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posted by martyb on Saturday August 12 2017, @01:14AM   Printer-friendly
from the what-if-there-were-addons... dept.

Mozilla, the developer of the Firefox web browser and other open source projects, has announced its Mozilla Information Trust Initiative. This initiative involves Mozilla "developing products, research, and communities to battle information pollution and so-called 'fake news' online."

Although the announcement from Mozilla claims that the "spread of misinformation violates nearly every tenet of the Mozilla Manifesto", this initiative does raise some concerning questions. Should a web browser vendor be actively patrolling content on the web? Is such patrolling of content harmful to a truly open web? Is this merely the first step toward web browsers censoring or controlling the dissemination of information available on the web? Would the resources expended on this initiative be better spent improving the performance and efficiency of Firefox?


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  • (Score: 4, Troll) by jmorris on Saturday August 12 2017, @01:26AM (14 children)

    by jmorris (4844) on Saturday August 12 2017, @01:26AM (#552675)

    This is a demonstration of the Impossibility of Social Justice Convergence. The more an organization is infected with Social Justice Warriors the more the resources of the organization shift to Social Justice to the exclusion of whatever original purpose the organization had. Eventually the goals of the organization formally change. We now see this terminal stage in Moz Corp. They aren't very interested in building a better browser since that doesn't advance the cause of Social Justice.

    No, they will not change course, no they can't be saved. History records no organization that recovered from an infection of SJWs.

    Any organization not explicitly and constitutionally
    right-wing will sooner or later become left-wing.
      -- Robert Conquest’s 2nd Law of politics

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  • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 12 2017, @01:39AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 12 2017, @01:39AM (#552682)

    How much longer will Mozilla survive? I recall them signing a 5 year search deal with Yahoo at the end of 2014. So they've only got a couple more years left on that. Is Yahoo in a position to continue that deal? I'm not sure, but I'd be skeptical, especially with Firefox's share of the market down into the low single digits now. Will Google sign another deal with them? I doubt that that would happen. So I'm skeptical that they'll have a source of funding by early 2020. None of their other projects have made much of a splash. Firefox OS and Persona went nowhere. Rust and Servo seem to have stalled. Thunderbird and SeaMonkey are slowly dying off. Bugzilla is pretty much dead. Things aren't looking good for Firefox, especially with the WebExtensions stuff that's coming up. At this point I'm feeling very uneasy about Mozilla's future. I don't think that this initiative will help out at all, too!

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 12 2017, @01:45AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 12 2017, @01:45AM (#552684)

    I think that this is even worse than the "moz://a" branding idiocy. I didn't think we'd see anything dumber than that, but I think this might just be something dumber!

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 12 2017, @12:32PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 12 2017, @12:32PM (#552828)

      I think that this is even worse than the "moz://a" branding idiocy. I didn't think we'd see anything dumber than that...

      Then you clearly didn't see the alternative logos that were suggested at the time.

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 12 2017, @02:09AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 12 2017, @02:09AM (#552698)

    [The Encryption! It does nothing!] Begin report to Central Hive Mind, Social Justice Warrior Special jmorris Elite Monitoring Team. He's on to us! Repeat!! We have been detected! jmorris can see us, in normal light wavelengths, and has uncovered teh Mozilla Operation! Evasive Maneuver Pattern Janeway Delta!! *^$%

      Second in command, here. Leader has been given a sedative. Please disregard his report, as it is obviously incorrect. jmorris could not possibly have detected us, because we do not exist, and there is no such thing as a SJW, they only exist in the minds of nearly insane right-wing nut-job crack-pots, like jmorris. We will continue to monitor the subject. Lt. Francis, SJWSjEMT, [Encryption not required, since we do not exist.]

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 12 2017, @02:12AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 12 2017, @02:12AM (#552700)

      Huh???

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 12 2017, @07:14AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 12 2017, @07:14AM (#552787)

        [ n\\\ f\crption ztemmp on agaaaaaain] Second in command, still in command, Special Social Justice Warrior Surveillance Squad, reporting to Big Giant Head. We found another one. Start tracking this AC by his IP address, the MAC address of his modem, or other internet device, or from Microsoft's generous and expansive database of ACs who post on SoylentNews. His naivete does make him a potential target for Radicalization. Soon he could believe that being a racist, sexist, homophobic ass is actually how either Moses/Jesus/or Mohammed wants him to live his live. But really, this is only because his response to jmorris being tagged, is "huh?" What kind of idiot responds to the SJW Special Squad monitoring jmorris with "Huh?"? I feel his mind going. "Daisy, daisy, tell me your feelings true. I'm half crazy, sniffing the jmorris glue!" These are the ones we have to watch out for, the young, the naive, the disenfranchised, the mighty buzzards. Further reports will be made once the commanding officer regains consciousness. Lt. Francis saying: don't touch my stuff, or I will kill you. [ntp////: overtime iuptime code rejected, insecure]

  • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Saturday August 12 2017, @02:47PM (7 children)

    by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Saturday August 12 2017, @02:47PM (#552858) Homepage Journal

    The more an organization is infected with Social Justice Warriors

    Why are you against Justice?

    --
    mcgrewbooks.com mcgrew.info nooze.org
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 12 2017, @04:04PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 12 2017, @04:04PM (#552881)

      Cause then he would have to get along with trannies, non-white people, and all sorts of "deplorables" that remind him of his "personal demons".

      • (Score: 2) by chromas on Saturday August 12 2017, @11:06PM

        by chromas (34) Subscriber Badge on Saturday August 12 2017, @11:06PM (#553019) Journal

        Wait but Deplorables are all non-minority wypipo.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by jmorris on Saturday August 12 2017, @09:43PM (4 children)

      by jmorris (4844) on Saturday August 12 2017, @09:43PM (#552982)

      Justice != Social Justice, they are almost antonyms in fact. When you are Rewarded and punished for what you do or do not you are receiving justice, Social Justice is rewarding and punishing you based on what you based on the unchangeable things that you ARE.

      I'd like to recommend you read Dr. Sowell's The Quest for Cosmic Justice (no link, no endorsement of one retailer over another. Pick your preferred vendor and format. And can I put in a plug here for checking your public library for a copy? K, PSA done.) It is a short read and you won't be confused anymore about these issues afterward.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 13 2017, @12:07PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 13 2017, @12:07PM (#553199)

        And I recommend you Dr. Adolf's Mein Kampf. It's the favorite of RWNJs everywhere.

      • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Sunday August 13 2017, @05:26PM (2 children)

        by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Sunday August 13 2017, @05:26PM (#553308) Homepage Journal

        Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] gives a good explanation. Social justice is not punishing someone because of what they have no control of. Saying "social justice" is the exact opposite is like calling homosexuals "gay"; half have attempted suicide and that sure doesn't sound very happy and carefree to me.

        When you use a word like "social justice" make sure it means what you think it means.

        --
        mcgrewbooks.com mcgrew.info nooze.org
        • (Score: 2) by jmorris on Monday August 14 2017, @12:40AM (1 child)

          by jmorris (4844) on Monday August 14 2017, @12:40AM (#553408)

          The Three Laws of SJW:

          1. SJWs Always Lie

          2. SJWs Always Double Down

          3. SJWs Always Project

          Wikipedia is a totally converged institution so you are reading what the SJWs proclaim their external definition of the term to be. But they always lie so ignore what they say and look at what they do. What they do is identity politics, affirmative action, bigotry based on race, gender, national origin, religion, politics, etc. They want to reward / punish based on what you are, agreeing with them gets you some points but rapidly decreasing of late.

          And even the propaganda at Wikipedia gives a lotof hints as to the politics it is associated with. Bentham is the proto Prog Burke faced off against, Rawls is a Communist. The U.N. is a Parliament of Tyrants, mostly of the Communist bent. The Methodist Church was part of the "Social Gospel" movement which was clearly a Communist front and I don't think I'm saying anything controversial if I say the Catholic Church has fallen when they elect a Red Pope. The See Also section is a rogues gallery of bad ideas and institutions.

          • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Monday August 14 2017, @02:10PM

            by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Monday August 14 2017, @02:10PM (#553669) Homepage Journal

            Wikipedia gives the same definition as Google. And with #1, are you suggesting that out Liar in Chief is a SJW?? It looks to me that you're talking about the alt-righ, not the SJWs.

            --
            mcgrewbooks.com mcgrew.info nooze.org