Scientists shed light on how and why some people report "hearing the dead"
Spiritualist mediums might be more prone to immersive mental activities and unusual auditory experiences early in life, according to new research.
This might explain why some people and not others eventually adopt spiritualist beliefs and engage in the practice of 'hearing the dead', the study led by Durham University found.
The researchers conducted a survey of 65 clairaudient spiritualist mediums from the Spiritualists' National Union and 143 members of the general population in the largest scientific study into the experiences of clairaudient mediums.
They found that these spiritualists have a proclivity for absorption – a trait linked to immersion in mental or imaginative activities or experience of altered states of consciousness.
They found that 44.6 per cent of spiritualist participants reported hearing the voices of the deceased on a daily basis, with 33.8 per cent reporting an experience of clairaudience within the last day.
A large majority (79 per cent) said that experiences of auditory spiritual communication were part of their everyday lives, taking place both when they were alone and when they were working as a medium or attending a spiritualist church.
Although spirits were primarily heard inside the head (65.1 per cent), 31.7 per cent of spiritualist participants said they experienced spirit voices coming from both inside and outside the head.
When rated on scales of absorption, as well as how strongly they believe in the paranormal, spiritualists scored much more highly than members of the general population.
For the general population, absorption was associated with levels of belief in the paranormal, but there was no significant corresponding link between belief and hallucination-proneness.
Spiritualists reported first experiencing clairaudience at an average age of 21.7 years. However, 18 per cent of spiritualists reported having clairaudient experiences 'for as long as they could remember' and 71 per cent had not encountered Spiritualism as a religious movement prior to their first experiences.
The researchers say their findings suggest that it is not giving in to social pressure, learning to have specific expectations, or a level of belief in the paranormal that leads to experiences of spirit communication.
Instead, it seems that some people are uniquely predisposed to absorption and are more likely to report unusual auditory experiences occurring early in life. For many of these individuals, spiritualist beliefs are embraced because they align meaningfully with those unique personal experiences
In other words, they became spiritualists because it makes... ummm... hearing sense.
Journal Reference:
Adam J. Powell, Peter Moseley. When spirits speak: absorption, attribution, and identity among spiritualists who report "clairaudient" voice experiences [open], Mental Health, Religion & Culture (DOI: 10.1080/13674676.2020.1793310)
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2021, @11:45AM (1 child)
I keep hearing things from the Mighty Bussstaard, but I am rather sure he is dead. For one thing, the positions he holds are only the positions of dead people, or post-mortuum estates. He is against death taxes, but in his case, he has no heir, nor much hairs, or even any pairs, so none of that matters. Perhaps he is aiming at trans-death property transmission, like khallow, where all your wealth could be passed down, ( for what purpose, not one has again, any idea) and then fucked with to the detriment of Sayed Mingtaung Busssard on the Wing, and end up as much a poor-assed tribal member (with some coding skills, must be admitted) spewing spew on the spew network, without understanding what he is saying.; Poor Buzztard
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2021, @12:16PM
Oh, sorry! I thought we were talking about the "brain dead", not like the "actually dead in the ground Trump voter" deads. My bad. Merci Beaucoup!
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2021, @11:45AM (61 children)
Does procreating with the cousins select for a population more prone to hear dead people whispering "Kill all lefties"? (grin)
(Score: 0, Troll) by crafoo on Tuesday January 19 2021, @11:54AM (53 children)
That's projection, son.
No one wants to kill you. They just want you to stop shoving your failed ideologies down our throats. What ever happened to, "live and let live"?
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday January 19 2021, @12:04PM (3 children)
Ah, you prefer to live by the failed ideologies of your own. Well, do the same all over again, you'll get the same results.
For one, it has an extraneous comma.
Otherwise, nothing happened to it, I'll breath the Australian gum trees smoke when they go alight and enjoy the Medicare I'm happy to pay for.
You're free to live whatever delusion you chose, just don't expect me to approve.
Now, get off my lawn and don't son me.
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfSteveKeen https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2021, @12:19PM (2 children)
"Now, get off my lawn" - ain't nothing on the internet is your lawn.
Being territorial is certainly doing things differently.
Approval is irrelevant, you are de-facto property of people with actual power, what difference does it make what you believe in, human unit ? :D
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday January 19 2021, @12:35PM
[Citation needed] (grin)
Interesting how getting the opposite of such an irrelevant trifle equates with "shoving your failed ideologies down our throats"; looks like I have an amount of power over some other human units' minds, as irrelevant as that amount may be.
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfSteveKeen https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2021, @04:54PM
Ok, now get off my LAN.
(Score: 5, Informative) by unauthorized on Tuesday January 19 2021, @12:21PM (36 children)
Aside from radical tankies, no one wants to shove failed ideologies down your throat. For the most part leftists just want to accomplish social reform through the democratic process.
(Score: 3, Troll) by FatPhil on Tuesday January 19 2021, @01:14PM (32 children)
I used to jokingly refer to myself as a "loonie leftie" as I was fairly left leaning when such views were regionally unpopular (I lived near Broker/Banker Mountain at the time), but here "-ie" is a diminuiative, softening the implications of the word, and where the actual *loonie* lefties were so exceptionally rare that there was no way I could be confused for one of them. Alas, nowadays, the loonies seem to be a plurality of the left, so I no longer use the moniker, lest I be bundled by those who think all the left's the same with the default interpretation masses from which I wish to distance myself.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by helel on Tuesday January 19 2021, @02:44PM (31 children)
Yes, citation needed. Please give an actual list of people you think "the leftists" have killed in 2020. Name them. Maybe link to an article.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by FatPhil on Tuesday January 19 2021, @03:22PM (10 children)
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by helel on Tuesday January 19 2021, @06:14PM (9 children)
Ok, please provide a list of persons "the leftists" have used unprovoked violence against. Specific individuals, not "x people may have been injured."
And to clarify here, by "unprovoked" I mean attacks initiated by "leftists," not acts of self defense such as kicking tear gas canisters back at police. And back it up with some damn links. None of this "I saw something on YouTube one time" crap.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2021, @07:00PM (3 children)
Hunt and assassinate good enough for you?
https://www.mcda.us/index.php/documents/state-of-oregon-vs-michael-forest-reinoehl-affidavits-warrant-da-info.pdf/ [www.mcda.us]
(Score: 3, Touché) by helel on Tuesday January 19 2021, @07:20PM (2 children)
Aaron Danielson stabbed Michael Reinoehl prompting Reinoehl to draw his gun and fire in self defense. Seriously, when did conservatives stop believing in a persons second amendment right to defend themselves?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @03:54AM (1 child)
That's a total lie. Totally made up. You can see in the video they are ten feet apart at least: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fas5VNeYOg [youtube.com]
And hear the spotter "hey we got one we got one right here."
You are entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own made up "facts".
Note the source too, The Oregonian, an Antifa supporting paper.
(Score: 2, Flamebait) by helel on Wednesday January 20 2021, @04:26AM
Fair enough, I got sloppy with my language. Still, self defense doesn't require Reinoehl wait until he's been stabbed to defend himself, altho the warrant states that the weapons drawn were actually a collapsable baton and can of bear spray so bludgeoned would be the more accurate advance in events.
Normally I'd be the one arguing that guns aren't actually that useful in stopping crime and that self defense in court should be much more tightly reigned in, and indeed this is exactly the kind of situation where I think it's clear the individual who claimed self defense made some bad decisions that they never would have if they didn't feel like their firearm could get them back out.
The truth is none of us really know if Reinoehl was actually acting in self defense or not. He claimed he was, there's some evidence to support it but other aspects that don't. Generally my observation has been that conservatives are willing to take "self defense" claims at face value, even in cases where the shooter stalked the victim for several blocks [wikipedia.org]. Funny how things change when the shooters politics don't align with Republican values...
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Wednesday January 20 2021, @01:41AM (4 children)
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2) by helel on Wednesday January 20 2021, @02:18AM (3 children)
I have. You know what turns up? Boogaloo [go.com] Boys [latimes.com] attacking [msnbc.com] police [thesun.co.uk].
So, you made the claim. You provide evidence. Do the research and provide actual cases of violence initiated by "the left." Actual, distinct cases with named suspects and victims. If your accusation is true then all you gotta do is a few quick google searches and some cut-n-past, like I did for paragraph one.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday January 21 2021, @02:11PM (2 children)
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2) by helel on Thursday January 21 2021, @02:29PM (1 child)
So the most recent leftist attack you can think of was in 2019? Sounds about right. These things aren't unheard of, just very rare.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday January 21 2021, @04:13PM
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday January 19 2021, @04:00PM (19 children)
Just read the obituaries in Chicago. Hundreds, every year. You're not going to claim that Chicago is "right".
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/30/trump-supporters-protesters-clash-in-portland-1-killed.html [cnbc.com]
That story is one dead, killed execution style.
Kyle Rittenhouse was an attempted execution by the left. Alas, he was prepared and fought back, killing two leftists, and fucking up a third.
There are plenty of impotent leftists who want to kill righties, but don't have the balls and/or the wherewithal to do so.
https://www.independentsentinel.com/crazy-leftists-who-want-to-kill-the-president-this-week/ [independentsentinel.com]
https://www.lifezette.com/2018/10/here-are-12-of-the-lefts-worst-recent-attacks-on-conservatives/ [lifezette.com]
Of course, you probably won't own Hodgkinson as one of your own. You won't admit any murders or attempted murders as "leftist" violence.
The impotence of leftist activists and extremists does not demonstrate a peaceful intent.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 1, Redundant) by Tork on Tuesday January 19 2021, @04:14PM
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🏳️🌈 Proud Ally 🏳️🌈
(Score: 2) by unauthorized on Tuesday January 19 2021, @05:46PM (1 child)
Oh look, extremists exist. What a shocker.
Every political group has it's fair share of loons. On the right you have alt righters, actual unironic neonazis and fundamentalist evangelists who are equally insane and violent. However, just like those caricatures don't represent mainstream right, antifa extremists don't represent the mainstream left either.
How many people on the left actually support these people? Can you provide any reputable evidence which demonstrates they are anything but fringe whackos?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2021, @07:02PM
Look at the penetration of CRT. The world is about to go authoritarian fast.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by helel on Tuesday January 19 2021, @06:06PM (12 children)
So your proof the left is violent is that right wing terrorists keep trying to kill them?!?
Kyle Rittenhouse traveled across state lines with guns and an intent to use them against protesters. His intent was clearly to use violence and the fear it creates in an attempt to stop BLM from exercising their first amendment rights. That is terrorism.
Also, since when does "execution style" mean shot in the chest while trying to stab someone? Aaron Danielson stabbed Michael Reinoehl prompting Reinoehl to draw his gun and fire in self defense. Whether or not that's a justified response is a matter of personal interpretation but if "shooting in self defense" has a political leaning I'd definitely peg it on the right side of the spectrum.
Do you even understand that there is a difference between being the victim of violence and perpetrating violence? I'm not even kidding. Your response here strongly suggests that you simply don't cognitively grasp that there's a difference between attacking someone and being attacked.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Joe Desertrat on Tuesday January 19 2021, @06:44PM (1 child)
You don't understand. In the ideology of the right, violence is always caused by leftists. The boogaloo who traveled from Texas to Minneapolis and shot up a police station is always listed as violence caused by antifa. The Capitol riots, they claim it was instigated by antifa infiltrators. In the mind of those on the right, antifa is some sort of Kaos type organization, looking to infiltrate and overthrow everything they hold dear. In reality of course, what they hold dear puts many of them on the FBI watch list, while antifa doesn't make the cut.
(Score: 1, Troll) by helel on Tuesday January 19 2021, @09:20PM
I think it would be more accurate to say they simply don't care about violence. Lying about who does it is a political tactic, same as lying about global warming or voter fraud. Reality rejects their world view and so they reject reality in turn.
Of course knowing this makes my attempts to confront them with truth pointless. What can I say, everyone needs a hobby.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday January 19 2021, @07:00PM (8 children)
False. Kyle lived in one state, and owned a gun there. Kyle worked in another state, and owned another gun there. Kyle carried no weapons across state lines.
Citation needed. Carrying a weapon for the stated purpose of self defense is not an indication of any intent to use the weapons.
False. Burning cars and businesses is not a first amendment right. Beating old men almost to death isn't a first amendment right, either.
WTF? Watch the video again. That's just bullshit, plain and simple. Seriously, watch the video. Danielson never got close enough to Reinoehl that he could have stabbed him. There is no evidence of a knife during the actual shooting, nor in the videos taken after the shooting. Are you making this lie up, or are you just parroting some other person's lies?
If you have evidence, like video evidence, maybe you can link to it?
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @02:14AM
Idiot boomer wannabe says stupid shit, news at 11.
(Score: 2) by helel on Wednesday January 20 2021, @03:07AM (6 children)
Yes, I've seen the video. I've watched Danielson cross the street towards Reinoehl, shouting and drawing something as he does so. Reinoehl claimed it was a knife. I actually just looked at the warrant and it appears to be a collapsable baton but it's hard to make out details in the heat of the moment and both are dangerous weapons. I don't know if self defense would have held up in court but the video does make a compelling case that Reinoehl had cause to feel threatened.
In short, as the video and warrant both support, Michael Reinoehl is a reasonable case of "carrying a weapon for the stated purpose of self defense." I, personally, am not a fan of this justification for gun ownership but it's one I see conservatives use quite frequently and the current law of the land.
As for Kyle Rittenhouse. I'm sorry, I didn't realize where he kept the gun he wasn't legally allowed to carry. He committed a crime just by carrying the gun. Minors can't carry firearms in Wisconsin.
He spent some time at the dealership but then left, instead wandering the streets for hours after curfew. His stated purpose was to defend that dealership but there weren't any protesters nearby that night. If his intent were honest, heck, if he just wanted to follow the law, he'd have gone home when it became clear there was no danger to the dealership or, at the latest, gone home in such time as to be out of the city before curfew. Instead he wandered the streets on foot.
Has Rittenhouse provided a signed confession? No. However, his actions do not make sense through the lens of his claimed reason for being in Kenosha that night and would suggest his motives were more focuses on the BLM protesters than on the dealership he had no actual connection to.
So, what conclusion do you draw, that he meant to join the protest?
Links to the specific cases including the names of any (known) victims and suspects or it didn't happen.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday January 20 2021, @03:31AM (5 children)
That is one claim being made by the prosecution. The defense seems to have a case. I really don't think the prosecution's case will stick there. Kyle's biggest problem with that gun is, he had his buddy buy it for him. There is some potential for a strawman purchase. We shall see where that leads.
The dealership owned property in two locations. One location included a building with a shop and an office. The other location was just a car lot. I am less than certain, but I think that the first gomer Kyle shot was actually shot on the dealership's property.
Among other things, Kyle volunteered to treat minor injuries. There is video somewhere of a young woman with a lower extremity injury, who Kyle volunteered to help. Sorry, don't remember specifics, but he mentions several times that he has his first aid kit, and that he's a trained EMT.
That is precisely what triggered the confrontation with Gomer #1: Kyle used a fire extinguisher to put out a fire on the dealership's property. It isn't clear whether Gomer started the fire, but when Kyle extinguished the fire, Gomer cursed Kyle and started chasing him. Kyle was performing his stated mission: guarding the dealership.
Sorry, I'm not going to search out links for every crime committed in Kenosha - but this one should get your attention:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12500090/kenosha-riots-worker-beaten-looter-jacob-blake/ [thesun.co.uk]
https://twitter.com/zerosum24/status/1298347875257253888 [twitter.com]
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 2) by helel on Wednesday January 20 2021, @03:57PM (4 children)
I would love to see the man who attacked Robert Cobb brought to justice. However, at this time we don't know who they are and thus don't know if they are connected to the actual protesters at all. All we know is that he engaged with looters and one struck him.
But the actions of one looter, and even all the looters really, do not reflect on the protest that happened to be taking place at the same time. Looters are opportunistic individuals. When a hurricane strikes you don't hold it accountable for the looting, do you?
So the first shooting Kyle committed occurred at Bert and Rudy's auto service shop. What's less clear is what relationship they have with the dealership, who (I was not previously aware) seems to have the parking lot listed as a second address. I'll grant it seems there's a chance he was still "protecting the dealership," a weak mark in his favor.
He had someone else buy the gun because minors can't buy or be given guns. The plain language of the law does allow minors to carry and use guns for hunting, provided they have a parent/guardian "within arms reach." His defense rests on the point that he wasn't hunting, therefore he didn't need a guardian. The literal wording of the law is... about what you'd expect if you've ever read a law. It's long, convoluted, and might not compile.
However, he clearly knew we couldn't have the gun. He couldn't even purchase it or be legally gifted it. Even if his defense can convince the jury that the law is badly enough written that it doesn't apply there's no question he knew he wasn't supposed to have it. Still a mark against him, especially in light of the fact that use of deadly force to protect property (the thing he said he was doing) is illegal.
So the absolute best case for him is that he traveled to a community he wasn't part of to protect property that wasn't his at a time when he wasn't allowed to be there with a gun he knew he wasn't allowed to carry, and then he felt threatened and shot three people. That's a criminal level of stupid, in the best case.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday January 20 2021, @05:11PM (3 children)
You seem to be getting a more rational and nuanced view of the events.
Kyle may be in trouble, but it is very minor trouble compared to premeditated murder, or even second or third degree. Kyle did not commit a murder, because self defense. Manslaughter and lesser homicide charges are laughable.
Had no one attacked Kyle, no one would have been killed by Kyle. That is the essence of self defense.
I still think that when all is said and done, Kyle will walk away from that court room a free man.
Want to know who I think should be in court, answering for acts of omission? The group that Kyle was associated with. He was in the company of multiple adults who were also armed for almost all of that evening. However formally or informally associated, he was part of a group. It appears that the group basically abandoned Kyle at the critical moment. Some discipline should have been imposed, the minimum being a buddy system. That is as simple as simple can be: No one goes anywhere without his buddy to watch his back. The next step up would be the formation of squads, with a senior man in charge of 3 to 5 junior men.
That simple precaution would have put Kyle in the company of more mature men who may have defused the situation before the chase and the shooting took place. It would certainly have given Kyle some reinforcement in those critical moments.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 2) by helel on Wednesday January 20 2021, @05:41PM (2 children)
I agree with you that the adults he was with should be held responsible, to some degree. They bear all the same criminal stupidity Rittenhouse does, save that they could legally bear arms. I also agree that, sadly, there's a strong chance he will get off on technicality and uncertainty.
I said the most favorable interpretation is that he showed absolute criminal stupidity. He spent all day threatening people with his rifle until he finely shot one. If somebody spent eight hours throwing stones at your house, then claimed the broken window was an accident I suspect you wouldn't believe them. Same principle here.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday January 20 2021, @06:20PM (1 child)
Apparently, you feel threatened every time you see a police officer, or any other person in possession of a firearm? No, Kyle didn't "threaten" anyone.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @11:25PM
Right, he killed them.
Premeditated murder. Trump supporter. Kid is gonna fry.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2021, @07:05PM
Reinoehl stalked and murdered the guy. Even the antifa-loving Portland DA couldn't escape that fact. https://www.mcda.us/index.php/documents/state-of-oregon-vs-michael-forest-reinoehl-affidavits-warrant-da-info.pdf/ [www.mcda.us]
Seriously, if you can support hunting humans like that, you are an extremist and dangerous.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2021, @06:59PM (1 child)
In the "12 of the left's worst attacks" article, I see 1 shooting resulting in near-death, 1 case of violence (eg. "fended off a man with a switchblade knife"), 5 cases of violent/death threats, 1 case of doxing, 1 removal from a dining establishment, 3 cases of heckling (eg. "hovered over her table shouting, “Shame.”"), and 1 unknown (eg. "confronted Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) at an airport"). Yes, that adds up to 13; the shooting doesn't count as one of the 12?
So, 0 deaths, 2 heinous unforgivable acts, 6 unacceptable examples of speech, and some nuisances? That's bad and everyone deserves to be protected from crazies regardless of political affiliation (of the crazy or of the victim). So let's call this at least 2 cases of extreme leftist violence that should be denounced by all, plus at least 6 cases of extreme leftist speech that should be denounced by all. But what I'm not seeing in that article what response if any there was from "the left" to these occurrences. Not even a BS "was reached for comment but did not respond immediately". Nothing. Almost as if it was framed that way to rile people up...
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday January 19 2021, @07:06PM
Bear in mind that the 0 deaths you cite are entirely due to the ineptitude of the attackers.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @05:42AM
Those black people killing each other over drug money in Chicago are probably more conservative than you. I certainly wouldn't label them as "left" based on where they lived or the color of their skin. Stop being so racist. For the record, I don't give a fuck about idiots of any political persuasion who show up to cause trouble getting shot or getting legal trouble, that's what should happen to violent people.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday January 19 2021, @03:17PM (1 child)
There are ALWAYS bodies to dispose of after the Commies have taken over.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 3, Insightful) by unauthorized on Tuesday January 19 2021, @05:27PM
And after liberal democracies take over as well. Louis XVI didn't stumble and fall on the guillotine by accident.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @12:56AM
You mean through Tyrany of Majority? How does that bode for idealogy that claims to champion the rights of the marginalized?
You realize that the only recourse against such opression is violence.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday January 19 2021, @12:45PM (4 children)
Yeah, all those failed Communist shitholes like Norway and Canada and Belgium and Finland and Sweden and Denmark. Who'd want that kind of society? Surely not an upstanding small-L-libertarian like yourself, eh?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2021, @01:37PM
Anybody who is committing suicide doesn't want to live in that and has literally been denied a platform to an extent that they're thinking ending life is the only solution.
I know, right? Isn't racially homogeneous cold places living on stolen wealth of the past and petroleum where men and old people voluntarily remove themselves from your site a paradise?
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @01:05AM (1 child)
You are truly a lost idiot. I have lived under Communism, you have not. You have no idea what real Cancel Culture is about. Have you ever had someone jump in the middle of your phonecall to your family to scold you? Have you ever had a visit from strange people trying to check your thinking based on some information (accurate or made up) one of your neighbors passed on? Have you waited four fucking hours in freezing street to buy a loaf of bread? The wounds of Communism do not go away. These things become part of your DNA, and the DNA of your entire Society. Such is a true vaccine against reinfection. You will find the Easter European countries most unwelcoming audience for your ideology, but you will not understand why. You will fail to understand, and you will dismiss it as somethign else.
You have maybe a glimpse at a brief window of time, however many years you been on this Earth, and only a fraction of understanding about what the tings you interact with on daily basis are about, how they change, or what it means. All the countries you mention are very close to collapse. The history they had for few hundread to thousand years will disappear in the rubble, and everyone will clap. And when it's your turn to accept the cold reality of your future existance, I'm sure your creative mind will allow you to cope.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @11:28PM
What makes you think that? Of course I have! The one thing that sticks out for me, was that there were not any Nazis marching around, or attacking public buildings, like the Reichstag.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @05:58AM
By many measures, the US is more socialist than any of those countries. The difference is, we don't do equitable distribution, opting to only support those incapable of supporting themselves. Argue for the issues! Universal healthcare, free and open access to education and knowledge. That's not anything like socialism or communism, just some public services and adapting to the times.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2021, @03:48PM (5 children)
Really? Cos a week ago five people died because your side tried to ram an unwanted president down our throats.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday January 19 2021, @07:09PM (4 children)
Odd. All but the dead cop were there because they believed the Dems were ramming an unwanted president down their throats. As for the cop, I've heard no statements about his politics. He may well have been a Trump supporter.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2021, @09:48PM (3 children)
FTFY.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday January 19 2021, @10:00PM (2 children)
No one attending the demonstrations wants Biden. There is no made up story, other than the election itself.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2021, @10:40PM
> No one attending the demonstrations wants Biden.
That's a pretty strong statement. How about all the undercover agents that were part of the demonstrations, along with probably some additional provocateurs?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2021, @10:50PM
Admittedly I cannot deny this. Not even BLM members dressed as Trump supporters were there!
You and your ilk believe that without proof or even the support of high-ranking GOP officials. Now a bunch of people are begging for pardons from a guy who has distanced himself from them. 😂
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2021, @07:54PM
If you're going to quote it, at least quote the entire passage: "Live and let live, unless my guy loses"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2021, @01:03PM (5 children)
Don't you mean "Enquiring minds want to know?"
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday January 19 2021, @01:17PM (4 children)
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfSteveKeen https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Tuesday January 19 2021, @01:54PM (3 children)
Well, for sure nobody inspects the Spanish exquisition.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday January 19 2021, @01:59PM (2 children)
Almost there... 'cept for an extraneouss (grin)
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfSteveKeen https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2021, @04:59PM (1 child)
nobody inspects the Spamish exsanguination.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @11:36PM
You mean, Franco? He's still dead, you know.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2021, @11:04PM
I do not know, are Pakistanis more likely to hear ghosts? Maybe you should ask them.
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2021, @11:59AM (3 children)
Article is complete bullshit.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2021, @12:20PM
crafoo wants to kill me. I can feel it. When I walk down the street, i feel his menace behind me, like a vote for Trump just waiting to stab me in the back, since I am a liberal. And they want "healing". Healing can come after we shoot crafoo down like a dog, along with Ted Cruz, Hawley, and the bitch from Colorado. Never surrender, never give up, and no mercy to these traitorous fucks, ever!
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2021, @12:29PM (1 child)
Bullshit, is it?
Is it because you don't believe in Mediums and that whole circus?
From my reading of the article, neither do the scientists who did the investigation, but they accept the fact that a number of people *do* hear apparent voices, and have at least tried to find an explanation for this, other than the usual 'these people are loons...'.
Or, Is it because you *do* believe in this nonsense, and are 'miffed' that anyone is trying to find a more rational explanation other than 'woooo, channelling uncle Casper here..channelling uncle Casper....'
Or, Is it because you're a relidge, and the article infers causative links between classes of religious style behaviour and mental 'issues'?
Of course, they're only talking about 'Spiritualist mediums' and their ilk in the article, obviously sky fairy believers who hear voices, see visions and then go and do silly things like found major world religions aren't in the same category...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2021, @01:59PM
But doesn't "these people are loons, and have been loons since childhood" simply reassert their biases? Or is the point of the study that they've been able to find a causation, rather than a correlation? We now know that it's not the medium that creates the loon, but it's the loon that creates the medium?
(Score: 5, Informative) by shrewdsheep on Tuesday January 19 2021, @12:31PM (2 children)
It is a form of schizophrenia. Our brain constantly reconstructs reality. It also constructs hypothetical realities, for example, through imagination but attaches them with the label "beware, not genuine". For some people, that label gets lost, temporarily or permanently.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2021, @01:32PM (1 child)
80 Million votes, do you hear it?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2021, @11:07PM
More like "this is not a real woman."
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Revek on Tuesday January 19 2021, @02:18PM (2 children)
Every couple of years I will dream of a good friend who passed away. The advice he gives is always the same and its always the advice I need to hear. I know its an artifact of my consciousness but it still brings me peace.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2021, @04:33PM (1 child)
unless you're talking about lucid dreams, it's not technically your conscious self that does it.
you probably already knew that.
personally, I found the nomenclature too confusing to ever learn enough to say it better than you did, anyway.
(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Thursday January 21 2021, @10:53PM
Dreaming is a state of consciousness.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday January 19 2021, @03:06PM (2 children)
Are the voices induced by some substance? (Tramadol? Or other natural plant or man made mind altering substances?) People do claim to have religious experiences from various drugs. What about meditation? (not medication)
Are the voices demons (supernatural) that will say anything that leads away from the gospel of Jesus Christ? (eg, sin, repentance, forgiveness)
Do the voices say "there is no death"?
If the voices say anything about Jesus, is it associated with reincarnation (not resurrection). Are any visions of Jesus what you think he might look like before the cross, instead of after?
Oh, and like televangelist charlatans, will they hear voices for you or perform some other supernatural service, for a fee? Be rich and healthy, not humble and poor. Send in all your money so God can make you rich.
Just asking, uh, for a friend. Yeah, for a friend.
What do the voices say? Do they have a unified message?
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(Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday January 19 2021, @03:31PM (1 child)
The most convincing explanation of a "substance" that induces paranormal experience, are electrical fields. Sure, there are drugs that induce hallucinations, but a lot of people have had experiences who never imbibe those crazy drugs.
I wonder how a poll or survey of Soylentils would go, in regards to paranormal experiences. Voices, prescience, ghosts, spirits, clairvoyance, dreams, or whatever.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Thursday January 21 2021, @10:56PM
There are some specific electromagnetic fields that have been shown to induce spiritual states of mind.
(Score: 2) by Mojibake Tengu on Tuesday January 19 2021, @04:19PM
I am just courteously listening.
Rust programming language offends both my Intelligence and my Spirit.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by nostyle on Tuesday January 19 2021, @05:59PM (6 children)
Having read the book of my own self, and discovered that I am dreadfully average, I can say in all seriousness that if you have never heard voices or seen a vision or otherwise experienced some sensation for which there was no apparent origin, then there must be something terribly wrong with you, and you have my sincerest sympathies.
Now normally, the voices say very mundane things, like "Just go take a shower!", or "Put down that video game.", or "Get off your fat ass and finish that chore!". But from time to time there are surprising ones, like "Drive down this road; follow the signs; and buy the table that is on sale", or like the one in December of 2019 that said, "Do not go to the bank until the danger of it has become public", then by March 2020 dozens were dying in my town of the Covid (yes, I still wash the cash I receive - but with UV light these days).
Indeed, I heard the sweet voice of the woman I would eventually marry months before I ever met her, and I gazed upon the face of my first born years before he was even conceived. My father, after his passing met me in a dream, and often I feel the warm embrace of my deceased mother when trouble has beset me. I have always assumed that everyone has these experiences, whether they admit to them or not.
It is wonderful, I think, that scientific inquiry into these phenomena are being pursued, and I hope there may come a day when the mysteries of the soul and spirit of man are more fully described and understood.
Now let me also admit that not every source-less sensation I have experienced has proven valid or true or positive, hence I always exercise some will in following these promptings, ignoring the ones that will obviously result in harm to myself or others. And in this regard, those who do not experience these sensations are blessed, since they never need to combat these false inputs. When sharing the content of my inner voices, I always caution that it was something my mind is telling me, but I am not sure it is "good" or "true" in some absolute sense, so do exercise your best judgement.
OTOH, Thomas Edison was deaf. Ray Charles was blind. I guess it takes all kinds.
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Something told me I should post this.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2021, @07:20PM (2 children)
Well I for one am glad that I require large doses of shrooms before I start experiencing auditory hallucinations.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2021, @09:45PM (1 child)
If all you want to do is induce auditory hallucinations, I recommend going sleepless for 36-48 hours. It is cheaper with less risk of incidental poisoning. Make sure you have a spotter if you try this exercise.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @02:57AM
No thanks. That sounds like an even worse method of getting high than nutmeg.
(Score: 1) by nostyle on Wednesday January 20 2021, @12:24AM
We had just bought a house. Off the kitchen was a breakfast nook, and nothing of the furniture we possessed fit properly into that space. Moreover we had spent all of our savings to close the deal, and so could not afford to run out and buy something to put there. Months went by with that space remaining vacant.
One Saturday morning, I looked at the empty nook, and a voice in my head said, "Get in the car and drive, following the signs, until you find the table."
So I hopped in my car and drove down the hill. At the bottom of the hill was a sign with the words "Estate Sale - today only" and an arrow pointing the way. I followed it to another and another... etc., until nine miles later I arrived at a modest residence crowded with bargain-seekers. In an overlooked corner of the basement I found it.
It was a 1950's era formica breakfast table [blogspot.com], avocado green with four matching chairs, all made of stainless steel, in mint condition. I acquired the lot for $75, leaving me $25 to feed my family of five for a week. We ate oatmeal that whole week, but we did so at our "new" table, so we didn't mind.
That was twenty-five years ago, but I still live in that house and that table still fills that nook, perfectly.
From experiences like this, I deduce that amongst the many worlds of creation there is an entity (or entities) observing the mess that I am making of my life here on earth, and in pity for me, sending clues for me to follow. If you do not receive similar guidance, then your life is probably not nearly as pitiful as mine.
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I post this as a partial answer to an outstanding question. You may know who you are. It's okay to touche me.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @11:53AM (1 child)
why is this voted interesting?
parent is either delusional or a liar.
arguably the "delusional" case may be mildly interesting if true, but this is an internet discussion forum. there is no way to asses how much of the story the person writing it actually believes.
the votes should go to "sad", if anything.
because this is a story about figuring out why people hear voices that are not real, and parent chooses
1. to troll everyone with a story of hearing voices.
or
2. to willfully ignore the evidence (described in the summary) for natural explanations, and try to convince everyone that the voices come from real "supernatural" phenomena.
(Score: 2) by nostyle on Wednesday January 20 2021, @03:55PM
Consider the migraine headache. Victims report a visual disturbance followed shortly afterward by excruciating pain in the head lasting for hours or days. It comes and it goes seemingly randomly. Many people never experience one, but many people do.
Now since we have no simple test to reveal the onset and progression of migraine, we could say the victims are lying or that they are delusional and ignore them, _or_ we can collect anecdotes over time which reveal a repeated and clear pattern of symptoms, and we can begin to test various treatments to discover if the alleviation of migraine is possible. Fortunately for my wife, various treatments have been developed in the past thirty years which do seem to mitigate the debilitating effect of it.
Likewise many people report experiences of hearing voices (whether "inner" or "audible") and seeing visions (whether the eyes are open or closed). Many people do not. Shall we then simply assume the ones who do are delusional or lying?
In short, the first step in any scientific inquiry is to gather reports from those who experience a phenomena. Then we can look for repeated and clear patterns in those reports, and perhaps make discoveries that accurately describe the world around us.
My reason for posting was to take issue with the tacit presumption of yours (and the researchers?) that "clearly no-one can hear from the dead, so let us look for what disorder of the mind is causing this nonsense". It is a false premise, according to my experience.
And who is disabled - the one who can hear, or the one who cannot?
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What could I possibly gain from pseudonymously lying to anonymous cowards on an internet forum? No! rather I am a seeker after truth.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2021, @06:55PM
The 'dead' are a 2-piece unit. The thing that follows 'em around is what y'all gotta watch out for.
(Score: 2) by Thexalon on Tuesday January 19 2021, @07:35PM (1 child)
If you're the sort of person who believes that there are people who can hear the dead, save your money on a medium or seance and instead just get your reading from Wanda Jo the Free Psychic [mediumimpressive.com].
"Think of how stupid the average person is. Then realize half of 'em are stupider than that." - George Carlin
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2021, @07:57PM
Only if Wanda Jo is a member of the Spiritualists' National Union. Gotta have standards, you know.