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posted by martyb on Monday February 28 2022, @07:02AM   Printer-friendly

Finding MH370: New breakthrough could finally solve missing flight mystery (Video) - Technology Org:

A retired British aerospace engineer and physicist Richard Godfrey claims he has estimated the location of the airliner Boeing 777 that vanished almost eight years ago. According to the specialist, the key to solving this long-standing puzzle lies within the principles of so-called amateur radio, otherwise known as ham radio, where people communicating one with another have to determine the right signal within a strong background noise.

[...] Records of these disturbances can be used to identify the path of MH370.

Video on YouTube from 60 Minutes Australia.


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  • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 28 2022, @07:04AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 28 2022, @07:04AM (#1225494)

    Not a serious current affairs show.

    Sensationalist bogan trash.

  • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 28 2022, @08:09AM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 28 2022, @08:09AM (#1225515)

    I would post a journal, but I am perma-banned, which means my hair will never get straight now. But I do have a few things to discuss. Most pressingly, the pro-Russian bias on SoylentNews. I am a pacifist, from long experience. I know that military force ALWAYS fails to solve political problems. And so, anyone who resorts to these means, like George W Bush, or Vladimir Putin, need to be ridiculed for being really, really, stupid. Near Runaway1956 levels of stupid. And, some people are responsible for making the argument kinetically, unfortunately. So it is time for the UN to enforce Article 2:

    All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered.
    All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.

    The UN outlawed war in 1945, and it is time for the international community to enforce this prohibition.

    • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 28 2022, @08:48AM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 28 2022, @08:48AM (#1225522)

      Oh, Spam mod the permabanned guy! Such graciousness! And commitment to freedom of speech. Aristarchus is censored! That is all there is too it! SoylentNews has betrayed its founding principles. If only the founding funders saw fit to pull the plug.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 28 2022, @12:01PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 28 2022, @12:01PM (#1225542)

        Well, I think the GP and sock should have been "Offtopic" instead of spam, but that's just a quibble. The same post might have been ON topic in a different article.

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 28 2022, @04:55PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 28 2022, @04:55PM (#1225626)

        Fascists are always comfortable punishing their enemies, at least we see the true colors of SoylentNews.

        Course ari won't fess up to sock puppeting and the evidence is damning, so pot meet kettle? Wait, being a troll is still way less than censorship and thought crime punishment.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 28 2022, @05:11PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 28 2022, @05:11PM (#1225633)

      from violance spring all other peaceful forms of control?
      not sure a judges ruling means much without "enforcement".
      not sure if your version of " enforcement" works if a equal other "enforcement" opposes you?
      not sure how we're going to "enforce" the law of "no war"?
      also, prolly since end of cold war and the realisation of glibal nuclear annhilation, wars have been to enforce " a way of life", prolly a happy planet based on fossile fuels and a nuclear doom umbrella.
      i agree, wars prolly suck (not a soldier) but they happen because we like "our way of life".
      oh, and also, you might have though that working hard gives you coupon that guarantee you a share and rights to the goooee stuff under our feet that makes everything " gooo" ... well think again. it's finite and emptying faster and faster and more and more coupons are being issued "for future rights". there will come a special day, where the barrels-per-day (today ~90 million(!) bbd) drain equals half of remaining.
      looking up brings good luck!

  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 28 2022, @08:28AM (8 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 28 2022, @08:28AM (#1225518)

    There were joint military exercises at that area at around that time: Cobra Gold[1] and Cope Tiger[2].

    Also at least two satellites (USA 224 and USA 245) were passing over that area around that time. Strangely the paths for those two at that time seem to have been deleted/redacted since on a satellite tracking site ( https://www.heavens-above.com/ [heavens-above.com] the tracks for that period were definitely there before but feel free to not believe me- you can probably reconstruct the tracks from the before and after tracks for yourself if you want).

    Feel free to also believe that the US military somehow weren't watching that area ( Straits of Malacca and South China Sea) especially during the period of those two exercises.

    As for me I'm pretty sure at least some in the US DoD knew where MH370 was. My guess is the US DoD knew and were just waiting to see if China would eventually reveal what they knew (there were many China nationals on board).

    See also:
    https://www.asiaone.com/singapore/singapore-thailand-us-conclude-trilateral-air-exercise [asiaone.com]
    https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.506056326169563.1073741998.236424069799458&type=1 [facebook.com]

    [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Exercise_Cobra_Gold_2014_closing_ceremony_140220-M-BZ918-315.jpg [wikimedia.org]

    [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:U.S.,_Singapore_and_Royal_Thai_Air_Force_pilots_discuss_mission_plans_before_starting_flying_exercises_for_Cope_Tiger_14_in_Korat,_Thailand,_March_9,_2014_140309-F-BC061-012.jpg [wikimedia.org]

    Notice the March 9 date on the photo. Lots of stuff would already be around before the March 10 start.

    • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Monday February 28 2022, @08:56AM (2 children)

      by RS3 (6367) on Monday February 28 2022, @08:56AM (#1225523)

      I (mostly) watched the "60 Minutes Australia" video in the linked page. Godfrey's work, analysis, and conclusion seem strong. The flight path is charted at 2 minute intervals. It's an erratic flight path, but a well connected series of samples. At one point the plane goes into a large circle holding pattern, and it looks like it disappeared just after that. No speculation as to why a holding pattern, or any of the flight path for that matter.

      Godfrey suggests one possibility is that the pilot might have been communicating with the Malaysian govt., but if so, nobody speculated as to why.

      He says it's up to the Malaysian govt. to continue the search, and so far they haven't done anything.

    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by RS3 on Monday February 28 2022, @09:02AM (1 child)

      by RS3 (6367) on Monday February 28 2022, @09:02AM (#1225525)

      Here's a possibility: we know that for reasons unknown the plane went way off course. Perhaps it wandered into military restricted airspace and was shot out of the sky, and nobody wants to admit to it.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 28 2022, @05:24PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 28 2022, @05:24PM (#1225640)

        prolly a book keeper of global debt ...

    • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 01 2022, @03:01AM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 01 2022, @03:01AM (#1225760)

      Lots of "around that time" in there. How long were those satellite passes? If they're zipping by at a few minutes like the ISS, whatever is happening has to be happening during those few minutes AND whatever satellites they are have to be actually observing it. Those sound like two very unlikely things to start out with, then you have to AND them together. What information do you think would have been of interest for the US to find out regarding what China knew? This was a commercial plane, not a military or spy plane. For a plane flying to China, I would certainly expect there to have been many Chinese national on board. There were also three US citizens too, for what that's worth. I'm not sure why you think the US would know anything because of two satellite passes of satellites that you don't even know what they are (or at least you didn't mention what kind they were) when you had the Google Earth satellite networks putting their data up quickly and many many thousands of people scanning through images of the ocean looking for evidence of anything (I was one of those people who would spend time looking at images. If I remember correctly, Australia spent a lot of time and effort looking for wreckage. Australia is on pretty friendly terms with the US. You don't think the US would have told Australia where to look if they knew something? What the hell do you think was on this flight that was so super duper top secret, that took off from a Malaysian commercial airport flying to another commercial airport?

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 01 2022, @07:04AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 01 2022, @07:04AM (#1225802)

        I'm not sure why you think the US would know anything because of two satellite passes of satellites that you don't even know what they are (or at least you didn't mention what kind they were)

        You're providing clear evidence that you have nothing useful to add to this conversation - you're either incompetent and/or a troll. I already mentioned the satellite names, that's more than enough. If you can't even google stuff like that please go to Slashdot.

        • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 01 2022, @02:12PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 01 2022, @02:12PM (#1225839)

          Thanks for modding me down. The more you mod me down, the stronger I become.

          So you throw out your conspiracy theory supported by the very strong evidence of "USA 245"! OMG, NOT USA 245!!! He killed my brother and now he's coming for me!!! Now you tell me your awesome argument is well supported by doing google searches and going to slashdot??? Are you fucking kidding me? What, are you like 13 or something? Instead of modding me down and taking out your ass, how about trying to address at least ONE counter argument I posed? Do you realize that apart from the geostationary comms satellites, satellites aren't just hovering over every part of the earth constantly looking at everything that could potentially be under them, and if they are LEO satellites, they'll pretty much cover every part of the earth they fly over pretty quickly, so there is a USA 245 that has "close in time" flew over your head. Just put up any explanation for how likely it is that two satellites, kinds I will still assume you don't know what they are since you tell me to 'go to slashdot', with horizon-to-horizon passes that last in the minutes, happen to be over the plane when something happened, and happen to be looking at the plane? And posit on this, Mr.Angry Dumbfuck, look at on the map where the plane disappeared. You see ANYTHING of interest, like countries, that just might be a little more interesting for USA 245 to be looking at (or listening to, or whatever it does because you refuse to tell me because that information apparently is still stuck in your ass and you haven't been able to extract it yet)? And what about your interesting military exercises going on? So these satellites are flying over those too and they're like, "hold on, I know there all this interesting military stuff going on here, but I want to instead be looking at some random patch of open ocean just in case I might see something!" I sure hope your day job doesn't involve a lot of planning and management.

          Common sense doesn't really flow with you, does it? You don't happen to be that guy who brought a gun to a Washington pizza restaurant to save children's blood from being consumed by Hillary Clinton, are you? God, you people used to be fun to laugh at, but your stupid has grown to the point that you're actually starting to affect the lives of normal people.

          This is a first for me. I've been modded down before, but this is the first time I've been modded down where I'm supposed to go to slashdot to find out why!

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 28 2022, @09:06AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 28 2022, @09:06AM (#1225526)

    Test his method first by tracking a plane in that area under similar circumstances to see whether the accuracy is really as claimed. If it is, and the raw ham radio data is plausible, then you can go look for the plane...

    • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 28 2022, @10:41AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 28 2022, @10:41AM (#1225534)

      The WSPR mode acting like radar is certainly a thing.... at VHF frequencies (>30 MHz).

      A plane flying between my station and other, on a flight path directly towards or away from me, creates an at-most Doppler shift of ~50 Hertz from a carrier signal of 144.489 MHz.

      The doppler is from interacting with a moving target surface, being the radio wave with a wavelength of 2 metres bouncing off the relatively large metal surface area of a plane.

      It's being claimed that the drift in carrier frequency that the WSPR decoders measure can be used, as there's drift measurements that're actually doppler shifts, and usable to track the velocity of a single plane out of thousands.

      ...at 14.1 MHz, where the radio wavelength is 20 metres, and the metal surface of the plane is practically see-through.

      The biggest source of drift in WSPR is the fractional ppm change in the transmit and receive radio's frequency references. A cold radio is going to think everything is drifting by 10s of Hertz, a sudden weather change will make it drift by several Hertz, operating in a park and getting up to go for a walk and no longer casting a shadow over your FT-817 will do it too, turning on the air-con, etc.

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