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posted by Fnord666 on Monday February 07 2022, @10:32PM   Printer-friendly
from the taking-a-RISC dept.

India goes RISC-V with VEGA processors

One of the main advantages of RISC-V architecture is that it is open, so any organization with the right skills can develop its own cores, and India's government has taken up this opportunity with the Microprocessor Development Programme (MDP) helping develop VEGA RISC-V cores locally.

Thanks to funding by the Ministry of Electronics and Information Technology (MeitY), the Centre for Development of Advanced Computing (C-DAC) managed to design five RISC-V processors ranging from a single-core 32-bit RISC-V microcontroller-class processor to a Linux capable quad-core 64-bit out-of-order processor.

[...] We should not expect a processor for desktop Linux anytime soon, as AS4161 [the 64-bit quad-core] mostly targets storage and networking applications.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Monday February 07 2022, @10:40PM (7 children)

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday February 07 2022, @10:40PM (#1219535) Journal

    We should not expect a processor for desktop Linux anytime soon

    Back in 1999, just be patient for open source to gain momentum.

    Just be patient for the Linux OS to gain momentum.

    Now all major corporations embrace open source and Linux -- including Microsoft among them.

    Is there any reason to doubt that given time there WILL be desktop Linux RISC V processors? And server class processors?

    Or are we to believe that this simply will never happen, so we can just safely ignore the 'distraction' of RISC V.

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    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday February 08 2022, @12:53AM

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Tuesday February 08 2022, @12:53AM (#1219575) Journal

      We have your RISC-V right here [intc.com].

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 08 2022, @01:22AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 08 2022, @01:22AM (#1219587)

      There are already desktop-class RISC-V chips and boards and plenty of MCUs on the market. If it weren't for the chip shortage, you would be able to buy them, too!

    • (Score: 4, Informative) by RamiK on Tuesday February 08 2022, @01:44AM (2 children)

      by RamiK (1813) on Tuesday February 08 2022, @01:44AM (#1219590)

      Is there any reason to doubt that given time there WILL be desktop Linux RISC V processors? And server class processors?

      SiFive's HiFive Unmatched [crowdsupply.com] is shipping in 3 days. The early release was benchmarked here [phoronix.com] and there's folks on youtube running doom and browsing on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqekGqREf9k [youtube.com] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrJi7tX0jE8 [youtube.com]

      Cost-performance is obviously not there yet but it's borderline-viable RISC-V linux desktop that's available on the market so... Yeah. No reason whatsoever.

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      • (Score: 2) by NateMich on Tuesday February 08 2022, @02:44AM (1 child)

        by NateMich (6662) on Tuesday February 08 2022, @02:44AM (#1219603)

        I thought SiFive were finished with that board already and decided to move on to something else?

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by RamiK on Tuesday February 08 2022, @04:04AM

          by RamiK (1813) on Tuesday February 08 2022, @04:04AM (#1219622)

          I thought SiFive were finished with that board already and decided to move on to something else?

          That's what I've read and I did notice Mouser run out of stock... But it seems crowdsupply are still selling them?

          "Orders placed now ship Feb 11, 2022."

          ( https://www.crowdsupply.com/sifive/hifive-unmatched [crowdsupply.com] )

          Anyhow, even if they too exhausted their stock, "given time there WILL be desktop Linux RISC V processors?" was asked and answered half a year ago when they shipped. As for the future, Horse Creek p550 should be about ready to ship, provided the supply chain shortages won't get in the way...

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    • (Score: 2) by driverless on Tuesday February 08 2022, @02:19PM (1 child)

      by driverless (4770) on Tuesday February 08 2022, @02:19PM (#1219710)

      I was unable to find any information about the schedule for VEGA silicon

      And thus it was ever the case for RISC-V. Anything around it falls into one of three classes:

      1. Eyewateringly expensive but otherwise run-of-the-mill performance CPUs (HiFive)
      2. Toy CPUs (FE310)
      3. Vapourware

      There's also a fourth semi-class, buggy hardware, buggy software, no documentation, and patched kernel binaries you have to download from some server in Shenzhen to get it working.

      I'm saying that as someone who's developed for RISC-V. There still isn't anything out there that comes close to any old crappy secondhand Pi you found on eBay for ten dollars.

      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday February 08 2022, @03:40PM

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday February 08 2022, @03:40PM (#1219721) Journal

        That reminds me. Any news on if Blue Origin will have a Fright Certified BE-4 engine?

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  • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 07 2022, @10:44PM (10 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 07 2022, @10:44PM (#1219538)

    Indian backdoors instead of Chinese!

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 07 2022, @10:50PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 07 2022, @10:50PM (#1219540)

      As opposed to American and Israeli backdoors? Spare me.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 07 2022, @10:54PM (8 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 07 2022, @10:54PM (#1219544)

      India is a democracy and isn't currently genociding the Uighurs. That's an improvement.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 07 2022, @10:57PM (6 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 07 2022, @10:57PM (#1219546)

        Tell that to the Pakis.

        • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by tizan on Monday February 07 2022, @11:15PM (5 children)

          by tizan (3245) on Monday February 07 2022, @11:15PM (#1219549)

          That's a border war...not genocides on nationals.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 08 2022, @12:25AM (4 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 08 2022, @12:25AM (#1219568)

            Tell that to all the dead Muslims.

            • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by tizan on Tuesday February 08 2022, @02:31AM (3 children)

              by tizan (3245) on Tuesday February 08 2022, @02:31AM (#1219600)

              Yup i agree there is institutionalized killing of muslims or making their lives harder...just like there is one in the US against black people.
              Would you call the ease with which cops kill black people genocide in the US ?
              Except for the train burning in Gujarat more than a decade ago I have not heard of genocide attempt or mass encampment of Muslims.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 08 2022, @03:18AM (2 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 08 2022, @03:18AM (#1219609)

                The US is putting blacks in concentration camps? And they're being killed by the hundreds per day by cops?

                Wow, where do you get your news from? You need a little more than a dash of reality in your "news" feed. You have an interesting definition of "genocide."

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 08 2022, @03:36AM (1 child)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 08 2022, @03:36AM (#1219616)

                  The US is putting blacks in concentration camps?

                  Yes. They are calling them American cities, tho'. Other than that, not much of a difference.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 08 2022, @09:55PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 08 2022, @09:55PM (#1219847)

                    Not cities. Jails.

                    American blacks are the most incarcerated people in the world. It is part of a very long-term racist strategy to keep blacks down.

                    You black? You belong in jail (on whatever trumped up charge we can come up with).

                    You been in jail? Those with a criminal record can't vote.

                    You can't vote? You can't change the system, even if you're in the majority.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 08 2022, @01:25AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 08 2022, @01:25AM (#1219588)

        And yet, we are allied with autocratic monarchies which practice slavery and frequently treat their populations brutally. The same ones starving people to death in Yemen...

  • (Score: 4, Funny) by Type44Q on Monday February 07 2022, @11:29PM (1 child)

    by Type44Q (4347) on Monday February 07 2022, @11:29PM (#1219551)

    WTF; shouldn't it be Veda??

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 08 2022, @12:33AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 08 2022, @12:33AM (#1219571)

      Nah, they're going for a Nevada vibe.

      Who wouldn't want Vegas in the computer?

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 09 2022, @10:45AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 09 2022, @10:45AM (#1219946)

    Hi,

    I too have a 32 bit RISC-V single board computer ready for release. But I am a useless techie :) and am having hard time with the business side of things ...

    Would some like to partner with me?

    You can reach me via soylent (at) purpe.com.

    Website and SDK (WIP):

    https://purpe.com [purpe.com]
    https://github.com/introspec/sumeru-sdk [github.com]

    Best Wishes,

    Rohit

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 09 2022, @12:49PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 09 2022, @12:49PM (#1219958)

      The business would be helped, if the board could be purchased.

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