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posted by martyb on Tuesday August 10 2021, @11:58AM   Printer-friendly

Tesla Claims 92% Battery Cell Material Recovery In New Recycling Process - Electrek:

For years now, Tesla has been working with third-party recyclers to recover materials from their end-of-life battery packs.

But the automaker has also been working on its own “unique battery recycling system.

Today, with the release of its 2020 Impact Report, Tesla released more details on its battery recycling effort.

Tesla confirmed that the first phase of its own battery cell recycling facility was deployed late last year:

“In the fourth quarter of 2020, Tesla successfully installed the first phase of our cell recycling facility at Gigafactory Nevada for in-house processing of both battery manufacturing scrap and end-of-life batteries. While Tesla has worked for years with third-party battery recyclers to ensure our batteries do not end up in a landfill, we understand the importance of also building recycling capacity in-house to supplement these relationships. Onsite recycling brings us one step closer to closing the loop on materials generation, allowing for raw material transfer straight to our nickel and cobalt suppliers. The facility unlocks the cycle of innovation for battery recycling at scale, allowing Tesla to rapidly improve current designs through operational learnings and to perform process testing of R&D products.”

The automaker shared a chart showing that it can recover over 92% of raw battery materials:

[...] The company says that it had 1,300 tons of nickel, 400 tons of copper, and 80 tons of cobalt recycled in 2020.


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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 10 2021, @12:02PM (11 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 10 2021, @12:02PM (#1165385)

    This is good news for the EV market. Battery disposal is one of the biggest problems it faces. That it also reduces raw material requirement helps a lot, too. If we are ever to achieve sustainability this is the kind of technology we are going to need.

    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by FatPhil on Tuesday August 10 2021, @12:09PM (9 children)

      by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Tuesday August 10 2021, @12:09PM (#1165386) Homepage
      Absolutely. Batteries are pretty low entropy, lower entropy for any of the minerals within than any of them in their raw natural environment, so it always should have been possible to perform a shorter loop than just hoping they got stratified by seismic recycling, and then re-mined by the next intelligent civilisation on earth in a hundred million years.

      In other recycling news - I just found out all the medals at the olympics were made from metals extracted from waste electronics in Japan.

      It's almost as if when we put our minds to it we can work towards a more sustainable economy.
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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 10 2021, @02:06PM (8 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 10 2021, @02:06PM (#1165410)

        It's almost as if when we put our minds to it we can work towards a more sustainable economy.

        I will not disagree with you here, but I don't think this is a good representative example to use. The cost of this recycled material would have been far down the priority list. The importance of using this material in making the medals was all about symbolism and making a statement, and even generating a sense of ownership in the games with the populace [dw.com]. But it doesn't mean it was economically viable.

        • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday August 10 2021, @03:09PM (7 children)

          by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Tuesday August 10 2021, @03:09PM (#1165448) Homepage
          Are you assuming the price of gold and silver from the ground won't go up massively in the coming century? Eventually, supply will drop and demand won't, and there can only be one outcome of that situation. (OK, the US will probably elect another president that either forcably confiscates gold from its own population, or invades a foreign country to forcably confiscate gold from their population, knowing history, but that's only a stop-gap measure.)
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          • (Score: 4, Interesting) by ElizabethGreene on Tuesday August 10 2021, @05:27PM (6 children)

            by ElizabethGreene (6748) on Tuesday August 10 2021, @05:27PM (#1165493) Journal

            You're making the, not completely unreasonable, assumption that we don't take up asteroid mining in the next century. If that becomes widespread then metal commodity prices could do literally anything. e.g. skyrocket by disproving hypothetical reserves or from demand for spacecraft or crash on a massive supply glut.

            That will be interesting to live through.

            • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday August 10 2021, @06:51PM (3 children)

              by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Tuesday August 10 2021, @06:51PM (#1165540) Homepage
              By the time asteroids are cheaper to mine than whatever else we've got left on earth, the prices will be 10^12 times higher than they currently are anyway. What do you presume the delta-Vs are, what mass of fuel are you calculating will be necessary to achieve the return delta-Vs, and where will that fuel come from? Asteroid mining will be best achieved by trapping a passing alien spaceship in a temporal lock, and then using its superluminal drives to teleport the ores straight from the asteroid to earth. That's just as likely as anything else that's been proposed so far. People read too many comic books, and have become infantalised with no sense of what's reality and what's fantasy.
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              • (Score: 5, Interesting) by ElizabethGreene on Tuesday August 10 2021, @08:51PM (2 children)

                by ElizabethGreene (6748) on Tuesday August 10 2021, @08:51PM (#1165579) Journal

                I don't see it as an unreasonable proposition. Here's my thinking. For perspective, in my lifetime I've seen launch costs go from $85 per gram to $0.90 per gram* and some crazy fscker in Texas is trying to drop it another order of magnitude. It's not that far beyond our grasp today. Assume your flight hardware was completely free; That's a bullshit assumption, but indulge me. With gold at $55 per gram today and a free spacecraft today, your return mass fraction only has to be $0.90/$55 1.6% to pay for your launch cost. Do you honestly believe that, over the next 100 years, that number won't get small enough to make it possible?

                * Inflation adjusted dollars 1981 shuttle cost to falcon heavy fully reusable.

                • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Wednesday August 11 2021, @06:40AM

                  by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Wednesday August 11 2021, @06:40AM (#1165687) Homepage
                  Yes, of course I believe that, because I refuse to perform absurd unfounded extrapolations. Repeat your historical calculation with ground-based ICEs, for example.

                  And no, I will not indulge you in using bullshit - how can you say "my argument's bollocks but I'll make it anyway" with a straight face? Has post-truth reached everywhere now?
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                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 11 2021, @04:15PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 11 2021, @04:15PM (#1165777)

                  Assume your flight hardware was completely free; That's a bullshit assumption, but indulge me.

                  I'll do you one better. Assume that energy was completely free, and the machine was completely free. I could install a machine to process sea water and extract all the dissolved gold in it. It'd be a veritable Midas machine!

                  Yes, I believe that inflation-adjusted costs will go down over the next 100 years. No, I don't believe it will continue indefinitely (see: Moore's law, and the "The Tyranny of the Rocket Equation").

                  If you are saying that it could become profitable, I absolutely agree. I suspect I think the chances are lower than you think they are, but with things like the advent of fusion technology, it absolutely could.

                  On the other hand, if you are saying that it obviously will become profitable at some point, then I strongly disagree. (Anecdotally, look at how the "Sid Meyer Civilization" games keep changing... early ones had the player traveling to Alpha Centari to win, and more recent ones have a much smaller scope of establishing a colony on Mars. As time goes by, I think the optimism of the 1950s space age are slowly facing the realism of physics and engineering.)

            • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday August 10 2021, @08:41PM (1 child)

              by fustakrakich (6150) on Tuesday August 10 2021, @08:41PM (#1165577) Journal

              In the next century we might dig a little deeper than two miles into the earth's crust before asteroid mining ever becomes viable

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 11 2021, @01:17AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 11 2021, @01:17AM (#1165636)

                There are eight mines in the world deeper than two miles, the deepest being 2.5 miles [wikipedia.org].

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 10 2021, @06:08PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 10 2021, @06:08PM (#1165512)

      and Tesla should make their cars "free battery for life!". make it easy to swap out and do it for free. then, those EVs start sounding much better.

  • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 10 2021, @12:39PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 10 2021, @12:39PM (#1165390)

    ... comes from all of the burnt out Teslas when the autopilot fails...

  • (Score: 2) by looorg on Tuesday August 10 2021, @01:44PM (2 children)

    by looorg (578) on Tuesday August 10 2021, @01:44PM (#1165404)

    So which 8% is it that can't be recycled? What happens at/or is this "Black Mass Enrichment" (about 3%) and "Purification" (about 5%) processes?

    • (Score: 2) by agr on Tuesday August 10 2021, @02:13PM (1 child)

      by agr (7134) on Tuesday August 10 2021, @02:13PM (#1165413)

      With a recycling facility at the plant, it will be easier to try modifications to the battery design and manufacturing process to reduce the waste fraction further.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 10 2021, @09:30PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 10 2021, @09:30PM (#1165591)

        And if it impacts charge capacity verses weight, what's the customer gonna do? Write a letter? Tweet their woes?

  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by ElizabethGreene on Tuesday August 10 2021, @05:22PM (1 child)

    by ElizabethGreene (6748) on Tuesday August 10 2021, @05:22PM (#1165492) Journal

    The battery packs weigh between 1,000 pounds (model 3) and 1900 pounds (roadster).

    I infer from this that they had ~3,000 packs to recycle to hit that number last year. If they included packs recycled because they fail QA that would drive the number lower.

    Today's 1 month out future contract prices:
    Cobalt $52,500/ton
    Copper $8,686/ton
    Nickel $18,596/ton

    That's ~$30 million in materials recovered. I wonder what the PPE & process costs were.

    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 11 2021, @01:31PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 11 2021, @01:31PM (#1165739)

      Is the Personal Protective Equipment something we really need to worry about at this level?

      Unless it requires extreme measures to keep people safe, if should be easily worth it at $30M saved.

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