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posted by Fnord666 on Friday February 17 2017, @11:19PM   Printer-friendly
from the courts-aren't-buying-it dept.

It's still illegal to manufacture firearms for others without a license.

A Sacramento, California man was sentenced Thursday to over three years in prison for unlawful manufacture of a firearm and one count of dealing firearms.

Last year, Daniel Crownshield, pleaded guilty to those counts in exchange for federal prosecutors dropping other charges. According to investigators, Crowninshield, known online as "Dr. Death," would sell unfinished AR-15 lower receivers, which customers would then pay for him to transform into fully machined lower receivers using a computer numerically controlled (CNC) mill. (In October 2014, Cody Wilson, of Austin, Texas, who has pioneered 3D-printed guns, began selling a CNC mill called "Ghost Gunner," designed to work specifically on the AR-15 lower.)

"In order to create the pretext that the individual in such a scenario was building his or her own firearm, the skilled machinist would often have the individual press a button or put his or her hands on a piece of machinery so that the individual could claim that the individual, rather than the machinist, made the firearm," the government claimed in its April 14 plea agreement.

So, if he taught a class in how to do it would he also then be a criminal?


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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Saturday February 18 2017, @10:53PM

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday February 18 2017, @10:53PM (#468756) Journal

    https://www.numbeo.com/crime/gmaps_rankings_country.jsp [numbeo.com]

    Hover over the US - you get a crime index of 48.76.

    UK 41.19
    France 43.66
    Russia 46.05
    Italy 44.66

    HOLY CRAP LOOK AT AUSTRIA AT 19.25!

    Switzerland is quite respectable at 22.45

    https://www.numbeo.com/crime/indices_explained.jsp [numbeo.com]

    Crime Index is an estimation of overall level of crime in a given city or a country. We consider crime levels lower than 20 as very low, crime levels between 20 and 40 as being low, crime levels between 40 and 60 as being moderate, crime levels between 60 and 80 as being high and finally crime levels higher than 80 as being very high.

    Again - my nation spans a continent. It occupies a significant portion of a continent. If you want to compare Europe to the US, then you must compare in an equitable manner. The landmass and diversity of all of the US and all of Europe are roughly equal. Let's compare the whole damned nation to the entire continent, and we find that the numbers aren't very dissimilar. Most efforts at comparison are exercises in dishonesty.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 19 2017, @12:37AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 19 2017, @12:37AM (#468780)

    Correct number: United States Crime rate: 48.76 Safety Index:51.24
                                                            Khazakhstan 48.29 51.71

    Well, at least the US is only slightly more criminal and less safe that Khazakhistan!

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday February 19 2017, @12:47AM

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 19 2017, @12:47AM (#468784) Journal

      What did I say about exercise in dishonesty? You can't compare a continent spanning nation to some little fuckistan. Compare to EUROPE, not to one dinky country. Don't be a dink.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 19 2017, @01:04AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 19 2017, @01:04AM (#468794)

        Admit it, Runaway, you have no idea where Khazakhistan is, let alone how large of a country it is, do you?

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Sunday February 19 2017, @01:41AM

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 19 2017, @01:41AM (#468814) Journal

          http://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/kazakhstan [mylifeelsewhere.com]

          And, again, you're trying to compare the entire US to one nation that is only as large as one of our regions.

          Worse, Kazakhstan isn't even part of Europe, so now you're trying to compare apples to some kind of melon, rather than to tangerines or apricots.

          And, going back to my other post - the US and Europe have comparable crime statistics. Go ahead, point your fingers at the US, and laugh at the relative crime statistics in comparison to Kazakhstan. YOU DON'T RANK ANY BETTER IN THE SAME COMPARISON!!

          Is English your first language, or maybe your second or third .... or twentieth?

          Let me make this as clear as possible: Almost every published comparison of crime in the US and any European country is a lie. Certain places in the US are relatively unsafe, while other places in the US are very safe. Certain places in Europe are well known to be unsafe, while there are very safe places in Europe. OVERALL, neither the US or Europe is especially safe. Both the US and Europe are generally safer than most of Africa, the mideast, and much of Asia, or South America. That's about as much as all those comparison get right - we both enjoy more safety than third world countries.

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  • (Score: 2) by FakeBeldin on Sunday February 19 2017, @06:34PM

    by FakeBeldin (3360) on Sunday February 19 2017, @06:34PM (#469012) Journal

    Fine, let's compare it to Europe, shall we?

    Inhabitants Europe, according to Google's definition of "Europe": 743 mln.
    Inhabitants USA (again, according to Google): 318 mln.
    As their surface area is comparable, Europe has roughly double the population density of the USA.

    Europe is a continent with 45 nations, with about 225 languages spoken. The USA is one nation, with English as official language, Spanish now 2nd, and a smattering of immigrant languages. Almost no one identifies as European, while inhabitants of the USA proudly proclaim to be US citizens. Power of Europe's president is minor compared to the power of the heads of individual states (Case in point: have you heard of Angela Merkel? Have you heard of Herman van Rompuy? exactly.)
    Europe has places where people drive on the left, and others where people drive on the right.

    Yeah, comparing the USA to Europe is an exercise in extreme dishonesty.

    Thinking the USA must be incomparable to countries in Europe just because it's so big is sheer hubris. Thinking the USA is much more diverse than any country in Europe underscores just how little you know these countries.
    Case in point: there is a country in Europe that has both industrialised areas and rural (agricultural) areas. touristy and abandoned areas, has harbours and through-roads, has a city with political influence over the continent, where in some parts the main language of the nation is just not understood, has dirt-poor areas and rich areas, plains and mountains, and has complex politics with national, federal and local government interfering with each other's operations.
    It's called Belgium - one of the smaller nations in Europe, by the way.

    Let's toss in China for the comparison. Almost equal surface area, slightly more people. Most folks there have shared origins, just like inhabitants in the USA. (Not saying they all get along: in the USA, this background means some were North, some were South. Some were KKK, some were hanged by the KKK, etc. Same is true for China)

    Number of guns per capita [wikipedia.org]
    China: 4.9
    USA: 112.6
    Europe: <30 (average)

    Crime rate according to your link:
    USA: 48.76
    China: 33.9
    Europe: about 40 (estimate)

    Conclusion:
    Just looking at the number of guns per capita should already underscore how incomparable the USA is to other countries. It should also underscore that other nations have found vastly different solutions to problems that the USA addresses with guns. Proudly proclaiming that more guns will solve those problems just shows how completely ignorant you are of the existence of other solutions.
    *Maybe* it's the best for the USA given its current inhabitants and culture. So let's hear arguments why that would be fundamentally the case.

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday February 20 2017, @02:18AM

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday February 20 2017, @02:18AM (#469135) Journal

      So, bottom line, China is safer than Europe, and you want to make excuses. And, the excuse you have decided on, is that you have "diversity".

      Let me point out, virtually all Europeans are caucasians. Europeans share one religion, for the most part. That "diversity" thing you're bragging on isn't so very diverse as you would have us to believe.

      But, go ahead, feel superior to the US.

      Oh yeah - who started both world wars? It wasn't the US, was it? And, who colonized Africa and the Americas, along with much of Asia? That wasn't the US was it? Hell, man, the US was one of the colonies, until we revolted.

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      • (Score: 2) by FakeBeldin on Tuesday February 21 2017, @09:13AM

        by FakeBeldin (3360) on Tuesday February 21 2017, @09:13AM (#469628) Journal

        So, bottom line, China is safer than Europe,

        Yes.

        and you want to make excuses.

        No, I don't.

        And, the excuse you have decided on, is that you have "diversity".

        "We" do.
        Me myself, not so much though.

        Let me point out, virtually all Europeans are caucasians.

        Most Europeans are actually not from the Caucasus [wikipedia.org]. Neither are they white Americans. Or do you use that term to refer to "White People [wikipedia.org]"? As Wikipedia puts it:

        "White people is a racial classification specifier, used for people of Europid ancestry,"

        If you're using the term "caucasian" to refer to "people of Europid ancestry", then yes. Most Europeans are of European ancestry. Tautology man strikes again.

        Europeans share one religion, for the most part.

        Again, I have no clue how you define "one religion". One way could be "a group willing to bash in another group based on the other's perceived religion." In that case, no, we didn't have one religion in the past, and those divisions that we had evolved to stop bashing each other's brains in, not to be "one religion".

        But, go ahead, feel superior to the US.

        Not so much, actually. Europe is different from the USA.
        The whole point of the message was that some of the challenges are similar between them, but some of the solutions are radically different. Instead of railing against it and shouting at the top of your lungs how America is Great, you should look into what others are doing and how it's working for them and how it could apply to your country.

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday February 21 2017, @03:07PM

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday February 21 2017, @03:07PM (#469701) Journal

          "shouting at the top of your lungs how America is Great,"

          I don't think I've posted much of that kind of crap. But, you remind me of one of Walton and Johnson's cute little bylines. "We've got the greatest douchebags in the world!" When I heard that little tagline once again, abour half an hour ago, I thought about putting it in my signature here.

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