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posted by n1 on Thursday May 05 2016, @09:45PM   Printer-friendly
from the magical-numbers dept.

Late Wednesday, Brown signed the bill raising the age for tobacco use, including vaping, to 21, the Associated Press reports. He also vetoed a bill that would have asked voters to divert tobacco taxes to pay for the health expenses of those with tobacco-related ailments, according to the Los Angeles Times.

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  • (Score: 2) by edIII on Friday May 06 2016, @07:59AM

    by edIII (791) on Friday May 06 2016, @07:59AM (#342463)

    So actually smokers and the obese are subsidizing your healthcare.

    Ready to pay more to make up the difference?

    It's actually an argument about who is, and who is not, the majority. In any case, you've assumed wrong about me. I've been in the obese category for most of my life, and paid the differences in medical insurance (when I had it) and certainly suffer the financial burdens associated with it.

    So been there done that, and I disagree with the study you posted. You've basically stated that obese people are cheaper because they die sooner. What kind of sick fuck are you? Healthy long living people are the problem? By that logic every cig you suck down is doing a public service, which is ludicrous on its face.

    But I do like how you wrap yourself in the majority to justify being a sanctimonious prick.

    You can keep saying it, but that doesn't make it true. Your the inconsiderate asshole who smokes, and therefore deliberately exposes others to toxins and chemicals. Which apparently is fine, as long as you get your enjoyment right? I disagree on me being sanctimonious, but it is inarguable that you're the inconsiderate asshole.

    Moving the goalposts

    The only goal post I could have moved is with the precautionary principle, which just means you're a fucking moron. That principle is not intrinsically moving any goal post anywhere, and I dismissed no evidence whatsoever. Would you like to provide some evidence before I can dismiss it and ask for more?

    Special pleading

    Pray tell, what exception did I overlook for what rule? It sounds like you're saying that all the evidence against smoking we have now, is the evidence of my special pleading by creating an exception to some rule. Again, what's the exception to what rule that I overlooked? I genuinely want to know, as I would be surprised at any evidence you can provide as to the harmlessness of nicotine. Good luck getting that evidence, buddy. No, vaping is not an exception to the generally accepted principle that nicotine is bad, and no I don't need to justify it. It's a fact, that vaping releases nicotine and a litany of other chemical compounds.

    Cherry picking

    Strange, I thought I was very comprehensive and thorough as to why you're the inconsiderate asshole. If I'm guilty, it was unintentional. What evidence did I overlook? Moreover, I requested additional evidence meaning it can't be cherry picking. Even so, what have I overlooked as the positive benefits of vaping, both for the user and bystanders? What did I fail to consider in the gestalt about vaping, nicotine consumption, and public enjoyment thereof?

    Overwhelming exception

    Yeah, I guess when all is said and done it really is reduced to the unimpressive facts of you just being an inconsiderate asshole that believes you have the right to subject others to toxic chemicals and unwanted noxious smells in public. I didn't generalize shit. Vaping is perfectly equivalent with smoking, in so far as that the chemicals involved are still present, or in worse quantities.

    Nope, the burden of proof is on you to justify why smoking is a special case amongst all other possible health risks encountered in the public sphere.

    Yeah, no it isn't. You obviously don't understand the precautionary principle, and worship at the alter that is the Kehoe Paradigm. The burden is light indeed, as the work has already been performed for the past five fucking decades that we've understood that smoking is harmful to your health.

    Google it if you want the proof. More than enough provided.

    If you want to argue that restrictions on smoking in public are not properly justified, well..... lol! Okay man, I guess we've never justified the restrictions huh? Back to the drawing board (sarcasm).

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