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Breaking: Met police confirm that Julian Assange has been arrested at the Ecuadorian embassy.
Mr Assange took refuge in the embassy seven years ago to avoid extradition to Sweden over a sexual assault case that has since been dropped.
The Met Police said he was arrested for failing to surrender to the court.
Ecuador's president Lenin Moreno said it withdrew Mr Assange's asylum after his repeated violations to international conventions.
But WikiLeaks tweeted that Ecuador had acted illegally in terminating Mr Assange's political asylum "in violation of international law".
[...] Scotland Yard said it was invited into the embassy by the ambassador, following the Ecuadorian government's withdrawal of asylum.
After his arrest for failing to surrender to the court, police said he had been further arrested on behalf of US authorities under an extradition warrant.
He doesn't look happy, to say the least.
Update: As this is a breaking story, more information is coming out regularly - one source that updates their reports frequently is Zero Hedge - thanks boru!
Previously: New Analysis of Swedish Police Report Confirms Julian Assange's Version in Sweden's Case
Ecuador Reportedly Almost Ready to Hand Julian Assange Over to UK Authorities
UK Said Assange Would Not be Extradited If He Leaves Embassy Refuge
Inadvertent Court Filing Suggests that the U.S. DoJ is Preparing to Indict Julian Assange
U.S. Ramping Up Probe Against Julian Assange, WikiLeaks Says
Ecuador Denies That Julian Assange Will be Evicted From Embassy in London
(Score: 5, Informative) by takyon on Thursday April 11 2019, @01:24PM (83 children)
Julian Assange Charged by U.S. With Conspiracy to Hack a Government Computer [nytimes.com]
Time for many "I told you so"s.
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(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @01:36PM (27 children)
"I love wikileaks"- Candidate Trump
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mUtT0b0EnSw [youtube.com]
Interesting to see how this plays out, Trump has shown no shame in reversing his position on the " big fat ugly bubble"... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4xn9jLy_TB4 [youtube.com]
Then again, perhaps it is a scheme to let the Seth Rich truth finally come out in court.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @01:46PM (21 children)
But will Trump go against the military on this one? He claims to "looooove" the military, so this will test his ... um ... fuck, it's a coin flip.
(Score: 4, Funny) by DannyB on Thursday April 11 2019, @02:01PM (20 children)
A Trump decision is not a coin flip. It is a Schrodinger's Kittens superposition of states. Each kitten has a Cheshire cat like state connected to the other kittens with non locality distance less than the planck length.
Police can legally stop you for having too much tent on your window.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @02:45PM (2 children)
So wait. Are you telling me Trump is a quantum computer?
My God!
(Score: 4, Funny) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Thursday April 11 2019, @04:26PM
Claims to have all the answers now but really not enough current knowledge to solve things a pocket calculator can?
A really popular and over-hyped subject that real people shouldn't care about in the slightest but are fascinated with?
Something which promises to revolutionize everything yet nothing has really yet changed except a whole bunch of money has been spent without real result?
Yep. Trump is a quantum computer by that definition.
This sig for rent.
(Score: 3, Funny) by sjames on Thursday April 11 2019, @05:15PM
More like an evil Beowulf cluster of quantum magic 8-balls.
(Score: 4, Funny) by tangomargarine on Thursday April 11 2019, @02:59PM (2 children)
Comparing Trump to a Shroedinger's Cat doesn't work though, because that implies that after being observed he settles on one opinion and sticks with it.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 4, Insightful) by DannyB on Thursday April 11 2019, @03:08PM (1 child)
But he DOES stick with it.
BREAKING NEWS - - - BREAKING NEWS - - - BREAKING NEWS - - - BREAKING NEWS
FoxNews Alert: We have always been at war with Europe!
Police can legally stop you for having too much tent on your window.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @07:21PM
To be fair all politicians change their view, they are just better at lying. Thats why they are called... politicians.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @03:34PM
Well, that explains his hair color.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @03:36PM (10 children)
Its not complicated - trump says and does whatever he thinks is best for him in the moment. Its been well established the guy has narcissistic personality disorder.
What's interesting is the origins of the disorder in childhood. One leading theory is that genetic tendencies are exacerbated by an environment where the child can not rely on future relief from emotional stress. For example, a bullied child can usually rely on having a loving mother at home who will kiss their booboos and make them feel safe and secure. A child without that, or even worse a child with a mother who abuses them instead of nurturing them, leaves the child without hope that the future will be better. That warps their time perception - they don't develop a strong distinction between past/present/future. They understand the concepts, but their brain doesn't "live' in a time linear fashion. Instead its more like a perpetual state of "now" - like the worst kind of living-in-the-moment.
Consequently they literally don't have the mental facilities required to be consistent. They are only ever concerned with dealing with whatever is directly in front of them. They only care about consistency to the point where it can be used to get them what they want right now. Otherwise its literally not important to them. Truth or lies, promises made yesterday, promises made 2 minutes ago, its all about soothing the constant emotional injuries of daily life. Which is why they are also so prone to fits of impotent rage when they can't make the pain go away by bullshitting. In a sense they are the ultimate snowflakes.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @03:59PM (1 child)
Nah, he isn't delusional. That is just his attitude towards life:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/transcript-of-donald-trump-interview-with-the-wall-street-journal-1515715481 [wsj.com]
(Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Thursday April 11 2019, @04:35PM
The two are not incongruent with each other.
This sig for rent.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday April 11 2019, @04:11PM (7 children)
MODDED UP!
And this is a fair description of a few people on this site I can name too...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday April 11 2019, @04:44PM (6 children)
Someone wants to try feeding some psychoanalytic AI all of Azuma's kind outbursts of compassion towards other SN users, so that she can finally be certified with Mother Theresa levels of sanity?
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(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @07:39PM (2 children)
ButthurtBot always whining. One could easily conclude its all about soothing the narcissistic injury of realizing others can see his psychic wounds more clearly than he can himself.
Cue more whining.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday April 11 2019, @09:18PM (1 child)
>Others can see his psychic wounds more clearly than he can himself.
I find it difficult to believe, you miss a lot of detail. It's like tele-surgery, you don't smell the blood.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @10:08PM
Exactly as predicted dude. As someone suffering the personality disorder as described, you literally can't let a perceived narcissistic injury pass without trying to hit back because its the only way for you to self-sooth. The irony of it all is that we can all see through you, but you are opaque to yourself.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @11:36PM (1 child)
Your response is so weird. Azuki bean didn't name any names, didn't even describe any particular events. Just a generic "there are some of those here too."
A healthy mind would have said "yeah, sure, there are some really disturbed people on soylent" and kept on going. A disordered mind would see a personal attack in a generic statement like that and get defensive. A remarkable self-own there.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday April 12 2019, @02:03PM
Except of course, your bean has named names. We all know who she talks about when she starts talking about Soylent members.
A MAN Just Won a Gold Medal for Punching a Woman in the Face
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday April 12 2019, @02:01PM
Now, that's some funny shit, Bot. If you start standup comedy, I want to attend.
A MAN Just Won a Gold Medal for Punching a Woman in the Face
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday April 11 2019, @03:37PM (1 child)
No, it's a coin flip. He just calls heads AND tails.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Bot on Thursday April 11 2019, @09:20PM
He is not a real politician until he throws the coin and it disappears already.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @05:01PM (4 children)
And we have our answer:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-11/julian-assange-arrested-london [zerohedge.com]
This guy cracks me up...
(Score: 3, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Thursday April 11 2019, @07:56PM (3 children)
Trump mentioned Wikileaks 164 times in the last month of the 2016 election. [thinkprogress.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @08:16PM
Yep I posted above a video of him saying he "loves" wikileaks.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday April 11 2019, @09:22PM
The fallacy here stems from your implicit and unproven assertion that a presidential candidate knows what he/she/it is talking about.
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(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Friday April 12 2019, @04:49AM
2016, long time ago. Long time. And I thought Wikileaks was the one with the incredible pictures. With the Bio "Pages" and so many amazing "pages" about things that you never even heard of in your entire life. They have a Bio of Lenora Fulani. And, a Bio of David Duke. People that you probably never heard of. I heard of them, I was running against them. Considering running against them. But, they ruined my Party -- Reform Party. That, by the way, is why I became a Democrat. That, and it's hard to get far in N.Y. as a Republican. I got as far as anyone can get. On my first try -- it's called GENIUS. And I get so many compliments on winning that one so overwhelmingly. When everyone thought Crooked would win.
Wikileaks, I asked my Cyber Security Advisor about that one. Rudy Giuliani, maybe you've heard of him. Very famous, very smart guy. Whether it's politics, cyber or anything else. Who was the one and only Mayor of New York, he turned New York into this unbelievable place. I said, is Wikileaks the one with the beautiful pictures and stories? Where you have to be famous to get in? And if your name is Michael David Crawford (RIP!!) you're not famous enough. But, Rudy told me "no." He says, this one is about leakers. Leakers and liars. And I've had it up to hear with the leakers and the liars. We have so many. In the White House, in many places. You can't see where I'm pointing. But, I'm pointing at my head, at the top of my head. My fabulous Hair. We did the Prison Reform, the Sentencing Reform -- First Step Act. A gift from me to our Crack users -- and dealers. Our wonderful Inmates. But if they lock up the leakers, lock up the liars for a really long time -- good! That's good for our Country. We locked up Chelsea Manning. Formerly known as Bradley Manning. U.K. has this Assange guy locked up, pretty soon we're going to bring him here. Like we brought El Chapo. And my military guys say it's very good. My C.I.A. guys say it's very good. My Attorney General says it's very good. So I'm thinking, this is very good. I'm thinking, let's lock up all the leakers. All the liars. And win our Wars much more easily. Because we'll stop so much negative (Fake) coverage. I'm the biggest Free Press guy you've ever seen in your entire life. But Fake News has gone too far. They call it News, it's not News. It's LEAKS & LIES. We spent $7 TRILLION in Middle East. Because of Chelsea (used to be Bradley) Manning. Because of this guy Assange. And a few other people like them. At the Amazon Washington Post, at the Corrupt Failing Fake News New York Times. C.N.N. And places like that. LOCK THEM UP AND MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!!
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday April 11 2019, @01:56PM (7 children)
So not the US, then.
Clearly to another country which hasn't made such a promise, and then they can send him to the country which tortures and kills.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 5, Interesting) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Thursday April 11 2019, @02:08PM
Oh but they won't torture or use the death penalty on him, so that's all right then.
Proof? How many British extraditions occurred last year, despite Britain being fully aware that the U.S. has persons tortured or facing the death penalty? One answer from the horse's mouth. [usembassy.gov]
This sig for rent.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @02:14PM
Or they extradite him on non death penalty charges, and they get added once he is in the US.
(Score: 3, Informative) by zocalo on Thursday April 11 2019, @02:18PM (1 child)
UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @03:35PM
What the US wants, the US gets eventually. Your laws be damned, remember the Austro-Bolivian affair.
The only countries with a hope of frustrating the US are China and Russia.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @04:04PM (2 children)
The US doesn't torture* anyone.
* just ask them
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @04:18PM (1 child)
Then what do you call Trump's Press Briefings?
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @04:24PM
I call them fake news.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @02:07PM (12 children)
It is difficult to say who benefits from this more. The left MM has claimed this guy is responsible for everything but little green men. Maybe they've convinced themselves that their propaganda has turned him into a wedge issue they can win with. On the other hand, it is a huge 1st amendment case, and he has a hell of a case in the U.S. We could actually end up giving him money and patting him on the ass and sending him on his way.
Somebody wanted to put this ball in play. But I don't think anybody has any idea on how this is going to end. In any case there are a lot of minions grinning about this thinking that the guy is going to get his just desserts. The thing is, that content he exposed... Yeah, that is still out there. And the whole prosecution really still does look like a vendetta when you examine the facts.
My guess is they'll use a rubber stamp judge, and refuse to actually talk about what he actually did, in lieu of talking about what MM says he did. Then they'll declare that there is some "secret" that needs to be protected and seal the courts. It is a straight up 1st amendment case, and they are probably going to prosecute it in secret because they are unlikely to win any other way. If you don't see the problem with that, you aren't an American.
See you on the protest line.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Thursday April 11 2019, @03:54PM (7 children)
I love how you can blame the action of Trump's DOJ on the left.
When the left was in charge of the DOJ it DID NOT PROSECUTE due to the very free speech issue you seem so concerned about.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @05:17PM (2 children)
Not to mention that all the far-leftie sources have been defending Assange. Right-wingers consistently amaze me.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @07:44PM
Its the unfalsifiable logic of conspiracy theorists - everything that contradicts the conspiracy is either completely ignored or co-opted as further proof of the conspiracy.
Frankly once you learn to recognize the pattern, it is tiresome AF because you can't reason someone out of a belief they never reasoned themselves into. And then they go around declaring that you must respect their idiocy as if critical thinking and emotional pandering are equally valid methods for understanding the world.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @01:57PM
Finding the left wing contemptible does not make one right wing. Most independents find the right just as contemptible. You're misplaced assumption demonstrates you either are a sucker, or you're trying to make suckers out of other people.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @05:22PM
are you referring to the "trump doj" that has been trying to get him arrested or impeached since he got in office? fucking authoritarian state socialist piece of shit.
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Friday April 12 2019, @05:07AM
Another 100% FALSE, 100% WRONG DeathMonkey Tweet. Can we call it a lie? Why not, right?
"And when this information, or reports, whether true or false, surface on the front page of newspapers, that makes the job of folks on the Front Lines tougher and it makes MY job tougher. Which is why since I’ve been in office, my attitude has been ZERO TOLERANCE for these kinds of leaks and speculation!!!
Now we have Mechanisms in place where, if we can root out folks who have leaked, they will SUFFER CONSEQUENCES. In some cases, it's criminal. These are criminal acts when they release information like this! And we will conduct thorough investigations, as we have in the past." Cheatin' Obama.
And if you couldn't tell. That's something he said when he was the President. When he had TOTAL & COMPLETE CONTROL. They called it the War on Whistleblowers. And they even made a movie about that one -- by the same name. And it wasn't fiction. Documentary!!!! imdb.com/title/tt2910440 [imdb.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @05:37AM
The left was never in charge of the DOJ; center-right corporate democrats were. Other than that, yes.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday April 12 2019, @02:16PM
Uhhhhhmmmmmm - who did they not prosecute, exactly? Are you talking about someone else, or are you talking about people whom they couldn't apprehend?
A MAN Just Won a Gold Medal for Punching a Woman in the Face
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @03:59PM (3 children)
What's "MM"?
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @04:07PM (2 children)
In this context I would assume "MM" is "Mainstream Media".
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday April 11 2019, @10:35PM (1 child)
From the context, I assumed it was Malcolm Marshall. [wikipedia.org]
Seems right, there are huge number of cricket fans on this site aren't there?
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday April 11 2019, @10:42PM
Yeah, love 'em, especially Jiminy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 3, Insightful) by ledow on Thursday April 11 2019, @02:29PM (33 children)
Yeah, for computer offences, with a maximum sentence of five years in prison.
Which, let's be honest... I could probably stand up in any court in the world and get him prosecuted for... because he's definitely and knowingly released private information gained by *someone* intruding into computers that don't belong to them - and knew that.
He's gonna serve time for breaking bail. Get extradited (still a maybe, it's only a request at the moment, and he can stand trial / appeal against it from within a UK prison, no problem). Be in prison (probably in the US) for a few years, then be out. Then probably get sent back to Australia and it'll be really hard for him
By then, it having been several years since he's been on the news rather than several weeks, nobody will care at all about what he has to say.
At worst, he'll give us about seven years of glorious silence once the fuss dies down.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by takyon on Thursday April 11 2019, @02:39PM (11 children)
Yeah, sure. This is the last thing the U.S. will charge him with. They threw the book at him, but could only find 1 "computer crime" charge.
Hopefully he or Wikileaks will continue to raise some hell. If you want silence, wear some earplugs.
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(Score: 5, Informative) by ledow on Thursday April 11 2019, @02:53PM (1 child)
The US extradition request ONLY mention computer charges. Sure, they could add more in theory later.
But by definition the very FIRST thing they have to charge him with are the computer crime charges. Because without that, the extradition request doesn't even get activated.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Pav on Thursday April 11 2019, @09:19PM
Up to 45 years [canberratimes.com.au] apparently.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Thursday April 11 2019, @07:34PM (8 children)
It would be very gratifying if Wikileaks had a nuclear option to trigger now. A huge cascade of revelations to trigger a broad Arab Spring-style uprising in the West. I would love to walk up to the roof of my building on its height in Brooklyn and watch the Wall Street schmucks swarming the helipad on the East River in full panic. I would even pop popcorn and throw a party.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @08:22PM (1 child)
I'm appalled! WTF is wrong with you? You are just an evil person with no moral anchor or scruples of any kind! How could you do such a thing?
Popcorn is disgusting, wrong and evil! The smell alone makes me want to hurl.
Go with guacamole and chips instead, you monster!
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Saturday April 13 2019, @12:47AM
Nah, my downstairs neighbors are bringing the guac and chips. I'm bringing the popcorn. The fourth floor is making the sangria.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday April 11 2019, @09:27PM (4 children)
> a broad Arab Spring-style uprising in the West
People don't self organize like that. First you need to make people desperate, then you need to organize them into an issue then present the solution, then you have the uprising. Ask socialists, they master this stuff.
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(Score: 4, Touché) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday April 11 2019, @10:37PM
Funny thing to call the CIA.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @02:51AM (2 children)
Yes... It comes from a study of the objective social forces that shape history, which leads to a better analysis of current events.
This is the easiest step for a socialist, since they don't need to even lift a finger here. Capitalism takes care of it for them while they're busy off ruminating about theory and dialectic and studying history. The wswswsws series This Week in History is particularly interesting (this week's edition [wsws.org]).
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday April 12 2019, @02:22PM (1 child)
So, you're saying that capitalists were in control of both Russia and China when the commies started their genocidal purges? Got it, the Tsar was a capitalist, and so were the Nationalists in China.
A MAN Just Won a Gold Medal for Punching a Woman in the Face
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @02:20PM
No, GP is saying that "the capitalists" were in control of the country which is responsible for the oppression and/or mass murder of the people in Iran, Guatemala, Albania, Syria, Nicaragua, Cambodia, Congo, Bolivia, Ghana, Chile, Afghanistan and many others.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @12:44AM
I wouldn't hold my breath. At least not until Guccifer [wikipedia.org] 3.0, or whatever Putin's lackeys are calling themselves these days, get a pretty good haul.
Failing that, I'm guessing a webcam inside Bernie Sanders' toilet, or maybe a deepfake [wikipedia.org] video of Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer bumping uglies and plotting the downfall of western civilization.
But you won't see anything that hurts L'Orange. I wonder why? Not.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday April 11 2019, @02:41PM
Where have we heard that, and similar, phrases before?
A MAN Just Won a Gold Medal for Punching a Woman in the Face
(Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Thursday April 11 2019, @03:56PM (11 children)
That's not a crime so long as you did not participate in the penetration. Which is why the Obama DOJ chose not to go after him.
Now, to be fair to the current DOJ, what they are alleging is that he DID participate in the penetration and that is a crime.
(Score: 1, Redundant) by ledow on Thursday April 11 2019, @04:43PM (9 children)
You need to read what Manning has testified he told her to do.
It's a conspiracy charge, so he only has to have encouraged it, known about it and not reported it, and yet he went much further than even that - encouraging her to continue to do it more, knowing exactly that what they were doing is illegal.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Thursday April 11 2019, @04:53PM (1 child)
Yep, agreed, that would count as "participation" in my book.
Mostly just pointing out that all the arguments claiming it's a clear free speech issue are missing the point.
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Friday April 12 2019, @05:31AM
Thank you, I agree. 100%. This is not about Free Speech. Also referred to as, Free Press. This is about COLLUSION -- CONSPIRACY. On a Computer. Can you imagine if Fake News C.N.N., Corrupt Failing Fake News New York Times or the horrible Amazon Washington Post said to somebody, "oh, turn on Computer so you can steal many Documents for us!!" They don't do that. They don't need to -- they make up the Documents with their imagination. Because they know, if they started with the leakers. And if they started with Computer, with Computer Leaks. With Stolen Documents -- MAJOR PRISON TIME. I put up with so much from them. But at least they don't do that. And with Julian locked up, they're not going to. They can see we mean business. And we're Keeping America Great!!!!
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Mykl on Friday April 12 2019, @03:10AM (6 children)
Illegal in the USA. He wasn't in the USA when he did it. Assange committed no crime on American soil.
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Friday April 12 2019, @05:36AM (3 children)
Computer belonged to America. To America's Army. Which is now my Army. And you seem to think, "oh it's O.K. to Hack American Computer, so long as you do it from another country." From Sweden or wherever. Very foolish and that's not the way it works.
(Score: 2) by Mykl on Friday April 12 2019, @05:53AM (2 children)
I'm sorry - I didn't realise it was Julian Assange who personally undertook the hacking.
What's that? Oh, he didn't?! All he did was to provide encouragement and advice to someone else, while not on US soil at any point? If that's a crime in the country he's in, then prosecute there. But it's not a crime for the US courts to prosecute.
Corollary - While in Sweden, I give a gun/polonium/viper/bottle of TMB's sweat to an assassin. That assassin travels to the US and shoots/feeds/bites/douses the victim, who dies. My supply of the murder weapon is not a US crime, though it may be a crime in Sweden.
(Score: 2) by Mykl on Friday April 12 2019, @05:59AM (1 child)
Sorry, just realised that I didn't add my context to the above.
I don't believe he was involved in the actual hack itself. Why? Because they're only just claiming that now as a way to get the extradition to work. If it was actually the case, it would've been claimed looong ago.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday April 12 2019, @02:26PM
Who knows WTF has been claimed in some secret court?
A MAN Just Won a Gold Medal for Punching a Woman in the Face
(Score: 2) by ledow on Friday April 12 2019, @08:15AM (1 child)
So if I hack into the White House door control system from the UK, and trap Trump in a door and kill him, does that mean I can't be charged and tried in the US for that crime?
That's not how it works. For a start, that's what extraditions MEANS. This guy broke *our*laws, we'd like him to face our justice system, please. And then the other country (where he just so happened to be / do it from) oblige by arresting and extraditing him.
"American soil" means nothing, and that's not just America's rule. If you hacked into MI5, the NHS, GHCQ, Downing Street, etc. then you can be pretty damn sure that they'll want to bring you before a UK court, wherever you happened to be.
The system he *gained unlawful entry to* was based in the US. That's enough, even by 50-year-old laws, let alone laws that take account of the global Internet.
Hell, did you know you can get done for "inter-state" crimes because you were in one state and posted things / accessed things / sent money to another state.
You honestly need to seriously review any international legal case for the last... 100 years or more.
Extradition is literally the process designed for exactly such cases, and you do not have to be on any particular soil to have commited a crime against a certain country.
(Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Monday April 15 2019, @02:30PM
The system who gained unlawful entry to?
This sig for rent.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @08:24PM
I thought that was in Sweden. He raped 'murikkan women too?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11 2019, @07:30PM (6 children)
Not a crime, at least in the United States, where there is no "Official Secrets Act". Please see the "Pentagon Papers", from an earlier generation.
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Friday April 12 2019, @05:37AM (5 children)
Pentagon Papers was NOT Computer, dummy!!!! That one was stolen with Xerox Machine. Big big difference!!!!
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday April 12 2019, @02:29PM (4 children)
Allow me to paraphrase an earlier post. "On a computer" means jack shit. Stealing data is stealing data. You've read too much of those idiot patents, where an ages old idea is submitted for a new patent because "on a computer".
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(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Friday April 12 2019, @03:39PM (3 children)
You don't like reading. And that's O.K., I love the poorly read. But, maybe you can read the name. Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, sometimes known as C.F.A.A. Famous American Law and that one's 34 years old. Almost 35, you have to be 35 to be President. Ivanka, by the way, is old enough and I think if she ran for President she could win very easily. Very easily.
C.F.A.A., very special Law that's all about Computer. Nothing about Patent, or Patents. Incredible that they thought of that one in 1984. When Computer was just getting started. Remember DynaTAC? DynaTAC had just come out, we were on DynaTAC in those days -- those of us that were very successful. You were somebody if you had DynaTAC. And if you had the special antenna that swings around and around, the revolving antenna, you were really somebody very special!!!!
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday April 12 2019, @03:58PM (2 children)
I love reading. I am expressing my contempt for all the stupid SOB's who think that a crime, or any other process, is special because "on a computer".
Scenario 1: I pick your pocket, and get $1000
Scenario 2: I hold you up at gunpoint, and get $1000
Scenario 3: I hold you up at knife point, and get $1000
Scenario 4: I break into your home or office, and steal $1000
Scenario 5: I scam you on the telephone, and steal $1000
Scenario 6: I scam you on a computer, and steal $1000
Scenario 7: I kidnap you, and get ransom of $1000
Scenario 8: I kidnap your kid, and get ransom of $1000
Which of those is the most morally corrupt act? And, which is the least morally corrupt? And, why?
Think about it, and maybe I won't have to explain my contempt.
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(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Friday April 12 2019, @04:39PM (1 child)
My Tweet was too long, or too hard for you. O.K. We have a special law about Computer. Called C.F.A.A. And that's what Julian is charged with!!!
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday April 12 2019, @05:09PM
*sigh*
You tweet like any vacuous bird brain. Yeah, you do tend to stay in character, most of the time. Do we try this one more time? I am in utter contempt of anyone who feels the need to say "on a computer". Know what? I may just patent that. Bird brains, on a computer. I'll use your portrait where most people would put drawings and other graphics.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @02:04PM
"maximum sentence of five years in prison"
That is a hugely bad assumption. The reason they are only charging him with one count, is so that they can then widen the net later. If they say "hey we are just talking about this" and prove it, then that changes everything he received from being a journalistic source, to being a product of espionage. Subsequent charges then follow.
They may only have one charge, but they'll never settle. Make no mistake, they are going to try and lock him up for life.
The one charge isn't accidental. The fact that the MM is flinging this number around, though they all know better isn't accidental either.