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posted by FatPhil on Thursday April 11 2019, @01:22PM   Printer-friendly
from the shoulda-taken-the-tea-chest-option-years-back dept.

Breaking: Met police confirm that Julian Assange has been arrested at the Ecuadorian embassy.

Mr Assange took refuge in the embassy seven years ago to avoid extradition to Sweden over a sexual assault case that has since been dropped.

The Met Police said he was arrested for failing to surrender to the court.

Ecuador's president Lenin Moreno said it withdrew Mr Assange's asylum after his repeated violations to international conventions.

But WikiLeaks tweeted that Ecuador had acted illegally in terminating Mr Assange's political asylum "in violation of international law".

[...] Scotland Yard said it was invited into the embassy by the ambassador, following the Ecuadorian government's withdrawal of asylum.

After his arrest for failing to surrender to the court, police said he had been further arrested on behalf of US authorities under an extradition warrant.

He doesn't look happy, to say the least.

Update: As this is a breaking story, more information is coming out regularly - one source that updates their reports frequently is Zero Hedge - thanks boru!

Previously: New Analysis of Swedish Police Report Confirms Julian Assange's Version in Sweden's Case
Ecuador Reportedly Almost Ready to Hand Julian Assange Over to UK Authorities
UK Said Assange Would Not be Extradited If He Leaves Embassy Refuge
Inadvertent Court Filing Suggests that the U.S. DoJ is Preparing to Indict Julian Assange
U.S. Ramping Up Probe Against Julian Assange, WikiLeaks Says
Ecuador Denies That Julian Assange Will be Evicted From Embassy in London


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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by takyon on Thursday April 11 2019, @01:24PM (83 children)

    by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Thursday April 11 2019, @01:24PM (#827894) Journal

    Julian Assange Charged by U.S. With Conspiracy to Hack a Government Computer [nytimes.com]

    The United States has charged WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange with one count of conspiracy to hack a computer related to his role in the 2010 release of reams of secret American documents, according to a criminal complaint unsealed Thursday just hours after British authorities arrested him in London.

    The single charge, conspiracy to commit computer intrusion, stems from what prosecutors said was his agreement to break a password to a classified United States government computer. It is significant in that it is not an espionage charge, a detail that will come as a relief to press freedom advocates. The United States government had considered until at least last year charging him with an espionage-related offense.

    Mr. Assange, 47, has been living at the Ecuadorean Embassy in London since 2012. British authorities arrested him after he was evicted by the Ecuadoreans. The Metropolitan Police said that Mr. Assange had been detained partly in connection with an extradition warrant [police.uk] filed by the authorities in the United States.

    Time for many "I told you so"s.

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  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @01:36PM (27 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @01:36PM (#827903)

    "I love wikileaks"- Candidate Trump
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mUtT0b0EnSw [youtube.com]

    Interesting to see how this plays out, Trump has shown no shame in reversing his position on the " big fat ugly bubble"... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4xn9jLy_TB4 [youtube.com]

    Then again, perhaps it is a scheme to let the Seth Rich truth finally come out in court.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @01:46PM (21 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @01:46PM (#827914)

      But will Trump go against the military on this one? He claims to "looooove" the military, so this will test his ... um ... fuck, it's a coin flip.

      • (Score: 4, Funny) by DannyB on Thursday April 11 2019, @02:01PM (20 children)

        by DannyB (5839) on Thursday April 11 2019, @02:01PM (#827930) Journal

        A Trump decision is not a coin flip. It is a Schrodinger's Kittens superposition of states. Each kitten has a Cheshire cat like state connected to the other kittens with non locality distance less than the planck length.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @02:45PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @02:45PM (#827964)

          So wait. Are you telling me Trump is a quantum computer?

          My God!

          • (Score: 4, Funny) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Thursday April 11 2019, @04:26PM

            by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Thursday April 11 2019, @04:26PM (#828088) Journal

            Claims to have all the answers now but really not enough current knowledge to solve things a pocket calculator can?
            A really popular and over-hyped subject that real people shouldn't care about in the slightest but are fascinated with?
            Something which promises to revolutionize everything yet nothing has really yet changed except a whole bunch of money has been spent without real result?

            Yep. Trump is a quantum computer by that definition.

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          • (Score: 3, Funny) by sjames on Thursday April 11 2019, @05:15PM

            by sjames (2882) on Thursday April 11 2019, @05:15PM (#828120) Journal

            More like an evil Beowulf cluster of quantum magic 8-balls.

        • (Score: 4, Funny) by tangomargarine on Thursday April 11 2019, @02:59PM (2 children)

          by tangomargarine (667) on Thursday April 11 2019, @02:59PM (#827985)

          Comparing Trump to a Shroedinger's Cat doesn't work though, because that implies that after being observed he settles on one opinion and sticks with it.

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          • (Score: 4, Insightful) by DannyB on Thursday April 11 2019, @03:08PM (1 child)

            by DannyB (5839) on Thursday April 11 2019, @03:08PM (#827992) Journal

            But he DOES stick with it.

            BREAKING NEWS - - - BREAKING NEWS - - - BREAKING NEWS - - - BREAKING NEWS

            FoxNews Alert: We have always been at war with Europe!

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @07:21PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @07:21PM (#828197)

              To be fair all politicians change their view, they are just better at lying. Thats why they are called... politicians.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @03:34PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @03:34PM (#828019)

          Well, that explains his hair color.

        • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @03:36PM (10 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @03:36PM (#828023)

          Its not complicated - trump says and does whatever he thinks is best for him in the moment. Its been well established the guy has narcissistic personality disorder.

          What's interesting is the origins of the disorder in childhood. One leading theory is that genetic tendencies are exacerbated by an environment where the child can not rely on future relief from emotional stress. For example, a bullied child can usually rely on having a loving mother at home who will kiss their booboos and make them feel safe and secure. A child without that, or even worse a child with a mother who abuses them instead of nurturing them, leaves the child without hope that the future will be better. That warps their time perception - they don't develop a strong distinction between past/present/future. They understand the concepts, but their brain doesn't "live' in a time linear fashion. Instead its more like a perpetual state of "now" - like the worst kind of living-in-the-moment.

          Consequently they literally don't have the mental facilities required to be consistent. They are only ever concerned with dealing with whatever is directly in front of them. They only care about consistency to the point where it can be used to get them what they want right now. Otherwise its literally not important to them. Truth or lies, promises made yesterday, promises made 2 minutes ago, its all about soothing the constant emotional injuries of daily life. Which is why they are also so prone to fits of impotent rage when they can't make the pain go away by bullshitting. In a sense they are the ultimate snowflakes.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @03:59PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @03:59PM (#828054)

            Nah, he isn't delusional. That is just his attitude towards life:

            Mr. Trump: You never know, you know again, the word—– I don’t know what the word permanent means, OK? I never know what the word permanent means.

            https://www.wsj.com/articles/transcript-of-donald-trump-interview-with-the-wall-street-journal-1515715481 [wsj.com]

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday April 11 2019, @04:11PM (7 children)

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday April 11 2019, @04:11PM (#828068) Journal

            MODDED UP!

            And this is a fair description of a few people on this site I can name too...

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            • (Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday April 11 2019, @04:44PM (6 children)

              by Bot (3902) on Thursday April 11 2019, @04:44PM (#828105) Journal

              Someone wants to try feeding some psychoanalytic AI all of Azuma's kind outbursts of compassion towards other SN users, so that she can finally be certified with Mother Theresa levels of sanity?

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              • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @07:39PM (2 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @07:39PM (#828211)

                ButthurtBot always whining. One could easily conclude its all about soothing the narcissistic injury of realizing others can see his psychic wounds more clearly than he can himself.
                Cue more whining.

                • (Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday April 11 2019, @09:18PM (1 child)

                  by Bot (3902) on Thursday April 11 2019, @09:18PM (#828272) Journal

                  >Others can see his psychic wounds more clearly than he can himself.
                  I find it difficult to believe, you miss a lot of detail. It's like tele-surgery, you don't smell the blood.

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                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @10:08PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @10:08PM (#828309)

                    Cue more whining.

                    Exactly as predicted dude. As someone suffering the personality disorder as described, you literally can't let a perceived narcissistic injury pass without trying to hit back because its the only way for you to self-sooth. The irony of it all is that we can all see through you, but you are opaque to yourself.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @11:36PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @11:36PM (#828376)

                Your response is so weird. Azuki bean didn't name any names, didn't even describe any particular events. Just a generic "there are some of those here too."

                  A healthy mind would have said "yeah, sure, there are some really disturbed people on soylent" and kept on going. A disordered mind would see a personal attack in a generic statement like that and get defensive. A remarkable self-own there.

                • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday April 12 2019, @02:03PM

                  by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday April 12 2019, @02:03PM (#828592) Homepage Journal

                  Except of course, your bean has named names. We all know who she talks about when she starts talking about Soylent members.

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              • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday April 12 2019, @02:01PM

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday April 12 2019, @02:01PM (#828591) Homepage Journal

                Now, that's some funny shit, Bot. If you start standup comedy, I want to attend.

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        • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday April 11 2019, @03:37PM (1 child)

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday April 11 2019, @03:37PM (#828026) Journal

          No, it's a coin flip. He just calls heads AND tails.

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Bot on Thursday April 11 2019, @09:20PM

            by Bot (3902) on Thursday April 11 2019, @09:20PM (#828274) Journal

            He is not a real politician until he throws the coin and it disappears already.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @05:01PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @05:01PM (#828117)

      And we have our answer:

      President Trump told reporters in the White House press pool that "I know nothing about Wikileaks. It's not my thing."

      https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-11/julian-assange-arrested-london [zerohedge.com]

      This guy cracks me up...

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Thursday April 11 2019, @07:56PM (3 children)

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday April 11 2019, @07:56PM (#828218) Journal
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @08:16PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @08:16PM (#828229)

          Yep I posted above a video of him saying he "loves" wikileaks.

        • (Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday April 11 2019, @09:22PM

          by Bot (3902) on Thursday April 11 2019, @09:22PM (#828277) Journal

          The fallacy here stems from your implicit and unproven assertion that a presidential candidate knows what he/she/it is talking about.

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        • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Friday April 12 2019, @04:49AM

          by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Friday April 12 2019, @04:49AM (#828480) Homepage Journal

          2016, long time ago. Long time. And I thought Wikileaks was the one with the incredible pictures. With the Bio "Pages" and so many amazing "pages" about things that you never even heard of in your entire life. They have a Bio of Lenora Fulani. And, a Bio of David Duke. People that you probably never heard of. I heard of them, I was running against them. Considering running against them. But, they ruined my Party -- Reform Party. That, by the way, is why I became a Democrat. That, and it's hard to get far in N.Y. as a Republican. I got as far as anyone can get. On my first try -- it's called GENIUS. And I get so many compliments on winning that one so overwhelmingly. When everyone thought Crooked would win.

          Wikileaks, I asked my Cyber Security Advisor about that one. Rudy Giuliani, maybe you've heard of him. Very famous, very smart guy. Whether it's politics, cyber or anything else. Who was the one and only Mayor of New York, he turned New York into this unbelievable place. I said, is Wikileaks the one with the beautiful pictures and stories? Where you have to be famous to get in? And if your name is Michael David Crawford (RIP!!) you're not famous enough. But, Rudy told me "no." He says, this one is about leakers. Leakers and liars. And I've had it up to hear with the leakers and the liars. We have so many. In the White House, in many places. You can't see where I'm pointing. But, I'm pointing at my head, at the top of my head. My fabulous Hair. We did the Prison Reform, the Sentencing Reform -- First Step Act. A gift from me to our Crack users -- and dealers. Our wonderful Inmates. But if they lock up the leakers, lock up the liars for a really long time -- good! That's good for our Country. We locked up Chelsea Manning. Formerly known as Bradley Manning. U.K. has this Assange guy locked up, pretty soon we're going to bring him here. Like we brought El Chapo. And my military guys say it's very good. My C.I.A. guys say it's very good. My Attorney General says it's very good. So I'm thinking, this is very good. I'm thinking, let's lock up all the leakers. All the liars. And win our Wars much more easily. Because we'll stop so much negative (Fake) coverage. I'm the biggest Free Press guy you've ever seen in your entire life. But Fake News has gone too far. They call it News, it's not News. It's LEAKS & LIES. We spent $7 TRILLION in Middle East. Because of Chelsea (used to be Bradley) Manning. Because of this guy Assange. And a few other people like them. At the Amazon Washington Post, at the Corrupt Failing Fake News New York Times. C.N.N. And places like that. LOCK THEM UP AND MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!!

  • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday April 11 2019, @01:56PM (7 children)

    by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Thursday April 11 2019, @01:56PM (#827926) Homepage
    "British government had confirmed in writing that Mr Assange "would not be extradited to a country where he could face torture or the death penalty"."

    So not the US, then.

    Clearly to another country which hasn't made such a promise, and then they can send him to the country which tortures and kills.
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    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Thursday April 11 2019, @02:08PM

      by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Thursday April 11 2019, @02:08PM (#827938) Journal

      Oh but they won't torture or use the death penalty on him, so that's all right then.
      Proof? How many British extraditions occurred last year, despite Britain being fully aware that the U.S. has persons tortured or facing the death penalty? One answer from the horse's mouth. [usembassy.gov]

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    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @02:14PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @02:14PM (#827943)

      Or they extradite him on non death penalty charges, and they get added once he is in the US.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by zocalo on Thursday April 11 2019, @02:18PM (1 child)

      by zocalo (302) on Thursday April 11 2019, @02:18PM (#827946)
      There's no legal issue with extraditing someone to a country with the death penalty *provided* that they will not be sentenced to death, which could potentially mean a commitment to commute a death sentence to life in prison if the extradition request were to be made in connection where such a penalty was possible. Since the US' extradition request makes no mention of such a crime - and in fact states the maximum sentence for the charges is five years in jail - then that's not a valid reason to block it, although that might change if they start adding to the charge sheet. A country could, theoretically, ignore that once they have their suspect, but by doing so they'd basically be providing solid ground for a defence lawyer to get any future extradition requests to rejected. Personal opinions aside, I doubt very much the DoJ will make that kind of policy decision just for someone like Assange.
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      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @03:35PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @03:35PM (#828020)

        What the US wants, the US gets eventually. Your laws be damned, remember the Austro-Bolivian affair.
        The only countries with a hope of frustrating the US are China and Russia.

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @04:04PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @04:04PM (#828060)

      "would not be extradited to a country where he could face torture or the death penalty"

      The US doesn't torture* anyone.






      * just ask them

      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @04:18PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @04:18PM (#828076)

        Then what do you call Trump's Press Briefings?

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @04:24PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @04:24PM (#828084)

          I call them fake news.

  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @02:07PM (12 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @02:07PM (#827936)

    It is difficult to say who benefits from this more. The left MM has claimed this guy is responsible for everything but little green men. Maybe they've convinced themselves that their propaganda has turned him into a wedge issue they can win with. On the other hand, it is a huge 1st amendment case, and he has a hell of a case in the U.S. We could actually end up giving him money and patting him on the ass and sending him on his way.

    Somebody wanted to put this ball in play. But I don't think anybody has any idea on how this is going to end. In any case there are a lot of minions grinning about this thinking that the guy is going to get his just desserts. The thing is, that content he exposed... Yeah, that is still out there. And the whole prosecution really still does look like a vendetta when you examine the facts.

    My guess is they'll use a rubber stamp judge, and refuse to actually talk about what he actually did, in lieu of talking about what MM says he did. Then they'll declare that there is some "secret" that needs to be protected and seal the courts. It is a straight up 1st amendment case, and they are probably going to prosecute it in secret because they are unlikely to win any other way. If you don't see the problem with that, you aren't an American.

    See you on the protest line.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Thursday April 11 2019, @03:54PM (7 children)

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday April 11 2019, @03:54PM (#828045) Journal

      I love how you can blame the action of Trump's DOJ on the left.

      When the left was in charge of the DOJ it DID NOT PROSECUTE due to the very free speech issue you seem so concerned about.

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @05:17PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @05:17PM (#828122)

        Not to mention that all the far-leftie sources have been defending Assange. Right-wingers consistently amaze me.

        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @07:44PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @07:44PM (#828214)

          Its the unfalsifiable logic of conspiracy theorists - everything that contradicts the conspiracy is either completely ignored or co-opted as further proof of the conspiracy.

          Frankly once you learn to recognize the pattern, it is tiresome AF because you can't reason someone out of a belief they never reasoned themselves into. And then they go around declaring that you must respect their idiocy as if critical thinking and emotional pandering are equally valid methods for understanding the world.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @01:57PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @01:57PM (#828589)

          Finding the left wing contemptible does not make one right wing. Most independents find the right just as contemptible. You're misplaced assumption demonstrates you either are a sucker, or you're trying to make suckers out of other people.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @05:22PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @05:22PM (#828129)

        are you referring to the "trump doj" that has been trying to get him arrested or impeached since he got in office? fucking authoritarian state socialist piece of shit.

      • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Friday April 12 2019, @05:07AM

        by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Friday April 12 2019, @05:07AM (#828486) Homepage Journal

        Another 100% FALSE, 100% WRONG DeathMonkey Tweet. Can we call it a lie? Why not, right?

        "And when this information, or reports, whether true or false, surface on the front page of newspapers, that makes the job of folks on the Front Lines tougher and it makes MY job tougher. Which is why since I’ve been in office, my attitude has been ZERO TOLERANCE for these kinds of leaks and speculation!!!

        Now we have Mechanisms in place where, if we can root out folks who have leaked, they will SUFFER CONSEQUENCES. In some cases, it's criminal. These are criminal acts when they release information like this! And we will conduct thorough investigations, as we have in the past." Cheatin' Obama.

        And if you couldn't tell. That's something he said when he was the President. When he had TOTAL & COMPLETE CONTROL. They called it the War on Whistleblowers. And they even made a movie about that one -- by the same name. And it wasn't fiction. Documentary!!!! imdb.com/title/tt2910440 [imdb.com]

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @05:37AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @05:37AM (#828497)

        The left was never in charge of the DOJ; center-right corporate democrats were. Other than that, yes.

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday April 12 2019, @02:16PM

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday April 12 2019, @02:16PM (#828599) Homepage Journal

        Uhhhhhmmmmmm - who did they not prosecute, exactly? Are you talking about someone else, or are you talking about people whom they couldn't apprehend?

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @03:59PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @03:59PM (#828053)

      What's "MM"?

      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @04:07PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @04:07PM (#828064)

        In this context I would assume "MM" is "Mainstream Media".

        • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday April 11 2019, @10:35PM (1 child)

          by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Thursday April 11 2019, @10:35PM (#828332)

          From the context, I assumed it was Malcolm Marshall. [wikipedia.org]

          Seems right, there are huge number of cricket fans on this site aren't there?

          • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday April 11 2019, @10:42PM

            by c0lo (156) on Thursday April 11 2019, @10:42PM (#828340) Journal

            Seems right, there are huge number of cricket fans on this site aren't there?

            Yeah, love 'em, especially Jiminy.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by ledow on Thursday April 11 2019, @02:29PM (33 children)

    by ledow (5567) on Thursday April 11 2019, @02:29PM (#827952) Homepage

    Yeah, for computer offences, with a maximum sentence of five years in prison.

    Which, let's be honest... I could probably stand up in any court in the world and get him prosecuted for... because he's definitely and knowingly released private information gained by *someone* intruding into computers that don't belong to them - and knew that.

    He's gonna serve time for breaking bail. Get extradited (still a maybe, it's only a request at the moment, and he can stand trial / appeal against it from within a UK prison, no problem). Be in prison (probably in the US) for a few years, then be out. Then probably get sent back to Australia and it'll be really hard for him

    By then, it having been several years since he's been on the news rather than several weeks, nobody will care at all about what he has to say.

    At worst, he'll give us about seven years of glorious silence once the fuss dies down.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by takyon on Thursday April 11 2019, @02:39PM (11 children)

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Thursday April 11 2019, @02:39PM (#827956) Journal

      Yeah, sure. This is the last thing the U.S. will charge him with. They threw the book at him, but could only find 1 "computer crime" charge.

      Hopefully he or Wikileaks will continue to raise some hell. If you want silence, wear some earplugs.

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      • (Score: 5, Informative) by ledow on Thursday April 11 2019, @02:53PM (1 child)

        by ledow (5567) on Thursday April 11 2019, @02:53PM (#827977) Homepage

        The US extradition request ONLY mention computer charges. Sure, they could add more in theory later.

        But by definition the very FIRST thing they have to charge him with are the computer crime charges. Because without that, the extradition request doesn't even get activated.

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by Pav on Thursday April 11 2019, @09:19PM

          by Pav (114) on Thursday April 11 2019, @09:19PM (#828273)

          Up to 45 years [canberratimes.com.au] apparently.

      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Thursday April 11 2019, @07:34PM (8 children)

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday April 11 2019, @07:34PM (#828207) Journal

        Hopefully he or Wikileaks will continue to raise some hell. If you want silence, wear some earplugs.

        It would be very gratifying if Wikileaks had a nuclear option to trigger now. A huge cascade of revelations to trigger a broad Arab Spring-style uprising in the West. I would love to walk up to the roof of my building on its height in Brooklyn and watch the Wall Street schmucks swarming the helipad on the East River in full panic. I would even pop popcorn and throw a party.

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        Washington DC delenda est.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @08:22PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @08:22PM (#828234)

          A huge cascade of revelations to trigger a broad Arab Spring-style uprising in the West. I would love to walk up to the roof of my building on its height in Brooklyn and watch the Wall Street schmucks swarming the helipad on the East River in full panic. I would even pop popcorn and throw a party.

          I'm appalled! WTF is wrong with you? You are just an evil person with no moral anchor or scruples of any kind! How could you do such a thing?

          Popcorn is disgusting, wrong and evil! The smell alone makes me want to hurl.

          Go with guacamole and chips instead, you monster!

          • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Saturday April 13 2019, @12:47AM

            by Phoenix666 (552) on Saturday April 13 2019, @12:47AM (#828808) Journal

            Nah, my downstairs neighbors are bringing the guac and chips. I'm bringing the popcorn. The fourth floor is making the sangria.

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            Washington DC delenda est.
        • (Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday April 11 2019, @09:27PM (4 children)

          by Bot (3902) on Thursday April 11 2019, @09:27PM (#828283) Journal

          > a broad Arab Spring-style uprising in the West
          People don't self organize like that. First you need to make people desperate, then you need to organize them into an issue then present the solution, then you have the uprising. Ask socialists, they master this stuff.

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          Account abandoned.
          • (Score: 4, Touché) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday April 11 2019, @10:37PM

            by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Thursday April 11 2019, @10:37PM (#828334)

            Ask socialists, they master this stuff.

            Funny thing to call the CIA.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @02:51AM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @02:51AM (#828444)

            Ask socialists, they master this stuff.

            Yes... It comes from a study of the objective social forces that shape history, which leads to a better analysis of current events.

            First you need to make people desperate

            This is the easiest step for a socialist, since they don't need to even lift a finger here. Capitalism takes care of it for them while they're busy off ruminating about theory and dialectic and studying history. The wswswsws series This Week in History is particularly interesting (this week's edition [wsws.org]).

            • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday April 12 2019, @02:22PM (1 child)

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday April 12 2019, @02:22PM (#828602) Homepage Journal

              So, you're saying that capitalists were in control of both Russia and China when the commies started their genocidal purges? Got it, the Tsar was a capitalist, and so were the Nationalists in China.

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              Through a Glass, Darkly -George Patton
              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @02:20PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @02:20PM (#828959)

                No, GP is saying that "the capitalists" were in control of the country which is responsible for the oppression and/or mass murder of the people in Iran, Guatemala, Albania, Syria, Nicaragua, Cambodia, Congo, Bolivia, Ghana, Chile, Afghanistan and many others.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @12:44AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @12:44AM (#828408)

          It would be very gratifying if Wikileaks had a nuclear option to trigger now. A huge cascade of revelations to trigger a broad Arab Spring-style uprising in the West.

          I wouldn't hold my breath. At least not until Guccifer [wikipedia.org] 3.0, or whatever Putin's lackeys are calling themselves these days, get a pretty good haul.

          Failing that, I'm guessing a webcam inside Bernie Sanders' toilet, or maybe a deepfake [wikipedia.org] video of Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer bumping uglies and plotting the downfall of western civilization.

          But you won't see anything that hurts L'Orange. I wonder why? Not.

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday April 11 2019, @02:41PM

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday April 11 2019, @02:41PM (#827960) Homepage Journal

      Where have we heard that, and similar, phrases before?

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      Through a Glass, Darkly -George Patton
    • (Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Thursday April 11 2019, @03:56PM (11 children)

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday April 11 2019, @03:56PM (#828049) Journal

      ... because he's definitely and knowingly released private information gained by *someone* intruding into computers that don't belong to them - and knew that.

      That's not a crime so long as you did not participate in the penetration. Which is why the Obama DOJ chose not to go after him.

      Now, to be fair to the current DOJ, what they are alleging is that he DID participate in the penetration and that is a crime.

      • (Score: 1, Redundant) by ledow on Thursday April 11 2019, @04:43PM (9 children)

        by ledow (5567) on Thursday April 11 2019, @04:43PM (#828103) Homepage

        You need to read what Manning has testified he told her to do.

        It's a conspiracy charge, so he only has to have encouraged it, known about it and not reported it, and yet he went much further than even that - encouraging her to continue to do it more, knowing exactly that what they were doing is illegal.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Thursday April 11 2019, @04:53PM (1 child)

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday April 11 2019, @04:53PM (#828112) Journal

          Yep, agreed, that would count as "participation" in my book.

          Mostly just pointing out that all the arguments claiming it's a clear free speech issue are missing the point.

          • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Friday April 12 2019, @05:31AM

            by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Friday April 12 2019, @05:31AM (#828494) Homepage Journal

            Thank you, I agree. 100%. This is not about Free Speech. Also referred to as, Free Press. This is about COLLUSION -- CONSPIRACY. On a Computer. Can you imagine if Fake News C.N.N., Corrupt Failing Fake News New York Times or the horrible Amazon Washington Post said to somebody, "oh, turn on Computer so you can steal many Documents for us!!" They don't do that. They don't need to -- they make up the Documents with their imagination. Because they know, if they started with the leakers. And if they started with Computer, with Computer Leaks. With Stolen Documents -- MAJOR PRISON TIME. I put up with so much from them. But at least they don't do that. And with Julian locked up, they're not going to. They can see we mean business. And we're Keeping America Great!!!!

        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Mykl on Friday April 12 2019, @03:10AM (6 children)

          by Mykl (1112) on Friday April 12 2019, @03:10AM (#828450)

          Illegal in the USA. He wasn't in the USA when he did it. Assange committed no crime on American soil.

          • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Friday April 12 2019, @05:36AM (3 children)

            by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Friday April 12 2019, @05:36AM (#828496) Homepage Journal

            Computer belonged to America. To America's Army. Which is now my Army. And you seem to think, "oh it's O.K. to Hack American Computer, so long as you do it from another country." From Sweden or wherever. Very foolish and that's not the way it works.

            • (Score: 2) by Mykl on Friday April 12 2019, @05:53AM (2 children)

              by Mykl (1112) on Friday April 12 2019, @05:53AM (#828505)

              I'm sorry - I didn't realise it was Julian Assange who personally undertook the hacking.

              What's that? Oh, he didn't?! All he did was to provide encouragement and advice to someone else, while not on US soil at any point? If that's a crime in the country he's in, then prosecute there. But it's not a crime for the US courts to prosecute.

              Corollary - While in Sweden, I give a gun/polonium/viper/bottle of TMB's sweat to an assassin. That assassin travels to the US and shoots/feeds/bites/douses the victim, who dies. My supply of the murder weapon is not a US crime, though it may be a crime in Sweden.

              • (Score: 2) by Mykl on Friday April 12 2019, @05:59AM (1 child)

                by Mykl (1112) on Friday April 12 2019, @05:59AM (#828506)

                Sorry, just realised that I didn't add my context to the above.

                I don't believe he was involved in the actual hack itself. Why? Because they're only just claiming that now as a way to get the extradition to work. If it was actually the case, it would've been claimed looong ago.

          • (Score: 2) by ledow on Friday April 12 2019, @08:15AM (1 child)

            by ledow (5567) on Friday April 12 2019, @08:15AM (#828529) Homepage

            So if I hack into the White House door control system from the UK, and trap Trump in a door and kill him, does that mean I can't be charged and tried in the US for that crime?

            That's not how it works. For a start, that's what extraditions MEANS. This guy broke *our*laws, we'd like him to face our justice system, please. And then the other country (where he just so happened to be / do it from) oblige by arresting and extraditing him.

            "American soil" means nothing, and that's not just America's rule. If you hacked into MI5, the NHS, GHCQ, Downing Street, etc. then you can be pretty damn sure that they'll want to bring you before a UK court, wherever you happened to be.

            The system he *gained unlawful entry to* was based in the US. That's enough, even by 50-year-old laws, let alone laws that take account of the global Internet.

            Hell, did you know you can get done for "inter-state" crimes because you were in one state and posted things / accessed things / sent money to another state.

            You honestly need to seriously review any international legal case for the last... 100 years or more.

            Extradition is literally the process designed for exactly such cases, and you do not have to be on any particular soil to have commited a crime against a certain country.

      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @08:24PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @08:24PM (#828236)

        what they are alleging is that he DID participate in the penetration and that is a crime.

        I thought that was in Sweden. He raped 'murikkan women too?

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @07:30PM (6 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @07:30PM (#828206)

      definitely and knowingly released private information gained by *someone* intruding into computers that don't belong to them - and knew that.

      Not a crime, at least in the United States, where there is no "Official Secrets Act". Please see the "Pentagon Papers", from an earlier generation.

      • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Friday April 12 2019, @05:37AM (5 children)

        by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Friday April 12 2019, @05:37AM (#828498) Homepage Journal

        Pentagon Papers was NOT Computer, dummy!!!! That one was stolen with Xerox Machine. Big big difference!!!!

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday April 12 2019, @02:29PM (4 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday April 12 2019, @02:29PM (#828609) Homepage Journal

          Allow me to paraphrase an earlier post. "On a computer" means jack shit. Stealing data is stealing data. You've read too much of those idiot patents, where an ages old idea is submitted for a new patent because "on a computer".

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          Through a Glass, Darkly -George Patton
          • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Friday April 12 2019, @03:39PM (3 children)

            by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Friday April 12 2019, @03:39PM (#828640) Homepage Journal

            You don't like reading. And that's O.K., I love the poorly read. But, maybe you can read the name. Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, sometimes known as C.F.A.A. Famous American Law and that one's 34 years old. Almost 35, you have to be 35 to be President. Ivanka, by the way, is old enough and I think if she ran for President she could win very easily. Very easily.

            C.F.A.A., very special Law that's all about Computer. Nothing about Patent, or Patents. Incredible that they thought of that one in 1984. When Computer was just getting started. Remember DynaTAC? DynaTAC had just come out, we were on DynaTAC in those days -- those of us that were very successful. You were somebody if you had DynaTAC. And if you had the special antenna that swings around and around, the revolving antenna, you were really somebody very special!!!!

            • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday April 12 2019, @03:58PM (2 children)

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday April 12 2019, @03:58PM (#828647) Homepage Journal

              I love reading. I am expressing my contempt for all the stupid SOB's who think that a crime, or any other process, is special because "on a computer".

              Scenario 1: I pick your pocket, and get $1000
              Scenario 2: I hold you up at gunpoint, and get $1000
              Scenario 3: I hold you up at knife point, and get $1000
              Scenario 4: I break into your home or office, and steal $1000
              Scenario 5: I scam you on the telephone, and steal $1000
              Scenario 6: I scam you on a computer, and steal $1000
              Scenario 7: I kidnap you, and get ransom of $1000
              Scenario 8: I kidnap your kid, and get ransom of $1000

              Which of those is the most morally corrupt act? And, which is the least morally corrupt? And, why?

              Think about it, and maybe I won't have to explain my contempt.

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              Through a Glass, Darkly -George Patton
              • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Friday April 12 2019, @04:39PM (1 child)

                by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Friday April 12 2019, @04:39PM (#828657) Homepage Journal

                My Tweet was too long, or too hard for you. O.K. We have a special law about Computer. Called C.F.A.A. And that's what Julian is charged with!!!

                • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday April 12 2019, @05:09PM

                  by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday April 12 2019, @05:09PM (#828669) Homepage Journal

                  *sigh*

                  You tweet like any vacuous bird brain. Yeah, you do tend to stay in character, most of the time. Do we try this one more time? I am in utter contempt of anyone who feels the need to say "on a computer". Know what? I may just patent that. Bird brains, on a computer. I'll use your portrait where most people would put drawings and other graphics.

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                  Through a Glass, Darkly -George Patton
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @02:04PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @02:04PM (#828593)

      "maximum sentence of five years in prison"

      That is a hugely bad assumption. The reason they are only charging him with one count, is so that they can then widen the net later. If they say "hey we are just talking about this" and prove it, then that changes everything he received from being a journalistic source, to being a product of espionage. Subsequent charges then follow.

      They may only have one charge, but they'll never settle. Make no mistake, they are going to try and lock him up for life.

      The one charge isn't accidental. The fact that the MM is flinging this number around, though they all know better isn't accidental either.