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posted by martyb on Monday December 05 2016, @01:13PM   Printer-friendly
from the embrace-extend-extinguish? dept.

According to an article at Snopes.com:

The Army Corps of Engineers has denied the easement needed to complete the Dakota Access Pipeline, according Colonel Henderson, who notified Veterans for Standing Rock co-organizer Michael A. Wood Jr on 4 December 2016.

More than 3,000 veterans had converged at the Standing Rock camp to support the Sioux in their ongoing opposition to the building of a $3.7 billion pipeline that would cross through disputed land managed by the Army Corps of Engineers. Wood said upon learning of the move, "This is history."

From a report in Al Jazeera :

The US Army Corps of Engineers has turned down a permit for a controversial pipeline project running through North Dakota, in a victory for Native Americans and climate activists who have protested against the project for several months, according to a statement released.

The 1,885km Dakota Access Pipeline, owned by Texas-based Energy Transfer Partners LP, had been complete except for a segment planned to run under Lake Oahe, a reservoir formed by a dam on the Missouri River.

"The Army will not grant an easement to cross Lake Oahe at the proposed location based on the current record," a statement from the US Army said.

The Standing Rock Sioux tribe, along with climate activists, have been protesting the $3.8bn project, saying it could contaminate the water supply and damage sacred tribal lands.

[...] "Today, the US Army Corps of Engineers announced that it will not be granting the easement to cross Lake Oahe for the proposed Dakota Access Pipeline," said Standing Rock Chairman Dave Archambault II, in a statement.

"Instead, the Corps will be undertaking an environmental impact statement to look at possible alternative routes."


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  • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 05 2016, @04:36PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 05 2016, @04:36PM (#437227)

    > Yea, who knew that Trump, like every president before him would give cabinet positions to political allies?

    It isn't that he picked political allies. Its that he's a damn hypocrite. Or is it your contention that trump has no political allies that aren't members of the swamp? That would be even more damning of hypocrisy.

    As usual, khallow applies juvenile analysis to avoid addressing the real issue.
    Does nominative determinism apply to usernames?

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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday December 05 2016, @04:48PM

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday December 05 2016, @04:48PM (#437237) Journal
    There's a reason I'm not taking this complaint seriously. Hypocrisy is not the worst thing ever.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 05 2016, @04:51PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 05 2016, @04:51PM (#437241)

      > There's a reason I'm not taking this complaint seriously.

      Birds of a feather stick together, eh?

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday December 05 2016, @04:58PM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday December 05 2016, @04:58PM (#437246) Journal
        There are other evils in the world than hypocrisy and quite a few are far worse.
        • (Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 05 2016, @04:59PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 05 2016, @04:59PM (#437249)

          Wooosh.

          Let me spell it out for you.
          YOU are a frequent hypocrite on this site.
          Capiche?
          Too damn stupid to know when you are being insulted.

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday December 05 2016, @05:52PM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday December 05 2016, @05:52PM (#437277) Journal
            Thought so. You have nothing to say.

            There is something deeply wrong with your outlook on politics. Hypocrisy is far from the worst evil out there so why dwell on it. It gives strength to the scoundrels (such as Trump, I might add) since hypocrisy is their bread and butter.

            And rather than cry wolf over a trivial issue, how about wait till Trump actually does something wrong. It probably won't take long.
            • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 05 2016, @06:55PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 05 2016, @06:55PM (#437305)

              There is something deeply wrong with your outlook on politics.

              You did NOT just say that bullshit.

              Hypocrisy is far from the worst evil out there so why dwell on it.

              That is some lame-ass "children are starving in africa" sophistry.

              Why "dwell" on hypocrisy?
              Because if you can't count on a politician to at least try to live up to their rhetoric then you are reduced to nothing more than tribalism. You throw out principles in favor of rote partisanship. It is a cynicism that erodes the foundations of democracy. It induces despair and hopelessness. WORDS MATTER. If society is unwilling to hold their elected leaders to account for their words, then why even have elections? You, in your callow understanding of the world, are advocating for authoritarianism.

              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday December 05 2016, @07:44PM

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday December 05 2016, @07:44PM (#437343) Journal
                Look, the Treasury is the last place I want anti-establishment theatrics. A banker with experience works for me even if you think it's somehow hypocritical. Just look at what's going on in India right now. Last month, the idiot in charge decided, as part of some massively misguided effort to fight corruption and collect taxes, to declare the largest banknotes instantly void and it's been a massive fubar ever since.

                Because if you can't count on a politician to at least try to live up to their rhetoric then you are reduced to nothing more than tribalism.

                Let us note that you haven't established that there is a problem in the first place along these lines. Why the propensity to cry "wolf"?

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 05 2016, @09:08PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 05 2016, @09:08PM (#437383)

                  > Look, the Treasury is the last place I want anti-establishment theatrics.

                  I really DGAF what you want. You are a narcissist with literally no knowledge of civics. What you want is immaterial.

                  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday December 06 2016, @07:50AM

                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 06 2016, @07:50AM (#437564) Journal

                    I really DGAF what you want. You are a narcissist with literally no knowledge of civics. What you want is immaterial.

                    What a remarkable string of non sequiturs. Wasn't much point to posting that even if you were any good at pop psychology or civics. That you "DGAF" is irrelevant. That you think I'm a narcissist (look up the symptoms sometime) is irrelevant even if it were true. And knowledge of civics is rather irrelevant to anything discussed in this thread.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 05 2016, @10:50PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 05 2016, @10:50PM (#437438)

                  The only problem they had is that they couldn't print the new notes fast enough. All the problems were based on that. Of course all the corrupt rich with rooms full of cash are going to run crying to the media and make a big fuss. Thats exactly the target.

                  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday December 06 2016, @08:27AM

                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 06 2016, @08:27AM (#437571) Journal

                    The only problem they had is that they couldn't print the new notes fast enough.

                    That's absurd. Even if we pretend that all the legit people successfully turn in their money (and this doesn't turn into an exercise to steal from hundreds of millions of poor people), that's still a billion or so people who have to waste time just because some fuck forced them to.

                    Of course all the corrupt rich with rooms full of cash are going to run crying to the media and make a big fuss. Thats exactly the target.

                    What corrupt rich is retarded enough to keep their wealth as Indian banknotes in the first place? This whole scheme is absolutely stupid especially when considered from basic principles.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by edIII on Monday December 05 2016, @06:25PM

          by edIII (791) on Monday December 05 2016, @06:25PM (#437295)

          Yes. You engender and represent many of them. Die in a fire today, you stupid fuck.

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          • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Monday December 05 2016, @07:09PM

            by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday December 05 2016, @07:09PM (#437313) Journal

            I'm incensed, too, but those feelings are better channeled into a robust reply than wishing someone death.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 05 2016, @07:16PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 05 2016, @07:16PM (#437319)

              Why?

              I don't know if he's autistic or just pathologically incapable of learning, but if there is one thing that's true about callow is that he's got zero interest in honest intellectual discussion. At some point you give up on the principle of charity and give him what he earns.

              Its not like the performance of debate is going to bring new ideas to light for examination by an audience. He never says anything new. He's not a useful foil. Admit it, nothing callow has said in the last couple of years has surprised you, has it? The guy's a mental robot.

              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday December 05 2016, @08:18PM

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday December 05 2016, @08:18PM (#437364) Journal

                I don't know

                This is the problem in a nutshell. You're ignorant. Fix it please rather than threatening people with death just because you can't figure out how to understand them. Every discussion involving you has been an utter waste of everyone's time.

                Its not like the performance of debate is going to bring new ideas to light for examination by an audience.

                That is the point of debate.

                He never says anything new.

                Of course, because you never listen. I'm done with this.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 05 2016, @09:52PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 05 2016, @09:52PM (#437407)

                  > I'm done with this.

                  I so, so, so fucking wish that were true.

                  But we all know you'll just come back to spout your ignorance as fact in the very next story. Probably even in other comments on this story.

                • (Score: 3, Funny) by edIII on Tuesday December 06 2016, @09:31PM

                  by edIII (791) on Tuesday December 06 2016, @09:31PM (#438045)

                  Every discussion involving you has been an utter waste of everyone's time.

                  Hello, fuckface. Just to be absolutely clear with you, the AC was not me. That was somebody else that notices what a piece of shit you are, and how useless you are on this planet towards any goals of peace, cooperation, and/or enlightenment.

                  You are the utter waste of everyone's time, and you don't ever say anything new. Just more blind acceptance and kowtow'ng to the disgusting ideals you hold, namely Capitalism infected by extreme avarice, profit over people, the right to do whatever the fuck you want regardless of the cautionary principle, you name it.

                  Every single time you speak, you promulgate the views handed to you by the Elites to continue with the status quo, or just make it worse for the American worker in favor of the Elites. That's why we would all be much better off if you spontaneously caught on fire. You act as a barrier to our progress, and the fact you're a sniveling fuckwad bitterly complaining about how *your* society is being destroyed because we seek equality and living wages from below in extreme material deprivation, is the primary reason why you should burn in hell. You have the cruel audacity to claim we should continue, that's it clearly all of our faults, and that the Elites have done nothing wrong with setting up the systems we have. You would continue with 1/5 (close to being 1/4) children suffering malnourished in a critical time during neural development, to our extreme detriment in the future.

                  You're dangerously ignorant, arrogant, and deeply callous. Your name fits you perfectly.

                  Again, die in a fire you stupid evil bitch. I don't need to respond to you as an AC, and I won't ever "attack" you from the shadows. Remember that fuckface.

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                  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday December 07 2016, @07:46AM

                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday December 07 2016, @07:46AM (#438244) Journal
                    The obvious rebuttal here is that outcome matters, intent does not. It doesn't matter what you intend, only what the consequences of your ideals and actions are. The problem with all these touchie feelie programs and initiatives is that they don't work. There's always deep problems that are glossed over and deep harms that are blamed on convenient scapegoats.

                    Sure, if you can get enough unicorns and pixie dust to make "seeking equality and living wages from below in extreme material deprivation" a useful thing to do (assuming it's more effective than approaches I've mentioned over the years, which is a challenging threshold to beat), then fine we can unilaterally do that, even if government or society isn't inclined to do so (which incidentally is a thing about stuff that works, you don't need to have all of society in on it).

                    Every single time you speak, you promulgate the views handed to you by the Elites to continue with the status quo, or just make it worse for the American worker in favor of the Elites.

                    This is fundamentally why I don't take you seriously. If these sorts of approaches actually worked, we'd see evidence of that by now. Instead, all we hear are elaborate excuses for why things don't work such as the "Elites" mentally failwaving us (after they suddenly discovered greed in the 1970s).

                    • (Score: 2) by edIII on Wednesday December 07 2016, @10:41PM

                      by edIII (791) on Wednesday December 07 2016, @10:41PM (#438539)

                      Again, the stupid fuck speaks.

                      The problem with all these touchie feelie programs and initiatives is that they don't work. There's always deep problems that are glossed over and deep harms that are blamed on convenient scapegoats.

                      Riiiiggghtt. They weren't setup to fail? Mismangaged? Deliberately sabotaged? This is why you are such an ignorant fuckwad. Take welfare for example, when they decided that part of welfare was vocational training. Superficially, that sounds fucking great, intelligent, and a path for success right? WRONG. Those in power knew how to fuck these people, fuck the program, and still keep the problems around to point out when they say, "Yeah, but those programs never fucking work". Uh huh. Well what about if you DIDNT train 5,000 beauticians for jobs that don't exist? Then afterwards, we blame THEM for not finding a job again. We blame THEM for a shitty educational system where REAL and DAMAGING disparities in funding and resources exist. To say we actually gave them equal opportunity is one of the greatest lie in our country.

                      See, this is why you are so offensively ignorant. One of the great cycles of pain we had in Capitalism was the speed-ups in the 19th century. We made so much product, that in our ignorance (or was it?), that we caused our own economic issues. Just like the welfare programs did last century prepping people for service jobs that didn't exist just to be doing *something*.

                      So don't even fucking act like we had a chance to do it right, or that it wasn't fucked from the start of it. Most of those programs in the past weren't designed to do much for people ultimately, but just temporarily remove them from the workforce as unemployed people. Lowering the barrier for education, providing loans, GI Bill, and not pumping up the educational system to handle the load is another example of engineered failure.

                      I might be onboard with your version of reality if the Repugnicans didn't fight tooth and nail the entire time in the same way the South fought back against their loss by instituting Jim-Crow and fucking terrorizing African-Americans for nearly 100 more years. I bet according to your logic, the civil war was a failure to bring equality, and the fault lay with the African-Americans?

                      Sure, if you can get enough unicorns and pixie dust to make "seeking equality and living wages from below in extreme material deprivation" a useful thing to do

                      This is why you should spend eternity in the most painful area of Hell. It's not a USEFUL thing to do, you offensive sniveling piece of shit, but the RIGHT thing to do. We DESERVE equality and living wages from a moral and ethical standpoint. You stupid fuck, we CREATE the WEALTH. Why would we create ANYTHING just to sit in squalor afterwards with Elites looking down us with that wealth telling us, "Idle hands are the devils playthings, and working 16 hours a day is good for you"? Meanwhile, they play in elaborate and lavish parties held in the mansions of the coal and railroad robber barons. Were the Elites of the time really working hard labor for 16 hours a day to make sure their OWN HANDS didn't become tools of the Devil?

                      I'm going to give you some credit and believe you didn't mean to put in equality in that statement so dismissively. Otherwise, what the fuck is wrong with you?

                      (which incidentally is a thing about stuff that works, you don't need to have all of society in on it).

                      Interesting. Something we agree on. Incidentally, we don't need everyone to join a revolution, but just enough to engage in civil war to the extent that we can finally have change. Quite possibly, without any blood shed at all were the participation levels high enough.

                      assuming it's more effective than approaches I've mentioned over the years, which is a challenging threshold to beat

                      Ohh fuck you, you arrogant piece of shit. You haven't set any thresholds of ideas to be "beaten". You haven't proposed anything but continuing on with the status quo, and you REFUSE to acknowledge a living wage as a right due to all the work the people are performing every day. You instead continue with this idea that a janitor needs to be punished all his life as somebody that failed to achieve anything, and as a just reward, he lives in squalor. The entire time ignoring that somebody else is taking the majority of all the wealth he helps create every single day. You think his manager, or owner (de facto chattle slavery, but less for the slave essentially), actually deserves the lion's share of the wealth for some management?

                      I can accept that some people can earn a shit load more than anyone else, as a reward for their intelligence, ambition, and achievements, but I will NEVER accept that people need to live in material deprivation while working 2 jobs. Or 3. That's where the inequality lays you piece of shit.

                      This is fundamentally why I don't take you seriously. If these sorts of approaches actually worked, we'd see evidence of that by now. Instead, all we hear are elaborate excuses for why things don't work such as the "Elites" mentally failwaving us (after they suddenly discovered greed in the 1970s).

                      This is why if I ever meet you, have a body guard with you. That's how offensive of a barrier you are to our progress towards equality.

                      It's not mental failwaiving you offensive fuckwad, but political and regulatory capture to the extent all the programs were engineered to fail, improperly funded due to hell bound Senators and Congressmen playing fucking Jim-Crow style games to make absolutely sure the programs never had a chance.

                      Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Burn in Hell.

                      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday December 08 2016, @08:02AM

                        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 08 2016, @08:02AM (#438664) Journal
                        edIII, I believe any further communication between us will be unproductive and perhaps harmful to you. Thus, I will not reply to your posts. I ask that you in turn do not reply to my posts.