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Over at MSFN Forums, user 'harkaz' has described a simple 3-step method of applying newer Microsoft updates to Windows XP operating systems.
He says: "The constraints are entirely artificial. Porting is easy as 1-2-3 ... So Windows XP can have semi-official support until 2019!"
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(Score: 2) by frojack on Sunday May 18 2014, @03:39AM
Yes, it can be THAT expensive for retired people or the poor, and Win 7 won't be available much longer [computerworld.com].
Three hundred dollars might mean little to you, but to some it can mean quite a bit.
Often these users are low risk anyway, they surf, write email, look up recipes. But every once in a while they buy something on line, or check log into their bank, and that is where the problem begins.
XP isn't actually dead yet. It just shouldn't be on line.
(This also describes some of the users.)
I'd recommend these folks get a Chromebook than sink money into another version of windows.
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(Score: 4, Informative) by umafuckitt on Sunday May 18 2014, @03:56AM
Or just install Linux on the existing machine and don't spend a penny.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Horse With Stripes on Sunday May 18 2014, @01:10PM
That will still cost them money. Most non-techies are not confident enough (and often not capable enough) to install an OS. So these folks will have to pay someone to do it. It's not as expensive as a new computer, but they are still using older hardware (which should suffice for most casual users).
(Score: 2) by umafuckitt on Sunday May 18 2014, @02:37PM
Well... Exactly. It's cheaper than a new computer. A Linux install is now pretty straightforward for many distros. With the right install guide a lot of beginners could likely do it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 18 2014, @04:31AM
XP isn't actually dead yet. It just shouldn't be on line.
(This also describes some of the users.)
I like that. I'm stealing it.
I'd recommend these folks get a Chromebook [rather] than sink money into another version of windows.
...or get a $0 OS that does the tasks they do (out of the box, even) for the current box.
...and surely these folks' neighborhood/town has a supply of nerds (e.g. the local LUG).
(Munich was handing out Ubuntu CDs. I didn't see it mentioned explicitly, but is seems logical that directions to boot to it were on the shuck.)
Now, one of these days those decade-old HDDs will croak, so long-term, yeah, ChromeBook.
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1 of the 2 justifiable ongoing use cases has been mentioned:
Specialized gear with no drivers beyond XP.
The other justifiable use case is an exotic "XP-only" app.
...and again, those boxes that stay with XP should strictly be air-gapped affairs.
With the coverage WINE has for XP APIs these days, again, the $0 OS just might be a solution.
-- gewg_
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 18 2014, @04:33AM
A computer that cost $300 2 years ago would probably be $100 or less today. Computer prices drop insanely fast.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Hairyfeet on Sunday May 18 2014, @04:33AM
Then point them to craigslist, I have had to do this for some poor senior citizens (I charged them a whole $10, less than the cost of gas for my big ass Yukon) and was easily able to find dual core systems that not only came with Win 7 but would be trivial down the road to upgrade to Win 8 or 9 should they choose. Final cost? One paid $85, the other $90 and both systems had modern multicores, at least 3GB of RAM, at least 320GB HDD, and IGPs powerful enough to do hardware acceleration of most formats.
ACs are never seen so don't bother. Always ready to show SJWs for the racists they are.
(Score: 2) by unitron on Sunday May 18 2014, @10:59AM
I'm assuming this was a Craigslist in a rather large sized community.
Perhaps even a large sized community with a lot of nearby large universities and high-tech companies and workers likely to upgrade to the latest thing fairly regularly, resulting in a very good stock (thereby driving down prices) of not all that far out of date used gear.
This is far from being a universal condition.
Even between the Charlotte and Raleigh Craigslist sites I can spot inequality of shopping opportunity or price difference between the same items.
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(Score: 2) by Hairyfeet on Sunday May 18 2014, @06:03PM
Actually its in the poorest state in the nation so I'd say if I can do it? Anybody can, you simply have to be willing to wait a little bit to find a good deal if one isn't on that day. Just looking today the first hit I find is a Win 7 laptop for $135 [craigslist.org] that is a dual core with 2GB of RAM and a 320GB HDD, more than enough and no buying an OS.
ACs are never seen so don't bother. Always ready to show SJWs for the racists they are.
(Score: 2) by unitron on Sunday May 18 2014, @11:00PM
Looks like it's in the richest part of the poorest state.
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(Score: 2) by Hairyfeet on Monday May 19 2014, @01:16AM
Your point? The average pay is $35k so any way you slice it its a poor state and it still took me all of 5 minutes to find a nice sub $150 system with Win 7 preinstalled and ready. if I were to keep an eye out for a week i have zero doubt i could find a sub $100 system with Win 7 because as I said I've already done so twice before, and both little old ladies are quite happy with their new systems.
ACs are never seen so don't bother. Always ready to show SJWs for the racists they are.
(Score: 2) by unitron on Monday May 19 2014, @03:15AM
My point is that the offerings on that Craigslist are far better than on the Craigslist sites for many "not large, wealthy, or influential" communities.
Craigslist is far from monolithic and how good a deal you can find there is very dependent on location.
Which is why most of my Craigslist purchases involve having to convince someone who doesn't know me from Adam to take PayPal or a check and to ship to me at my expense.
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(Score: 2) by Hairyfeet on Monday May 19 2014, @05:58AM
Unless you are living in the Dakotas, which from what I understand are extremely sparsely populated? last i checked every state has a capital and in those capitals are people that sell PCs. And even in BF nowhere they have Amazon, yes? Here ya go, $106 and free shipping [amazon.com] for a dual core with 2GB of RAM and Win 7.
So I'm sorry but you've run out of nits to pick, getting a functional system with Win 7? REALLY not hard nor expensive. And if they can't afford a single upgrade a decade? then frankly they probably can't afford internet so it doesn't matter if they are on Win98, does it? And if the system is less than 8 years old all they need is Win 7 HP and MAYBE a RAM stick, and that is only if they bought a worst buy special. People forget that 8 years ago was 2006 which means Athlon64 X2, Pentium D and the first Core Duos and most of the systems then came with 2GB of RAM, more than enough to run Win 7 comfortably.
Hell just for shits and giggles I slapped Win 7 onto my 2003 Sempron i used at the shop for a netbox, it had a GB and a half of RAM (cost for the 1GB stick? $8) and all it needed was a graphics card and then only if I wanted Aero, the ancient IGP could go up to 1200x1024 just with the Windows drivers. In fct the only stickler I've seen as far as hardware and Win 7 is some of the ATI IGPs like the X300 that was in the 2006 C2D I recently had...know how much it cost to replace that IGP with an HD2400? $12 with shipping. I ended up selling it to my landlord for $150 off the rent, he does his stock trading on it 6 days a week,purrs like a kitten.
ACs are never seen so don't bother. Always ready to show SJWs for the racists they are.
(Score: 2) by unitron on Monday May 19 2014, @10:42PM
My point is that Craigslist, for local purchases, is only the answer in some communities with a Craigslist site, not all of them.
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(Score: 2) by Hairyfeet on Monday May 19 2014, @11:46PM
And that is why we have Amazon, and Tiger, and Newegg, and Starmicro, and a bazillion other places that sell used PCs and parts friend. The nice thing about Win 7 is if a PC is fast enough to surf the net comfortably? Its fast enough for Windows 7. If the PC was built in the last 8 years? A good 90% of the time all they need is a Win 7 disc and MAYBE $10-$20 worth of RAM. 1GB and 2GB RAM sticks are crazy cheap, a LOT of the mid 00s board would take more RAM than they are rated for, for example I've found most boards rated for 1GB sticks can actually take 2GB sticks, they just didn't have any for testing when the board was released, and even a Pentium D with 2GB of RAM can be a good Windows 7 netbox although naturally I'd recommend a C2D or Athlon64 X2.
So I stick by my original statement, there really is no reason for anybody to be sticking with XP, not when you can often get a better system for around the cost of Win 7 alone or just grab a copy of Win 7 and slap it on.
ACs are never seen so don't bother. Always ready to show SJWs for the racists they are.