Windows 11 arrives on October 5, Android apps will come later"
Windows 11 is no longer merely "coming this fall." Microsoft will begin releasing the new operating system to the public on October 5, starting with newer PCs (and PCs being sold in stores) and then rolling out to other supported systems over the next nine or so months. The company also says that the Amazon-powered Android app support that's coming to Windows 11 won't be ready for public consumption at launch; Microsoft will offer "a preview [of Android apps in the Microsoft Store] for Windows Insiders over the coming months."
Like recent Windows 10 updates, Windows 11 will have a phased rollout through Windows Update—most PCs won't begin to see and automatically install the update on October 5. Microsoft says that new PCs will be the first to upgrade, followed by older compatible PCs, "based on intelligence models that consider hardware eligibility, reliability metrics, age of device and other factors." As with Windows 10 updates, you'll be able to download an ISO file to initiate the upgrade yourself (Microsoft also offers tools like the Windows Update Assistant to manually trigger upgrade installs, which we assume it will do for Windows 11, too). All compatible PCs should be offered the update by mid-2022.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by bzipitidoo on Tuesday September 07 2021, @03:24AM (5 children)
Saw more than one Windows 8,1 installation get completely borked by the forced upgrade to 10.
Or is this going to be more like upgrading from Linux kernel 4 to 5, in which the change in major version numbers doesn't mean anything significant?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 07 2021, @03:54AM
It says it right there. The showdown is in mid-2022.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Opportunist on Tuesday September 07 2021, @08:25AM (1 child)
Make sure you have an "incompatible" computer and you should be safe.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 07 2021, @04:46PM
That wasn't true the last time round. https://www.computerworld.com/article/3089071/customer-wins-10k-judgement-from-microsoft-over-unauthorized-windows-10-upgrade.html [computerworld.com]
(Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 07 2021, @04:43PM (1 child)
Funny how Microsoft got away with what would be considered a computer crime if done by you or me. Imagine if you force upgraded thousands of people's machines against their wishes.
Microsoft was even changing the way the dialog box worked: https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/67367/upgradegate-microsofts-upgrade-deceptions-undermining-windows-10 [thurrott.com]
https://mashable.com/article/windows-10-upgrade-snafu-analysis [mashable.com]
It should be considered a crime. If it isn't then why can't malware writers get away with doing the same thing?
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Tuesday September 07 2021, @05:57PM
Surprised i'm the first to mod this up!
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. I have always been here. ---Gaaark 2.0 --
(Score: 4, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday September 07 2021, @05:07AM (10 children)
It's just Windows 10, under the hood. Some of you really like the idea of a start button near the center of the screen? Mehh - some hacker can give that to you, if he hasn't already.
Of course, if you're happy with Win 10, there's no compelling reason not to upgrade. Same old advertising, telemetry, and surveillance under the hood. In the end, it's your call.
If you really like Windows 10, but would like it without the surveillance, try Windows Server 2022. It's kinda nice, really. Win 10 with all the server functions, without the surveillance. Nice. And the start button is still in the corner, where it belongs. Be a revolutionary - pirate your next operating system! Better yet, be even more revolutionary, and join us in Unix Land!
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Subsentient on Tuesday September 07 2021, @06:19AM (4 children)
Or you could just install Linux and get off the Microsoft treadmill altogether. I've been using Linux since I was 13, so for most of my life now.
To me, Windows is what's alien, and Linux is what's well-known. I take a strange sense of pride in that.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." -Jiddu Krishnamurti
(Score: 4, Interesting) by epitaxial on Tuesday September 07 2021, @12:45PM (3 children)
Great. Point me towards the Linux build of Solidworks. Oh there isn't even a Mac version much less Linux? You don't say...
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Tuesday September 07 2021, @06:02PM (1 child)
Email the maker and tell them to get their act the f*ck together and support a REAL OS.
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. I have always been here. ---Gaaark 2.0 --
(Score: 2) by DeVilla on Friday September 10 2021, @03:00PM
That never worked for my wife's geneology software. I've tried several time, but I was never as abrasive about it as you were. Does that work for you?
(Score: 2) by Subsentient on Wednesday September 08 2021, @12:57AM
Virtualization and Wine.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." -Jiddu Krishnamurti
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 07 2021, @07:16PM (1 child)
Be a revolutionary you say, then quote a ditty about how wonderful it was that an authoritarian government caught and executed a revolutionary.
Do you even English? Or do you knee jerk post it because of V For Vendetta?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday September 07 2021, @07:33PM
Who is remembered more - Guy, or the people Guy was revolting against?
No, to be honest, I'm not an Anglophile. Fuck the royalty, and fuck that whole monarchy thing. I'm quite sick of England and the UK pretending to be a democracy, when they prop up a monarch and all their lords and ladies and knights, etc. That whole 24/7 surveillance system disgusts me. But, there is a theory that people get the government they deserve, so I suppose the Brits deserve what they have.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 07 2021, @08:48PM (2 children)
This past week I've gotten Linux Mint installed on my old Win7 box. Slowly getting things moved over from my Macbook Pro, since Apple joined Microsoft in spying on their
slavesusers. If I can get this old box set up with everything I'm used to using on the Mac, or the equivilent, then I plan to buy a mini-PC and put Mint on it as my daily use machine (instead of the MacMini I was planning to buy). I'd prefer an AMD-based mini-PC, but seems like Intel ones are more available and have better Linux driver support for the included video chips. I just might not have found the right one to buy, though. (I'm aware of System76 machines, but having played a bit with Ubuntu and Pop!_OS, I think I prefer Mint.) Pointers to Linux-ready miniPC systems would be welcomed.I'm not really enjoying this, I must admit. I wanted in retirement to just be another clueless user like the masses, but if I have to go through this to have an OS that won't spy on me, so be it. No, I don't have anything that's illegal... today. Who knows what will be illegal tomorrow? Be a shame if that Dukes of Hazzard wallpaper I have gets me 20 years in the camps.
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Wednesday September 08 2021, @01:53PM (1 child)
Ryzen 5700U - $659.99
https://www.newegg.com/asus-pn51-e1-bb7000xtd/p/N82E16856110212 [newegg.com]
Ryzen 4800U - $591.99
https://www.newegg.com/asrock-4x4-box-4800u/p/N82E16856158069 [newegg.com]
Ryzen 4500U - $399.99 (Currently on Sale)
https://www.newegg.com/asrock-4x4-box-4500u/p/N82E16856158070 [newegg.com]
They exist and you can buy them. Those are all "barebones", though. So, you'll need to supply your own SSD/NVMe SSD and RAM.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 08 2021, @04:25PM
Thank you. I'd been looking at the ASUS PN51, but some have had trouble getting working drivers for the graphics in that one, so I hesitated. I'll look into the Asrock ones.
Thanks for replying. It is truly appreciated.
(Score: 2) by Snotnose on Tuesday September 07 2021, @08:48AM (2 children)
I can't think of a single app I want to run on my laptop. Most of the apps I use are just stripped down Windows programs anyway (calendar, notepad, etc).
Of course I'm against DEI. Donald, Eric, and Ivanka.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by richtopia on Tuesday September 07 2021, @02:12PM (1 child)
I can: those stupid apps that don't have a website. I want a proper keyboard and screen.
I wonder how information sharing will work in Windows, such as location or Google Play Services. I already disable the built-in Windows location service, but most apps aren't happy without knowing EVERYTHING.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday September 07 2021, @07:44PM
Get familiar with DISM. It's pretty much the only way to disable/remove a lot of the intrusive nonsense. It's best to have your installation media at hand, and use DISM to remove the app store, disable Cortana, etc. DISM can remove some of the crap after installation, but it's more effective if used before you install.
One of many guides available - https://www.minitool.com/news/remove-windows-10-bloatware.html [minitool.com]
And, I'll note that it is much easier to manage the bloatware on Pro or Enterprise versions of Windows, than on the more consumer-oriented versions.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Marand on Tuesday September 07 2021, @09:15AM
With Windows 11's new hardware requirements (TPM and SecureBoot support) comes games requiring them to be enabled to function [pcgamesn.com] in the name of "anti-cheat". Not really a surprise that Valorant's the first, considering Riot was also on the bleeding-edge of kernel-level anti-cheat as well as doing VM detection to block Linux users like me that use GPU passthrough. Fuck them and their invasive anti-consumer bullshit.
Other anticheat makers (BattlEye) followed suit and started adopting other shitty behaviours (like VM detection), so it's only a matter of time before TPM and SecureBoot become mandatory for people playing PC games, even if Windows itself only treats them as soft reqs (available but not necessarily enabled). And don't expect "vote with your wallet" to do any good, because people are actually praising this garbage just like they praised VM-user bans and kernel-level anticheat. Any amount of bullshit is acceptable as long as it blocks a cheater or two, apparently.
Not much changes for me, I'll continue to treat competitive multiplayer games with invasive anticheat systems as hostile and actively avoid them, but I still find it to be a concerning trend because people are practically begging for PCs to be turned into locked-down user-hostile appliances. General-purpose computing is slowly dying, cheered on by morons that only care about getting their next shitty FPS or MOBA fix.
(Score: 2) by SomeGuy on Tuesday September 07 2021, @01:37PM (2 children)
Doesn't this all seem very quick and forced? Windows "11" doesn't give anybody anything they need and throws in a bunch of fake minimum hardware requirements. All you get is the fancy number 11, advertising, and more lockdown.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 07 2021, @04:02PM (1 child)
But... these go to 11.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Tuesday September 07 2021, @06:05PM
and....you can't dust for vomit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. I have always been here. ---Gaaark 2.0 --
(Score: 2) by Ingar on Tuesday September 07 2021, @07:53PM
Starting with the june 2022 update, Windows 11 activation will include a vaccination status check.
Non-vax'ed won't be allowed to play multiplayer games or post on social media.
We shouldn't forget Microsoft has been preparing the Next Generation Secure Computing Base for over
two decades. With TPM as a requirement, we're finally there. A number of events have nicely coincided to push the future forward:
Intel's Alder Lake is a good excuse to buy new shiny gadgets, and with the world in full think-about-the-children mode and the paradigm shift
to work from home, these shiny gadgets must bring a safer and securer society!
But, as we all know, we're in the 'bad' phase of the windows good-bad release cycle, and none of this won't happen before Windows 12.
Love is a three-edged sword: heart, mind, and reality.