by a western company, with quality control conducted by that western company. The Chinese are useful ants to go build something you design for you. I'm not going to trust them with literally anything else. And actually, the same goes for any data from Turkish officials. From several visits to that country, what I learned is that their economy and mentality is literally built on how successful you are at scamming someone else. In fact, that has a value which is higher than money - if they can scam someone and make less money, versus honest work and not scamming someone, they go with less money via scam.
>did not disclose data such as results by age and gender or the number of asymptomatic volunteers in the sample
oh look, they gave the vaccine to a bunch of 20yo athletes who have already had covid and are immune, in order to increase the success rate of their water from the toilet.
what a fucking joke.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @05:16PM (10 children)
Well, let's say the vaccine is not quite as effective as the Chinese claim.
Might it still be worth it to use it anyway in a vaccination campaign (strongly suspecting some effectiveness) and knowing that even if you catch coronavirus it's not a big deal for 99% of the "victims", just to achieve herd immunity quickly and get the coronavirus shutdowns OVER for the country? In other words, coronavirus is not Ebola, so maybe a less perfect vaccine is acceptable.
(Score: 1, Troll) by fakefuck39 on Friday January 08 2021, @06:52PM (4 children)
that is something we could in fact say. but you're also assuming in this fantasy world of "let's make stuff up" that the vaccine is completely safe, tested, and side-effects short and long term are fine.
let's see now... the first polio vaccine gave 40,000 people polio. Swine flu in the 70s - thousands got a neurological disorder from it.
surprise - vaccines are great when they're fully tested and carefully developed. vaccines not well tested and rushed, especially ones based on the original virus, can be disastrous. there's much less chance of bad shit w/ one that just makes a spike protein vs what china/russia/india made.
so, why don't we go back to my amazon example. you'd buy a possibly shitty fake belt, and risk a free return. How about possibly fake shitty medicine you inject into your body? how about a glucose monitor? if you have a heart condition and require to keep a defibrillator around, just in case, so you don't die - would you order one from aliexpress?
this is a great example of a corrupt shitty country that handled covid even worse than we did, making another very bad mistake. at the expense of their citizens. heck, guess what China's doing? They ran clinical trials and are manufacturing the same vaccine america is using for their own people, while selling this toilet water to Brazil.
Classic China. Classic Brazil.
(Score: 1) by multistrand on Friday January 08 2021, @08:01PM
The examples aren't limited to the distant past -- there is a Dengue fever vaccine that had to be recalled just 5 years ago because it made things worse, not better. https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/philippines-recalls-worlds-first-dengue-vaccine-dengvaxia-over-safety-concerns [straitstimes.com]
(Score: 2, Interesting) by VLM on Friday January 08 2021, @10:58PM (2 children)
I think the post you're replying to was promoting the strategy that corona is asymptomatic or minimal for healthy people under 60 or so, but 1/3 odds of death for old people and fat cows, so just give literal corona to everyone under 55, put the old and fat people under lock and key for about two weeks, and you'll have herd immunity protect the old people.
Like 5000 kids died last week, of which 54 tested positive for corona (note if you die in a car accident from not being in a car seat while being asymptomatic or minimal cold symptoms it doesn't matter) Pneumonia alone got 149 kids last week. Anyway its an interesting idea rather than opening and closing schools every week, just give all the kids corona for spring break and go back to normal operation next week. Due to the herd immunity effect none of the teachers could catch corona if none of the kids can, and none of the parents can catch it from the teachers if they're all immune, etc.
There really are not that many people in the USA who are old enough that the Chinese flu is a death sentence if you rely on herd immunity.
(Score: 3, Funny) by fakefuck39 on Friday January 08 2021, @11:18PM (1 child)
The concern with kids getting covid is not them dying. It's because they're guaranteed to get their parents, their teachers, and probably their grandparents infected. The reason fatalities are as low as they are is because you can make it into the hospital and be treated. If you infect all the kids, you will infect millions of people at the same time. But yeah, agreed - if you got in a car accident, and every hospital was over capacity from covid, so you bleed out on the street, that shouldn't count as a covid death. It's a death caused by low IQ.
Tell me, is the covid variant from Europe also the Chinese flu?
There are only about 70mil kids in the states. You think 70mil people out of 330mil gives the population herd immunity? You should look up herd immunity on wiki so you know what you're talking about before you talk. You can also get covid again a few months later, meaning there is no herd immunity. Tell me, why don't we have immunity to the common cold and the American flu?
You are literally clinically dumber than a doorknob. I honestly don't know how you tie your shoelaces. Do you do it with a belt? I bet your grandfather fucked a male monkey in the ass and gave us AIDS because he thought he was sticking it to the nigs.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday January 09 2021, @02:03AM
VLM here is one of the worst posters of this sort...you know, the "small-L libertarian" type who thinks he's some kind of ubermensch because he's not held down by logic, facts, or morals? Best thing to do is just mock him mercilessly, IMO.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday January 08 2021, @08:45PM (4 children)
If the Russian vaccine is good enough for Israel, it's good enough for everybody else.
Except that the vaccine is totally unnecessary, because COVID-19 and all of its variants and mutations now magically appearing are a hoax panic to usher in governmental power-grabs for behavioral control while delivering windfalls to Jew-run big Pharma. From what I'm reading, the vaccine is the disease itself. From an American's perspective, the COVID hoax is a Jew's wet-dream: They get to muzzle the Goyim and physically herd them into position like the cattle they are, while executing a holocaust against them with vaccine administration.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by VLM on Friday January 08 2021, @10:50PM (2 children)
The mask is the new kippah, criticism of the holy mask is indeed anti-semitism of the highest order
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:21AM
I don't think anyone criticizes wearing a kippa, though not wearing one in Israel on the sabbath may get a similar reaction by the mob if one doesn't wear a mask in the US.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @06:14AM
When did we stop calling it a yarmulke?
Is Yiddish dying out?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @01:46PM
It's healthy to be sceptical, but be careful to be as sceptical to any counter narrative. There is still the possibility that the vaccines will help and with the decease gone thats not an obstacle to gaining back lost freedom. Done is done, there is no way to not have the pandemic, even if it should be a conspiracy. The only path forward is the vaccine. Think about this. If the vaccine is the decease and people suddenly die, that will result in riots. Not benefitting any elite. If the vaccine is fake and the pandemic is fake, people will still think that they are cured and life will become normal. The end result irregardless of ones view on the pandemic and a vaccine, will be that we return to normal... well of course with an interim revolt if that vaccine really turns out to be a killer drug ;)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @08:38PM
These aren't misleading stats. The other vaccines have only a handful of studies under them. This one has a brazillion!