from the look-up-in-the-sky-its-a-bird-its-a-plane dept.
- Amazon says antennas for its Project Kuiper satellite internet service cost under $500 to build.
- One analyst called the remarkably cheap antennas "an earth shattering development."
- The price delta could give Project Kuiper a leg up on arch rival SpaceX's Starlink.
When Amazon announced its massive rocket launch deal for Project Kuiper, its satellite internet service earlier this month, one detail flew mostly under the radar. Amazon said it has figured out how to make the antennas consumers mount on their homes for less than $500. That's more than five times cheaper than what SpaceX reportedly spends to build its Starlink antennas, which have long been the cheapest on the market.
The cost delta could give Amazon a major leg up as it launches its Kuiper service and looks to overtake Starlink, which has already launched more than 2,000 satellites and had more than 145,000 users globally as of January, according to CNBC.
[....] To make internet service providers Kuiper and Starlink work, consumers need what's called an all-electronically-steered flat panel antenna, capable of tracking satellites in orbit. This tech has historically been used only for military purposes, and can cost hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars, Quilty Analytics founder Chris Quilty told Insider.
To bring satellite internet to the public, providers have to figure out how to make the necessary antennas affordable.
[....] Another reason Amazon may have been able to get antenna costs so much lower than SpaceX is because Amazon started Project Kuiper as an engineering exercise to see if it was possible to build the antennas for less than $500, according to Quilty. The company didn't want to spend billions to build out a constellation if it wasn't possible.
By running the economics of a running a megaconstellation like Kuiper, it becomes clear that the cost of the user terminal is the most important factor, Quilty said, adding that it was insightful on Amazon's part that that's where they started their Project Kuiper efforts.
Is the one time cost of the ground terminal the biggest factor when considering purchasing a satellite internet service?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by seeprime on Friday April 29 2022, @09:47PM (6 children)
Amazon makes claims, but hasn't produced or sold any of their satellite dishes yet. So, who knows how well they hold up under poorer conditions where Starlink's dish works quite well.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 30 2022, @01:13AM (3 children)
$500.00??? Back in the 70's there were articles in Sci Mags about how to make a Sat Dish with cardboard and chicken wire. I guess Amazons is solid gold or something.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 30 2022, @03:07AM
A cheap dish can't track LEO satellites let alone switch between them in real time. That is what makes the new generation of dishes so expensive and power hungry. Frankly, I'm skeptical of Amazon's claims. $500 might well be possible, but I seriously doubt they can do it straight out of the gate.
(Score: 2) by NateMich on Saturday April 30 2022, @03:27AM (1 child)
There are satellite dishes, and then there are phased array antennas.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 30 2022, @09:13AM
I used to tune phased array antennas... They are nothing special. $500 is a joke.
(Score: 2) by Spamalope on Saturday April 30 2022, @04:04AM
My new Pyramidlink dish that you can't see and isn't available yet for the service with sats that aren't launched is available for pre-order now with a non-refundable early bird payment of only $400! It's so amazing it beats Amazon and Starlink. Trust us an act now! Order today and get 20% off Pyramidlink Antenna NFTs!
(Score: 2) by driverless on Saturday April 30 2022, @08:14AM
That was my first thought as well. We know that Starlink's system is robust enough to hold up in an active war zone in the presence of active countermeasures designed to disrupt it, that takes some beating in terms of availability and reliability. If Amazon's stuff only works under ideal conditions with a following wind then it won't matter much if they can build it for $500 a pop or not.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by looorg on Friday April 29 2022, @09:55PM (3 children)
How much is the fee after you paid for the antenna? What speeds and service are we talking about? Global coverage? How much creepy logging will Amazon do for how you use the service?
That said just the antenna costs more then I pay my current isp for a years worth of top notch service. So this better be awesome if it's viable.
(Score: 2) by captain normal on Friday April 29 2022, @11:32PM
But...but...I'ts going to be "Prime".
The Musk/Trump interview appears to have been hacked, but not a DDOS hack...more like A Distributed Denial of Reality.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 30 2022, @03:13AM (1 child)
If you're already getting good service then you aren't in the target market. There are millions of people who pay $100/mo or more for crappy satellite service because they can't get anything else. Urbanites tend not to realize just how bad things can be in rural areas. There are communities where basics like electricity and running water are hard to come by.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 30 2022, @03:24PM
Yes, and those are also areas that disproportionately vote for politicians promising not to help.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 29 2022, @10:07PM (3 children)
Isn't this the same thing as a phased array antenna, like used for the radar in the nose of fighter jets? If so (I'm not sure), I wonder why the name change?
Elon's Starlink antenna may be expensive now, but I would be very surprised if they weren't working on v.2 that reduces the cost. Could it be possible to develop a custom system-on-chip that does all the processing?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 30 2022, @01:32AM (1 child)
No. It's not phased array. It has an actual motor that moves the antenna around to track.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 30 2022, @03:23AM
Source? Because Amazon's press release from two years ago looks like a Dishy clone.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 30 2022, @03:20AM
Starlink has gone through several revisions of their dish, bringing the cost down each time. They started at over $3k each to make but managed to cut that in half by this time last year. I can't find any current figures, but I'd be surprised if it hasn't come down even more.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 29 2022, @10:12PM
is almost always vaporware.
(Score: 1) by Adam on Friday April 29 2022, @10:17PM
Wireless network providers have been giving away flagship phones for what, 30 years now? The one time cost to the provider gets amortized out across the length of the contract and it seems to work fine for both providers and consumers. Cheaper antennas would be great, but financing is a functional alternative. Particularly if cheaper also means slower and less reliable.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Friday April 29 2022, @10:20PM (4 children)
If the dish and terminals are too expensive, Amazon can do one of two things to lower the cost:
- Sell it at cost or under the cost of manufacture, because that's what monopolies do, they're allowed to do that in the US nowadays. And Amazon has always favored growing huge and invading every market it could over turning a profit so far.
- Write off the cost of the terminal + dish and recoup the money by invading their customers' privacy and monetizing their data flowing over the Amazon satellite internet link.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 30 2022, @03:25AM
Or you eat the cost up front and make it back over time on monthly billing like most ISPs and cellphone providers do. Even the scummy ones.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 30 2022, @03:45AM (2 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 30 2022, @12:45PM (1 child)
> Last but not least - make it in China.
Does that still work? I think the "world's factory China" era may be winding down, as their standard of living comes up and the Chinese start making shit for themselves.
How about "make it in a low wage country?"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 30 2022, @01:29PM
Make it with robots.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by drussell on Saturday April 30 2022, @12:36AM (7 children)
I don't think the numbers in the summary make sense, I highly doubt it costs SpaceX $2500 for the customer antennas and terminal units.
I have seen it quoted multiple times to be more like $1000, which makes much more sense (I've personally seen the hardware) and they charge you most of that up-front (in Canada, you pay a $759 fee up front for the antenna & terminal hardware kit, then subsequently the $140/mo thereafter for the service) and it only has a 12 month hardware warranty, so you have to buy another new antenna or customer terminal unit thingy or ginormous PoE adapter when they fail after that, and apparently they don't always do so well in hot weather...
Remember, those suckers suck back the juice like a 100 watt bulb does, at idle, all the time...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 30 2022, @03:43AM (2 children)
It's just old information. $2500 was Starlink's first cost reduction from the initial $3k per unit. They were down to $1500 by this time last year and were hoping to cut that by half again.
Running out of hardware warranty doesn't mean that it falls over and dies unless you are buying from a really crappy supplier, it just mean that you are out of the 'infant mortality' period of the bathtub curve.
The overheating problem was mostly exaggerated in the media. There were a few reports of them overheating in the Nevada desert last summer so Starlink improved the overheat protection with a software update and announced a ruggedized version for hot/cold climates. They have also been working on power management since Ukraine was invaded. Heat and power management don't seem to have been priorities while they are focused on production rate and cost reduction since it would need to be redone for every hardware revision. I expect both will improve once the hardware has been finalized.
(Score: 2) by drussell on Sunday May 01 2022, @12:50AM (1 child)
My point about the ground-end user hardware was basically just that they're passing most of that end cost on to the consumer side, they then just have to worry about the huge expense of the birds themselves and the ground base-stations and associated ground uplink costs, peering agreements at large interchange points, etc. I'm sure it is very capital-intensive to set up the whole network from satellite on down.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 01 2022, @09:45AM
The first batch of user terminals cost $3000 each to make and were sold for $500. They soon reduced it to $2500 each, which is the first figure you quoted. As of last year it was down to $1500 and sold for $500, so a $1000 loss per unit. At that time they said they wanted to reduce the cost by 50% again, but I haven't heard anything since. All of these figures are in US dollars.
I'm not sure how ground stations came in to the discussion.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 30 2022, @05:46AM (3 children)
I'm genuinely curious (and don't know much about this technology I'm afraid to admit) since I have satellite Internet service (but with Xplorenet) but why do these dishes use so much power to operate? Is it the uplink transmission that uses the most power (probably) rather than the downlink receiving the data? Please be gentle...I really don't know where all the power consumption goes to.
(Score: 3, Informative) by corey on Saturday April 30 2022, @11:22AM (2 children)
I don’t know authoritatively how these work but I’m an electronics engineer with experience in comms systems; I imagine the power consumption is mostly in the uplink (RF power amps), a bit less in the downlink low noise amps (LNA), and a heap in the software defined radio (SDR), which will be doing a lot of signal processing like DDC/DUC, then 1024QAM or something fancy plus error correction shit. All this would probably still be active during “idle”, where the higher layers in the TCP/IP world will be quiet.
I probably am not in the money though, just coming from basic principles.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 01 2022, @03:45AM (1 child)
The dishes are heated to keep snow off them in northern climates. That heat energy has to come from somewhere.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 01 2022, @09:47AM
That's in addition to the ~90W that Dishy draws when running. Starlink is power hungry.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 30 2022, @02:12AM (3 children)
Huge advantage over Amazon's paying through the nose for launch
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 30 2022, @03:45AM (2 children)
Amazon could easily hire the same launch provider Starlink uses, just like OneWeb recently did. It's only their pride holding them back. ;)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 30 2022, @12:58PM (1 child)
Even so, Amazon would pay the going rate for launch by SpaceX.
Meanwhile, I believe that many of the Starlink satellites "go standby", filling up rockets when there is space(sorry) available. Cringeley wrote about this a year ago, https://www.cringely.com/2021/04/20/starlink-is-a-global-isp-built-at-zero-cost-to-spacex-enabling-nasas-artemis-launch/ [cringely.com]
SpaceX also has a "first mover" advantage (from same link):
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 30 2022, @05:03PM
Starlink was originally conceived as a way to give SpaceX something to do between paying customers, so that much is working as intended. At $250M per satellite, 60 sats per rocket, and $28M per launch (SpaceX's rumoured internal cost), $885 million doesn't quite pay for 21 launches. These numbers don't include the user terminal loss, which last year was $1k per unit, and while it might have covered last year's Starlink launches, it won't be enough to cover this year's, and it will be a drop in the bucket once Starship starts launching hundreds of satellites at once.
Cringeley overestimates (to put it mildly) their potential market dominance: 3/4 of Starlink's bandwidth is over the oceans where customers are few and far between. At the other extreme, major cities (where most of the world's population lives) are far too dense for satellites to provide effective two way coverage. Once you take those limits into account Starlink will be a major player in rural and remote internet service but there will still be room for a few competing mega-constellations, but rural WISPs are going to get eaten. Starlink can't just run from regulators, either, because they still need ground stations and user terminals and those will always be subject to regulation of whatever country they are in.
Amazon is free to bid for rural development money, and if they get actual birds in the sky and terminals into user's hands, they'll have earned it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 30 2022, @07:24AM (2 children)
i hope getting this many brains onto the "mega brain share" -aka-internet will allow humankind to break thru the cosmological IQ barrier and make communications free for all. for forever.
but prolly not ... the lil trolls and elfs operating inside com-sats and tracking towers will form unions for better compensation? how else is a elf (or troll) gonna drive to mega mall if s/he hasn't got the oil-coupons?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 30 2022, @01:36PM (1 child)
You just learned about a major cost, the antenna. The satellites need to be periodically deorbited as well.
There's no free lunch, but WANs emanating from some satellite broadband users could spread the love.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 01 2022, @07:35AM
free lunches are productive as newton noticed when a free lunch fell on his head.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by DavePolaschek on Saturday April 30 2022, @12:28PM (2 children)
Personally, I find it very hard to choose between which asshole billionaire I want to give Even More money to. The alternative is Comcast, and it says something about my feeling for those assholes that Comcast continues to get my money for internet service today.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 30 2022, @01:20PM
+1
Yep, I have a similar problem, but part of it is personal. Bezos COST me money, through unethical behavior of Amazon relative to sales of my book, long ago. Maybe I should favor Musk, I did a small consulting job for one of his companies, so he MADE me money.
Anyway, it's Spectrum that is still getting my money. We did manage to save some $$/month by adding cable phone (land line) while switching from my name to my SO (she has a different name). Reason to add cable phone was discontinuation of Verizon copper POTS (poor local cell service). The phone install included a tech visit...and he improved the cable signal significantly by swapping in a new piece of coax for the 20+ year old piece from pole to house.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 30 2022, @01:39PM
It's not that hard to choose. Musk is the better billionaire to hand money to. Bezos is the one you're already handing money to through your use of Amazon and Whole Paycheck.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 30 2022, @08:09PM
Jew Talmud excerpts (the book that calls Christ's mother a whore & a bastard of a roman soldier):
Yebamoth 98a: "All children of the goy are animals"
Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."
Avodah Zarah 36b: "They decreed connection with a heathen child that it should cause defilement by seminal omission so that an Israelite child should not become accustomed to commit PEDERASTY with him. It is therefore to be concluded that a heathen (non jew) girl from the age of 3 + 1 day for inasmuich as she is then capable of the sexual act she likewise defiles by a flux. This is obvious"
Avodah Zarah 37a: "R. Joseph said: Come and hear - a maiden aged 3 years and 1 day may be acquired in marriage by a coition (sex) and if her deceased husband's brother cohabits with her she becomes his"
Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath KALNIDRA (what they recite on entry into day of atonement that for the next 12 months no oath they make to others MATTERS & can be broken) when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."
Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
Yalhut 245c: "Extermination of the Christians is a necessary sacrifice" per https://www.brighteon.com/83442414-4300-4360-9ade-b999d9e40ca5 [brighteon.com] (one HELL of an INFORMATIVE video that)
Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."
Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."
Zohar, Toldoth Noah 63b & Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."
Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."
Hadarine 20, B & Schulchan Aruch, Choszem Hamiszpat 34B & Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."
Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."
Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."
Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."
Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."
Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."
Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156: "When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it."
Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: "A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean."
Nedarim 23b: "He who desires that none of his vows made during the year be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, 'Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null'. His vows are then invalid."
Rosh Hashanah 17a: "Christians who reject the Talmud shall go to HELL and be punished there for all generations"
(Like they said Jesus is in HELL boiling in SHIT (excrement) perhaps, per https://www.brighteon.com/83442414-4300-4360-9ade-b999d9e40ca5 [brighteon.com] & where JEWS literally say "We killed Yeshua and are PROUD of it"?)
Gittin 57a: "Jesus (Jashua) is in HELL boiling in hot excrement"
In the BRIGHTEON link above, they show Jesus as a MONKEY being pounded by a hammer with nails into a cross mocking him.
Zohar, Vuyshiah 177b: "Jews may cheat Goys over a bill" etc.
Mas. Shabbath 32b: "On the house of the Goy one looks as on the fold of cattle"
Baba Mazia 114b: "The Goyim are not humans. They are beasts"
Choshem Ha'mishpat 425.50: "Everyone who sheds the blood of the NON-JEW (impious) is as acceptable to God as he who offers a sacrifice to God"
Schulchan Oruch, Orach Chaim 14, 20, 32, 33, 39: "A Jew may do to an Non-JEWESS what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat"
Midrasch Talpioth page 225 L: "The Jew is not permitted to consider the goyim as human beings"
Mas Yevamoth 61b: "All JEWS will have a part in the future world The Goyim at the end of the world will be handed over to the angel DUMA and sent down to hell"
* RACIST megalomaniacal murderous twisted THIEVES TO THE CORE - hey, THEY supplied that material above, not I...
APK
P.S.=> All I can say is "EAT SHIT Synagogue of SATAN" per John in REVELATIONS (where he states
"those who say they are jews but are not" more or less in stating what they are in AshkeNAZI fake jews who follow the above set of rules from their "book of LAW")... apk
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 30 2022, @09:35PM
Jew Talmud excerpts (the book that calls Christ's mother a whore & a bastard of a roman soldier):
Yebamoth 98a: "All children of the goy are animals"
Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."
Avodah Zarah 36b: "They decreed connection with a heathen child that it should cause defilement by seminal omission so that an Israelite child should not become accustomed to commit PEDERASTY with him. It is therefore to be concluded that a heathen (non jew) girl from the age of 3 + 1 day for inasmuich as she is then capable of the sexual act she likewise defiles by a flux. This is obvious"
Avodah Zarah 37a: "R. Joseph said: Come and hear - a maiden aged 3 years and 1 day may be acquired in marriage by a coition (sex) and if her deceased husband's brother cohabits with her she becomes his"
Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath KALNIDRA (what they recite on entry into day of atonement that for the next 12 months no oath they make to others MATTERS & can be broken) when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."
Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
Yalhut 245c: "Extermination of the Christians is a necessary sacrifice" per https://www.brighteon.com/83442414-4300-4360-9ade-b999d9e40ca5 [brighteon.com] (one HELL of an INFORMATIVE video that)
Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."
Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."
Zohar, Toldoth Noah 63b & Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."
Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."
Hadarine 20, B & Schulchan Aruch, Choszem Hamiszpat 34B & Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."
Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."
Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."
Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."
Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."
Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."
Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156: "When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it."
Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: "A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean."
Nedarim 23b: "He who desires that none of his vows made during the year be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, 'Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null'. His vows are then invalid."
Rosh Hashanah 17a: "Christians who reject the Talmud shall go to HELL and be punished there for all generations"
(Like they said Jesus is in HELL boiling in SHIT (excrement) perhaps, per https://www.brighteon.com/83442414-4300-4360-9ade-b999d9e40ca5 [brighteon.com] & where JEWS literally say "We killed Yeshua and are PROUD of it"?)
Gittin 57a: "Jesus (Jashua) is in HELL boiling in hot excrement"
In the BRIGHTEON link above, they show Jesus as a MONKEY being pounded by a hammer with nails into a cross mocking him.
Zohar, Vuyshiah 177b: "Jews may cheat Goys over a bill" etc.
Mas. Shabbath 32b: "On the house of the Goy one looks as on the fold of cattle"
Baba Mazia 114b: "The Goyim are not humans. They are beasts"
Choshem Ha'mishpat 425.50: "Everyone who sheds the blood of the NON-JEW (impious) is as acceptable to God as he who offers a sacrifice to God"
Schulchan Oruch, Orach Chaim 14, 20, 32, 33, 39: "A Jew may do to an Non-JEWESS what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat"
Midrasch Talpioth page 225 L: "The Jew is not permitted to consider the goyim as human beings"
Mas Yevamoth 61b: "All JEWS will have a part in the future world The Goyim at the end of the world will be handed over to the angel DUMA and sent down to hell"
* RACIST megalomaniacal murderous twisted THIEVES TO THE CORE - hey, THEY supplied that material above, not I...
APK
P.S.=> All I can say is "EAT SHIT Synagogue of SATAN" per John in REVELATIONS (where he states
"those who say they are jews but are not" more or less in stating what they are in AshkeNAZI fake jews who follow the above set of rules from their "book of LAW")... apk
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 30 2022, @10:05PM
Jew Talmud excerpts (the book that calls Christ's mother a whore & a bastard of a roman soldier):
Yebamoth 98a: "All children of the goy are animals"
Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."
Avodah Zarah 36b: "They decreed connection with a heathen child that it should cause defilement by seminal omission so that an Israelite child should not become accustomed to commit PEDERASTY with him. It is therefore to be concluded that a heathen (non jew) girl from the age of 3 + 1 day for inasmuich as she is then capable of the sexual act she likewise defiles by a flux. This is obvious"
Avodah Zarah 37a: "R. Joseph said: Come and hear - a maiden aged 3 years and 1 day may be acquired in marriage by a coition (sex) and if her deceased husband's brother cohabits with her she becomes his"
Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath KALNIDRA (what they recite on entry into day of atonement that for the next 12 months no oath they make to others MATTERS & can be broken) when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."
Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
Yalhut 245c: "Extermination of the Christians is a necessary sacrifice" per https://www.brighteon.com/83442414-4300-4360-9ade-b999d9e40ca5 [brighteon.com] (one HELL of an INFORMATIVE video that)
Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."
Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."
Zohar, Toldoth Noah 63b & Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."
Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."
Hadarine 20, B & Schulchan Aruch, Choszem Hamiszpat 34B & Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."
Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."
Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."
Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."
Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."
Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."
Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156: "When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it."
Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: "A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean."
Nedarim 23b: "He who desires that none of his vows made during the year be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, 'Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null'. His vows are then invalid."
Rosh Hashanah 17a: "Christians who reject the Talmud shall go to HELL and be punished there for all generations"
(Like they said Jesus is in HELL boiling in SHIT (excrement) perhaps, per https://www.brighteon.com/83442414-4300-4360-9ade-b999d9e40ca5 [brighteon.com] & where JEWS literally say "We killed Yeshua and are PROUD of it"?)
Gittin 57a: "Jesus (Jashua) is in HELL boiling in hot excrement"
In the BRIGHTEON link above, they show Jesus as a MONKEY being pounded by a hammer with nails into a cross mocking him.
Zohar, Vuyshiah 177b: "Jews may cheat Goys over a bill" etc.
Mas. Shabbath 32b: "On the house of the Goy one looks as on the fold of cattle"
Baba Mazia 114b: "The Goyim are not humans. They are beasts"
Choshem Ha'mishpat 425.50: "Everyone who sheds the blood of the NON-JEW (impious) is as acceptable to God as he who offers a sacrifice to God"
Schulchan Oruch, Orach Chaim 14, 20, 32, 33, 39: "A Jew may do to an Non-JEWESS what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat"
Midrasch Talpioth page 225 L: "The Jew is not permitted to consider the goyim as human beings"
Mas Yevamoth 61b: "All JEWS will have a part in the future world The Goyim at the end of the world will be handed over to the angel DUMA and sent down to hell"
* RACIST megalomaniacal murderous twisted THIEVES TO THE CORE - hey, THEY supplied that material above, not I...
APK
P.S.=> All I can say is "EAT SHIT Synagogue of SATAN" per John in REVELATIONS (where he states
"those who say they are jews but are not" more or less in stating what they are in AshkeNAZI fake jews who follow the above set of rules from their "book of LAW")... apk
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 30 2022, @10:19PM
Jew Talmud excerpts (the book that calls Christ's mother a whore & a bastard of a roman soldier):
Yebamoth 98a: "All children of the goy are animals"
Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."
Avodah Zarah 36b: "They decreed connection with a heathen child that it should cause defilement by seminal omission so that an Israelite child should not become accustomed to commit PEDERASTY with him. It is therefore to be concluded that a heathen (non jew) girl from the age of 3 + 1 day for inasmuich as she is then capable of the sexual act she likewise defiles by a flux. This is obvious"
Avodah Zarah 37a: "R. Joseph said: Come and hear - a maiden aged 3 years and 1 day may be acquired in marriage by a coition (sex) and if her deceased husband's brother cohabits with her she becomes his"
Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath KALNIDRA (what they recite on entry into day of atonement that for the next 12 months no oath they make to others MATTERS & can be broken) when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."
Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
Yalhut 245c: "Extermination of the Christians is a necessary sacrifice" per https://www.brighteon.com/83442414-4300-4360-9ade-b999d9e40ca5 [brighteon.com] (one HELL of an INFORMATIVE video that)
Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."
Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."
Zohar, Toldoth Noah 63b & Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."
Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."
Hadarine 20, B & Schulchan Aruch, Choszem Hamiszpat 34B & Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."
Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."
Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."
Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."
Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."
Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."
Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156: "When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it."
Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: "A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean."
Nedarim 23b: "He who desires that none of his vows made during the year be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, 'Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null'. His vows are then invalid."
Rosh Hashanah 17a: "Christians who reject the Talmud shall go to HELL and be punished there for all generations"
(Like they said Jesus is in HELL boiling in SHIT (excrement) perhaps, per https://www.brighteon.com/83442414-4300-4360-9ade-b999d9e40ca5 [brighteon.com] & where JEWS literally say "We killed Yeshua and are PROUD of it"?)
Gittin 57a: "Jesus (Jashua) is in HELL boiling in hot excrement"
In the BRIGHTEON link above, they show Jesus as a MONKEY being pounded by a hammer with nails into a cross mocking him.
Zohar, Vuyshiah 177b: "Jews may cheat Goys over a bill" etc.
Mas. Shabbath 32b: "On the house of the Goy one looks as on the fold of cattle"
Baba Mazia 114b: "The Goyim are not humans. They are beasts"
Choshem Ha'mishpat 425.50: "Everyone who sheds the blood of the NON-JEW (impious) is as acceptable to God as he who offers a sacrifice to God"
Schulchan Oruch, Orach Chaim 14, 20, 32, 33, 39: "A Jew may do to an Non-JEWESS what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat"
Midrasch Talpioth page 225 L: "The Jew is not permitted to consider the goyim as human beings"
Mas Yevamoth 61b: "All JEWS will have a part in the future world The Goyim at the end of the world will be handed over to the angel DUMA and sent down to hell"
* RACIST megalomaniacal murderous twisted THIEVES TO THE CORE - hey, THEY supplied that material above, not I...
APK
P.S.=> All I can say is "EAT SHIT Synagogue of SATAN" per John in REVELATIONS (where he states
"those who say they are jews but are not" more or less in stating what they are in AshkeNAZI fake jews who follow the above set of rules from their "book of LAW")... apk
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Entropy on Monday May 02 2022, @02:46AM
And not a word about the service. Sounds like Amazon. We know SpaceX internet is generations beyond regular satellite Internet service, Amazon is very likely not going to match it by being cheap.