The COP process has tried and failed for years to include an acknowledgment that the climate crisis has been caused by the burning of fossil fuels. Coal is the single biggest source of greenhouse gases and phasing it out was a key priority of COP26 President Alok Sharma.
But despite that progress, the text doesn't reflect the urgency expressed by international scientists in their "code red for humanity" climate report published in August. Rather, it defers more action on reducing fossil fuel emissions to next year. The UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change reported the world needs to roughly halve emissions over the next decade.
Also at Washington Post and www.aljazeera.com
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Just days after voting to water down restrictions on fossil fuel use at COP26, India finds itself struggling to deal with the consequences of fossil fuel use.
New Delhi Braces for Emergency Measures as Toxic Smog Worsens
New Delhi braces for emergency measures as toxic smog worsens:
A thick haze of toxic smog hung over the Indian capital, exacerbated by a spike in the burning of crop waste in surrounding farmlands.
It reduced visibility and the Air Quality Index (AQI) hit 470 on a scale of 500, according to the federal pollution control board. This level of pollution means the air will affect healthy people and seriously impact those with existing diseases.
According to the pollution board's "Graded Response Action Plan," air quality remaining "severe" for 48 hours must prompt states and local bodies to impose emergency measures that include shutting down schools, imposing 'odd-even' restrictions on private cars based on their number plates, and stopping all construction.
In a circular late on Friday, the board said the government and private offices should reduce the use of private transport by 30% and advised the city's residents to limit outdoor exposure.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Sunday November 14 2021, @12:10AM
What "urgency" are you expecting? Any "For sale" signs on the those nice planes they rode in on?
Have the next shindig at a power plant, or a coal mine. Or at least somewhere with better weather than Scotland in November..
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 14 2021, @12:45AM (25 children)
Think of just how narions aren't required to include their military fossil fuel use in calculating their national goals - and the US military is the largest fossil fuel consumer on the planet.
3.0° is more likely.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by RedGreen on Sunday November 14 2021, @01:33AM (19 children)
Let alone everyone lying about the emissions they already produce under reporting them. The rich bastards will let nothing stand in the way of them getting even richer. Until we kill them all off we will not have hope in hell of getting anything done. And that includes the parasite corporations, who are the problem and always have been the problem. The lie that they do anything good for people is just that the biggest lie told. They do nothing but make the rich scum richer at the cost of everyone else, the environment. Most people are just as bad I see very little effort made by them around the world to do anything to change to help this planet, they all want the new shinny toys the massive useless house and cars. In short I would say your puny little rise number is off by a mile it will be much higher. But on the brighter side when we have killed ourselves off the world will continue on its merry way the plants and animals that survive will continue. I for one am not unhappy with that we have been a useless blight on the planet who do not deserve to survive.
Those people are not attacking Tesla dealerships. They are tourists showing love. I learned that on Jan. 6, 2021.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by bzipitidoo on Sunday November 14 2021, @05:22AM (11 children)
Oh, don't let the dramamongers sucker you into despair. And don't buy that crap that we all deserve to die, for being so stupid and greedy. That's social conservative End Times rot. Mind, it often does seem the most effective solution is to kill lots of people now to avoid lots more death later, carefully selecting for life the best of us. But that is of course totally impractical. The gentlest way out of this mess was to have started early on population reduction through simply lowering the birth rate. May be too late for that now, to help stop Global Warming, but it's still a real good idea. World governments could pay people to accept totally voluntary sterilization.
If however it really is too late to avoid catastrophe and millions of deaths, first against the wall ought to be the leaders of Exxon and the other Big Oil companies who lied and propagandized the whole world, to deny this serious problem. If some of us survive, there will be a whole lot of revolutionary changes to society. Might decide that capitalism doesn't work so great after all.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by khallow on Sunday November 14 2021, @05:43AM (4 children)
Makes you wonder who the "social conservatives" are, right? Funny how you scold and then embrace these narratives.
What propaganda? It's remarkable how these tales live on without evidence. The Koch brothers throw a small amount of money at their favorite vanity projects and it becomes some huge scheme. Meanwhile environmentalists and government allies have thrown huge sums at this.
My take is that if you want to know who lied and propagandized to the whole world, you need to look in a mirror first. People don't want a bunch of nihilistic, Calvinist jerks who are more interested in demonizing humanity than in solving real problems. Just in this thread, we have people wanking off to human extinction and voluntary sterilization. Some people will support that, but not a sane population.
Meanwhile they're ignoring that the developed world has already solved most of these problems. Go with what works - not religious belief systems that have caused tremendous harm over the millennia.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 14 2021, @10:11AM (3 children)
That's bullshit. Utter bullshit. It clearly shows how the propaganda has gotten into your head. And probably most people.
1. env. groups and gov allies?? WTF is that? what allies? Allies of Geenpeace? The only thing that Greenpeace managed to do is to temporarily stop the no-longer-profitable-anyway wale slaughter and that was not even so effective as idiotic nations like Japan continue to subsidize whale killing regardless. So which fucking allies are you talking about??? The ones that pose for a photo opp so they get a few more votes but can't make hard decisions because kick the can down the road?
2. you need to look in a mirror first -- well said. YOU do that now.
What is this nonsense? Are you retarded? OIL PRODUCTION IS AT ALL TIME HIGH! COAL PRODUCTION, GAS, SAME SHIT!? WTF are you eating for breakfast that makes you so fucking detached from reality?? Or did you read somewhere that if you put a bunch of this shit or another and "implementation is left as exercise to the reader"?
WTF are you talking about? Someone chooses to have a vasectomy doesn't mean "human extinction".
Insanity.
Get your head around real problems, not imaginary. But if you are one of these buffoons that doesn't want COVID vaccine because their immune system is great, then I don't have much hope you can even think abstractly enough to understand problems like global warming. And there are a lot of these idiots around.
When you call AGW a "solved problem", give me a break. Nonsense.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Sunday November 14 2021, @04:13PM (2 children)
For a glaring example, try this exercise: show that the entirety of Big Oil propaganda spends more than governments spend on IPCC and its reports (a bit more than $10 million a year). You won't be able to do it. It's not even within an order of magnitude.
Greenpeace has a much higher budget than IPCC which in turn has a higher budget that the totality of Big Oil climate change propaganda. It's fascinating how there's all this hysteria about this, but no actual evidence to back it up. It's not like propaganda campaigns are invisible, right?
Look in the mirror bud, if you want to look for the retard. Look at the consumption. All that growth is driven by the developing world. And it exists because they're raising their people out of poverty, not because of Big Oil cooties. That brings us to the key failings here. First, ignoring why we burn fossil fuels. We don't do it to hate Mother Earth or to make rich companies richer. We do it because we want a better society and better lives. There's this huge inability to understand other peoples' point of view.
Second, ignoring that climate change mitigation and the research backing it has a deservedly seedy reputation. Climate change is always an impending disaster which never happens. Sorry, you're just a bunch of Chicken Littles, always whining that the sky is falling. And when evidence that doesn't confirm your biases comes out, like say the developed world's remarkable success with dealing with the problems that have afflicted human civilization since it first went agricultural way back when, like poverty, lack of freedom, overpopulation, etc, well, that just gets roundly ignored.
It's not imaginary fossil fuel propaganda that caused your arguments to lose traction. It's your own perfidy and hysteria.
As an aside, consider the language of this story illustrates the myopia of the climate change side. The reporters who wrote this story heralded a bit of minor bureaucratic language as if it were some huge breakthrough. They also use jargon as if it were common language, "COP26". COP stands for "Conference of the Parties" (we all use that every day, right?) and 26 is just the 26th iteration of this particular process. Here, CNN is selling this as hard as it can, using the fad jargon of the day to feign knowledge. That's what passes for reporting on climate change.
Finally, you have no solutions. My solution, which is the one that almost the entire world is implementing right now, is to turn the entire world into developed world. It checks off all the boxes: deals with overpopulation, war, standard of living, environmental problems, etc. It's time to go with what works rather than a neo-Calvinist narrative that doesn't fix anything.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 15 2021, @08:23AM (1 child)
Ok, ignoring the fact that IPCC reports are scientific paper-pushing by governments to kick the snowball down past next election.. Let's ignore that.
https://corporate.exxonmobil.com/About-us/Policy/Political-contributions-and-lobbying [exxonmobil.com]
In 2020, ExxonMobil reported federal lobbying expenses totaling $8.69 million in its public Lobbying Disclosure Act filings.
And that's just Exxon. And only for direct lobbying. And only in US. But where am I blaming Big Oil?? I'm not blaming Big Oil anymore than people born. I'm not blaming poor people wanting to live better. I'm blaming the INACTION of our Great Leaders to rub their two braincells together and come up with a cohesive plan.
Fossil fuel IS DEAD. There is no way around it. I'm not blaming Exxon or you or anyone for that either. It's just a fact that must happen.
Thanks for being mind reader. There is a fucking solution and it does not involve using oil because it's fucking DEAD. Or we'll be. You choose.
The only possible future is to actually replace MOST fossil fuel usage. Idiotic shit like heating houses with gas. Geothermal heatpumps or even air systems are here. As cheap as gas or cheaper. My sister's house has been running that shit for 20 YEARS! It already saved 2x on energy than what would have been spent on gas in the first place -- and yeah, that was during the times of the cheap gas. And before you jump in and spew bullshit about cold, she lives in Canada, the part north of North Dakota, and if you know the area, that is fucking cold area. And simple 20 YEAR OLD heat pump saved money on heating more than it's install cost, TWICE. Today, these things are even more efficient. Installing gas to heat anything today is fucking stupid and shortsighted and should be banned. Move to heat pumps. We are not burning coal in cities to heat houses either -- your lungs are thankful for that, no? If you want to experience the free market for coal, go to Poland or Beijing in the winter and enjoy unfettered lung disease. And this is just one thing. Why are we putting in gas lines into new housing developments?? WTF? That's such WASTE.
Build fucking nuclear power to replace base base load.
Build the fucking power grid instead of blocking because "I have mine, fuck you, I don't want to see some wires on the horizon". Solution is not greenwashing the problem.
And in developing world, WTF? Solar panels are cheap but people run fucking generators to power their air con to keep cold in the middle of the day!!! And insulation, "wtf is that"? Icon roofs like oven with air con on a fucking generator! And of course not a solar panel in sight. Developing world doesn't need to develop like the fucking Industrial Revolution. We have tech now that doesn't need to be re-invented.
And what is that works in your head?? What overpopulation? The one that government pays to have kids because fucking economic consumption MUST grow every year? That one? Or does that only apply in the shit hole countries where the evangelicals preach that birth control is evil while people like you say they are "overpopulated"? If your solution is "overpopulation is the problem", then you need to rub those braincells much harder. We need solutions, not blame games.
I will not even bother with the rest. It's time to realize that what happens around the word affects YOU too. If someone burns a tree in Brazil to make cheap meat because people want cheap meat, that affects YOU too. When poor nations drive 20 year old cars thrown out from Europe, that pollution affects YOUI too. When India builds a coal power plant instead of solar or nuclear or wind, that affects YOU too.
The air we breathe? It's same air in Beijing and Washington and Calcutta. That's why we need everyone (at least of the so called Great Leaders) to buy into this or we're all fucked, no matter what YOU do.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday November 15 2021, @02:48PM
We have a couple of decades of alarmism that says otherwise. Let's ignore that, sure. /sarc
Looks like I got your mind right. There's no "Or we'll be" here. You're just another Chicken Little going off half cocked because climate change is scary. Of course, I'll hear that "But but but". Don't waste my time unless you're going to back your feelings with hard evidence. And fortunately, evidence presently isn't on your side.
Remember those IPCC reports that you complained was just "kick the snowball down past next election". That's your best evidence right there. They've hyped climate change as much as they can and still retain some appearance of credibility. But well, climate change isn't following their models.
So you're saying that you save a modest amount on your heating bill in exchange for a significant capital investment that can't also be used to cook your food. The "fucking stupid" just isn't that fucking stupid. You need to learn what the cost/benefits are before you mouth off.
Remember your complaint about coal power in Poland? Well, Germany is buying that because they got rid of their nuclear power. That's your foresight in action. They just decided that the sky was falling a little faster with nuclear power than with climate change.
Well, what of your hard stop to most fossil fuel burning does a thing about that?
I assure you, they're not paying people to have more kids in Africa. And contrary to your narrative, overpopulation is indeed the big problem. We wouldn't have climate change issues in the first place without the high populations in the developed world. And second, there's the usual environmentalist blindness is to the fact that poor people are high fertility people. Dumb choices like completely restructuring our energy and transportation systems cause more poor people and that causes more people down the road. My take is that it won't be sustainable, especially if more Chicken Little causes (like ending nuclear power) rear their ugly heads and duplicate the process of making more poor people.
Instead you need something that's sustainable for thousands or more years, not merely something that might hold together for a few decades before environment-destroying die-offs start happening.
It's also time to realize that just because something affects YOU too, doesn't mean that it affects you in a universally negative way. That cheap meat means more people with better standard of living and lower fertility. That coal plant means India can go for that negative population developed world status sooner and the people who depend on that coal power will be more of a benefit to the rest of us rather than a burden. There's costs and benefits, and it's time to recognize those many benefits.
It's not what I or YOU do. It's what almost 8 billion people do. Right now, they're fixing those problems you claim about. They're making the world and their lives better. It's time for you to get out of the way.
(Score: 2) by RedGreen on Sunday November 14 2021, @06:09AM (5 children)
"Oh, don't let the dramamongers sucker you into despair. And don't buy that crap that we all deserve to die, for being so stupid and greedy."
That is not why I think that but as you say the Exxons of the world should go first along with the super rich parasites that enabled all this to happen, I am fine with the rest of us surviving but I hold out little hope of change. I will be dead soon enough I will not have to worry about the worst of it coming, I do feel a little bad for those will have to live through the next few centuries of misery. But what else is new this world has been trash for thousands of years will be for the same in the future because deep down we will never change as people. This will have little impact on the way societies are run those in power will continue to fix it in their favor, even when they get thrown out the next bunch do the same god damn thing they just chopped all them peoples heads off for. The circle will continue as it has since it began it is who we are by our very nature, nobody will ever convince me of anything different, thousand of years of repeating the same mistakes tells me this. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it and we sure as hell have not learned a damn thing ever...
Those people are not attacking Tesla dealerships. They are tourists showing love. I learned that on Jan. 6, 2021.
(Score: 1, Troll) by bzipitidoo on Sunday November 14 2021, @01:50PM (2 children)
> thousand of years of repeating the same mistakes
We can and do learn from our mistakes. This has been an Age of the Engineer, somewhat to the detriment of the social sciences. We've been engineering our way out of messes that we're going to fall right back into, unless we work on ourselves. There's little point in carbon capture, reduction of carbon emissions, or any of the other measures to deal with Global Warming if we don't do anything about the underlying human stupidity that got us into this jam. And there, I see some hope. We understand demagoguery and authoritarianism much better now. We still don't have solutions, but we are progressing.
> the next bunch do the same god damn thing
On this, one of the biggest problems I'm seeing is the human penchant for denying our own responsibility. Blame anyone else, everyone else, but me. Authoritarians take that to ludicrous extremes. The whole thing about pining for great leaders and heroes is the notion that these super people relieve us of that burden of responsibility. Yes, those leaders in Big Oil sold us a bill of goods. But, we were dumb enough to buy it, despite ample signs that something didn't add up. We were too trusting of these leaders of capitalism, wanted too much for them to be benevolent and heroic, and wanted to hear that all was sunshine and happiness, and that really is our own fault.
What can you and I, personally, do about it? I bought a used Nissan Leaf. Needed another car in a hurry when my grandmother's car abruptly manifested a design flaw for which no repair short of replacing the engine would do. I junked it, and got that Leaf. Next, I'm thinking of putting solar on my roof. Again, these are engineering sorts of moves, and even just viewing the technical hurdles to them, there are a lot of hard questions. Is there enough lithium in the world for everyone to go battery electric? Can the electric grid handle it? Well, I daresay that in Texas, it certainly can't!
But what of the social problems? We sure do love to travel. There's something magical about travel, a sense of progress, of motion and action that will be to our benefit somehow. And perhaps travel also has an element of leaving our troubles behind, running away from them, and the responsibility. We need to channel this into more virtual and less physical. That battery electric car is all very well, but we have this wonderful contrivance, the Internet, and we've been slow to adapt and employ its full potential to really cut down on all that traveling. The engineering is there, what is lacking is our will.
Put not your faith in princes.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 14 2021, @04:02PM
For the real deal, just legalize psilocybin. No need for your puny internet and engineering.
(Score: 2) by RedGreen on Sunday November 14 2021, @04:13PM
"We can and do learn from our mistakes. This has been an Age of the Engineer, somewhat to the detriment of the social sciences. We've been engineering our way out of messes that we're going to fall right back into, unless we work on ourselves. There's little point in carbon capture, reduction of carbon emissions, or any of the other measures to deal with Global Warming if we don't do anything about the underlying human stupidity that got us into this jam. And there, I see some hope. We understand demagoguery and authoritarianism much better now. We still don't have solutions, but we are progressing."
Un huh sure we do this is why the cycle repeats itself again now as we speak, we are in the middle of a world wide infection from a deadly disease and we cannot even get the morons to get vaccinated. Let alone use sensible precautions to prevent its spread. The authoritarians are on the rise and moving fast to cement their grip on power in ALL the countries on this planet. The useless idiots who have the chance to stop them pull a Rodney King and go "can we all just get all and get around the camp fire and sing kumbaya", now that pops into my head the religious freaks are going strong too in their quest to subvert humanity. In short the forces of darkness are upon us and people are not doing anything to really fight it or the other problems.
"On this, one of the biggest problems I'm seeing is the human penchant for denying our own responsibility. Blame anyone else, everyone else, but me. Authoritarians take that to ludicrous extremes. The whole thing about pining for great leaders and heroes is the notion that these super people relieve us of that burden of responsibility. Yes, those leaders in Big Oil sold us a bill of goods. But, we were dumb enough to buy it, despite ample signs that something didn't add up. We were too trusting of these leaders of capitalism, wanted too much for them to be benevolent and heroic, and wanted to hear that all was sunshine and happiness, and that really is our own fault."
Indeed it is.
"What can you and I, personally, do about it? I bought a used Nissan Leaf. Needed another car in a hurry when my grandmother's car abruptly manifested a design flaw for which no repair short of replacing the engine would do. I junked it, and got that Leaf. Next, I'm thinking of putting solar on my roof. Again, these are engineering sorts of moves, and even just viewing the technical hurdles to them, there are a lot of hard questions. Is there enough lithium in the world for everyone to go battery electric? Can the electric grid handle it? Well, I daresay that in Texas, it certainly can't!"
We need mass transit not individual that IS the problem the wasted resources producing that supposed environment friendly vehicle that creates so many toxic compounds. Now they talk about how the electric car is going to save coal I see the green washing articles start to arrive, at the summit COP26 that was supposed to save this planet there were more oil company delegates that anyone else there. Then the useless scum who arrived on their airplanes the most polluting source of transportation on this planet did next to nothing to get reductions in their lying emission targets. The all kinds of exemptions, the under reporting of them emissions used as the base to start no means of enforcing any good damn thing agreed to.
"But what of the social problems? We sure do love to travel. There's something magical about travel, a sense of progress, of motion and action that will be to our benefit somehow. And perhaps travel also has an element of leaving our troubles behind, running away from them, and the responsibility. We need to channel this into more virtual and less physical. That battery electric car is all very well, but we have this wonderful contrivance, the Internet, and we've been slow to adapt and employ its full potential to really cut down on all that traveling. The engineering is there, what is lacking is our will.
Put not your faith in princes."
And that is the problem the movement on this planet god forbid the airlines should ever not fly, in January 2020 if they had shut down the airports for a month COVID would have been eradicated from this planet. Even better if they had done it in December 2019 and not listened to the murdering Chinese government scum. Let alone have a bunch of idiots in charge of governments around this word who went out of their way to ensure people died trying to create the chaos needed for their take over of their country by the fascist garbage that is a damn high percentage of our populations.
Those people are not attacking Tesla dealerships. They are tourists showing love. I learned that on Jan. 6, 2021.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 14 2021, @03:58PM (1 child)
> the next few centuries of misery
If you look closely, you'll see 90% of humans today live in what you consider misery. Think of the poor people!
(Score: 2) by RedGreen on Sunday November 14 2021, @04:21PM
"If you look closely, you'll see 90% of humans today live in what you consider misery. Think of the poor people!"
And if you looked closely you will notice I mentioned the thousands of years of misery endured by all, already in that posting.
Those people are not attacking Tesla dealerships. They are tourists showing love. I learned that on Jan. 6, 2021.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 14 2021, @10:34AM (6 children)
Yes, that is one of the saddest things. I see a lot of greenwashing - "but I offset my emissions..."
But I don't despair about climate too much. Humans are definitely the 6th Great Extinction in the making, but we are the ones that will have to adapt because of our own actions. Our future world will NOT be the world we inherited but hopefully we will not destroy it. I worry more about idiots with weapons (think US or China or Russia and nuclear wepons) than catastrophic global warming scenarios since I think we will be smart enough to avoid the worse global warming once the shit starts hitting the fan.
Anyway, my only hope in humanity is Elon Fucking Musk and his SpaceX getting us to Mars. Maybe sad, but humanity needs a distraction and some hope in the future. And our only hope is to "go forth and multiply". If we fail to reach another planet and colonize it, we might as well be extinct anyway.
(Score: 2) by RedGreen on Sunday November 14 2021, @03:48PM (5 children)
"But I don't despair about climate too much. Humans are definitely the 6th Great Extinction in the making, but we are the ones that will have to adapt because of our own actions. Our future world will NOT be the world we inherited but hopefully we will not destroy it. I worry more about idiots with weapons (think US or China or Russia and nuclear wepons) than catastrophic global warming scenarios since I think we will be smart enough to avoid the worse global warming once the shit starts hitting the fan."
The world will survive even if the morons use the nuclear weapons. Life will exist after that and will thrive without our interference just like it always has. We are but a minor blip in the time scale of our planets history and will be so long after we are gone. Hopefully Musky goes with the trip and takes his shit with him I grow tired of the lying sack of shit. He knows full well it is next to impossible to get humans on mars, the moon yeah we can do that the exposure to the radiation can be managed but on a longer mission the shielding to do it makes it hard as hell to get there. Let alone having to bring all them supplies to last for years on end. Good luck seeing if you ever can get anything produced on the planet to sustain a colony, it is not like loading up the van for a camping trip you are talking dozens if not hundreds of missions to get that done. All of them taking an long time to get there then have to be safely landed on the planet and survive the extreme temperatures. The biggest con in human history run by one of the biggest con men around.
Those people are not attacking Tesla dealerships. They are tourists showing love. I learned that on Jan. 6, 2021.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 14 2021, @04:06PM (1 child)
His whole schtick is PR to incite hero-worship in drooling aspie retards. Yes, you're saving Western civilization with your bitcoin and racy social commentary. Back in the basement.
(Score: 2) by RedGreen on Sunday November 14 2021, @04:17PM
"His whole schtick is PR to incite hero-worship in drooling aspie retards. Yes, you're saving Western civilization with your bitcoin and racy social commentary. "
Indeed, though I wish I had kept them thousands of shitcoin or the hundreds of thousands of lightcoin I had from the start of it all, I would have that assholes kind of money now.
Those people are not attacking Tesla dealerships. They are tourists showing love. I learned that on Jan. 6, 2021.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday November 14 2021, @04:51PM (2 children)
You might not have noticed from under your rock, but SpaceX has made a habit of doing the impossible. Sure, putting people on Mars and establishing a colony is beyond their means now, but that might be the case in a few decades. We'll just have to see. I think also you're exaggerating the impossibility of a Martian colony, much like you've exaggerated other things. For example, radiation is just a matter of bringing shielding mass. We've figured out how to put that mass in orbit with SpaceX rockets. Similar, "dozens to hundreds" of launches can be greatly reduced by using those copious Martian resources which have everything needed for life and industrial infrastructure.
(Score: 2) by RedGreen on Sunday November 14 2021, @05:26PM (1 child)
"You might not have noticed from under your rock, but SpaceX has made a habit of doing the impossible. Sure, putting people on Mars and establishing a colony is beyond their means now, but that might be the case in a few decades. We'll just have to see. I think also you're exaggerating the impossibility of a Martian colony, much like you've exaggerated other things. For example, radiation is just a matter of bringing shielding mass. We've figured out how to put that mass in orbit with SpaceX rockets. Similar, "dozens to hundreds" of launches can be greatly reduced by using those copious Martian resources which have everything needed for life and industrial infrastructure."
Yeah you tell the lies all you want he is a scummy fucker and always will be. He has done nothing that has not been done by others, they had electric cars a hundred years ago. They have been putting people into space on rockets for over sixty. It is nothing new to be doing. You morons that think it is a simple thing to transport yourself to another a planet. You have to get there first with ALL the resources needed and the ability to manufacturer the needed after arriving to survive assuming you can survive the trip. Good ahead and drink the cool aid Jim Jones would be proud of you.
Those people are not attacking Tesla dealerships. They are tourists showing love. I learned that on Jan. 6, 2021.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday November 15 2021, @03:03AM
Truth never is a lie. As for your refrain about "nothing new", that merely informs me that you don't have a clue about what's new with SpaceX and Tesla. For example, answer this simple question: If what SpaceX and Tesla are doing "nothing new", then why didn't SpaceX happen 60 years ago and Tesla 100+ years ago?
SpaceX, for example, is not about the technology. Though the reusability of the Falcon 9 and the first stage's ability to land on a remote controlled barge are new, contrary to assertion, the real newness of SpaceX is in its economics - the high launch frequency generates a considerable economy of scale that helps with technology development and reliability. Anyone could have done that in the past 60 years, but they didn't.
Similarly, several businesses did try to build electric cars and failed. None had serious volume. So Tesla with its relatively high production volume is in new ground, contrary to assertion.
Further, there have been new car manufacture start ups since the Second World War, but no one has approached Tesla's recent volume since the early 50s (Kaiser Motors [wikipedia.org] which was established in 1945 and sold off in 1953). Seems kind of witless to me to complain that it isn't new when it hasn't been done in almost 70 years.
And I notice the usual facile naivety of the critic who knows nothing. You were saying that such a trip/colony to Mars is impossible. I said it was possible. I didn't say it was a "simple thing". That's your words not mine.
My take is that people who view tasks as either impossible or simple, don't have a clue what they are talking about. There's a huge range of difficulties between those two poles. I think rather that what SpaceX eventually ends up doing in this area will depend on how profitable they are and how long Elon Musk lives not so much on the alleged difficulty of going to Mars. If he gets hit by a bus tomorrow, then we likely will not see SpaceX on Mars.
SpaceX has already demonstrated that it can handle extremely difficult projects like devising the process of going to Mars, and its necessary technologies and infrastructure. And do you really think there's a danger of a simple oversight like SpaceX sending people to Mars without supplies? Maybe they need a checklist, right? I'm sure you can write up one for them real quick.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 14 2021, @02:02AM (1 child)
I disagree. After the nukes fly, emissions will return to pre-industrial levels.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 14 2021, @03:38AM
Trading one set of emissions for a worse set doesn't seem like even a pyrrhic victory.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by looorg on Sunday November 14 2021, @01:07PM (2 children)
So was it better when it was in Madrid (COP25), Katowice (COP24), Bonn (COP23), Marrakech (COP22) ... the list goes on. They had a few of these things now and the only thing they have in common is how disappointing they all are afterwards cause they come to fuckall in agreement about anything and things just doesn't change. They have been staging these events now since the 90's. The world is always X years away from disasters and during these years disasters, deadlines and the green apocalypse have come and gone but is still magically always about a decade away. I'm not sure where COP26 will be held but I'm sure they'll achieve about the same as previous COP gatherings.
This is the global circlejerk of politicians as they create another stage to act important, they will select and travel to some spot on the globe in the least green way possible and talk about how the planet is dying and we really should do something but then agree on nothing. Simply cause an agreement of what they want or need is more or less impossible to agree upon, there will always be loopholes and while everyone wants to do something nobody wants to pay for it and the poor people want the rich to pay for them to etc etc. Then there are the 100000+ demonstrators from across the globe that will make their way there to have some demonstrations about cutting something. I guess the resources consumed for transport there to another pointless event just are worth it to keep the ball rolling.
After all there is always a next COP after the next one and that one will achieve as much as the previous COP event(s). Papers stating some kind of intention or there will be dire consequences but in reality doing a whole lot less, or nothing they wouldn't be doing anyway. After all nobody likes sucking down coal fumes but until a reasonable alternative is around things just isn't going to change. There is always an argument for doing nothing or wait and see since it just doesn't require much except typing and there is always some new great solution just around the corner.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 14 2021, @04:08PM (1 child)
They need to host them in nicer places - Seychelles would be popular. Maybe New Zealand? Tahiti? Nobody going to Glasgow is going to be in an agreeable mood.
(Score: 2) by looorg on Sunday November 14 2021, @04:23PM
Good news everybody! The next two events COP27 will be in Sharm El Sheikh in Egypt and COP28 will be in the United arab emirates. So it will be nice and sunny. More agreeable places. Somehow I doubt all the politicians that make it to a COP event will be living in squalor. I suspect first class hotels, pampering to the max and fancy dinners around the clock. Considering the next two locations I somehow doubt we'll see the same level of protestors out and about. The police in those countries tend to be a bit more stick then carrot.
But seriously they have even planned for this events for years to come. So one loser year (after another) apparently doesn't matter to much, after all it's less then a year then to the next one where they can tell the world how it's going under SOON and the green apocalypse is already here. There is just always another event. What exactly do they think will have happened for and by the next event that will have changed anything? Wishful thinking? Perhaps Greta was right when she called it a bla bla bla event and nothing but Greenwashing.
Quoted from the wikipedia page. So here we have some dude that has been to every meeting there have been and his conclusion is that the event is nicer and more successful if the location is nicer. So everyone there is just a spoiled brat then? So much for making sacrifices for the environment. The location has to be nice. Perhaps if they held it in some smog-filled hellhole there would be more urgency? Or I guess the attendance would take a sharp drop. Perhaps that is the issue? The places are held in to nice a place so they all want to come back for more.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Climate_Change_conference [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 14 2021, @02:08AM (3 children)
Get fusion working
Look how much they are investing in it
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-17/investors-get-serious-about-nuclear-fusion-energy-s-eternal-grail [bloomberg.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 14 2021, @02:30AM (2 children)
Whatabout other large emission sources like concrete and hamburgers?
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 14 2021, @03:08AM (1 child)
Thanks for asking, I'll take one 8x12 slab and a big-mac.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 14 2021, @04:11PM
You want rebar with that?
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 14 2021, @03:28AM (4 children)
It's always something: nuclear winter, global ice age, global warming...
The only sure thing is that we sinners must repent before we meet our maker!!! Seek salvation before it is too late!!!
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 14 2021, @03:36AM
Repenting is a good first step. What would be even better is getting your shit together and solving your problems.
(Score: 2) by helel on Sunday November 14 2021, @05:15AM
You know what's great? The drunk driver who insists they're perfectly safe because none of the near missed have killed them yet...
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 14 2021, @07:40AM (1 child)
Rational people: "Can we switch to renewables, promote electric vehicles, and invest in mass transit?"
Rightwingers: "Armaggedon! Persecution! Tyreeny!"*
* this message funded by the fascists unwilling to release their grip
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 14 2021, @10:24AM
Sounds about right. Same people like covidiots that won't wear a mask, will not get vaccinated but then demand best healthcare for themselves (and dump cancer patients or heart patients to the curb) when they to suck oxygen though a tube.
Maybe we need a voter qualification test that only has one requirement -- are you capable of abstract thought?
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 14 2021, @09:52AM (2 children)
The ordinary people trying to get to work, shop, school and home will be punished more and more.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 14 2021, @10:20AM
Yeah, that's all you can think about?
So there is a sign, no dumping into lake. No sewer dumping into lake. That from now on, that stuff needs to go to sewer treatment plant and to an incinerator because no more landfills. And to that, you would also answer "The ordinary people...will be punished more and more."???
You great-great grandpa probably could have dumped their sewage into the lake and it was just fine. Even by today standards, it's fine. But today there is 1000 cottages on the lake and if they do that, the lake is dead.
Same with global warming, except the lake is our AIR and our tech is polluting it because $5 $10 and pollution free and we want MOAR MOAR MOAR! At least for some.
Every change requires work. Changing away from fossil fuels will require work. And it's done so your grandkids are not cursing your names. And what are you complaining about? Because *maybe* temporarily higher prices? Is that it? But at least you'll have work and your energy will be made local. And you'll be able to feed your family.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 14 2021, @04:13PM
Ooooh someone purleease think of the ordinary people lolllll
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 14 2021, @01:51PM (3 children)
I find it odd that you've got so many people on this thread blaming the hordes of humanity that populate the globe as the real problem: people who consume resources to live in comfort. Yet none of these keyboard warriors has chosen to live in a mud hut and live off subsistence farming to ease their share of the burden on poor old Mother Earth. Just like these politicians, it's all posturing and hypocrisy. If they can't even do that, how can I expect them to really take one for the team and kill themselves so as to really lessen their impact on the earth. Think, if all the extreme environmentalists could set a date for a mass die-in and off themselves... Of course this is ridiculous. But then, these ridiculous people wish death on others. Death and privation. But always for others.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 14 2021, @02:27PM (1 child)
They have you insensitive clod, you just don't hear from them because they live in a mud hut and live off subsistence farming
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 14 2021, @04:15PM
Bunch of extremists... lock them up!
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday November 14 2021, @05:29PM
Indeed. If we don't have eight billion people living in developed world comfort, then we're doing it wrong.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 14 2021, @05:12PM
we need energy to make machine that harvest renewable energy.
today, we have non or very little.
why is the talk about limiting fossile fuel use and not about better redirecting it?
i feel manufacturers of machines that make renewable energy harvesting possible should get "greenx credit, not operators.
in the same sense manufacturers of machinery that make possible the destruction of fossile fuels should be financially punished.
we, the majority 99 percent cannot make either machines but we can use both/either.
ther is too much talk about " limiting/stop using" and too little about "enabling"?
if you let 99% of us decide freely, with very little to no limitations on using renewable sources, 99% of world population will do the work.
why do these " delegates" not talk about a free trade agreement on renewable energy harvesting machines or about simplifying the usage if these machines?
if we use less fossile energy, where is the difference gonna come from?
i cannot get rid of the thought that the difference of less usage/availability without addressing the simplification of "renewable machinary to market" will be in the form of areduction of us, the 99% ...